Is Valencia Doomed? 

Hey Z! Valencia season ticket holder here, and Big fan of the Channel. Thank you for letting the world know about our current situation, these are sad days for a club that is more than 100 years old. Love from Spain

I had to give this a thumbs up simply for the consistent Voro interludes. 😂

Voro is like that one substitute teacher you’ve had at every grade level

Valencia hired Gary Neville as Manager, the biggest crime of them all.

How sad, I'm in year 6 of my FM22 save as Valencia, Lims out and we finally moved into the new finished ground. I much prefer my fantasy save over this reality.

Thanks for talking about the situation of the club I support. During this last 10 years, we have been subjected to constant suffering due to the chaotic decisions that Peter Lim has taken.

Ever since I went to Valencia 2018, I fell in love with the city and the club, I literally learned everything I could about them, visited the stadium, and adopted them as my Spanish team. So yeah, seeing what's happened to them makes me very upset and angered that Tebas (the utter prick) hasn't stepped in to do something about his pillaging of the club. How can you fire a great coach like Marcelino and basically force Parejo to leave on a free? A bullshit state of affairs for such a great club.

Loved Valencia back in the David Villa, Baraja, Mata, David Silva, Ayala era.

Dani Parejo was a sad story. They made him to Villarreal of all places. Talents like Lee Kang-in were let go, too. It's because of stories like this, that the Bundesliga has the 50+1 rule.

As a long time Valencia fan, what the club've gone through in recent years breaks my heart.

American who fell in love with this club when they had villa and Silva. No idea situation was this bad. Hoping for the best!

Thanks for the video, however I think you missed one of the most important parts of the story, which is the influence of agent Jorge Mendes on the club's downfall. He is Lim's friend and he often shows how much control he has over the transfer policy or even the club's structure, you only have to check transfermarkt to see the amount of players brought in and sold by Mendes and his associates, sometimes even ignoring failed medical tests just to get that millionaire commision. Mendes also gives advice to Lim on how to handle the situation inside the club and it is very likely that he was behind Marcelino and Mateu Alemany's (who is now a hero at Barça) firing due to them not wanting to sign some players they were told to. Now it seems like Lim just wants to destroy the club out of pure resentment, as he decided to end a champions league project losing hundreds of millions of euros and does not want to invest in the club either. Also, former president Anil Murthy was an alcoholic that ridiculised the club in front of other presidents countless times.

Valencia before Simeone's arrival they had the 3rd highest point tally of all time in la Liga. Since the 2000s, 2 LaLigas, 2 Champions League finals (1 lost in penalties to Bayern), won the UEFA Cup (Liga+UEFA double), a few Copas del Rey and a regular in European competitions. For a short while Valencia felt like a more attractive option for some players than Barcelona to sign to, having World Class players, but during Mourinho-Guardiola era it felt like they had cemented themself as a valid 3rd place team, as financial issues ramped up, creating a "stagnation" that led to title races being a thing of the past. It kind of reminded me of the Dortmund or Schalke of the Bundesliga, I just hope it doesnt follow through with going down like Schalke did... They had a stadium being built that would have 72k capacity to capitalise on their success and massive fanbase but its been paralised since 2009 half way through the build. Now there is talks of downgrading its design and capacity by like 10-15k and remove the plans for an underground parking lot (which makes the project feel kind of redundant) just to continue the build because obvious the city council has complained about the massive ruins of cement in middle of the beautiful city... An interesting Story is that the Prince of Johor, who basically created the most successful football team in Malaysia and is close to Peter Lim, showed repeated serious intentions of BUYING the club off Lim, watching matches at the stadium and posting about the legacy, history of the club, how beautiful the city is and how he would like to contribute to its success on his Instagram. However, after talks with Lim, the posibility of the takeover seemed to have vanished out of nowhere, either because of the incredibly strict Financial regulations imposed in LaLiga on clubs, making spending very restrictive, specially if these clubs are managing a debt, such as Barcelona or Valencia; or because he was straight up rejected by Lim because he refused to let go of "his asset". I guess thats what the Worst Owners possible for almost 10 years, bad owners prior to Lim, bad dealing with debt plus other financial issues and HORRIBLY intrusive punishing LaLiga financial restrictions by Tebas does to a club that could and should 100% be in Atletico Madrid's position competing alongside them :(

Singaporean here. Maybe just an explanation on how most bosses here behave ... Or maybe not. His daughter's messages showed how they think. "We are the bosses. We do what we want, because we are rich (and you are not)." Literally "why people cannot understand that WE ARE THE OWNERS". They literally think that just because of this, they can do anything they want, and yet when consequences hit, they dodged them with more scapegoats ... And when there are scapegoats, it is never their fault. "The entire world is wrong, I am right." The frightening part about this ironically funny statement is how the local bosses really believe so. So, a few comments here on how Peter Lim would keep the club purely out of spite at this point is true. Deep sigh ... 😮‍💨

Before trying to buy Valencia, he tried to buy Porto. Looks like they dodged a big bullet

Interesting to note, Peter Lim owns half of Salford City, so he appointed his own minority owner as the manager at Valencia

showing the Bremen relegation at the end... That hurt. I still remember when Werder played Valencia in the UCL KO stage. My father should still have a custom matchday hat, one side was the VCF logo, the other SVW logo. Good times, good times....

Just give voro the job at this point

So you're saying Valencia as my next save 🤔 I love these behind the scenes stories, things I'd otherwise never know about but do find very interesting.

Remember a Valencia team with: Santiago Cañizares, Roberto Ayala, Carlos Marchena, David Albelda, Miguel Ángel Angulo, Vicente, Aimar, David Villa. Such a fun save in the CM/FM earlier era.

As a Singaporean i say he aint really liked here either. Valencia was just used as his backup plan when it was reported Liverpool was Lim only one club he wanted and he did Bid before FSG bought liverpool. He isnt a football fan just a dude looking to make investments.

Feel very sorry for Valencia I’m an Everton and we are in the same struggle we will succeed and I love this Voro fella

I think a lot of football fans don’t realise quite what a huge football club Valencia are. I remember growing up watching them win La Liga, make back-to-back Champions League finals and have legendary players like Canizares, Mendieta, Aimar... Mestalla is an iconic stadium too and absolutely on my bucket list. Hope they can survive and get back to where they belong. 🦇

Message of the video : Find someone who wants to invest his time and life in you like Voro in Valencia

i´m sitting here in germany and wondering how many of these foreign clubs in the big leagues actually have barcelona level debts. man i´m glad our clubs are at least "somewhat" required to have a balanced budged.

Zealand has just made me have another favorite manager VORO

Peter Lim main reason to buy Valencia was also rumoured to be property development, Thats why he tried to build a new stadium but then it fell through because of commercial rights or not being viable anymore

I miss the old Valencia what a great squad was that! With the likes of Albelda, Canizares, Baraja, what an awesome team was that. And what an awesome jerseys! I miss those days , same for Deportivo !

Sad to hear a club who produced such youth talents like David Sliva and Isco are suffering like this 😢

as a Singaporean - and someone who had a soft spot for Valenica (supports Newcastle, hence the Rafa link is there) its really sad to see Peter Lim destroying this club.. honestly he isnt highly regarded here in SG.. but his PR game is very "good"

The Daughters attitude says A LOT.

Voro is a legend.

hey zealand, i'm a young guy from Valencia who has 16 years old. I love my Valencia and I love your channel too. Also, I have the season pass al,ost 12 years. This singapore man is gonna destroy our club, I go on every riot and every video or montage that pepople do about the situation of the club calms me down, and it helps in a big part for giving visibilsation to the club situation. Thanks!!!!!!!!

Valencia getting relegated would be shocking! Never seen them get relegated in 33 years ive watched La Liga. Its literally Spains 4th biggest club historically 1. Real Madrid 2. Barcelona 3. Atletico Madrid They were a consistent top 4 to top 6 team for multiple decades and competed for the title more than a dozen times. Has literally the 4th biggest fan base in Spain after the big 3. This team should be competing for top 4 every season with Sevilla generally. What a shame and literally a wasted opportunity for such a big club. Hopefully they get new owners who care and can turn it around and make it again what it once was a competing side in La Liga against the big 3 and a threat on the European stage in CL & EL like it use to be. It has the history the fan base to be able to retain this stature again.

Things have never been right since Neville was manager! 😂

I love these informative real life football videos

The thing is, not only Parejo and Coquelin left for free, they joined the rival club Vila-real and went on to win the Europa League for them.

So sad to see Valencia at this situation, my favourite spanish team

I know how it feels for Valencia fans with me being a Sunderland fan with our debt hope yous get your ownership sorted out like we did with a promising future and many young players and a great owner❤❤

always admired Valencia from back in the day when they had the likes of mendieta and aimar tearing it up for them and their imposing stadium, such a shame

as someone from valencia, and a valencia supporter, I just want to cry😭😭😭😭😭

Non Valencia fan but as a football fan in general I love videos like this. Perfect while playing away on fm23.

Oh My God, the longer this video progressed, the more horrific the facts and state of a venerable club made clear. Much sympathy all you Valencia fans commenting here and those in Spain. Courage!

Thanks for my new save idea, Z and Valencia Fan! I'll get it sorted don't worry

Deportivo, Malaga & Valencia well on the way down, what a mess Spain is in

So, Marcelino spoke out and got fired after winning a trophy. I was about to compare that to 1998, when Jupp Heynckes won the UCL and still got fired by Real Madrid after only a season.

There is only one solution: Loans, loans, gotta get loans🎶

As a long life supporter since I was a very small lad, it pains me to see my club suffer this much 😢

Voro..... *Guitar Riff*

If he doesn't have the financial muscle to own the football team, AND he hasn't visited for 4 years, why not just sell?

The blood is on the hands of Peter Lim & Jorge Mendes

He actually invested in Valencia with loans, both money and players(look it up) to make it a bit worse. Salvo the current president at the time said that the only other bid that was serious other than the "Russian Maffia"(quote) and bids like that, was Wanda who is a serious player that has invested in Atletico Madrid and owns like 30% shares there I believe. Palm oil was actually something new to me, he might need to use some in that face because his skin looks like he had a meeting with Pinhead in Hellraiser or something. Also a tip for the daughter and probably next Director of Football. He refused to congratulate Marcelino and the rest of the squad when winning CdR which, money-wise, doesn't mean anything but for a supporter it meant everything after 10 years or so. So he did congratulate him(I doubt it) when qualifying for CL, but refused to do the same to the squad and coach when winning the cup. Then Marcelino never asked, or Alemany, for big signings just players he worked with in the past - not Mendes puppies and complete third wheels. Talk about striking luck like winning the lottery with that Palm-oil investment almost like Bitcoin back in the day. Zero understanding about Football, fincances - originally the son of a fisherman and he should have stuck to fish, palm-oil and at the best polishing shoes. Edit: Let me add what an impressive explanation of "what happened", you nailed it. And love the **TUKKITUUUUUUUU** "Voro"!

Deportivo LaCoruna relegation broke my hart..it is my favourite club from Spain by far..Valencia is second..poor management, shady purchase by cardboard billionaires takes the joy of watching your favourite team..win or loose at least if the club have a well managed portfolio and money they could be saved or saved themselves from relegation..i hope in my life time to see Super Depor back in La Liga..

LOVE the Beerschot kit

Making Zoro my assistant after this, I'll be in good hands if I'm fired

Another club destroyed with the help of Jorge Mendes. As a Portuguese, I despise him and I hope he ends up in jail one day. And for those who praise him, should really investigate for what he truly represents.

Valencia even let Kang-in Lee go, the Valencian most prominent youth at the time, just for free who's now playing in Mallorca RCD. Mallorca is now in mid-table, avoiding relegation. Valencia's dumb management, dumb transfer deals, dumb attitude toward fans, would lead the club no where but relegation

Peter Lim, best friend of the class of '92

Hey Z! Valencia fan here. Thank you for this video

as a valencia fan this breaks my heart

Peter Lim has put Valencia in the bin

That's sad. I'm brazilian and Valencia is my favorite club in Europe.

All I'm saying is this is the main fault of Javier Tebas. La Liga's president, as rather than helping a club in crisis such as Valencia, he's targeting another club in financial ruin Barcelona, not for the good of La Liga, but because he's a Real Madrid fan. And we wonder why La Liga is not the best right now, blame him.

Complete shadow of the former club, they have had some insanely good players over the years, Vicente, David Villa, David Silva, Kluivert and way more

Top bit of sports journalism. Fair, balanced and with footnotes. And you don’t get cool Voro graphics on BBC Sport

I hope not, not a Valencia fan but I hope they can stay in the top flight of Spanish futbol!

My beloved valencia may go down, but i will go down with them 😊

I didn't click on this video the other day assuming it was a crypto advert. Then I noticed Zealand underneath and instantly watched.

I've been talking about this for over 5 years and finally someone noticed

it's the Camp 'Now' - I live in Catalonia so that's definitely correct

You know it's bad when even Voro can't turn things around.

On behalf of Singapore, I would like to apologise to all Valencia CF fans for having to put up with this shitshow of an owner. It's sad enough that our national team and domestic league are laughably bad, and then to have this guy's name and reputation associated with our little country on the global stage... 😭

Lads I think I know the solution. Bring in Voro *guitar riff*

Hi Z. The solution to the problems at Valencia I think can be found ironically on this channel in your Toulouse moneyball video. Imagine if they adopt that method towards recruiting?

Thanks for the video 🥺

This is why La Liga has a wage cap rule nowadays. It's to stop clubs from going bankrupt.

I like the voro joke and what a legend this guy is. I do have kind of a history with valencia, as a kid i was a bayern fan of course i remember the cl final from 2001. Since that game, i respected valencia as a hard working fighter club, because that was what they were doing, and it is sad that all is going down hill. This club is an important part of football history and I hope it will go upwards some day again.

Z I'm loving this direction man

Valencia's supporters have always been too demanding. I remember them booing the team during the Emery years after finishing 4th in the table every season. They genuinely thought they were contenders for the title. But nowadays after the disaster of the Lim ownership I think it's the first time that they are right with their protests. I don't know if they'll be able to avoid the relegation but it could potentially be the death of the club.

Peter Lim is also part of the Salford team

On another point, I think there are serious questions that have to be asked about Nou Mestalla. Firstly, they poured this concrete superstructure 15 years ago. What condition is it in and is it safe to continue? Secondly, why was it built in the style it was? This reinforced concrete structure was old-fashioned 15 years ago, now it's positively ancient. Most a built with steel frames and lightweight materials wherever possible. Thirdly, how much would it cost to finish this stadium? Might it be better to raze what they have and build a more modern structure?

Awewome videos lately Z

Sad. Valencia was my go to team on Sensi World of Soccer (ask your grandparents kids)

3rd biggest club in Spain. Multiple Champions League finalists. La Liga titles won less than 20 years ago! It's just ridiculous how badly this has turned out. Surely there's an investor out there that can try and rescue this club?

Great video Zealand. Would love to see you do more videos on La Liga

Seems like Real Madrid are the only ones doing well financially in Spain

From back-to-back CL finals, winning UEFA Cup, Primera and Copa Del Rey to this shit... So depressing.

IS THAT ANOTHER BELGIAN KIT??? I LOVE YOU BALD Z, now please buy an OH Leuven kit (or two!) and wear it.

Deportivo was also a Mendes-club signing all his client at a high cost there. Monaco and St. Petersburg were also Mendes-Clubs until they both nearly got relegated. Lim does not run the club it is Jorge Mendes who influences him tbh.

Rafeal benitez valencia team was brilliant, hope they get back to those days again.

Really sad to hear, imagine a club with over 100 years of rich history just on this downwards spiral because businessmen owners can’t deal with the way of football. The sport is definitely being ruined by rich guys who just want some more fame by owning something they dont know how to take care of.

Amazing feed bro👏

Voro for the 4286th time: ah shit, here we go again...

I pray Yunus Musah can make a big move to somewhere in France or Germany.

This will be a very good football manager save next season, if they still exist that is.

I wonder how many managers are still getting paid by Valencia given that they change manager every few months or so.

Good luck Valencia hope you get an owner who can clear the debts for you

If Javier Tebas approves, it's doomed.Think that man as the Spanish Darth Sidious

Loving the celtic top in the background. 🍀

I went to a match once and I love the club it’s so sad what’s happened to them