Never thought a social media platform to become pay to win. I've been following a lot of French riots related news and Twitter literally locked me out for an entire day when this policy came into effect. Truly the worst downgrade in social media history.
@@CJ-wh7ik 600 actually* Have you ever used Twitter btw?? In this new policy even scrolling past tweets count as reading and it doesn't even take 10 minutes to scroll through a 300 tweets. Twitter is still the best platform for news and stuff.
@@CJ-wh7ikwhat a dumb statement, literally any tweet that you scroll past is counted as a “view” and the app thinks you read the tweet even when you didn’t. 10 minutes of scrolling is enough to hit the limit even when you only actually engaged with a few tweets
the best part of this is that twitter refused to pay google for their cloud services yesterday, meaning that the reason behind the rate limit is because they didn't have time to move all of their storage somewhere else before their deal expired lol
Another twitter addict pretending they are somehow morally correct and objectively superior about something they literally have no clue about because they don't like the fact they can't suckle on twitter's teat all day for a little bit. 5
This year is basically a contest for who can fumble the bag the most between twitter, reddit, and twitch. The fact these companies can still be at the top despite throwing is insane.
Not really, it's easy to understand, simply because of lack of proper competition Even if you don't like it, you are still forced to use it because of its popularity and sway
You forgot RU-vid as well. Their demonetizing spree has ruined and pissed off a lot of content creators. Probably not as bad as the rest but everyone seems to be getting in on the fail train.
@@Gamespud94That isn't really throwing, though. The viewers aren't effected, small creators aren't noticed, and big creators do RU-vid as a job so they probably won't leave. While it's bad, it doesn't really impact people in charge of the site in any major way.
@@Heretowatchvideos123Tumblr? it's chill compared to before but I haven't seen people talking about that site with their algorithm and Instagram is in between with theirs.
Sucks for people who use it as part of their job or business, or who want to keep up with big current events, or disaster warnings and response. If this system had been in place during the Turkiye earthquake thousands more people would have died. It also sucks for the Blue paypigs because it severely limits the forced audience they spent money for.
@@Js-eq7yd Power users is not meant as a degrading term, which is why Charlie explicitly mentioned them as separate from "actual hard addicts". There are people whose lives and jobs are wholly dependent on Twitter's existence and free usability.
This is a huge problem for the National Weather Service Twitter. They litterally sometimes put out more than 6000 watches and warnings. He is limiting the ability for people to get (moist)critical info about bad and dangerous weather situations
@burp2019 when it comes to emergency services, any little bit helps. It's why a lot of emergency broadcasts have social media channels on nearly every big site. To catch anyone that just happens to be scrolling.
I cannot think of anything more self-sabotaging than keeping social media users from seeing posts. Think about it, this includes advertising, and you're keeping users from seeing and clicking on those ads. That's Twitter's main revenue source and crippling it even temporarily will seriously impact their revenue.
@@charliepremostudios8869 Netflix gets most of their money from subscriptions, not advertisements. Twitter on the other hand has very few incentives to want to be subscribed, and doesn't make enough from it's subscribers to cover costs.
@@danielfernandez3511if you just leave Netflix on, it kills their bandwidth. It's costly. Hence, they ask if you're still watching. Twitter is doing similar. They'll adjust the post count to figure out what works. But Netflix does the same thing.
Instagram does the same damn thing. Been doing it for years. I don't have an insta so anytime I try to see something, I get about 10 seconds before being asked to login
APIs were supposed to be the solution to the data scraping problem: by reducing server load. The problem is that Elon raised API prices FAR above the cost to provide the service: so people are falling back to old-fashioned scraping methods. I heard that Twitter broke a web hosting contract with Google on June 30th. THAT is why they are rate-limiting so aggressively.
I'm a web dev and i was gonna go on another rant about twitter, but it feels like beating a dead bird at this point. You don't even need to try that hard to scrape. When twitter loads a web page it tells your browser to make an api request that has all the data for the page (as opposed to server side rendering which just gives you the page with the data). So if you want to search for something and scrape the results, you can just get everything in a clean json that's always formatted the same with the same request as easy as the api. So elon is basically saying "stop scraping data" and at the same time it's super easy to scrape data. These feel like problems I would be dealing with if I had a website blow up, not a multi billion dollar corporation. Oh wait he fired everyone.
I love that all these big tech companies are downright competing to see who dies first and hardest: Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, and Twitch. We truly are living in the best timeline.
They’re all learning that massive amounts of users doesn’t necessarily mean profit. It’s like the gold rush in the fact that the only people making money are the ones selling tools (the cloud server providers)
Charlie equating the average twitter user's addiction to the platform to Bane's perpetual need for the venom to fill his lungs with tubes was so on point.
I like the cheese analogy.. I imagine a sewer full of rats and someone races a cheese block through it with a racing drone, watching the tidal wave of rats following and scurrying through the tunnels, racing to get the inevitable "impossible cheese"
Jesus. So stop using Twitter. It’s an annoying, hateful website of the second worst people on earth after TikTok. Just leave it and literally none of this matters.
@@xdCoolesding The problem is that bots make up a big chunk of the platform population, and advertisers don't want to waste money advertising to robots that won't buy their product. Musk's goal is to eliminate the majority of bots on the platform.
Could this be a symptom not just of Musk's Stupidity, but of an impossible dilemma. If bots roam platforms to an undesirabe degree, can you stop them? I don't care for the reason why, maybe it is advertisement loss, maybe it is a DDOS-like strain on their servers, or maybe it will be bots pretening to be humans and crowding us out. If only restrictions like these can 'fix' the issue, but make a platform unusable as some say, could we be seeing some websites built for us unable to exist in a world with bots? And so platforms will die. It would be a first instance of losing a part of our human world beecause bots exist.
The limits and restrictions on logging in is really bad for emergency situations. During the bushfires in australia the alerts were going through twitter on what areas had to be evacuated immediately and whether you needed an evac plan if you were close to a fire
For myself and a couple of my friends, the change where you can't even view a tweet without logging in was the nail in the coffin for us because we only even briefly visited via other sites. The actual scroll limits don't even matter. I can proudly say that I probably haven't even hit that 300 post limit since Twitter came out.
@@sikozen he already didn’t use the app itself it and announced that accessing it isn’t even a consideration now with the login requirement from clicking a link from another site. He can’t quit what he doesn’t “use.”
Fun fact: your own tweets (as in your own profile page) count toward the rate limit, and reloading a tweet and its responses all count toward it as well. It's not even a matter of tweets you actually scroll to, it include tweets that are loaded ahead of time of scrolling.
Yeah this is kinda messed up but people underestimate how much 300 tweets are. That's easily 2 hours worth of reading tweets. If you pay for the checkmark, aside from being a clown you can now read for an entire day. The only thing this does is help stop bots, however the execution is kinda wack rn
@@1tubaxyou fail to see though that those aren’t just tweets. Let’s say you open a tweet real quick? All the replies loaded below, let’s say 50 or so mean you just used up 51 even though you didn’t scroll down. And that’s not even your full feed loading which even if you go to search and don’t even touch the feed the app opened you still got all those posts taken away from your numbers.
I was forced to create a twitter account because of the “only logged-in users can see tweets” policy so I could view information relevant to my job, and the day after I made my account, the rate limit was introduced. I’m taking this as a sign to stay off this site as much as possible.
That's why this is so f***** up. Twitter was reported on with links to official statements from politicians and companies.... But now like the New York times and any other online website is going to have to avoid using Twitter links. So probably have to start relying on screenshots or paraphrasing or just direct quoting with no links. This is going to result in a huge decrease in institutional reliance on Twitter. It won't happen overnight but this is not going to work out
So your company uses Twitter for official work updates and information. That’s a terrible idea. What happens if Twitter goes offline, TikTok company updates.
@@johnathanhaggard5647 The only problem with that theory is that it does not explain why he is still trying to keep up appearances. Why not just shut it down if that is the real goal?
It doesn't matter if it's temporary because now we all know he's willing to do something this radical and stupid. Any business that continues to depend on this as a serious part of their future is asking for trouble. Any community that is trying to build something inside the walls of Twitter is done. I mean even if he didn't impose this limit, the very fact that he limited the ability for non-accounts to read a solitary link to tweet would be a huge scandal in and of its own right
right because people in the past have had great success posting on sites like facebook that is filled with bots and only used by boomers, or youtube and old twitter where one political side was censored to oblivion. "Twitter is dying!" say people who dislike twitter
What is with this reaction? Do you seriously not get how fucking bad data scraping is? If we had an action that would inconvenience the average person but could immediately stop climate change while we find a more workable solution wouldn't you think that's a good idea?
The part of this that annoys me the most is that the promoted tweets (the ads) are going to count. So having an ad every 3 tweets makes it so you have so many less to view
I love the Elon Musk Fanboys one week he's a genius and the next week they're mad at him PFFFFFFFTBWUHAHAHAHA At this rate it's going to take him 50 years to break even from buying it
@@thecloneguyzhe will never break even. He will run twitter into the ground, and have wasted 50 billion dollars. And for this, he is a genuine hero. I hope he buys reddit next.
I entirely agree with Charlie at around 5:25 every poor decision twitter makes essentially effects artists, small businesses, and journalists the most, aside from Twitter employees themselves of course.
@@CathrineMacNiel Your smug reply makes no sense. Why would you opt to buy a domain, subscribe to a hosting service, maintain the site, pay for the database, and buy ads with unacceptable click-conversion rates when you can ride on the coattails of a platform that can deliver your content to a curated demographic? Not to mention that your site would be decentralized from other social media, so your users would need to create accounts on your random site just to engage with your content. That just doesn’t work for smaller artists. If smaller content creators struggle to keep their Discord servers alive, try to convince me they can sustain a community on a self-hosted blog.
@@UsernameUsername0000exactly! A lot of people rely on Twitter for work, including people that I watch on yt, and there aren't many good replacements for all their supporters to now move to that has the same functions.
Someone on tumblr commented that when they resurrected their old account, they where shocked to see the amount of likes and re-blogs they had accrued in the four years they had been gone. I get that Twitter was the replacement but tumblr genuinely has better interactions and click through then Twitter. Especially now with the Twitter/Reddit refugees that came over
@@marcosramirez2278 I agree. And so many people say they feel worse after being on twitter as people can be very toxic and/or extreme, so it would definitely be good in that sense.
As for the "twitter is the only platform that could pull off [required login for viewing content]" part - I'm pretty sure Pinterest and Instagram have always done something like that.
Yeah, those three have as long as I can remember, required you to log in after a couple of minutes/posts viewed on their site. So this new login change honestly isn’t much different from what existed earlier on Twitter. Then you could see about 3 posts before being forced to log in.
As a young teen I used to get so excited about the idea of going to space, and Elon Musk’s Mars Colony was like a dream come true for that little guy. But now as I get older I realize how dystopian and horrible it would be. Renting oxygen cans for $20 a minute. Housing where the lights only run for 15 minute intervals. I should have realized Red Faction was warning me
Not to mention Mars colonization is borderline impossible. The horrendous radiation and temperature changes would mean you would have to love your entire life underground, and the lower gravity would destroy your bones in a few years at most. Elon never tells people the scientific reality because he doesn't understand science at all, he's a marketing guy not a genius inventor.
Trying to a colonize a planet that God didn't create to be colonized is just a grand way to get humbled. The Titanic was a very strong ship, nothing could of have gone wrong. Then they said God couldn't sink it.
Honestly i don't think so. There was an early experiment for that almost 15 years ago called fotolog. You were able to upload 1 photo per day and if you payed the subscription, it went up to 6. It had it's initial succes, that it lasted until a free platform took over (facebook) and it literally died in 1 or 2 years. I imagine with the state of the internet today, if twitter were to implement this for more than 1 month or 2 there will be no user left on the platform. The only place where this works is in gacha games or things like that, were you have a limited quantity of things you can do per day to get rewards, and it works because usually there's other things to do in the game or they are mobile games not meant to be played more than 1 hour or 2 per day.
I think it's more than just data scraping. Last I knew they were also refusing to pay a big Google contract for server infrastructure that would kick them off some services at the end of June. I know they were trying to move stuff off that infrastructure but massively behind schedule. Seems more likely that it's to prevent complete failure while they try to fix that stuff and Elon is pushing the blame off on data scraping to look better than "hey we didn't pay our contract and now the platform is crumbling"
You’ve obviously never used RU-vid for anything other than entertainment. The amount of sneaky shadow bans I’ve been hit with is nothing short of criminal. Meanwhile the dangerous agenda they deem as acceptable flys by unchallenged…
The problem to me is that even if we move to a new site, it's unlikely for any new social media site to have just as much international reach as twitter does. I follow lots of Japanese accounts, so even if all English speaking users move to a new site, it's unlikely that the Japanese accounts I follow will move to the same place.
Yeah I mean, Twitter has built itself over more than a decade right? So any site that might replace it will likely take several years to build itself up to a similar level
Considering that most people refuse to buy blue checks he is going to kill the platform. I would love to see how he explains this to his remaining advertisers that are going to lose a ton of potential views.
@@PepsiMagt I have to assume that he is a Douglas Adams fan lol. He was already doing that stuff before, paying several billions over valuation was truly bizarre!
it actually can go even faster because it also counts replies as posts. Meaning if you do click on a tweet that has a large number of replies, it throws them in, then you go back to your home, oh also it counts YOUR OWN POSTS too. Even stupider is the fact that when you hit that limit, the browser keeps trying to grab new tweets anyways. In fact it is spamming the servers with requests, meaning they're practically DDOSing themselves too. It's absolutely insane how bad this policy actually is.
I stopped using Twitter, Instagram and Snapchat; and now I feel happier without the negativity of social media fueling my insecurities. I urge people to try it out, even if it’s temporary and I hope it helps with everyone’s mental health.
Thats great, but a lot of people use twitter for their job, or to follow big current events, or for disaster warnings and response. Scrolling through a few reply threads to gauge sentiment is 500 views gone.
It's real, I have deactivated all social media accounts, except Twitter since I use twitter to read news, learning and see some drawings from others. I mean people using Twitter are generally smarter than other social media
I wish I can do that but I hardly can get off of social media, even whenever I use social media I feel anxious, when I dont use social media I still feel anxious. I think the only social media(s) that I got rid of last year were snapchat and twitter. I wish I could do the same with tje other two platforms I use since i can see most of my family members on there. But hey good on you.
Wow, we've finally reached the point where social media does NOT allows us to be social anymore. I guess it'd be good for reducing habits and stuffs, but what about artists and creators there, it'll limit them like crazy.
Yes, I know they can always move somewhere else like most of my pals did. Doesn't change the fact that Twitter is one of the most well-known, and where most default'd when talking about international reach. The websites and platforms y'all mentioned may be available and leagues better than Twitter, but if they have no reach (especially the smaller, local-reliant one where I had most friends with) then it wouldn't matter. Also didnt change the fact that they're contradicting themselves for being a social media, still.
I’ve always been really happy Twitter forces you to log in to view posts. That extra step allows me to realize I don’t care enough and I usually go do something else more productive
Twitter has been struggling for a while now but this is probably the nail in the coffin. What advertiser is going to want to pay for ads that wont get seen due to limits? Its like Elon saw Reddit's mistake and wanted to outdo it.
Your comment proves you don't know what you're talking about. You're not going to be paying if you aren't getting impressions / clicks. You don't pay for advertisements on the internet the same way that you pay for an ad to be on a billboard. Unless it's a static website and you're paying to put an old-school banner up..
@@mitchell10394 actually he does, if twitter completely blocks all access to the feed after the limit there would be a downtime between when the feed is down to when the daily limit is replenished where ad companies can not run ads and make money. Why continue to do buisness with a social media that hard limits your profitability that way? The literal point of advertising is getting your product/service seen by as many people as possible, limiting the possible outreach literally screws over the whole premise of advertising to begin with.
It might encourage advertiser's to pay for ads assuming more money = more impressions. Many companies will compete for the decreased number of time for each user. I hope I'm getting my point across, sorry for any confusion.
I find it so funny how he kept on increasing the numbers, gave a “no wait please come back” vibe. Also so concerned on how little thought was put into this change, and the changes in general.
How little thought? Motherfucker even I thought the numbers were ok and use Twitter daily. The only people seriously effected by 600 tweets daily are severely addicted to the platform
This was Elon's best move so far. Twitter blue subscribers literally paid to be seen, even if they won't admit it, and now nobody can see them. It's perfection.
Let's just be happy that app is dying. It has contributed absolutely nothing to my life since elon took over. He clearly pushes a bunch of political BS as well which makes the app and its degenerate users even more annoying. Like the "for you" page is supposed to be in theory for you. Yet all it has is everything you dont want to see - politics. Plus he says he wants freedom of speech but bans words like "cis". Either ban all "slurs" or ban none. You cant just ban some slurs and leave others. Like i have no problem than he is a conservative but as twitter's owner, he should be making more neutral decisions that benefit everyone.
It took me three hours of screen time on my phone before I got limited as a non verified user. These fucking clowns crying about rate limits after browsing for what, 15 minutes? These people out here are actually insane.
@@Ahhahhhsiisisso what your saying is people like Charlie and some of most famous celebrities on the planet who use Twitter to promote their content shouldn’t be able to use it to promote their content?
The greatest loss is honestly for the artists that I see there. As an occasional artist on Twitter, this really is going to affect us a lot because of the rate limit exceeding. There are other platforms, yes, but its harder. Not only thing but I do use the platform to be aware of certain incidents that are occurring in real time (fires, shootings, etc.) Yes people spend a lot of time on Twitter, but there are certain downsides to this new change.
Maybe that Federated thing would be a good idea. Somebody makes one geared towards artists and comments. Get feedback from a bunch of artists in a beta to tweak the design, release the source code so artists if they choose can run their own instance/a group can run an instance so even if the core one goes insane, they can just jettison connections from it and keep posting to their own instance...
Another twitter addict pretending they are somehow morally correct and objectively superior about something they literally have no clue about because they don't like the fact they can't suckle on twitter's teat all day for a little bit. 4
This has to be the most ret*rded thing they've done. "Never go full ret*ard!" I still can't believe they didn't realize "maybe this is not such a good idea," and rolled it back. People are pissed. If people don't leave now, then when? It's unusable. Most people are not going to pay.
there is actually no mainstream social media that is welcoming for artists anymore, I don't want to just isolate myself amongst other artists on tumblr
The absolute irony that this went live the exact day I decided to search artists to order a commission. I barely ever use twitter, but I wanted to buy art and hit the limit before I could decide who to contact.
@@Drak976lots of people use twitter to build an audience for their art and do commissions, and a lot of people find good artists to follow and buy from on there
Twitter addicts will just make new accounts to bypass the limit. This is the same thing with Reddit, when subs blacked out or did the stupid john oliver stuff the users didn't leave the site, the people that said they'd leave the site when the 3rd party apps were disabled, guess where the are? Still on reddit. It takes people who are addicted a strong will to quit their addiction and let's be honest, losers on the internet are not that strong willed.
its gonna be worse than reddittors tryna be Rick Sanchez irl but end up being massive Jerry losers. now we will have ppl imagining an entire conversation in their alternate reality and be mad at nothing and screaming at us like a gf whos bf cheated on her in her dream
I feel super bad for artists, twitter has been really the only good platform for so many people not because its a peerless product, but because it is global and universal. This may finally be what forces me off the hellhole that is twitter, I just wished a suitable alternative existed and I will certainly miss alot of content I enjoy.
Ive deleted twitter but for the 2 years i was on the app i rarely came across artists. I didn't even know that it was a primary place for artists to post their work.
@@MbappeDaGoat nsfw artists, and also sfw artists used twitter as a main way for both just engagement with community, getting more fans, and also selling art, this going down is crazy for people who have drawing or selling art as a secondary source of income, and they'd need to switch to shit like deviant art lol
I don’t feel bad, I don’t use Twitter and never will. It’s filled with cancer and idiots. I hope it stays this way and inevitably dies like it should have ages ago.
@@MbappeDaGoat most artist (i think) are from anime and game fanbases. i follow a lot of genshin, star rail and anime content and i come across at least 15 artists a day.
I only have my Twt account to talk with my artist friends, and dedicate my account to retweeting Blaziken fanart (plus my personal stuff like my own art and laughing at people, but that’s 10% of it). This rate limiting thing is kinda destroying the point, even if it was temporary. I'll have to get my friends onto other places we can communicate more often.
I feel bad for artists and small business but there HAS to be an alternative site for artists to get traction eventually. Twitter is such a bad space to showcase and archive art for people but for some god foresaken reason it's become the most successful one. Tumblr shooting itself in the foot continues to be the worst thing to happen to the internet.
Tumblr was a hellscape hahaha. So was twitter when activists ran it and subsidized it. You give up way too much using those services. Way too much. Eventually I imagine Elon will get twitter heading in the right direction. Making it profitable outside of just storing and selling all our data is a good first step
Sadly there's a reason for that and it is pretty easy to understand: twitter wasn't a platform for art. That was it's strongest point. You didn't needed to like art and go out of your way to find it, so that made a lot of people who usually wouldn't look for art find it by "accident" (either some friend retweeted it or something), and attract people more easily. I myself like art but the only real way i find it is through scrolling in instagram, i liked one image an then boom, i found 30 more artist, but i very very rarely would go out of my way to a different platform just to look art for myself.
@@matiasd5226the OG art website used to be tumblr before like 2017… then after tumblr died it was like divided between instagram and twitter but now Elon is killing twt and ig is actively trying to suppress artists by getting rid of the recent posts tab for hashtags and pretty much only investing in reels.
@@jjongjjongiefan7324Imma let u artists in on a little secret Tumblr isn’t dead We all just told y’all it was dead so the redditors and twitter users would stay out, but if plenty of artists do commissions on Tumblr
@@sweethysteria8737 Ahahahaha I was wondering if anyone was going to point out the obvious. No no no sweety you probably make actual wholesome art. These people are trying to sell their nsfw furry smut. That's why all the redditors and twitter users are gone. If I just started naming some of the r/subreddits youtube would delete my account again for saying gross stuff.
Apart from artists and content creators getting screwed over by this update, archiving tweets will also become a hassle. The public profile change on Twitter completely broke the ability to web archive tweets or Twitter profiles due to needing to be logged into an account, which means the only way we can archive tweets from now on would be through screenshots, and we already know how easily that can get out of hand.
Yeah that was also another huge downside to their API restrictions. Like it or not Twitter was a huge research tool for academics and people writing thesis on social media. I actually did my grad school project on the impact of websites like Twitter on the Arab spring. I would not be able to reliably do something like that in 2023. I would have had to cancel my thesis in the middle of it or something
@@michaelcorcoran8768 And the company should care because? Not to mention the academics used it for propaganda so you already lost all public sympathy.
The "not logging in" part is going to be the nail in the coffin, i genuinely believe this. This hurts social and government services in the US like the National Weather Service, any Parks Department announcements regarding fires or National Park visits, emergency broadcast news, etc. It affects state and federal representatives trying to get announcements out to the people quickly. It affects announcements about campaign results for those who aren't subscribed to something like the New York Times. This actually even affects newspapers and news orgs like NYT, WaPo, Fox, CNN, BBC, and a myriad of other international news outlets. I don't think Twitter has this luxury like you say they do.
It's hilarious how quickly Zuckerberg announced his own alternative to Twitter the minute Elon made that tweet, it's as if he had it ready for a while and was just waiting for the perfect time lol
This is unsurprisingly consistent with everything Elon's done at Twitter. Yes these are real issues he's trying to solve, but the solutions are so laughably bad it's destroying the platform completely
Elon should have hired professionals and have them help him make these decisions And not do them by him self And if he is getting help the helpers are probably not good at their job
I think the roughest part is: You can get news through twitter faster and better and some people who live in more oppressive countries CAN get news that isn’t government controlled. Just sad seeing a platform that does have good things with it, get ran to the ground because Elon assumed running a social media platform was gonna be easy.
Agreed. It's absurd how fast this platform that, while stupid sometimes, can provide important information as it comes out, is being killed because a rich man child thought "yeah I can totally run this gigantic social media platform better than the current owners." Despite the fact that he has no fucking experience.
Seeing a lot of comments about artists, creators and news outlets and just wanted to add that this will be disastrous for activists too. A lot of campaign information is shared via twitter, and a lot of activists use (or used..) twitter because the censorship on twitter differed greatly to the censorship on other apps. I worry what will happen to activists living in countries where it is hard to get mainstream media coverage of what goes on in their country, and when it does, it's because twitter and other social platforms have highlighted the issue. I have also seen a lot of local activism and people sharing their own stories on twitter because mainstream media won't cover it. It could harm freedom of speech and allow mainstream media and news to control what we see
Ehhh, i don't know. A lot of very radical stupid people gather up on twitter and do stupid shit. See Germany and "The last Generation". Basically, a bunch of dumbass kids, who are very worried about climate change cry on twitter every day about this and that. They gahter up for protests on twitter and then glue themselves on very used roads in cities and such. Basically blocking everyone for some attention
It’s not even about being addicted. As an artist I love seeing other artists work, but you scroll thro so much unnecessary tweets until you find artwork you looking for. And it’s even worse for artists who are trying to grow…
@@BfkcjscbsnjcNo, you are not making the art so you're not the artist, tho if you use AI for reference and help in drawing your own pieces, then yes you are an artist, it really boils down to if YOU drew it, then you're the artist
@@JoaoJogaOfc So a farmer who drives a gps tractor isn't a farmer? @aust So you go and look at hundreds if not thousands of pieces of art for inspiration and then draw something? Funny you guys told me it's wrong to do that. I find it so funny the smug elite who thought the plumber and electricians were going to replaced are the first ones to go. The artists the doctors the lawyers those are all anachronisms now. Joao You're not actually writing because you're not carving your words into a Sumerian clay tablet. See I can make arbitrary rules up too.
He’s helping Macron censor dissent to stifle mobilisation in France. Twitter will be back to normal once things have died. Only last month Elon similarly helped Erdogan in Turkey with censorship of dissent before election.
But if there’s a max exodus, it’s doom for other SM sites as Reddit and Twitter Brain rots flock to their sites. Remember when Tumblr had its exodus? Yeah I want to forget too.
Thank you for mentioning how this could negatively affect artists. While I think Twitter is awful and more people could stand to stfu while on the platform, it still provides easy access to independent artists, new and young entrepreneurs, self-owned businesses, real-time news and reactions, and much more. To limit MOST users to only view 600 (to 1K) posts a day is like saying "You're not allowed to access these things until you pay for my imploding website that everyone hates".
600 is a lot man Edit: this was commented before I heard the part about scrolling, I was under the impression it was clicking into them, which would have been reasonable.
@@Mariwend The thing is that Twitter counts retweets and comments as "posts". So if you're like me and follow a bunch of people who also follow each other and see the same post retweeted like 5 times, each of those retweets counts as a unique post. Or if you like to read comments then you'll burn through that count really quickly. So "600 posts" is actually a lot less than you'd think with that context.
Honestly if Twitter is ending, i will really miss the artists that i am following, they all have unique art styles and i just dont know if i will ever find them again
@@Punchmadedev. hating what ?????? No one here is hating on anything. We are lamenting that we might not be able to see art from our favourites. Not everything is an attack.
it's so funny bc i wanted to start posting my art on Twitter and this happens lol and at the same time it's like damn, literally every page that works for artists ends up dying in some way or another
It's literally gonna kill the site. Like I was so confused when it stopped letting me see new tweets after like 2 minutes then I found out about that and I'm just done
People say they are happy about this but you need to remember that these people will go somewhere once twitter is dead and its a scary thought that they might ruin a app completely as they did with twitter.
They also may be leaving reddit 😵💫 so add in that to people fleeing to elsewhere. however, there are aspects of Twitter that encouraged some crap behavior that may not be the same on other platforms
the only solace is that those absolute freaks hopefully wont find a community to contribute to rotting the brains of everyone they come into contact with because all existing communities will deservedly shun them. hopefully, they never find each other again as they have on twitter and learn how to do basic socialisation again but thats incredibly wishful
I just read a theory about what's _actually_ going on that makes sense: Twitter tried to do something stupid with their API, they messed it up in a way that will take days, so Elon is doing this new "You can only read 600 posts a day" thing as a cover, and he'll say "After hearing your feedback, we've reversed the policy" when it's fixed.
""After hearing your feedback, we've reversed the policy" when it's fixed" Why would he need to say that? He can just say "the problem is fixed", he implies there is a problem where people are abusing the site, he also says it's temporary. It's obviously gonna go back to normal, that's what temporary means. This is clearly not gonna be the new normal for twitter, pulling 300 comments is something that can be done extremely quickly. It doesn't have to be comments you read, it could be from you scrolling your home feed. You could speedrun it in less than a minute.
@@Death-999 I might be also reading the first part of your comment wrong but I don't think "when it's fixed" is part of the quote, its just "After hearing your feedback, we've reversed the policy"
Elon is doing everything except banning the child p0rn on his website. I haven't seen it but a few people have on their timeline. One of the reasons i deleted the app along with the random politics on the for you page
It's worth noting that: 1) Most of the top trafficked websites have things against data scraping. But sensible systems, like Google, just throttle users that are searching multiple times a second. 2) 6-10k is still low for people that need to use it for their jobs. Things like journalists for example, can, and have, easily broken past that. 3) You mentioned that Twitter is strange in being able to survive without signing in, but its worth noting that like most of Twitter traffic comes from people not signed into an account. Its actually really big part in why it struggles with ad money in ways others do not (since targeted adds aren't as good on Twitter). 4) There is some evidence that forcing people to logged in caused Twitter to break many bots into effectively DDOSing them by mistake, and that is the "real" reason behind this.
@@WarGhoulKharas For things like the Prigozhin situation, Twitter translators of Russian were where you would get breaking news of what was happening. In general, its useful for coagulating things like that. I say this as someone who hates Twitter and very rarely uses it.
@@brothebys Journalists regularly get notified about major things initially from Twitter. For a recent example, Prigozhin attempted coup's last week. Twitter accounts regularly recapped Russian language social media posts, and for anyone following event, was the best place to get the news, which was several hours ahead of media outlets. Not everything that happens has a proper journalist on site at the time the event is unfolded, and in these cases, social media tends to be ahead of the news.
The number 1 feature, hands down, on dating apps is that you have a finite number of likes per day. Otherwise those things would be crack cocaine. Whatever executive thought it would be a good idea for the free version to limit the addictiveness should be fired and given a Nobel prize.
This isn’t to combat data scraping. This is to combat automated tools. For example, tools that delete tweets. Each month, you get access to 3600 tweets in your history. You can no longer delete 3600 in a single go. You could also delete more than this with certain types of automation, but this is now extremely limited. So accounts looking to delete hundreds of thousands of tweets in their history can no longer do it in sweeping changes using automated tools. This is not to combat bots or third party use of the data. This is to stop the bleeding of users.
This is absolutely terrible for twitter artists, without a proper platform like twitter to grow their audience and share their art on, it will be so much more difficult doing art for a living.
@@hoze1235he overestimated the building process of a single rocket ship And that did not account for launching calculation and landing calculations and preparation
I've only ever used twitter for breaking news. Not being able to see tweets without registering is ridiclous. It should be some kind of option users can select on their own (although why would they limit their audience like that?) I expect a lot more companies to use their own websites or another site for breaking announcements, such as local emergencies.
@@TheDankFarmer how does what Twitter is doing atm actually help stop data scraping? I'm genuinely curious bc idk much about this (and benefiting subscribed twitter users does seem kind of convenient for the platform in terms of profits)
12:22 there is a solution that doesn’t nuke the whole platform: Step 1: do require the account sign-in; Step 2: calculate the rate at which human users stop to read tweets VS the rate at which they’re shown (there is zero chance that a human will read every tweet, but a scraper bot will probably read most/all tweets displayed to it); if an account reads every tweet and at a rate that far exceeds the rate at which a human can read them, it’s a bot. - Twitter does already collect data on whether tweets are shown or interacted with as part of their advertiser-side analytics. - once potential bot accounts have been identified, they can be blocked (subject to appeal). Twitter is unlikely to do this of course as blocking scrapers certainly looks like a smokescreen for forcing people to pay money.
truly love not being able to message or look at tweets or post tweets or look at other people’s accounts or look at posts comments… truly a twitter experience
as a former heroin addict, I totally agree with the idea of twitter being super addictive. I was never on the platform but I did use other social media, and the dopamine hit you get from chasing Likes is almost identical to the rush of taking a shot. it’s def not as intense, but you’re also not doing dope dozens to hundreds to thousands of times per day… so it’s like a quantity-over-quality equivalent
Same with Instagram. You can't watch more than like 5 posts or so without being logged in. Not like this is a new concept from twitter, Instagram has done it for years.
I work as a meteorologist at an emergency management company and Musk's solution to data scrapping has practically killed my ability to use TweetDeck to gather the last-breaking hazardous weather info. I've found that Twitter has often been the best place the gather the latest updates on products and discussions issued by government agencies, local broadcast meteorologists, and storm reports from the general public and weather spotters. Such was the case just a few days ago when a derecho (a long-lived and powerful thunderstorm wind event) ripped across parts of Illinois and Indiana. Now when I try to use TweetDeck, I can only use it for maybe a few minutes, if at all, before I become rate-limited. As with the case of limiting of automated accounts, many of which government and media use to quickly relay life-saving weather info, Twitter under Musk's leadership has spent no time considering the practical considerations of how a wide variety of people use this platform when they make these sweeping decisions.
@@holup9073 he’s literally talking about his own job, that requires going outside lol. Did you even bother to read or do you just repeat the same words like an automated machine?
Twitter would have advertising contracts based on amount of traffic they get, and this will drastically effect this. I wonder how many of those companies are going to pull out or even take some sort of legal action.
@@KayJay940even if a double digit percentage of the site was bots, that still leaves the VAST majority of the international users as potential buyers for the advertisers.
@@ilovecoffeev political ads are what sets the price becaue that is what you competing against. And they will outspend you. Just to outspend you. Seems easier to just ban politicsl ads if your goal is fair pricing.
the fact is that even if its only around for even a week that could kill the platform. I left reddit when the strikes happened and found an actual postive impact on my life and do not plan on going back I'm sure for many twitter users that hit the limit they could feel the same thing
I can't imagine scrolling reddit for hours. I use reddit for three things; porn, really niche subreddits sorted by best of all time, and really specific questions.
We had an earthquake near midnight in my area a few months ago, and when I went to see what had happened nobody had even got onto reporting on it yet. Even on a major site dedicated to reporting earthquakes the wasn't any reports yet. Twitter doing this makes similar situations even worse as lots of people won't be able to get news about the event.
The fact that you have to pay to still be limited is crazy to me. "Here's a product that you have access to through you paying money... but we are still restricting your account because we have too many issues that we can't solve. Thanks for the money tho!" I have never liked Twitter, and I don't have an account, but like from a business perspective, imagine if Netflix said "no, you only get to watch 10 episodes and/or 2 movies in a given day. 1 movie = 5 episodes" they would lose all of their subscribers...
Been using Twitter to post my art and keep in touch with friends. Part of that art includes a comic I've been working on since 2020 when I was in the deepest depression period after being discovered a congenital heart problem which required open heart surgery. Been doing that comic as therapy and share the work on Twitter for feedback, meet new people and engage in conversation. Had to make a new Tumblr account but reach there is really bad and don't want to go back to Deviantart; and Reddit doesn't give me confidence because, well, it's Reddit. The internet is so ridiculously volatile nowadays and really not seeing a proper solution.
@@TheDankFarmer lmfaooo i wonder if the starving children in ethiopia are worried about the volatile landscape of social media. Or i wonder if the congolese people under king leopolds rule were worried about volatile internet. they may have been more worried about amputated body parts but thats anyones guess man
Local government Emergency warnings & police reports issued on Twitter now not being seen by most people ( I know Twitter isn't exactly an ideal outlet for emergency information, but often updates on power outages & natural disaster warnings are surprisingly a popular way of getting information out to the local public) is a certified Musk moment. Fuck no I'm not gonna sign up for Twitter. I'll ride my motorcycle through another hurricane in Florida before i register for Twitter.
Real question is what are artists trying to build an audiance supposed to do now? As bad as Twitter is it is still the best place to grow as an independent creator
If Twitter actually dies, then whatever the #2 option right now is will become the #1 option and people will just move there. It's not that big of a deal. It's how Twitter became #1 itself when Tumblr went down.
this has been like my continuing concern. twitter has by far been the most successful ive been at building an audience online and theres really not any alternative for artists especially nsfw ones who cant fall back on tumblr.
It's crazy how many companies are trying to run themselves into the ground. So much that we're now getting new sites that might actually replace them. Rumble for RU-vid, Kick for Twitch, and now people on Twitter are talking about moving to Spoutible. It kinda feels weird... Like is this how the last generation felt when MySpace got replaced with Facebook?
We didn't really care because we were outside, talking to people with our mouths, drinking at parties, having sex and going on adventures. Give it a go mate.
Yeah, it's kind of how I used to have a Kmart and Food Lion around me and now I only ever see Walmarts and Kroger's. Probably just because things change over time.
@@SleevesAnarchy No no, only he goes out and hangs out with his friends. He's so special and quirky! He must have lots and lots of sex, of course when he isn't watching his red pill playlist.
Here's the thing, with this limit, twitter has also started to push unfollowed/uninterested tweets up your nose instead of showing tweets from people you follow. That means, that by the time i stop telling the damned thing that im not interested in this bs tweet, i get the "time's up" stick handed to me. i hope twitter dies as a platform. i will miss my football updates, especially live updates, but i don't get to see them either way, so...
I joined Twitter for late night hockey games and niche sports info. It was awesome for that and I am genuinely sad to lose the fun community I had on there. Ugh, even if it isn’t life changing or anything.
@@lookforward2life ugh, right? i feel you. It was truly awesome for the second-by-second live game updates. And mind you, not every Bayern match is telecast, so that was my only source. Recently i was unable to catch any of their game updates as well as Germany's games. It's just sad.. There's so much discussion to be had but all i get is some US right-wing schit thrown at my face. And the "following" tab no longer gives live updates either. All the stale 3 days ago tweets surface up...
@@kashty024 Switching to "Following" turns off the live tweet updates. So tweets from 3 days ago and mostly idiotic retweets from people i follow, surface up. This means, certainly live game updates.
I feel like the one thing that I haven’t heard anyone talk about yet is the good uses of data scraping. In some of my data classes we used Twitter API to scrape and do research in an academic sense. Same thing with Reddit’s API
Here's the thing. Social media is powered by advertising. Yes Twitter now has it's Twitter Blue revenue, but the majority of their finance will still be coming from ads. To show ads, you need to keep people on platform. That's why RU-vid, Insta, TikTok etc are all designed to be addictive, because the longer you can keep someone on platform, the longer you can serve them ads. So what Twitter is doing here is applying a cap on how long it can hold a user, how engaged they can keep said user, and how much money they make. A completely artificial cap. Well done.
I could care less for all the random bits of normal "social media" on it, but it's genuinely horrible what's going to happen to artists if that guy doesn't stop this nonsense. Alternative sites exist, but none of them are quite the same as what twitter offers right now, not to mention just how many artists there are that have random names like xleralkjsafdjl91 who you might never find again if the site collapses. Then again, just last week we saw another great example of just how open these rich guys are to suggestions against self destructive practices so it's pretty hard to hope he even remotely listens to anyone at all.
thing is, i follow less than 40 people on twitter and i was given the rate limit message mere minutes after opening the app this morning, it’s just completely broken
Considering this is temporary I'm pretty sure what I heard that Twitter hasn't paid their server fees or some shit and it's fucking up the website so he's making some bullshit excuse to make it seem intentional seems pretty believable. Or maybe Elon is just actually brain dead idk.
Some of the artists I follow are at least moving their art to other sites like pixiv and Instagram, but they can't easily share their works like they could on twitter. Seeing their art gives me some joy in my daily life and this change is not doing them any good
I'm sure they'll go back to twitter when this is fixed, Elon says it's temporary. But it's a good idea for people that create content to have accounts on multiple sites and ensure their fans know about them, for moments just like this or if they are unfairly banned from a site.
It amazes me how they keep destroying a platform with every single change they make. The first step was when they decided to show "relevant tweets" as the main page for new users, that's when I realized the platform was starting to die because they were basically killing any new or low followed users from growing. But at least money wasn't as heavily involved in it as now with Elon. Ever since he bought the company it's been a constant meme. Between the disgusting monetization of everything while getting nothing of actual value in return for your money, to now limiting the tweets you can view in order to fight some scummy bots... I mean, it was easy to predict that a multimillionaire egotistic would kill the platform, but he's managing to do it in ways we weren't expecting.
@@Cameron00lol it was crumbling before he bought it. It was almost entirely subsidized by activists to control information. He’s actually kept it going longer than it was going to naturally and it’s starting to become monetarily viable. If he can get it to function well and have a decent profit we will be thankful because there aren’t that many places left that aren’t heavily activist/ politically controlled.
I’m torn between being glad that people are getting forced off Twitter and being disappointed that people can’t keep up with important news updates around the world. The sharing of information is important for a multitude of reasons.
goddamn you are not cool or unique for thinking “this is kind of a good thing”. people will just fill their time with other inane nonsense. people are so averse to admitting they like twitter they will make themselves look like even bigger losers defending themselves from the possibility someone thinks they like twitter wholeheartedly.
