His early game damage has always been good. His ult cc immunity is very useful too. I still think he is a very good mage. And he can also use 1 or defensive items depending on the game.
ive been solo pushing rank with valir and hes still pretty solid, being one of the few mages that can defend themselves properly and he can even get defense items, being ice queen wand and glowing wand his core items(u can also give concentrated energy if u want for that extra health and lifesteal)
His popularity isn't decreasing because of the NERF of ice queen wand it's because of the reworked rafa which completely make any slow dependent heros useless
valir is pretty solid against fighter/tank type of core with no cc immune like martis (alpha, balmond) + set-type tank (khufra, atlas), everyone on the front line will just get pushed back and slowly bbq'ed to death, tank items can also be used on valir if there are burst heroes along with the lineup
The 12th Day hoping that you keep taking care of yourself and having fun during all your matched Betosky! Also Thanks for all your vids and hopefully you can go back to showing all 3 builds so we can use it as a reference for different situations.
He's the hero that i ban every time. Nerf or not still annoying AF. Regular ban on my server are mostly Xborg,Alpha,Martis,valir(obviously),Yin and Nolan for some reason. If you have any questions for some of these bans..... you're welcome to ask my random teammates
The main bans for mine are always Xborg, Martis, Mathilda, Angela, Estes pretty often, Nolan unless my team has 1st pick and the enemy doesn't ban, Wanwan, sometimes alpha
Hey Beto, would you mind doing a lil tier list? But....not a full one. Sorta. I wanna see picks n counters tier list vs one hitters, and tanky comps. Maybe healers too. If I'm playing ranked solo, I prefer to let others pick first, but there are still a lot of heroes idk yet.
Hey beto,you should highlight more about this 0:19. About how last pick oftenly a absolute counter,how last pick was a guarenteed win. Enemies were no ideas you about to counter their compositions
Valir is a great pick for solo queue because assassins aren't as effective as tanks/fighters in jungler role, and you rarely see an opponent picking Rafaela who is perform well against Valir.
In high rank getting close enough to perform a basic attack just for an extra slow will place you in unnecessary risk. Besides, you could just get either a fully defensive item or damage item instead of thunderbelt. Item slots and build order are extremely valuable
Even before his buff, I would use him in the rank (that time Valir wasn't ban yet) then after his buff, he got ban in draft pick making it difficult for me to use.
Valir is one of the strongest hero at lv 1, I get 1st blood w/ him a lot, and strong against comps with a lot of frontline heroes. And you can build utility or defensive items after his core items
Valir is a good counter for bulky heroes like fighter hyper, tank n exp later, but super hard when it comes to assassin or dashing hyper like yss, first skill gonna land perfectly or else it’s gone
I agree that he’s great against a tanky compo but even though I’m a valir main, I enjoy supports more in the current meta. I’m also planning to change my play style of him
Valir is only slightly nerfed by the ice queen wand. He can still stack the slow easily. What i hate is the item now nerf on mages without burn effects like cyclops cuz the 1st and 2nd skill damage so fast so can only trigger 1 stack of slow due to the cooldown while valir can still stack slow easily. Wish they change the cooldown so that the slow does not trigger on valir's passive burn effect
Yes it's doesn't affect him too much he is a good hero against tanky and Melee heroes and even mm suffer a lot if he build tanky then everyone begs for mercy
I think you should try another game, since the lineup is too favorable for Valir in this vid. You were able to keep spamming in backline uncontested, this won't happen in 90% of matches. If you encounter any backline assassins, burst heroes(as you mentioned), or rafaela you'll understand why no one is picking valir anymore. And you can't really choose last as Valir to make sure you get the best lineup everytime since there are way higher priority heroes than him.
I totally agreed, most of the time an annoying hero (moving or cc based) is there waiting to eat valir in the bush (with 1btn=1kill hero) cause he is really slow to deal dmg, and if u miss 2 fireball u end up being useless.
Meet Valir, who unironically uses Ice and Fire items for his builds despite being more Fire and Arcane (which is Enchanted Talisman or Concentrated Energy)
I think the nerf on icequeen wand was mor of a nerf for beginner Valir players, because then it’s easier to hit multiple times, but the true quality of valir is his zoning potential by having constant pressure on the enemies. Anyway I think you should definitely try Benedetta at some point. Right now she‘s an absolute monster because of her mobility, high damage and high spellvamp if built correctly. She even has enough burst damage to seriously contest her ultimate counterpart uranus (apart from minsi). And her kit even allows her to build full damage because of her immunities. It‘s not easy to master her but once you get the hang of her skills she can kill the enemies Backline before they can react. Corrosion synthe is obviously her core item but I love playing around with endless battle, because it provides some Regen and additional true damage so you can kill anybody who fights you. I think she does best on exp lane but jungle is also fine now because her first skill got several buffs. Fun fact: endless battle triggers on every charged autoattack meaning you can even kill tanks decently if you do a hit and run strat
The nerf on ice queen wand does have nothing to do with Valir's decline in popularity since the 1 sec cd can be covered by his passive flame on enemy. It's rafaela's slow immunity which can render slow amplifying heroes useless. Eg; Valir, Lylia, Yve.
As an Odette main, I really don't have any problems with Valir as an opponent even in mythic and up lobbies, but there are definitely those who knows how to play him well and I just get EATEN, especially those who are well protected by their roam 😭
I still use him after these current fighter meta, seeing Barats, Freya, Fredrinn, Harith dominates the Jungle, I started to use valir against them and pretty much we win if I have correct spacing and distance, I'm currently at 95matches with 70% wr this season
I just finished a Valir rank game and when I actually picked Valir our jungler really said "valir will carry" and he wasn't kidding at all 😂😂 same as beto here tho, I was lucky I had a good tank following me around 👏🏻
You know, you should've tanked a bit for Brody at bot lane when Brody was about to die and you were at full HP at the moment. 7:14 Thank god Brody didn't die though.
tbh he's still a really good mage like betosky said against tank heroes like hylos and Baxia but once I see a voir in the enemy compo I pick rapha instantly.
He is still good, i think he is still useful in early game and team engagement Other burst mage kinda falls down when the enemy have anti magic damage item, but valir doesnt have that issue
@@janinebelleestrada7096 Hey! I didn't mention but whenever valir is taken I would go joy. Ofc its a death trap if enemy picks valir after joy pick haha.
Everday i wake up to see a notification that beto uploaded a new video. Im not even joking, he is the only mlbb content creator i wait for (i do watch others like hoon, mobazane, general, shinmen, elgin and hororo but not as excited as i am for beto). Im glad that his teachings really made me improve. Thank you beto.. Keep up the good work.❤
Do u know how we feel when u play as a tanky roamer (masha in precise) and u are 2v4 they destroying your inhibitor and the tank decides to go in on them to cc while u have no damage at all and wont wait for teammates to spawn in and then blame u bec u didnt go and die with him? (Actually i won this match building tank masha with one attack speed item was a good call for me ult deals hella of a damge and if not dead i can keep poking them with sprint to kill their damage dealers and run away)
He's not that bad himself he's good with offense and defense and is a nightmare to immobile heroes and has a debuff to counter tanks trying to ambush him
Kinda Miss Playing ML after i Quit ML there's a lot of changes in this game, I wish these game never be abandoned in this coming December Bring back memories.
Try vainglory, better moba of all time with touch gameplay, camera to get vision in bush, and block to counter great dmg dealer, so satisfying to play. After u play it, all moba are just trash. I play ML for so long, and every time they bring a new hero I'm disappointed cause they balance the game with their foot, and u don't have any effective equipment to really counter them.
as a mage main, who loved to play heroes like Yve, Valir, lylia and all those kinds Iam sad Ice queen wand got nerfed. not only is my favorite "mage" selena bad because she cant cleae waves, now they also nerfed 80% of my strong secondairy's. and I know valir is still strong, but Iam just alittle sad theh nerfed my favorite item in the game. since for my other maim Carmilla, if I dont go tank with her I alao used to love building ice queen wand... that wont help amymore
