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1. "so he did not open his mouth" - meaning He didn't oppose his accusers in the Sanhendrin and the Roman court, not that he was silent for the rest of his life 2. "he shall see his seed" - here I am, halleluHu 3. "he shall prolong his days" - He is risen!
@@Im_Sanenough What's this conspiracy theory about John? Jesus talks with Pilate in John if that's what you mean. What I mean is he's not making a case why he should be let go. Even in the Sanhendrin He answers one question, but such that he is condemned rather than freed. Peace of the Prince of Peace be with you.
“Your father Abraham rejoiced as he looked forward to my coming. He saw it and was glad.” The people said, “You aren't even fifty years old. How can you say you have seen Abraham?” Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I AM!” At that point they picked up stones to throw at him. But Jesus was hidden from them and left the Temple. John 8:56-59 It was now winter, and Jesus was in Jerusalem at the time of Hanukkah, the Festival of Dedication. He was in the Temple, walking through the section known as Solomon's Colonnade. The people surrounded him and asked, “How long are you going to keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.” Jesus replied, “I have already told you, and you don't believe me. The proof is the work I do in my Father's name. My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them away from me, for my Father has given them to me, and he is more powerful than anyone else. No one can snatch them from the Father's hand. The Father and I are one.” Once again the people picked up stones to kill him. Jesus said, “At my Father's direction I have done many good works. For which one are you going to stone me?” They replied, “We're stoning you not for any good work, but for blasphemy! You, a mere man, claim to be God.” Jesus replied, “It is written in your own Scriptures that God said to certain leaders of the people, ‘I say, you are gods!’ And you know that the Scriptures cannot be altered. So if those people who received God's message were called ‘gods,’ why do you call it blasphemy when I say, ‘I am the Son of God’? After all, the Father set me apart and sent me into the world. Don't believe me unless I carry out my Father's work. But if I do his work, believe in the evidence of the miraculous works I have done, even if you don't believe me. Then you will know and understand that THE FATHER İS İN ME, AND I AM İN THE FATHER.” Once again they tried to arrest him, but he got away and left them. He went beyond the Jordan River near the place where John was first baptizing and stayed there awhile. And many followed him. “John didn't perform miraculous signs,” they remarked to one another, “but everything he said about this man has come true.” And many who were there believed in Jesus. John 10:22-25, 27-42
@@88BuckMeister read genesis 19 they were angels. Jesus claimed to be existed in God knowledge. There is no question that Jesus figuratively “existed” in Abraham’s time. However, he did not actually physically exist as a person; rather he “existed” in the plan of God. A careful reading of the context of the verse shows that Jesus was speaking of “existing” in God’s foreknowledge. Here is another example where a Prophet existed in the knowledge even before he was born, yet he was not at all Divine, Jeremiah 1:5 - Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you, before you were born I set you apart, I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.” Prophet Muhammad (upon whom be peace and blessings) once said, “I am the seal of the Prophets when Adam was in clay.” Mishkat al-Masabih, Hadith # 6414 Yet, no Muslim claims that the Prophet was divine, the meaning has it in it that even when prophet Adam or Abraham (alayhimussalaam) were present, Jesus (‘Eesa alayhissalaam) and Prophet Muhammad (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) were Decreed to be the Messiah and the Last Prophet in Allah’s plan respectively. Attaching ‘Divinity’ to such statements shall be absurd and meaningless. JESUS(PBUH) is claiming to be genuinely sent from God and His anointed. We are told in the Book of Deuteronomy 18:20 that false prophets must be killed. Jesus is simply claiming his legitimacy in a very clever way. The Jews were so proud that they were the progeny of Abraham, so he (Jesus) hits them where it hurts most. He basically says, “Before Abraham was born into this earthly existence, I was in the knowledge and Will of God. Jesus is saying that since God knew him and made him Christ before the creation of Abraham, he (Jesus) is just as legitimate as Abraham. and plz stop!!! its not i am in exodus 3 14 its i will be "ehyeh asher ehyeh" ehyeh the same word is used in 12th verse and its translated as i will be i dont think using i am statement make him God “I am” in Exodus is actually a mistranslation of the Hebrew text. lets imagine if someone ask ur name and u say i am what i am isnt it seems refusal ? A blind person to whom jesus cured obviously by the will of God acts 2:22 He also used the Term I am John 9:9 So this makes him God? Paul also used the same phrase of himself when he said that he wished all men were as “I am.” (Acts 26:29) . and regarding JOhn 10 30 it is unity in purpose. he literaly denied thier accusation of blasphemy read nxt verses Jesus responded by quoting Psalm 82:6, "Is it not written in your Law, ' you are gods'?" (John 10:34). He was referencing a scripture where God calls certain individuals "gods" because they represented Him. Jesus didn't directly deny their accusation because He was making a point. He was saying, "If the scripture calls certain individuals 'gods' because they represent God, why are you upset when I say I and the Father are one?" He was highlighting their misunderstanding and showing that His unity with the Father was not a claim of divinity but a statement of His divine mission and purpose. read john 17 he said so they(12 disciples) may be one as i and my father are one. how Jesus and father are one? in divinity? so 14 Gods thankyou!!
I can tell you haven’t read your Bible. When you read a book, you don’t jump to the 12th chapter and start reading, do you? Of course not. Doing that it is easy to get trapped into taking things out of context. Read the entire book of Isaiah. It is broken up into four servant songs. It is poetic and God’s servant is painted as a person. Isaiah 53, although seeming to speak of a person, is poetically speaking of the servant. The nation of Israel is referred to as God‘s servant 24 times in Tanakh (your OT). Israel is referred to as God’s servant in many chapters preceding Isaiah 53. One final thought. If you were writing religious propaganda, 50 or 60 years after an event, and you had the Old Testament in front of you, wouldn’t it be easy to create a story and inject Jesus into that story using terminology and incidences of the Old Testament? Of course it would. And in my opinion that’s exactly what the Roman Empire did. Christianity is a created religion, just like the cult of Serapis and other religions that were created by Empires of antiquity. Nobody from the Galillee during antiquity could have dreamt up and written this story. The literacy rate of that area at that time was roughly 5%. Most people couldn’t read or write. It is obvious that the New Testament letters and books were written by the Roman elite at the behest of the Empire’s leaders. To put it in modern terms that you may understand, the Roman Empire was run just like Kim Jong-un runs North Korea. Nothing could be written, promulgated and disseminated without the Empire’s participation and authorization.
@@mnamhie really? Maybe that's why 11 out of 12 Apostles were put to death. You have 9 years. Jesus is coming. We are in the year 1991 of the age of Mashiach. You have at max 9 years to accept the Angel of the Lord, the Messiah/Mashiach Yehoshua of Nazareth, called in the gentile nations Jesus Christ, like Joseph was called in Egypt Zaphnat Panneah. Otherwise you will have no part in the Redemption. The planet will be saved, but you? Open your eyes, your mind and your heart, the final 7 years will serve to this purpose. Soon you will understand, as the prophet Isaiah said, in the chapter 35. 35, not 53. 53 is the First Coming, 35 and 63 is the Second.
Jesus christ isn't god, please don't put the teaching of the sinful churches in the bible, nowhere in the bible where jesus christ himself says i am god or worship me
@@mmmbjnw Jesus Christ IS God, please don't put the teaching of the sinful synagogue o Hasatan in the Bible. The Bible teaches loud and clear that Jesus Christ is the Ancient of Days God from everlasting in the flesh. In fact, it says that any spirit that denies Jesus Christ is God manifested in the flesh is antichrist. Get a clue, noahide.
Rabbi ... How can sinful people collectively serve as a sacrificial lamb in atonement for their own sins?... How can that same sacrificial lamb be unblemished and without sin? As for Jesus not opening his mouth?...That was clearly in reference to the time of His trial and torture.... BEFORE he was ordered crucified.. ... A time when Jesus might have spoken up to profess His innocence, but chose not to, in keeping with prophetic scripture...
Amen we may not agree on whether or not he was Gods son but we can both defend him. And I will stand by your religion as well and fight for you to practice in peace. My God bless you.
He said nothing to stop his crucifixion. It says in many places he allowed himself to put up no defense. Like a lamb to the slaughter. Jesus days are prolonged today in his church n hearts of men
Only when you have an encounter with Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit and He testify’s do you understand the Scriptures just like Paul said who had an encounter with Christ on Damascus He was zealous for the law but Christ Came to preach grace and truth❤🙏🙏❤️
8:31 Rabbi made a good point. Isaiah 53 can be applied to any people of God that suffer. We find support for this interpretation in the Old Testament book of Jeremiah. Prophet Jeremiah faithfully communicated God’s words to the people of Israel, warning them about the impending Babylonian captivity that was sure to come unless they repented. But no one listened to him; he was rejected even by his own family: *“Your relatives, members of your own family- even they have betrayed you” [Jeremiah 12:6]* Jeremiah suffered more than perhaps any other prophet in the Old Testament, as he was whipped and imprisoned: *“They were angry with Jeremiah and had him beaten and imprisoned in the house of Jonathan the secretary, which they had made into a prison.” [Jeremiah 37:15]* Jeremiah seems to quote Isaiah 53 and applies to himself: *Because the Lord revealed their plot to me, I knew it, for at that time he showed me what they were doing. I had been like a gentle lamb led to the slaughter; I did not realize that they had plotted against me, saying, “Let us destroy the tree and its fruit; let us cut him off from the land of the living, that his name be remembered no more.” [Jeremiah 11:18-19]* *He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth. [Isaiah 53:7]* *...For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was stricken. [Isaiah 53:8]*
Jesus is al-lah in quran. Surah 5:17. Jesus is Messiah for Jews nd God for Gentiles. Isaiah 53 :11.. One righteous servant will justify many nd will bear the their iniquities...
no it cannot isiah 53 and the suffering servant is not for israel or a group of peoples at all.it's for one particular servant: isaih 53:10-11 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin, it was the lord's will for Jesus to suffer and God made jesus life an offering for sins as everybody knows.
and isaiah 53:12 because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. that's talking about one particular person one servant . tht's not for israel . judaism from today have denied their messiah so they need to change what moses abraham and all the prophets used to believe in order to keep their religion. logical.
@@KM-leons Muhammad is only man in the history of any prophet who brought such a number of people from polytheists to worship one absolute God. Even many Christians and Jewish scholar admitted it and respect it . About so called follower of Jesus , 3 in 1 ?? Seriously?? By this u insult Jesus and his God and other prophet and yet come and say we experience a good moment?? Seriously 😂. Don't insult anyone.
@@rezzan5r66 It may be true that Muhammed forcibly turned many from polytheism but NOT to true God. He must be a true prophet to do so. He was not. Compare the Bible and Quran ..and Jesus and Muhammed and you will understand why.
Yeshua is one with God, even though He is the Son - because He is God’s RIB, which He sent to join the bride back to the Father (when His side was pierced, water & blood fell to the ground as a blood sacrifice purifying all those who accept Him). God has three parts, which are ONE: Father (Deity), Christ (Body), Ruak (Spirit).
“Jesus responded, “The Scriptures also say, ‘You must not test the Lord your God.’” “Get out of here, Satan,” Jesus told him. “For the Scriptures say, ‘You must worship the Lord your God and serve only him.’ ”” Matthew 4:7, 10 NLT
Jesus summed up the the Law and the prophets in this saying, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your mind, with all your soul and you shall love your neighbor as yourself." If we truly follow this royal law we will ultimately be keeping all God's law. Jesus taught us to love our enemies and to bless those who persecute us. He also taught us to forgive those who sin against us. He taught us to pray to God as our Father. No-one ever spoke like Jesus. No-one laid their life for us like Jesus did. No-one else was raised from death and seen by hundreds of witnesses. He came to show us the way of Eternal life. He said, "But are you not willing to come to Me that you may have life." Faith in Jesus does indeed lead to everlasting life. Faith in Jesus leads to righteousness. Faith in Jesus leads to reconciliation with God. He said, "Repent and believe the good news! The kingdom of heaven is at hand!"
Quran surat 2:42 address the children of Israel to " do not mix truth with falsehood or hide the truth knowingly". But these two are mixing truth with falsehood here .
Isa 53 according to Jewish Theologian Rabbi and scholars said Isa 53 has nothing to do with Jesus . Christian consider Jesus as God and son of God but Isa 53 was talking about HUMAN being SERVANT of God who will have seed children and Jesus has no children . christian bible Isa 53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in ( his death) ; because he had done no violence, neither was my deceit in his mouth. Jewish bible Isa 53:9 And they made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich (his tomb) ; although he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. Christian missionary changed (his tomb o his high places to his death) they corrupted the original Hebrew after translating it to sound like crucifixion !! Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall ( my righteous servant ) justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. ( Jesus for christians was god not servant of God and the verse is taking about servant of God and according to the jew the servant of God is Israel as you read in Isa 41:8 But thou, ( Israel, art my servant, Jacob) whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend. Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he ( shall see his seed,) he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. ( Jesus has no seed because he never got married and he has no children Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; (Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him) in the midst of you , as ye yourselves also know: My Servant means Israel : Isa 41:8 But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend. Isa 41:9 Thou whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called thee from the chief men thereof, and said unto thee, Thou art my servant; I have chosen thee, and not cast thee away. Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. Isa 44:1 Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant; and Israel, whom I have chosen: Isa 44:21 Remember these, O Jacob and Israel; for thou art my servant: I have formed thee; thou art my servant: O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten of me. Isa 45:4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me. Isa 48:20 Go ye forth of Babylon, flee ye from the Chaldeans, with a voice of singing declare ye, tell this, utter it even to the end of the earth; say ye, The LORD hath redeemed his servant Jacob.Hate unbeliever
@@xyz.9140 According to the Jew the Servant means Israel in the Jewish Tanakh Isa 41:8 But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend. Isa 41:9 Thou whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called thee from the chief men thereof, and said unto thee, Thou art my servant; I have chosen thee, and not cast thee away. Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. Isa 44:1 Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant; and Israel, whom I have chosen: Isa 44:21 Remember these, O Jacob and Israel; for thou art my servant: I have formed thee; thou art my servant: O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten of me. Isa 45:4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me. Isa 48:20 Go ye forth of Babylon, flee ye from the Chaldeans, with a voice of singing declare ye, tell this, utter it even to the end of the earth; say ye, The LORD hath redeemed his servant Jacob. Isa 49:3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.
@@MU-we8hz I will speak with you in your own silly logic > Sex in the Bible Incest in the Bible Incest in the Bible. Genesis 4 - story of Cain. Genesis 20:11-12 - Abraham and Sarah. Leviticus 18:6-18 Incest in the Bible. "Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of this mother..." Deuteronomy 27:22 ... incest in the Bible is the one of the son of David, Amnon with his sister Tamar, in 2S.13. The other brother, Absalom, hated Amnon for this incest Incest. Lot have sex with his 2 daughters Genesis 19:32-36 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him Incest Gen 35:22 Reuben son of Jacob make sex to his step mother Incest Gen 38:15-20 Juda make sex to his daughter in law along the road and he get bastard children from her. Holy Sex in the Bible : Eze 16:25 Thou hast built thy high place at every head of the way, and hast made thy beauty to be abhorred, and hast opened thy feet to every one that passed by, and multiplied thy whoredoms. Eze 16:26 Thou hast also committed fornication with the Egyptians thy neighbours, great of flesh; and hast increased thy whoredoms, to provoke me to anger. Words of EVIL or GOD? Eze: 23:3: And they committed whoredoms in Egypt; they committed whoredoms in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, and there they bruised the teats of their virginity. Eze 23:8 Neither left she her whoredoms brought from Egypt: for in her youth they lay with her, and they bruised the breasts of her virginity, and poured their whoredom upon her. A Bible verse about men with donkey-like genitals: Eze: 23:20"There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses Comparing the sister's breasts to the size of the towers Son of songs 8:8 We have a little sister, and she hath no breasts: what shall we do for our sister in the day when she shall be spoken for? Son of songs 8:9 If she be a wall, we will build upon her a palace of silver: and if she be a door, we will inclose her with boards of cedar. And later about the sister. Song of Songs 8:10” I am a wall and my breasts are like towers. Thus I have become in his eyes like one bringing contentment. X-Rated Pornography in the Bible Song of Songs 4:5 "Your two breasts are like two fawns, like twin fawns of a gazelle that browse among the lilies." May her breasts sexually satisfy you"? Proverbs 5:19 "A loving doe, a graceful deer, may her breasts satisfy you always, may you ever be captivated by her love." Song of Songs 1:13 "My lover is to me a sachet of myrrh resting between my breasts." Praising the bed that they had sex on: Song of Songs 1:16 "How handsome you are, my lover! Oh, how charming! And our bed is verdant" Having sex all night long: Proverbs 7:18 "Come, let's drink deep of love till morning; let's enjoy ourselves with love!" "I don't think this would be appropriate for a kid under 18 to read., Song of Songs 1:2-4 "Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth-- for your love is more delightful than wine. Pleasing is the fragrance of your perfumes; your name is like perfume poured out. No wonder the maidens love you! Take me away with you--let us hurry! Let the king bring me into his chambers. We rejoice and delight in you; we will praise your love more than wine. How right they are to adore you! Son 4:5 Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins, which feed among the lilies. Son 7:1 How beautiful are thy feet with shoes, O prince's daughter! the joints of thy thighs are like jewels, the work of the hands of a cunning workman. Son 7:2 Thy navel is like a round goblet, which wanteth not liquor: thy belly is like an heap of wheat set about with lilies. Son 7:3 Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins. Son 7:4 Thy neck is as a tower of ivory; thine eyes like the fishpools in Heshbon, by the gate of Bathrabbim: thy nose is as the tower of Lebanon which looketh toward Damascus. Son 7:5 Thine head upon thee is like Carmel, and the hair of thine head like purple; the king is held in the galleries. Son 7:6 How fair and how pleasant art thou, O love, for delights! Son 7:7 This thy stature is like to a palm tree, and thy breasts to clusters of grapes. Son 7:8 I said, I will go up to the palm tree, I will take hold of the boughs thereof: now also thy breasts shall be as clusters of the vine, and the smell of thy nose like apples; Son 7:9 And the roof of thy mouth like the best wine for my beloved, that goeth down sweetly, causing the lips of those that are asleep to speak. Question how did your god baby Jesus SUCK MILK from the breast of his Mother? Can you imagine God SUCK MILK from women breast? Please describe to us the image of your god SUCKING MILK from the breast of his mother. Luk 11:27 And it happened as He spoke these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice and said to Him, Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the) breasts which
Is that English? What does - My God My God Why have you Forsaken me? mean in simple English? Where in these words does it mean not letting our faith waver?
@@darkness2noor My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far from saving me, so far from the words of my groaning? 2 O my God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer, by night, and am not silent. 3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One; you are the praise of Israel. [1] 4 In you our fathers put their trust; they trusted and you delivered them. 5 They cried to you and were saved; in you they trusted and were not disappointed. 6 But I am a worm and not a man, scorned by men and despised by the people. 7 All who see me mock me; they hurl insults, shaking their heads: 8 "He trusts in the LORD; let the LORD rescue him. Let him deliver him, since he delights in him." 9 Yet you brought me out of the womb; you made me trust in you even at my mother's breast. 10 From birth I was cast upon you; from my mother's womb you have been my God. 11 Do not be far from me, for trouble is near and there is no one to help. 12 Many bulls surround me; strong bulls of Bashan encircle me. 13 Roaring lions tearing their prey open their mouths wide against me. 14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint. My heart has turned to wax; it has melted away within me. 15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd, and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth; you lay me [2] in the dust of death. 16 Dogs have surrounded me; a band of evil men has encircled me, they have pierced [3] my hands and my feet. 17 I can count all my bones; people stare and gloat over me. 18 They divide my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing. 19 But you, O LORD, be not far off; O my Strength, come quickly to help me. 20 Deliver my life from the sword, my precious life from the power of the dogs. 21 Rescue me from the mouth of the lions; save [4] me from the horns of the wild oxen. 22 I will declare your name to my brothers; in the congregation I will praise you. 23 You who fear the LORD, praise him! All you descendants of Jacob, honor him! Revere him, all you descendants of Israel! 24 For he has not despised or disdained the suffering of the afflicted one; he has not hidden his face from him but has listened to his cry for help. 25 From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly; before those who fear you [5] will I fulfill my vows. 26 The poor will eat and be satisfied; they who seek the LORD will praise him-- may your hearts live forever! 27 All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the LORD, and all the families of the nations will bow down before him, 28 for dominion belongs to the LORD and he rules over the nations. 29 All the rich of the earth will feast and worship; all who go down to the dust will kneel before him-- those who cannot keep themselves alive. 30 Posterity will serve him; future generations will be told about the Lord. 31 They will proclaim his righteousness to a people yet unborn-- for he has done it.
@darkness2noor "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring? But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel. Our fathers trusted in thee: They trusted, and thou didst deliver them. They cried unto thee, and were delivered: They trusted in thee, and were not confounded. But thou art he that took me out of the womb: Thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts. Be not far from me; for trouble is near; For there is none to help. Many bulls have compassed me: Strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round. I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: My heart is like wax; It is melted in the midst of my bowels. For dogs have compassed me: The assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: They pierced my hands and my feet. I may tell all my bones: They look and stare upon me. They part my garments among them, And cast lots upon my vesture. All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD : And all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee. For the kingdom is the LORD 's: And he is the governor among the nations." Psalm 22:1, 3-5, 9, 11-12, 14, 16-18, 27-28 KJV This is the whole chapter. Very clearly speaking of faith in the Lord despite a dire situation. In many portions it also seems to be referencing the crucifixion as it speaks of being pierced through hands and feet as well as being surrounded by enemies and then casting lots for garments. All of these are present at the crucifixion. It also speaks of all the bones being out of joint (not broken, in line with the prophecy of not a bone of the Messiah being broken).
@@darkness2noorRead the whole psalm that Jesus was quoting to the end. He was not complaining that God had forsaken him, rather he was confirming that he was completing his mission, that…. “Posterity will serve him; future generations will be told about the Lord. They will proclaim his righteousness, declaring to a people yet unborn: He has done it!”
1. Dear Rabbi.... Jesus said he came to fulfill law not to rule it out. 2. Jesus speaks 7 words on cross. What it meant is .... he didn't stop them and spoke a word against anyone. You are talking everything out of context
Israel being the suffering servant makes no sense whatsoever with no disrespect Verse 4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. israel bore the grief of who ?
Isaiah 53:5 but he was pierced for our transgressions he was was wounded for our iniquities the chastisement of our peace was upon by his stripes we are healed. Jesus Christ our messiah was pierced crucified he was whipped 33 lashings which is stripes mentioned in the above verse as verse 1 says he was not beautiful in appearance that we should believe in him but he was rejected read the gospels Jesus was rejected by his own brothers and all Israel so stop talking about my Messiah no Muslim can prove to me that there so called prophet Muhammad was prophesied in the Bible because the verses they love to use are all messianic prophecies Deuteronomy 18:18 Isaiah 42 Isaiah 29:12 the list goes on but Muhammad was never mentioned anywhere in the entire Bible Torah or gospel you can't us conspiracy theories as truth but that's what Muslims do based on the Qurans claim that Muhammad was mentioned in the previous books Torah psalms and gospel but no wonder why because Lucifer wants to be like Yahweh Baruch hashem the God most high as Isaiah 14 says that's why Lucifer was cast down to the bottom of the pit Allah is Lucifer so don't tell me that Lucifer is God because he only wants to be like the most high. Read this scripture about the devil How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, “I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.” But you are brought down to the realm of the dead, to the depths of the pit. Isaiah 14:12-15 NIV bible.com/bible/111/isa.14.12-15.NIV You see one of the attributes of Allah is Most High and morning star look at the symbol in Islam the star and crescent and Lucifer masquerades as an angel of light it was Lucifer who came to Muhammad in the cave of hira and revealed the the so called holy Quran Lucifer will do anything to make people worship him even envent his own religions look at all the world religions they all worship Lucifer but have no idea about it. I invite you today to accept Jesus Christ as your own personal savior come to Jesus all you who are heavy and ladden he will give you peace only Jesus Christ can save you
*Isiah 53:8* (Translation from Jewish hebrew bible) "He was released from captivity and judgment; who could have imagined such a generation? For he was removed from the land of the living; because of my people's sin *they were afflicted*" It's clear from the passage that Isiah 53 ain't talking about Jesus, but Jewish people : for two reason 1. "For he was removed from the land of the living" ..... Jewish people as a nation were expelled from the land of the living (Jerusalem) 2. "because of my people's sin they were afflicted" The term "they" here clearly meant {Jewish people} but it was cunningly mistranslated by Xtian translators to "he"
In Hebrew, the word used in Isaiah 53:8 is "וְאֶת" ("ve'et"), which is a grammatically neutral pronoun. It does not inherently indicate a singular or plural referent. The choice of translation between "they" and "he" depends on the interpreter's understanding of the context and their theological perspective. Translating "וְאֶת" as "he" is a legitimate translation choice. It allows for the possibility of understanding the suffering servant as an individual figure, such as Jesus Christ, which aligns with certain Christian interpretations. On the other hand, translating "וְאֶת" as "they" is also a valid translation choice. It supports an interpretation where the suffering servant represents the collective entity of the Jewish people, which is a common perspective in Jewish interpretations. Translation choices are not necessarily black and white, and different translators may opt for variations based on their understanding and interpretation of the passage. It's important to acknowledge that translation involves interpretation, and different translators may emphasize different aspects or nuances of the original text. The translation of pronouns can be influenced by the broader context of the passage, theological considerations, and the interpreter's understanding of the text. Therefore, both "they" and "he" are plausible translation choices for the word "וְאֶת" in Isaiah 53:8, depending on the intended interpretation and theological perspective of the translator. It should also be noted that the hebrew word for "he" singular is "hu" in hebrew, and is found in Isaiah 53 referring to the servant. Isaiah 53:11 (Hebrew) מֵעֲמַל נַפְשׁוֹ יִרְאֶה יִשְׂבָּע צַדִּיק עַבְדִּי לָרַבִּים וַעֲוֹנֹתָם הוּא יִסְבֹּל Transliteration: Me'amal nafsho yireh yisba tzaddik avdi l'rabim va'avonotam hu yisbol. Translation: "From the travail of his soul, he shall see and be satisfied; by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant, make many righteous, and he shall bear their iniquities." In this verse, the pronoun "הוּא" (hu) is used to refer to the servant, indicating "he" or "him." It is worth noting that there are other pronouns and descriptors used throughout Isaiah 53 to refer to the suffering servant, but the specific term "הוּא" (hu) is used in this particular instance, thus allowing us to interpret the servant as a singular "he" throughout the chapter when we re-read it.
Pagan, you self-debunk. "For he was removed from the land of the living; because of my people's sin they (my people) were afflicted" The correct translation is: *_"for he (the servant) was cut off out of the land of the living for the transgression of my people THAT PLAGUED (נֶגַע) THEM (לָֽמוֹ׃)."_* or *_"for he (the servant) was cut off out of the land of the living for the transgression of my people A PLAGUE (נֶגַע) was due FOR THEM (לָֽמוֹ׃)."_* Compare to other Tanakhs: *_"By oppressive judgment he was taken away, Who could describe his abode? For he was cut off from the land of the living Through the sin of my people, who deserved the punishment."_* (The Israel Bible) *_"Through oppression and through judicial punishment was he taken away; but his generation-who could tell, that he was cut away out of the land of life, [that] for the transgressions of my people the plague was laid on HIM?"_* (Isaac Leeser Tanakh) *_"He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was HE stricken."_* (Jewish Virtual Library Tanakh) *_"By oppression and judgment he was taken away, And with his generation who did reason? For he was cut off out of the land of the living, For the transgression of my people to whom the stroke was due."_* (JPS Tanakh 191
Pagan, your idols are described as follows in Isaiah 1:4, *_"Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the Lord, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward."_* So much for God's righteous servant
This is simply dishonest. "They" is a neutral pronoun, meaning it can be singular or plural and is largely consistent with the Hebrew word used. You ignore the fact that a few of the other times these statements are made, the Hebrew specifically uses the word "he," stating an individual person. In context it is very clear that the "they" that is sometimes used is just another way to refer to this same "he" that is mentioned throughout the text. Also, even if your incorrect assumption were correct, why would it be unacceptable for the Christian translators to interpret "they" as singular but somehow correct for you to interpret "he" as plural in regards to the Jewish people? It makes no sense. The opposite makes far more sense grammatically and in context.
Jesus said, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one. And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength. ' This is the first commandment.
This is what the LORD says-Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD of Heaven's Armies: “I am the First and the Last; there is no other God.” Isaiah 44:6 “Look, I am coming soon, bringing my reward with me to repay all people according to their deeds. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.” Revelation 22:12-13
@@user-hw7ck6sp8o In the Talmud Sukkah 52b speaks of 4 who will fulfill the redemption. Why is it that Jesus must fulfill all prophecies of the redemption at one time to be considered Messiah? The Zohar also speaks of a near redeemer and a far off redeemer. "I cannot redeem, lest I destroy my inheritance" - from here you see that there are two redeemers, the near redeemer and the far-off redeemer. The near redeemer is from the Right side and the far-off redeemer is the Messiah who comes from Joseph... (Zohar Chadash 88a). I can list many of the prophecies that Jesus fulfilled but these fulfillments were only the first part of two fulfillments. The second will be when he comes again.
Isaiah 53 is not talking about a Nation it is talking about a man who is going to suffer. Let's examine it. Isaiah 53 New International Version 53 Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed? 2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him. 3 He was despised and rejected by mankind, a man of suffering, and familiar with pain. This verse is talking about a man not about a Nation
@@darkness2noor Matthew 26:62.. And the high priest stood up and said, “Have you no answer to make? What is it that these men testify against you?” But Jesus remained silent Mark 14:61 But He kept silent and did not answer. Luke 23:9 And he questioned Him at some length; but He answered him nothing. John 19:9 and he entered into the Praetorium again and *said to Jesus, “Where are You from?” But Jesus gave him no answer.
@@darkness2noorThe implication with "he opened not his mouth" is clearly meant to mean against his oppressors. Jesus repeatedly refused to speak to his Roman oppressors. He spoke to his Father and mother only. The implication is fairly clear. Being led to the slaughter but not opening your mouth does not mean totally silent the entire time completely, but fairly obviously means not opening your mouth AGAINST YOUR CAPTORS, which Jesus never did.
@@darkness2noor It's talking about the people who oppressed him. The people who took him to slaughter. He didn't tell them to stop or talk back to them. "(He was oppressed and He was afflicted, Yet He opened not His mouth); (He was led as a lamb to the slaughter), And as a sheep before (its shearers is silent), (So) He opened not His mouth."
@@kamelabdelgafar8545 abeyy saale get lost😂😂😂 just say God is all loving if u do good deeds and help poor nd praise the creator. Doesn't matter what's his name. Oh the God of abraham isaac and jacob praise be to u is enough.
@@kamelabdelgafar8545 chutiya hai kya father, son and spirit combine to be one.u and ur ignorant prophet didn't understand the term trinity nd like this with low iq and poor development of muslim nations also lowest in Nobel prize rewards for invention. Nd what Allah is loving? Did ur own quran says humiliate Christians and jews isn't that? Don't insult qur'an my friend. After all u don't even know what 10 commandments means but still claims Allah is the God of moses🤦🏻♂️ ur own prophet in Qur'an Eliah which is my God is yahweh. Broo salvation is through only christ it's ok don't believe me I'm a lier when the judgement day ur own a$$ gets shaked just wait for it
Torah has also been corrupted Read Genesis 21 story of Ishmael. Focus on Genesis 21:14-19 it is clear that the outcast Ishmael was a helpless infant rather than an able-bodied teenager, thus the account in Genesis 21 is chronologically wrong. The claim that Ishmael mocked Isaac and that this had anything to do with Hagar’s journey is an obvious fabrication since Isaac was not even born yet when this story occurred for Ishmael was still a baby.
ISLAM teaches us God does not appear as a White Man and discriminate Blacks. God does not appear as Male God and discriminate Female. God does not appear as a Jew and discriminate non Jews.
We know Jesus was not white, God healed a woman from a decade plus of disease, a woman from stoning, Jesus said proclaim the gospel to all the world. All you said is debunked.
Most Christians don't read and know the Bible. Especially their OT. The problem is made much worse because they don't know Hebrew and are forced to read adulterated translations. As far as Isaiah 53 goes: when you read a book, you don’t jump to the 12th chapter and start reading, do you? Of course not. Doing that it is easy to get trapped into taking things out of context. Read the entire book of Isaiah. It is broken up into four servant songs. It is poetic and God’s servant is painted as a person. Isaiah 53, although seeming to speak of a person, is poetically speaking of the servant. The nation of Israel is referred to as God‘s servant 24 times in Tanakh (your OT). Israel is referred to as God’s servant in many chapters preceding Isaiah 53. One final thought. If you were writing religious propaganda, 50 or 60 years after an event, and you had the Old Testament in front of you, wouldn’t it be easy to create a story and inject Jesus into that story using terminology and incidences of the Old Testament? Of course it would. And in my opinion that’s exactly what the Roman Empire did. Christianity is a created religion, just like the cult of Serapis and other religions that were created by Empires of antiquity. Nobody from the Galillee during antiquity could have dreamt up and written this story. The literacy rate of that area at that time was roughly 5%. Most people couldn’t read or write. It is obvious that the New Testament letters and books were written by the Roman elite at the behest of the Empire’s leaders. To put it in modern terms that you may understand, the Roman Empire was run just like Kim Jong-un runs North Korea. Nothing could be written, promulgated and disseminated without the Empire’s participation and authorization.
Rome fell to the barbarians. You see things through the lens of the mind. The heart is where knowledge is born. The heart defeats death, not the mind. You negate the possibility of a GOD who is both All Powerful and All Loving. Do you not believe in a single Creator, The ONE GOD?
@@J-hz4jb In the words of Henry Potter: “Sentimental hogwash.” You first have to prove God exists. It’s dishonest to assert things as fact that are not evidently true.
@@mnamhie Faith is an integral part of the system. Faith will not be removed from the system. A person can select to go with their heart and pursue a belief in the ONE GOD - if they try, and see where that experience leads them to. Or they can select to sit in their office and read the genre of their choosing. Faith and miracles are both real and quite well proven events, at least at clinical and even sometimes scientific views.
@@J-hz4jb Faith is not a pathway to knowledge. With faith, you could believe in anything you want. Why do you think there are so many religions and gods in the world? Bottom line: asserting things as fact without evidence to support veracity is being dishonest. Try becoming an honest person. Who speaks of things known to be true and factual. Faiths are dangerously divisive and have done nothing other than divide and cause strife. Become an honest person who speaks the truth.
@@mnamhie Yes, you are getting closer. You said with "...faith, you could believe in any...." Very smart of you to make that conclusion, it is a very rare response actually. Let us ponder more on this truth..... If you place your faith in a conman or a shyster, then it is likely you will lose all your money and all your possessions - not to mention a lot of time - and in some cases, worse. If you place your faith in the devil, you may decide to reject your own soul and lose all hope in anything good or positive and only spend the rest of your awareness experiencing pain and torment. If you place your faith in the medical system and a practicing physcisian it will depend on a number of factors.... if you have a good practicing doctor and only a minor health issue, then things are likely to work out well for you - but not all cases work out well. Once, long ago, many doctors could not heal me after repeated attempts with many different ones. Finally, I decided to put FAITH in myself and even though I'm not trained in any medical fields, I learned and learned, studied and studied, all day and all night and then, fortunately, I was able to cure myself. We have not spoken about what happens when a person puts their FAITH in GOD. But I'm not sure you believe in the ONE CREATOR - so first thing, first. Not easy to have faith in something, if you don't believe that something even exists. Enjoy you free will. All best wishes to you. Good luck with your life and have a great day!
@@darkness2noor Isa 53 according to Jewish Theologian Rabbi and scholars said Isa 53 has nothing to do with Jesus . Christian consider Jesus as God and son of God but Isa 53 was talking about HUMAN being SERVANT of God who will have seed children and Jesus has no children . christian bible Isa 53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in ( his death) ; because he had done no violence, neither was my deceit in his mouth. Jewish bible Isa 53:9 And they made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich (his tomb) ; although he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. Christian missionary changed (his tomb o his high places to his death) they corrupted the original Hebrew after translating it to sound like crucifixion !! Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall ( my righteous servant ) justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. ( Jesus for christians was god not servant of God and the verse is taking about servant of God and according to the jew the servant of God is Israel as you read in Isa 41:8 But thou, ( Israel, art my servant, Jacob) whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend. Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he ( shall see his seed,) he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. ( Jesus has no seed because he never got married and he has no children Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; (Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him) in the midst of you , as ye yourselves also know: My Servant means Israel : Isa 41:8 But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend. Isa 41:9 Thou whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called thee from the chief men thereof, and said unto thee, Thou art my servant; I have chosen thee, and not cast thee away. Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. Isa 44:1 Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant; and Israel, whom I have chosen: Isa 44:21 Remember these, O Jacob and Israel; for thou art my servant: I have formed thee; thou art my servant: O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten of me. Isa 45:4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me. Isa 48:20 Go ye forth of Babylon, flee ye from the Chaldeans, with a voice of singing declare ye, tell this, utter it even to the end of the earth; say ye, The LORD hath redeemed his servant Jacob.Hate unbeliever
I was born Jewish. The very first time I read Issiah 52 and 53, I was stunned - I knew in my heart the truth. This confused me as it's not what my Rabbi said to me later. So I took what the Rabbi said and went back to read those passages again. I tried as much as I could to believe what I was told by the Rabbi while reading the passage - it was impossible to do. I tried over and over to read that passage and only think about the Rabbi's explanation - every time, it was impossible. My mind would be grabbed by a force too strong for me to control and would remove the false explanation from the Rabbi and insert The Messiah into each line of words which I read. I felt things were getting out of control - I figured better drop religion, stop listening to others, and start getting my information from GOD - Thank GOD, that worked.
The Rabbi missed so much. Jesus was hand Over to Rome by his people. He was the last sacrificial lamb. He and the father are one. No man. The children of messiah are reborn into his kingdom and his family. By his spirit we keep his law summarized by Love God with your whole heart, love your neighbor as your self. The Jewish people who called for his cruel death said “let his blood be on our heads and the heads of our children “….we have no king but But Cesar”. The terrible destruction of of Jerusalem cam in 70 ad because they rejected their true king. Jesus was right not one stone was left on another. The Father, Son , and Spirit are One though we can’t fully understand. Jesus said tear this temple down and I will rebuild it. Three days later he was raised from the dead. The Temple Mount is buried still, how can you be a Jewish with out a temple? How can the Jewish state save anyone. It was Desolate for 2000 years. Now that it is a state again it has a specular government. Know knows if the are a Levite, know one can trace their Geneolgy to David there today. Most Jewish people today are secular atheists, yet a small remnant comes to Messiah. Jesus will return the conqueror to claim his kingdom and his throne. Whom did nation heal? What wounds were bound by a nation? I pray for Israel. I love Jewish people. I believe that though their hearts are partially hardened and their eyes are partially blinded they will eventually see the Jesus is the Messiah first for the Jews, and then a blessing to all nations. Please Jesus turn the heart of your people to the Father by the power of your Spirit. Amen
One of the reasons people misrepresent God / are confused about God is the horrible translation errors in our bibles made by clerks of "a certain denomination". They had no clue about God's intend, so made it fit their conviction. Luckely the original line is clearly visible. 1: God created us after His own image and likeness. Gen 1:27. 2: Man fell. That is what you see in this world: lust, greed, selfishness, strange philosophies, sicknesses, corruption, terrorism, death, etc, etc. Genesis 3. 3: God, the spirit of life, manifests fully in Christ, pays the debt for mankinds fall so we can be indwelled again by His Spirit and be transformed back to origin. John 14-17. Pure grace, love, power of God for His creation. Hence the divine healing miracles and casting out of demons His first friend, i and many others experience up to this day! Some examples of these idiotic translation errors. Saved, from the Greek Sozo actually means: made complete, brought back to origin. Eternal life from the Greek Zoë means: life of God, divine life. "You will see Jesus coming on the clouds" actually reads: "You will perceive Jesus from a heavenly perspective"... who He is, what He did, who you are IN Him. "Everyone not found in the book of life will be thrown in the lake of fire" actually reads: "Everything not found in the book of life....". Every lie we believed about God and ourselves will vanish through Jesus's truth. Wrath from the Greek Orge means PASSION. So there is no wrath of God upon mankind. God IS love! Wrath from the Greek Thumos also means PASSION. There goes the "bowls of wrath" poured out by God over humanity... it's "bowls of boisterous PASSION" through Chris that are poured outt!!! Etc, etc, etc, look it up in the Kittel Theological Dictionary or in any Greek/Hebrew Strong's app. It's there. So now we have ignorant preachers parotting the lie that we have to be saved from God's wrath by Jesus (who is God....) and "have to repent or go to hell". Utter nonsense. In stead it is: God restores us through Christ by His own atoning blood sacrifice and indwelling Holy Spirit, from mankind's fall, to His own image and likeness (Christlikeness) because of... passion. For God so loved the world.... God cannot be tempted to do evil.... There is no turning or shifting with Him.... If you don't love you don't know God, for God is love.... The goal of all instruction is... love The Father Himself loves you.... Jesus healing all..... love Jesus raising the dead..... love Jesus casting out demons.... love Jesus controlling nature..... love If wrath would be in God, it would be the tenth fruit of the Spirit.... and it is not! Etc, etc , etc.
It's plainly obvious Jesus is the Messiah and Jehovah God. The continued attacks and rejections against Him and His deity by unregenerate religious people, and people, in general, prove Him to be God Almighty. "That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world" (John 1:9).
"The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God" 2 Corinthians 4:4
he didn't open his mouth during questioning and torture, he offered no defence to false accusations. Pilate washed his hands because he could not find guilt, the jews insisted that Jesus must be put to death. what the scripture doesn't say his Jesus will never speak again, a terrible argument from a Rabbi who openly misleads and misquotes scripture
@croqsieur Nope it doesn't say that it says he only said "if you say so" and nothing else and that his silence amazed Pilate. Pilate did not allow random persons to enter his office so John wasn't there.
Isaiah 53 about King Messiah And Only King Messiah is Muhammad SAW Even The name of Muhammad SAW appeared in Isaiah 53 !! Nabi Isayahu Alesalam is not Fool He is talking about Messiah Muhammad SAW
Isaiah 53 is about the true Hebrews descendants of Jacob, black people of the diaspora scattered throughout the planet as slaves. God said to pharaoh let my son Israel go, so they may worship me. That description describes them not Jesus or the Jews in Israel today.
Big deal. A person can convince himself of anything, and Sid worked himself into a frenzy, just like many millions of others have througout their lives. There can never be any proof of anything divine by the word of someone or by the word of many who claim to have had a revelation of any kind. The divine is beyond man, and only what is written in the jewish bible is to be considered as truth. And the jewish bible has told us clearly that Israel is God's servant who was spoken of in Isaiah 53, not jesus. To begin with, it should be noted that many christian scholars and apologists have come to the conclusion based on a more comprehensive study of Isaiah 53, as presented briefly below, that Isaiah 53 does not speak about the messiah, and certainly not about jesus. Even at the very beginning of christianity, Origen, a 3rd-century christian scholar, ascetic, and theologian from Alexandria stated that Isaiah 53 is about Israel, not jesus. About that chapter, we would first like to ask christians who preach Isaiah 53 as referring to jesus, this: Why would a jewish people who are very aware that the jewish messiah will appear at a future time, and restore Israel to a state of total redemption and knowledge of God, reject that messiah when he arrives? That makes no sense at all, especially when it is presumed that the messiah arrived at a time when the jews were under great stress in the holy land, due to the oppression of the cruel and vicious romans. The only reason jews would do that is if they understood that the person claiming to be the messiah did not fulfill the biblical criteria of the jewish messiah. And that is exactly why the jews then and now reject jesus as the messiah. Regarding Isaiah 53, I have found that christians struggle to answer this: Why does an isolated part of a chapter that they say indicates jesus, appear in the middle of a book that does not speak about jesus at all? The entire book of Isaiah presents a fluent theme, and reading Isaiah 53 as an isolated part of that theme does not allow the reader to understand the true context of that book. Throughout Isaiah, the servant of God is revealed in clear statements that anyone going through the book would notice straight away. Isaiah 41.8,9, 42.6, 43.10, 44.1, 44.21, 45.4, 48.20, and 49.3 all speak of Israel as the servant of God. If we look at the beginning of the chapter, we can see that an important question immediately begs itself: Who is speaking in Isaiah 53? And, once again, if we learn the context of chapter 53 more comprehensively, we can see that in Isaiah 53.1-8, the gentile kings are speaking, based on Isaiah 52.15: "... The kings shall shut their mouths at him, for that which had not been told them shall they see, and that which they had not heard shall they consider." In 53, the gentile kings are expressing their astonishment at the fact that the jews suffered so much at their hands, and God is saying that He will save Israel and restore them to their former glory. In chapter 53, the gentile nations will grapple with the age-old jewish question: Why do the jews suffer so much? To solidify our understanding further, note that in Isaiah 43.10 it says "You are My witnesses, declares the Lord, and My servant whom I have chosen," whereby "witnesses" is plural, and "servant" is singular, clearly denoting Israel. Zechariah 8.23, speaking of the messianic age, says that 10 repsentatives of the nations will take hold of a jew and say take us with you, for we now know that God is with your people. They will realize then, as in Isaiah 53, that Israel suffered (some who thought that was due to the jews killing jesus) and God restored them. Isaiah 53.8 says "For the transgressions of my people, they were stricken." The christian bibles mistranslated the hebrew in that verse. If the hebrew was "negah lo" that would mean "he was stricken", but it says "nega lamo" which means "they were stricken". Note that in Isaiah 48.21 the same word appears (lamo), and the NIV translates it as "for them", not "him". The nations will finaly realize that it was for their own sins that we suffered so much. They chose to inflict suffering on Israel, and they sinned by doing so. The following are additional questions that shoud be asked regarding jesus as the suffering servant: - Was jesus "despised and shunned by men?" According to Luke 4.15, he taught in the synagogue and everyone praised him. Huge crowds supposedly followed him, and he was described as making a 'triumphal entry' into Jerusalem (Matthew 21.8-11, John 12.12-13, and John 17-19). - Was jesus "familiar with disease" and "stricken by God"? The Hebrew word "nega" (disease) in the jewish bible refers strictly to leprosy, as in Leviticus 13.3,9,20 and 2 Kings 15.5. But even if leprosy was not the meaning, what disease did jesus suffer from? - Was jesus silent before his accusers? In all four gospels jesus spoke out against his accusers. After being accused of being a drunkard, possessed, breaking the law, and committing blasphemy, he spoke out each time and was definitely not silent against his accusers. For example, in Mathew 23.33, he says "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?" In another example, in Matthew 23.16-17, he says "Woe to you, blind guides, who say, 'Whoever swears by the temple, that is nothing; but whoever swears by the gold of the temple is obligated.' You fools and blind men! Which is more important, the gold or the temple that sanctified the gold?" He said that even though he himself said this as well in Mathew 5.22: "But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, 'Raca', is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell." - Was the grave of jesus "set among the wicked, and with the rich, in his death"? Some gospels say that there were no other bodies in the tomb in which his body was placed, and he had a lone grave. - "... though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth" (53.9). These words do not refer to jesus since he was known to have commited violent acts, including overturning the tables in the temple, cursing a fig tree, and others. In Zephania 3.12-13, you can see that the remnant of israel who will survive the persecutions of the nations, will strengthen their faith in God, and will do no wrong and tell no lies. - "... the Lord chose to crush him by disease, that if he made himself an offering for guilt, he may see offspring and have long life ..." Did jesus offer himself as a sacrifice? Mathew 26.39: "He went a little farther and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me, nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.' He asked that he would not have to die like that. Did jesus have offspring and a long life? The word for offspring in hebrew is "zera" which always refers in the Tanach to human physical offspring, not spiritual disciples. And he died at 33, not such a long life at all. - "Therefore I will alot him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoils with the strong." How does that apply to jesus? The suffering servant is the nation of Israel. Uziah, who was the king during the time of Isaiah died of leprosy, and Isaiah was referring to him specifically and to israel in general, as if to say "Here is your leprous king, who is suffering under Godʼs hand for the backslidden servant nation of Israel" as per verse 6. Uziah was taken away from the royal palace because of his affliction as a leper and spent his remaining years in isolation, as per verse 8. The end of Isaiah 52 is the key to understanding why 53 cannot refer to jesus. 52.13-15: "See, My servant will act wisely, he will be raised and lifted up and highly exalted ... and kings will shut their mouths because of him. For what they were not told, they will see, and what they have not heard, they will understand." If Jesus appeared, the nations of the world would not be shocked, since many in the world are falsely expecting his return, and wouldn't be surprised if he appeared. But if the true jewish messiah appeared and it wasn't jesus, there would be astonishment among the nations. Isaiah 52 does not say that the jews would be shocked, to mean that jesus would suprise them, but that the nations of the world will be suprised. Reading through Isaiah, one can see that the chapters before and after 53 clearly state that Israel is the servant of God who suffers for the transgressions of the nations. The undeniable theme is that the nations of the world persecuted and subjugated Israel, but God assures Israel that He will restore and redeem them in the end. Since those nations did not know the true God, they turned a blind eye to God's proclamations regarding Israel's future, when the entire world will no longer practice war and will then understand that Israel suffered because of their actions against them. Chapter 53 of Isaiah, between chapters 52 and 54, which both talk about Israel's suffering, is surely just another piece in the puzzle of that theme. Extracting 53 out of its continuous themed environment is like taking a paragraph about cats from a book on dogs and claiming the book is about cats ...
Anybody that says 53 is about Jesus has never read the entirety of Isaiah. I dislike holy shmoley very much but there's absolutely no way Jesus was the Jewish mashiach predicted in Isaiah. He did absolutely nothing the mashiach was supposed to do and even worse for Christians that argue this is that the mashiach was supposed to fear God not be God.
@croqsieur read the entirety of Isaiah. Israel was called the suffering servant throughout the book. Also look at every single thing the Jewish mashiach is supposed to do, Jesus did nothing promised and it also dispells the stupid notion that mashiach is God as it clearly states he will fear the one true God of Abraham
Isaiah 53 and the Imam, Rabbi and Pastor In this interesting video, I hear the Christians say Isaiah 53 is talking about Jesus, no one else. I hear the Rabbis say Isaiah 53 is talking about the Nation of Israel, although he says it in rather oblique ways. And I hear the Imam, Muslim, saying there was no crucifixion, that the prophecy of Isaiah 53 was never fulfilled. Well, let me begin with the Muslim view first. One verse in the Qur'an, Sura 4:157, says there was no killing or crucifixion of the Messiah. However, that verse does not address the meaning of killing and crucifixion. Also, Islamic interpretation of that verse did not take into account the word released by Jesus saying, Fear not those that kill the body, but cannot kill the soul. But fear him who is able to kill both the body and the soul. In other words, there is a killing of the body and soul. And also, there is a killing of the body but not of the soul. Which was the Qur'an talking about? We can figure which it was talking about when we read the beginning of Surah 4, verse 157. It talks there about those that hated the Messiah saying that they had killed and crucified him. That is its focus. Its focus is not the testimony of the disciples who testified of his crucifixion; its focus is the testimony of those that hated the Messiah who boasted that they had killed and crucified him. When we go back to the New Testament, we find indeed that there were Jews that came back to Pilate to say, give us a watch so that a rumor does not arise that he rose from the dead. They wanted to make sure Jesus was killed dead, so to speak. So the Qur'an was answering them that they did not kill him dead. That is why verse 158 says Allah raised him to himself, in other words, there was a resurrection. Those that hated Jesus were trying to prevent a resurrection, but failed. Now that contrasts with the testimony of the Qur'an concerning the disciples. Surah 5 verse 111 says that the disciples were "inspired by Allah" to follow the Messiah. In other words, the Quran testifies that they were faithful witnesses. Now, these are the same people that testify that there was a crucifixion. The accounts of the Gospels and the New Testament writings came from them and in their generation. If their account was wrong, the Quran would be focusing on them. It wouldn't be calling their testimony the testimony of inspired disciples. It would be saying that they were wrong. But the Quran doesn't say that they were wrong. The Quran says that those that hated Jesus were wrong. So, clearly the Quran is making a distinction between the death of the body and the death of the soul. And when it says to the Jews that hated Jesus that they killed him not, it is not talking about the death of the body. It is talking about the death of the soul. It is merely repeating what Jesus said himself. Fear not those that kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But fear Yahweh who can kill both the body and the soul. So, that's all the Quran was saying. Furthermore, what the Quran said in 4:157 is in line with what it says in Surah 2 verse 154. Here he says that those that die in the way of Allah are not really dead. They only appear to be dead. It protests that they are alive.m. And that is precisely what the Quran was saying in Surah 4 verse 157 where it says "it appeared so to them". It appeared to the Jews that hated Jesus that they had killed and crucified him dead. But he is alive. It only appeared so to them. And Judaism argued, as they were doing all the way from the crucifixion to the time Mohammed came, that they had killed the imposter dead. No, Jesus was not an imposter. Neither did they kill Jesus dead. But Yahweh raised him according to the testimony of the faithful disciples. And the claim of the Quran in the very next verse, verse 158. So, Islam is wrong in its interpretation of Surah 4, verse 157. But polemics, vain and bitter polemics, have forced it to create a contending narrative to justify its efforts to stand against Christianity. The Quran commands them to believe the earlier revelation that includes the Injil, that it's valid. But the contending doctrine tries to meander through to make the Injil false in its critical elements. So even where the Quran talks about Jesus dying before the resurrection, such as in Surah 3:55 and 19:33, Islamic scholars have laboured to make it read differently, that Jesus is going to come back tomorrow, sometime in the future, and first die, and then rise from the dead. By this stretched but false logic, they try to force sense into Surah 19, verse 33, that says he will die before he is raised, and Surah 3, verse 55, that says he will die before he is raised. So, both verses are in effect cast away by Islamic scholars and made to mean what they don't mean, all in an effort for vain polemics. So, we'll ignore them for now. In their vain polemics, not only did they rise against the Injil, which, incidentally, is a transliteration of the Latin "Evangelium", from where we get the Arabic "Injil " and English "evangel". For the Hebrew word should have been besorah. Basar is to evangelize. The Arabic should have been besorah, or a word with those consonants. But to emphasize that it was what was being held by the Christians that Mohammed was talking about, the Quran chose to give it the name Injil, rather than the name besorah or basarah. Not just that, but the testimony of Isaiah, in Isaiah 53, is also discounted by the Islamic scholars. On what basis? It can be understood when Judaism fights against Isaiah 53, because Judaism says the Messiah has not come. But on what basis would the Quran be fighting against Isaiah 53 when it agrees that the Messiah came? If it says it is not Jesus that died in the crucifixion, cut off from the land of the living, according to Isaiah 53, then who does the Quran say Isaiah 53 refers to? The nation of Israel? Has the Quran become Judaistic also? So these Islamic scholars are merely grasping at straws. Nah, we can ignore them, and move on to the main controversy, that between the Jews and the Christians. Continued in Part 2
Part 2, Continued from above Now, whenever the Christians focus on Isaiah 53, appearing to separate it from Isaiah 52, they give Judaism a field day to go back to the last three verses of Isaiah 52 to try to make a connection and claim that Isaiah 53 is talking about the nation of Israel as the suffering servant. No, Isaiah 53 is not talking about the nation of Israel as the suffering servant. And to show that, we just need to make the same step that rabbis have made by going back, not just to Isaiah 52, but all the way to Isaiah 42, to show who the servant really is. The rabbis like to say that whenever Isaiah mentions servant, he is talking about Israel. Well, that is not always true, particularly in relation to the suffering servant. So, we shall now show that Isaiah was talking about this individual servant, beginning from Isaiah 42, and leading up to Isaiah 53. We shall also show the various revealed attributes of this servant. This way, we will show clearly that the suffering servant of Isaiah 53, cannot be the nation of Israel, but must be an individual. So let's begin. Isaiah 42, verses 6 and 7, talk about a servant that shall be a light to the nations, and a covenant for the people, to bring people out of darkness. It doesn't give him a name here. It doesn't say he's a covenant servant for Israel. It doesn't mention which people he's a covenant for. But when we move on to Isaiah 49, we now find who this servant is. Isaiah 49, verse 6, says this servant will be a light to the nations, as was the case in Isaiah 42, verse 6. Then when we go to Isaiah 49, verses 8 and 9, we find Isaiah again calling this servant a covenant for the people to bring them out of darkness, as we saw in 42:6-7. So, we're dealing with the same person. Furthermore, in Isaiah 49, Isaiah expands on the theme of Isaiah 42 in such a way that we have a better idea who the servant of Isaiah 42 is. 49:6 tells us that this servant is being raised to bring back the tribes of Jacob and to restore the preserved of Israel. This servant must then be an individual, since a nation won't be sent to bring back itself, nor a preserved remnant sent to restore itself. Again, Isaiah 49:8 also gives an additional reason why the people are given a covenant servant. The reason is also "to make them inherit the desolate heritages". Now, who are the people being made to inherit their desolate heritages? None other than the nation of Israel that have been driven into exile. They are the ones that lost their heritages. They are the ones whose heritages became desolate. And they are the ones that need to inherit their desolate heritages again. So we find here an individual servant being made a covenant of the people of Israel to make it possible for them to inherit the desolate heritages and to bring them out of darkness. Now, this servant in Isaiah 49 was clearly given the name "Israel" in 49:3. But, as we pointed out above, he must be an individual, for Israel as a nation cannot be sent to bring back itself. Nor can a remnant be sent to restore itself. So, obviously, we are talking here about a person, notwithstanding the name, "Israel", given to him. And that's a person that is also being made a covenant for the people to make it possible for the plan of the Father in Heaven, of the God of Creation, Yahweh, to be fulfilled, being his plan to bring Israel back to the land and make them a righteous nation. Now, we may not fully understand what the word covenant means in this context where it is applied to a person. But when we go to Zachariah chapter 9 verse 11, we see a feature of the covenant brought out in a setting where the same ideas expressed in Isaiah chapter 42 and Isaiah chapter 49 exist. That verse in Zachariah says that because of the "blood" of the "covenant", the people shall be brought out of a pit in which there is no water. So, that brings us back to the redeeming servant of Isaiah 42 and 49, but this time "blood" will be required from him. We shall return to this point when we get to Isaiah 53. Now Isaiah 49:6 speaks of this servant not just being a light to the Gentiles, but also being made by Yahweh to be his salvation to the ends of the earth. This attribute of saviour of the world takes us to Isaiah 52:10 where it is linked to his being the "arm" of Yahweh. So, let's hear Isaiah 52:10: Isaiah 52:10 Tanakh-1917 The LORD hath made bare His holy arm In the eyes of all the nations; And all the ends of the earth shall see The salvation of our God. So, clearly, this individual, redeemer, covenant for the nation of Israel, Yahweh's salvation to the ends of the earth, is identified as Yahweh's "arm". Continued in Part 3
Part 3, Continued from above Isaiah 49:7 also tells us about the relationship of this person to the nation of Israel on one hand, and to the nations of the world, on the other hand. One group it says shall despise and abhor him. The other group it says will exalt and "worship" him. We'll quote the verse in interlinear format. Isa 49:7 interlinear כֹּ֣ה koh Thus אָֽמַר־ 'a·mar- he has said יְהוָה֩ A·do·Nai (namely) the LORD גֹּאֵ֨ל go·'El the Redeemer of יִשְׂרָאֵ֜ל Yis·ra·'El Israel קְדוֹשׁ֗וֹ ke·do·Sho, his Holy One לִבְזֹה־ liv·zoh- to (one) despised by נֶ֜פֶשׁ Ne·fesh the soul (of man) לִמְתָ֤עֵֽב lim·Ta·'ev to (one) abhorred by גּוֹי֙ goy the nation לְעֶ֣בֶד le·'E·ved to a servant of מֹשְׁלִ֔ים mo·she·Lim, rulers מְלָכִים֙ me·la·Chim Kings יִרְא֣וּ yir·'U shall see וָקָ֔מוּ va·Ka·mu, and arise שָׂרִ֖ים sa·Rim princes (too) וְיִֽשְׁתַּחֲוּ֑וּ ve·yish·ta·chav·Vu; and they shall worship לְמַ֤עַן le·Ma·'an because of יְהוָה֙ A·do·Nai the LORD אֲשֶׁ֣ר 'a·Sher that נֶאֱמָ֔ן ne·'e·Man, (is) faithful קְדֹ֥שׁ ke·Dosh the Holy One of יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל Yis·ra·'El Israel וַיִּבְחָרֶֽךָּ׃ vai·yiv·cha·Re·ka. and he shall choose you. Isaiah 49:7 condensed from the interlinear: Thus, he has said, (namely) Yahweh, the Redeemer of Israel, his Holy One, to (one) despised by man, to (one) abhorred by the nation, to a servant of rulers, "Kings shall see, and arise, princes (too), and they shall worship", because of Yahweh that is faithful, and he shall choose you. We see above that, firstly, the nation (goy, not goyim) will abhor the individual servant. Then next, kings and princes see, arise and worship him. The one nation that abhors him must then be Israel, while the kings and princes rising before him and worshipping him must represent the nations. When we go to Isaiah 53:3, we again find a group abhorring and despising him. This must then be the same Israel abhorring him in Isaiah 49:7 as noted already, and not the nations whose kings rather hold him in high esteem, as we also saw in 49:7. With this simple and clear understanding, we can return to Isaiah 52:13-15 that rabbis misread to proclaim the nation or remnant of Israel to be the suffering servant. Isaiah 52:10 has already told us our subject here is Yahweh's salvation to the ends of the earth as per Isaiah 49:6. He is also called Yahweh's "arm" in 52:10. Isaiah 52:13 tells us he will be highly exalted. And we already know from Isaiah 49:7 before whom he will be thus exalted. It will be before the kings and princes of the nations. It will not be before Israel. Isaiah 52:14 then talks about his form and appearance, disfigured, and unappealing. To whom does he appear so marred in appearance? Isaiah 53:2 tells us. It says, Isa 53:2b Tanakh-1917 … He had no form nor comeliness, that we should look upon him, Nor beauty that we should delight in him. Certainly Isaiah 53:2 is yet talking about this individual servant. And the very people that cannot look upon him, or delight in him, is the same group that abhors and despises him in the next verse, 53:3, as well as in Isaiah 49:7, as we saw above, namely, the nation of Israel! Then we find the identification of the individual servant as the "arm" of Yahweh in Isaiah 52:10 repeated in Isaiah 53:1, but this time, as a question, asking, "To whom has the arm of Yahweh been revealed"? The answer is again clear from the foregoing. The arm of Yahweh has been revealed to the Gentile kings and princes that would rise before him and worship him. But the one group that would not recognize him would be the very nation of Israel to whom he was being sent! For if they would recognize him, they wouldn't do to him all that Isaiah prophesied they would do to him in the rest of Isaiah 53. Take verse 8 for example: Isaiah 53:8 Tanakh-1917 By oppression and judgment he was taken away, And with his generation who did reason? For he was cut off out of the land of the living, For the transgression of my people to whom the stroke was due. The Jewish Publication Society, JPS, translation above says he was cut off … "for" the transgression of my people to whom the stroke was due. However the phrase translated is "mip-pesha am-mi, nega lamo". Mip-pesha am-mi can also be translated "FROM or BY the transgression of my people …." Indeed, this may be the expected prophetic translation, for it proved to be the very Jewish leaders that did not recognize him that required him cut off by crucifixion when the time came. So, Isaiah required the nation of Israel to be blind and unable to recognize the suffering covenant servant as the arm of Yahweh when he would come. That way, they would do to him all that they did do to him, including insisting on his crucifixion. And this way, they would make the "blood" of the covenant spoken of by Zachariah in 9:11 available. Why did Yahweh's plan go thus? That is beyond the scope of this comment or post. All we seek to show here is that Yeshua did indeed come as the suffering covenant servant and was crucified by his people as it was written of him. So, when the rabbis sneak into the end of Isaiah 52 to extract a basis to say the suffering servant is the nation of Israel, they wittingly or unwittingly misinterpret the prophecy of Isaiah. The Christian who says Isaiah 53 refers to Yeshua is right even though he could have pulled in a more thorough and unexceptionable defence of his position by pointedly showing up the gross error in rabbinical efforts.
Jeremiah 11:19: “”For I was like a docile lamb Led to the slaughter; I did not realize That it was against me They fashioned their plots: “Let us destroy the tree with its fruit, Let us cut him off from the land of the living. That his name be remembered no more!”” Sound familiar? He also even made intercession for sinners: “”I have heard you,” replied Jeremiah the prophet. “I will certainly pray to the Lord your God as you have requested; I will tell you everything the Lord says and will keep nothing back from you.”” -Jeremiah 42:4 God’s Servant..: Isaiah 41:8-9 ; “But you, Israel, My servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, Seed of Abraham My friend-You whom I drew from the ends of the earth And called from its far corners, To whom I said: You are My servant; I chose you, I have not rejected you..” Isaiah 42:6-7 ; “I the LORD, in My grace, have summoned you, And I have grasped you by the hand. I created you, and appointed you A covenant people, a light of nations-Opening eyes deprived of light, Rescuing prisoners from confinement, From the dungeon those who sit in darkness.” Isaiah 43:10: ““You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am He. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me.” -Notice how the “witnesses”(plural, more than one) are identified as “servant” in the singular. * Also refers to Israel in the singular as being God’s servant in Isaiah 44:1-2, 44:21, Isaiah 45:4, Isaiah 48:20, Isaiah 49:3, Psalm 136:22, Jeremiah 30:10, Jeremiah 46:27-28, **sounds a little like Isaiah 53 and clearly God is referring His people Israel, His chosen ones to be a light to the nations. It’s everywhere, but all of a sudden Isaiah 53 is not Israel 🤦♂️😆 ok. The suffering servant (and “despised”)..: Isaiah 60:14-15: “The sons of those who afflicted you shall come bending low to you, and all who despised you shall bow down at your feet; they shall call you the City of the Lord, the Zion of the Holy One of Israel. Whereas you have been forsaken and hated, with no one passing through, I will make you majestic forever, a joy from age to age.” Isaiah 52:4-5: “For thus saith the Lord GOD, My people went down aforetime into Egypt to sojourn there; and the Assyrian oppressed him without cause. Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nothing; his rulers boast , says the LORD; and constantly, all day, My name is blasphemed.” Isaiah 54:11: “O thou afflicted, tossed with tempest, and not comforted, behold, I will lay thy stones with fair colours, and lay thy foundations with sapphires.” Isaiah 49:7: “This is what the Lord says- the Redeemer and Holy One of Israel- to him who was despised and abhorred by the nation, to the servant of rulers: “Kings will see you and stand up, princes will see and bow down, because of the Lord, who is faithful, the Holy One of Israel, who has chosen you.”” Isaiah 49:13: “Shout for joy, you heavens;, you earth; burst into song, you mountains! For the Lord comforts his people and will have compassion on his afflicted ones.” Israel sheep to be slaughtered: Psalm 44:22: ”It is for Your sake that we are slain all day long, that we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.” Psalm 44:11-16: “You have made us like sheep for slaughter and have scattered us among the nations. You have sold your people for a trifle, demanding no high price for them. You have made us the taunt of our neighbors, the derision and scorn of those around us. You have made us a byword among the nations, a laughingstock among the peoples. All day long my disgrace is before me, and shame has covered my face at the sound of the taunter and reviler, at the sight of the enemy and the avenger.” -The language used here to describe the condition of the Jewish people in Psalm 44 precisely parallels that of Isaiah 53. Zachariah 11:4-7: “Thus saith the LORD my God; Tend the flock of the slaughter; whose buyers shall slay them, and hold themselves not guilty: and they that sell them shall say, Blessed be the LORD; for I am rich: and their own shepherds shall not have pity on them.. (v7) And I tended the flock of slaughter; indeed, the poor of the flock.” Ezekiel 34:15-16: “I will tend My sheep, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord GOD. I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen..” Why do Christian’s abandon the word of God?
”So I [Zechariah] pastured the flock doomed for slaughter, truly [as the name implies] the most miserable of sheep. And I took two [shepherd’s] staffs, the one I called Favor (Grace) and the other I called Union (Bonds); so I pastured the flock. Then I eliminated the three [incompetent, unfit] shepherds [the civil rulers, the priests, and the prophets] in one month, for I was impatient with them, and they also were tired of me and despised me. So I said, “I will not pasture you. What is to die, let it die, and what is to be destroyed, let it be destroyed; and let the survivors devour one another’s flesh.” I took my staff, Favor, and broke it in pieces, breaking the covenant which I had made with all the peoples. So the covenant was broken on that day, and thus the most wretched of the flock who were watching me realized that it was the word of the Lord. I said to them, “If it seems good to you, give me my wages; but if not, do not.” So they weighed out thirty pieces of silver as my wages. Then the Lord said to me, “Throw it to the potter [as if to the dogs]-that magnificent sum at which I am valued by them!” So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them to the potter in the house of the Lord. Then I broke my second staff, Union, into pieces to break the brotherhood between Judah (the Southern Kingdom) and Israel (the Northern Kingdom).“ Zechariah 11:7-14 AMP 30 pieces of silver, sound familiar?
Well his father probably wasn't a religious Jew. Any religious Jew can easily refute what he is talking about. Isaiah 53 the Jewish people are not speaking. The Kings of Nations were speaking. From Isaiah 42 up to Isaiah 53 it continuously says who that servant is. People need to understand what the term "Messiah" means. It simply means anointed, the anointed one that the Jewish people are waiting for is described as a MAN that will establish Gods kingdom and bring world peace, there will be a worldwide knowledge of God, and everyone will speak in a pure tongue. After the death of Jesus there has been more war, and there are so many religions it's insane and people don't speak a pure language.
"Moses and Jesus were Muslim" Sorry but that is not true no matter how you try to spin it. Islam wasn't founded until 700 hundred of years after Jesus. Now, regarding the rabbi's comment about Jesus "saying Abba why hast thou forsaken me?" Jesus wasn't complaining, but was quoting Psalms 22, which the Jewish people around would have known very well. So even in his most agonizing moments, Jesus was teaching the people around him. The rabbi either isn't familiar with Psalms 22, or he is just being dishonest in that being the reason Isaiah 53 supposedly isn't about Jesus. The Godhead is God the Father, God the Son and The Holy Ghost. Why else would God say in Genesis 1:26 "Let us make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness"?
@@darkness2noor Abraham was born around 1813 BCE and according to the first five books of the Bible, God chose Abraham to be the father of Isaac, the founder of the Jewish people. Abraham is considered the first Jew. This is the faith that Moses preached to his people, which God elaborated on with the ten commandments, and the Mosaic Laws that followed. The first persons in the Old Testament to be referred to as a Jew are the nameless Jews in 2 Kings chapters 16-25. But to your point, the term Islam is nowhere to be found in the bible and, again, wasn't established until more than 700 years after Jesus.
God ceased from holding Jews as His chosen people after the last straw of denial of Jesus's divinity when they stoned Steven. Now am I saying that God condemned them as a people from then on? No. What I an saying though is that He left them to their freedom of choice to, again, violently deny Jesus as the son of the One true living God, the Messiah. As they said at Jesus's trial, "let His blood be upon us and out children"....what a prophetic saying, but as a two-edged sword.
according to Jewish Theologian Rabbi and scholars said Isa 53 has nothing to do with Jesus . Christian consider Jesus as God and son of God but Isa 53 was talking about HUMAN being SERVANT of God who will have seed children and Jesus has no children . christian bible Isa 53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in ( his death) ; because he had done no violence, neither was my deceit in his mouth. Jewish bible Isa 53:9 And they made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich (his tomb) ; although he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. Christian missionary changed (his tomb o his high places to his death) they corrupted the original Hebrew after translating it to sound like crucifixion !! Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall ( my righteous servant ) justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. ( Jesus for christians was god not servant of God and the verse is taking about servant of God and according to the jew the servant of God is Israel as you read in Isa 41:8 But thou, ( Israel, art my servant, Jacob) whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend. Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he ( shall see his seed,) he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. ( Jesus has no seed because he never got married and he has no children Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; (Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him) in the midst of you , as ye yourselves also know: My Servant means Israel : Isa 41:8 But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend. Isa 41:9 Thou whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called thee from the chief men thereof, and said unto thee, Thou art my servant; I have chosen thee, and not cast thee away. Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. Isa 44:1 Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant; and Israel, whom I have chosen: Isa 44:21 Remember these, O Jacob and Israel; for thou art my servant: I have formed thee; thou art my servant: O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten of me. Isa 45:4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me. Isa 48:20 Go ye forth of Babylon, flee ye from the Chaldeans, with a voice of singing declare ye, tell this, utter it even to the end of the earth; say ye, The LORD hath redeemed his servant Jacob.Hate unbeliever
@@1541965 John 1:1, John 1:18, John 20:28. Why do you lie? John 20:28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” By the way, it's Kyrios, not Keryos. Thomas called Jesus hid GOD and Jesus didn't rebuke him at all. John 20:29 Jesus says Thomas is blessed. Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed;(A) blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed Stop listening to Zakir Naik, it is bad for you.
@Elyas Khalil zakir Naik, is that you? Thomas said MY Lord and My God and Jesus didn't rebuke. There is no context other then the fact that Jesus let Thomas call Him God. You can try to explain it away but the fact is that Jesus accepted Thomas his words! Jesus is my God and my Lord!
@@MU-we8hz You are the one who lie about the Jewish Tanakh to impose Jesus and trinity on the Jew. John 20:28 Christian disagree on this verse and have textual differences textual variant for this verse said Masted Keryos MSG Thomas said, “My Master! My God!” John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Joh 1:1 & Gen 1:1 both said in the beginning question which was in the beginning the word or created the Heaven and Earth ? ( we have CONTRADICTION ) Gen 1:3 God created the light by his WORD COMMAND LET BE and IT WAS like in the Quran. God said in Gen 1:1 in the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth by giving his WORD COMMAND LET BE and IT WAS exactly like he created the light in Gen 1:3 by giving his WORD COMMAND LET BE and IT WAS. So in Joh 1:1 in the beginning was the WORD COMMAND of God which means his COMMAND because the first thing he created by his WORD COMMAND was the Heaven and Earth . The meaning of the WORD according to the above verses is God's COMMAND LET BE AND IT WAS . In the beginning was the word question for you in the beginning of what was the word ? if you say in the beginning of the creation that means the word is creation that created in beginning of all creations . In the beginning was the word . if The word is equal to God and the word has beginning that means the word has an end because every beginning has an End and God is Eternal has no beginning and no End ? jhon1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (Question did the word die ? Jesus die for 3 days and he was the word does that mean God was without word for 3 days? In the beginning was used several times in the Bible in the NT and it doesn’t mean eternity but is to be understood as the beginning of subject matter. The same word in Greek ar-khay G746 such as Joh 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning. Joh 16:4 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you. In the beginning doesn’t mean eternity because eternity in Greek means : Khronos-chronos G5550 eternal forever everlasting Rom 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: Ahee-o-nee-os G116 times eternal Tit 1:2 in hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised before times eternal; in the beginning was the word why the Word start with capital W ? Is there Capital in Greek ?
Torah is and will always be the root. And you will always need a strong root for the Tree of Abrahamic Faith. To deny that is to deny G-d that planted that root that was created for the Jewish people and for all of us. Jesus is not the root, nor Mohammed. They are branches. G-d and G-d alone is the root.
The root of what? Have you read and not understand? Everything in the Torah points to Jesus. Jesus Himself confirmed what I said above Luke 24:44 Then He said, “Everything I told you while I was with you comes to this: All the things written about me in the Law of Moses, in the Prophets, and in the Psalms have to be fulfilled.”. John 5:46 "If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me."
I can study it before i will be able to debate. But i am a jew, and i will never ever ever listen to any of this jesus nonsense. I've experienced enough to be convinced for ever and ever and ever that jesus was nothing more than one of the false messiahs. I agree with shmully boteach. And maybe much much more.
Isaiah 53 was considered to be referring to the Messiah until Jesus came. Then Rabbis changed their understanding because they would have to acknowledge that Jesus fulfilled it if they didn't. The popular Jewish belief today, that it refers to Israel is laughable. By oppression and judgment he was taken away; and as for his generation, who considered that he was cut off out of the land of the living, stricken for the transgression of my people? Isaiah 53:8 ESV Israel was stricken for the transgression of Israel? How can sinful people collectively serve as a sacrificial lamb in atonement for their own sins? How can that same sacrificial lamb be unblemished and without sin?
Bible is written very very long ago. Bible is written by 40 people. Quran was copied from bible... History itself is the proof. Quran didn't even existed before Mohammed.
It's amazing to see a Jew be so passionate about Jesus when it is the Jew who has suffered more than anyone by the sword of the Christian. It would also help if this "Jew" had read all of Isiah. Israel in the singular is called God's servant throughout Isaiah, both explicitly (Isa. 41:8-9; 44:1-2; 45:4; 48:20; 49:3) and implicitly (Isa. 42:19-20; 43:10) - the Messiah is not. Other references to Israel as God's servant include Jer. 30:10 (note that in Jer. 30:17, the servant Israel is regarded by the nations as an outcast, forsaken by God, as in Isa. 53:4); Jer. 46:27-28; Ps. 136:22; Lk. 1:54. ALSO: Given the Christian view that Jesus is God, is God His own servant? Furthermore, Isaiah 53 talks about the servant in both past and future tense. How can Jesus be in the past tense when Isiah lived long before Jesus was born (if he existed).
Please pray for me. I’m still trusting in God even though I’m struggling putting groceries in the refrigerator for my two children. My faith is what is getting me through my situation. I’m struggling to providing for my two autistic children since losing my job over declining the vaccine. I declined due to my pre existing health condition (Lupus) and Heart disease. I was denied my medical/religious exemption from Forsyth Hospital. My husband passed away three years ago, I’m a single mother. I’m all alone. Every month is a struggle, a battle to not end up on the streets. I’m so depressed and embarrassed by my situation. I’ve been put down and mocked because of my circumstances. BUT Even as I face homelessness with two young children. I know that God will carry me through and provide abundantly. Thank you Jesus thank you Heavenly Father.
Jesus is NOT God and he did not die for your sins… bible says: Psalm 40: 6 In sacrifice and offering you have not delighted, but you have given me an open ear. Burnt offering and sin offering you have not required. Deuteronomy 24:16 Parents are not to be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their parents; each will die for their own sin. Ezekiel 18:20 The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them. A proof from the bible that Jesus never died the sign of prophet Jonah (see Jonah 2) Jesus speaks here and says in Matthew 12: 40 For AS Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so shall the Son of man three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Prophet Jonah never died in the belly of the great fish that is the miracle of Jonah. The text says explicitly For AS Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, SO SHALL the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. What is the miracle of Jonah? The people of Ninevine thought he was dead, but was he? Do you think Jesus died? Conclusion Jesus did NOT die for this would contradict his own prophecy. In Genesis 22 we read about the so-called sacrifice of Abraham and his son Isaac. That according to the Christians is an omen of the Father and son (Jesus). Gen 22:6 He took the wood for the sacrifice, and laid it on the shoulders of Isaac his sonne, and tooke the fire and the knife. The omen here would be that Isaac carries the wood on his back to the place where he is to be sacrificed by his father. Just as Jesus carried the wood on his back to be sacrificed. Unfortunately I have to help you out of this fairy tale by naming the entire omen. Again like Prophet Jonah we also see that Isaac did not die then. Read Genesis 22:11&12. This is now the second time that an omen has been given that Jesus did not actually die but was saved. We read in Hebrews 5:7 During his life on earth Christ, with tears and with a loud voice, pleaded and prayed to Him who could save him from death, and was heard because of his deep awe of God. This is a reference from Psalm 118 a Massianic text that clearly states that he did not die. Also Psalm 31:23 while in my anguish I thought; I am banished from thine sight thou hast indeed answered my loud supplications when I cried unto thee for help. (this does not sound familiar, read the psalms yourself). In Gethsemane Luke 22:41And He withdrew from them about a stone's throw away, and knelt down and prayed 42these words: Father, if thou wilt, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done! The cup represents the crucifixion which he clearly does not want. So the claim that Jesus is a voluntary sacrifice has disappeared as we see here and in Heb 5:7. Yes knock he says the will of the father for He is the only true God ( John 17:3) out of humility as a servant of God Jesus says this. This does not mean that he does want to be crucified. Furthermore, in Psalm 31 we read what according to the Jewish and Christian consensus about the Messiah is that yes, he is saved, but read the psalm itself in its entirety. Verse 23 While in my anguish I thought, I am banished from thine sight Thou hast heard my loud supplications, When I cried to Thee for help. Read Psalm 116 this is clearly about Jesus in Gethsemane and about his mother Mary. Another Massian psalm. Supplication to be saved from death and heard/saved from death. You can read it yourself. The Jews say for a reason: Jesus cannot be the massias because he has died and our scriptures say that the massias will not die until he reigns. In John 11:41They took the stone away. Jesus looked up and said, "Father, thank you for answering my prayer. 42 I know that YOU ALWAYS hear Me, but I want the people here to believe that You sent Me. That is why I say this.” So Jesus clearly indicates that his prayers are always answered. Unfortunately, if you say that Jesus is not saved from the crucifixion, you are making him a liar. We read in Matthew 4 and in Luke 4 10 After all, it says in the Books: God will send his angels to protect you. 11 They will bear thee in their hands, and thou shalt not stumble.” The devil was referring directly to Psalm 91:11&12 here and Jesus does not deny that this psalm is about him. On the contrary if you read further. Furthermore, we know that the consensus of Jewish and Christian scholars attributes this psalm to De Massiach. Read the entire psalm yourself (short psalm) and you will understand why the Jews believe that Ha Massiach will not die. Verse 15 He will call on me, and I will hear him in trouble, I will be with him, I will deliver him and glorify him. (sounds familiar Gethsemane, Hebrews 5:7). John 19:33 But when they came to Jesus and saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs. Psalm 34:21 He guards all his bones, not one of them is broken. Again, I ask you to read the entire rather short psalm in which God indicates that he will hear his righteous people and deliver them from all their afflictions. (exactly what Jesus did). But of course not according to the Christians, because Jesus had to pay the fine and take on the curse. Psalm 34:23 The Lord save the lives of his servants, Whoever takes refuge in him will NEVER pay. (except Jesus who had to pay according to Christian theology this would contradict the entire psalm which is Massianic). Psalm 20 is a short Massianic Psalm that states in verse 7: Now I know that the LORD redeems His anointed! He will hear him from His holy heaven, with mighty deeds of salvation at his right hand. Here is anointed in English Anointed , Greek Christos , Hebrew Massiach, Arabic massih. From what would he have redeemed His massias, what did Jesus ask for? He will hear him ( Gatsamene Hebrews 5:7). I am not making up these psalms, do your research, it is mostly the Christians themselves who claim that these are Massian references. Only they have the habit of not taking the entire context with them. Nu zal u zeggen deze psalmen gaan over David. Maar wanneer het u uitkomt om profetieën toe te wijzen aan Jezus leest u zelf de gehele contexten niet. Psalm 22 gaat ook over David in eerste instantie en vers 16 is bewust verkeert vertaalt kijk maar naar het zelfde vers in psalm 22:16 masoretische tekst . Psalm 22:16 christelijke versie: For dogs encompass me; a company of evildoers encircles me; they have pierced my hands and feet Psalm 22:16 Joodse versie: For dogs have surrounded me; a band of evildoers has encompassed me, like a lion, my hands and feet. Now you will say these psalms are about David. But when it suits you to assign prophecies to Jesus, you don't read the entire contexts yourself. Psalm 22 is also about David in the first instance and verse 16 is deliberately wrong translated just look at the same verse in psalm 22:16 masoretic text. Psalm 22:16 Christian Version: For dogs encompass me; a company of evildoers encircles me; they have pierced my hands and feet Psalm 22:16 Jewish Version: For dogs have surrounded me; a band of evildoers has encompassed me, like a lion, my hands and feet. Isaiah 7:14 is not about Jesus if you read the context Verse 14 is again wrongly translated the word virgin (almah) does not occur in the Masoretic text it says Betula which means young woman. Ditto for Isaiah 53 if the context is read this is not about Jesus. So who is lying then the Jewish or the Christian scholars? All alarm bells should go off for Christians when we see Isaiah 53 and Psalm 22:16 nines being named by Paul or the gospel writers.
נִבְזֶה֙ וַֽחֲדַ֣ל אִישִׁ֔ים "Despised and isolated from men." (Isaiah 53:3) This doesn’t fit into the NT accounts of Jesus, a man who was supposedly "praised by all" (Lk. 4:14-15) and followed by multitudes (Matt. 4:25), who would later acclaim him as a prophet upon his triumphal entry into Jerusalem (Matt. 21:9-11). Even as he was taken to be crucified, a multitude bemoaned his fate (Lk. 23:27). Jesus had to be taken by stealth, as the rulers feared "a riot of the people" (Mk. 14:1-2). 2. אִ֥ישׁ מַכְאֹב֖וֹת וִיד֣וּעַ חֹ֑לִי “…a man of pains and accustomed to sickness (or disease/illness)…” (Isaiah 53:3) Yet, the Christian translation reads: “and accustomed or acquainted with grief” This point is very important. Choli/חולי in Hebrew has nothing to do with “grief”!! Choli is a disease or sickness ! There are actually words in ancient Hebrew that express “grief”, such as “יגון” or “תוגה” (Proverbs 10:1, 14:13; Lamentations 3:32). Choli, however, only expresses disease and illness, chronic or not. Proof, you ask? In fact, until this very verse in Isaiah, and even in Isaiah itself, Christian Bibles correctly translated the word as disease or illness, countless times! As in, “The writing of Hezekiah king of Judah, when he had been sick, and was recovered of his sickness. (Isaiah 38:9) 🤔 Don’t take my word for it, and check it out for yourself. The following verses express this exact, correct translation: Deuteronomy 7:15; 7:15; 28:59; 28:59; 28:59; 28:61; 28:61 1 Kings 17:17 2 Kings 1:2; 8:8; 8:9; 13:14 2 Chronicles 16:12; 21:15; 21:15; 21:18; 21:19 Psalms 41:4 Ecclesiastes 5:16; 5:16; 6:2 Suddenly, in order to make Jesus more palatable to Isaiah 53, it’s translated as “grief”. (1) Jesus was never “ill” or “sick” with any illness, let alone to have endured chronic illness !! (2) From a purely speculative point of view, even if we accept the lie of “grief”, it still makes no sense to define Jesus as “accustomed or acquainted with grief” ! Jesus’ life can hardly be defined as chronically plagued with “grief”. Besides a few instances of the grief he felt for others, or his death, his “grief” was not extraordinary, persistent and/or significant enough to be coined as “accustomed”. 3. וְלֹ֣א יִפְתַּח־פִּיו֒ כַּשֶּׂה֙ לַטֶּ֣בַח יוּבָ֔ל וּכְרָחֵ֕ל לִפְנֵ֥י גֹֽזְזֶ֖יהָ נֶֽאֱלָ֑מָה וְלֹ֥א יִפְתַּ֖ח פִּֽיו: “…yet he would not open his mouth; like a lamb to the slaughter he would be brought, and like a ewe that is mute before her shearers, and he would not open his mouth.” (Isaiah 53:7) There is a precedent in the Bible for remaining silent in the face of harsh judgment, as in, “Then Moses said to Aaron, "This is what the Lord spoke, [when He said], 'I will be sanctified through those near to Me, and before all the people I will be glorified.' " And Aaron was silent. (Leviticus 10:3) Aharon’s two sons were killed suddenly in the midst of a great celebration, the inauguration of the tabernacle, yet, Aharon accepted the judgment and spoke, not a word. This is starkly contrasted with Jesus’ response: After Jesus was arrested in the Garden of Gethsemane, the high priest questioned Jesus, saying, “Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?” Jesus responded, not with silence, or humbly, rather, with provocation; He said: “I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven” (Mark 14:61-62). Jesus then was sent to Pilate, where He was asked another question about His identity, “Are You the King of the Jews?” As he had done earlier that night, He did not keep SILENCE, but answered Pilate with these words: “It is as you say” (Mark 15:2). Even while hanging on the cross a few hours later, Jesus made several statements, including, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do” (Luke 23:34), and “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?” (Mark 15:34). Even if we say that “keeping silent” is at least fulfilled through humility and a limitation of speech, Jesus not only spoke up, he even boasted, and, as well, expressed confusion at the cross regarding God’s judgment, as in, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?” (Mark 15:34). Besides the fact that God can’t forsake his “other person”, questioning God’s judgment which allegedly brought “world peace and everlasting atonement” is hardly the place for such impertinent words. Thus, both his trial and execution were tainted with defective speech. Conclusion: Jesus did not remain “silent” and aligned with Divine judgement which contradicts the attitude expressed by the servant of God in this verse. 4. This next point is perhaps the most unambiguous refutation of the claim that Isaiah 53 is speaking uniquely of a messianic figure. כִּ֚י נִגְזַר֙ מֵאֶ֣רֶץ חַיִּ֔ים מִפֶּ֥שַׁע עַמִּ֖י נֶ֥גַע לָֽמוֹ “…He [the servant] was cut off from the land of the living, because of the transgressions of my people THEY were stricken”. (Isaiah 53:8) Yet, Christian translate it as, “…HE was stricken.” Who was stricken, THEY or He ? Now, the last part of the verse tells us that this “servant” was “stricken”, yet, in the Hebrew, it refers to the servant in the plural, “THEY were stricken”. It cannot be translated as, “he was stricken”, as a Christian Bible would have you believe. (We will get into that shortly) This absolutely annihilates the Christian interpretation of chapter 53, and entirely supports the traditional interpretation, which teaches that “the servant” of the Lord, is Israel, and more particularly, “the righteous remnant of Israel”, they are the ones who suffer on behalf of others. They are collectively known as “Jacob Israel”, the righteous servant, in the singular, for they are united with one heart in the service of God, it’s as if there is only one entity; thus, we find that the nation is referred to many times in Scripture in the singular (Exodus 12:2, among the many). Yet, it is totally justified, and most proper, to also refer to them in the plural, on account of their being composed of many individuals, for the nation of Israel is mentioned, as well, in the plural. (One of the best examples, again, is Exodus 12:2, where, in the very same verse, they are referred to both in plural and singular) To clarify: The word למו/lamo, literally means either “to or for them”. It’s composed of a ״ל״ “lamed”, a preposition which translates roughly as “to” or “for”, and “״מו, pronounced “Mo or Moo”, a less frequent form of the objective pronoun for “them”. Shockingly, Christian translations of the Bible never fail to interpret every other instance of this objective pronoun in the plural except here! For example: Genesis 9:26-27; Exodus 15:5,7,9; Deuteronomy 32:32, 35; Deuteronomy 33:2. (It appears several times in Isaiah itself !) Isaiah 23:1, 26:14,16, 30:5, 35:8, 43:8, 44:7, 15, 48:21; and the list goes on… Dozens of times, they translate it as it should be translated, yet, only here, they chose to alter and singularize it; quite astonishing! 5. וַיִּתֵּ֚ן אֶת־רְשָׁעִים֙ קִבְר֔וֹ וְאֶת־עָשִׁ֖יר בְּמֹתָ֑יו “And he gave his grave to the wicked, and to the wealthy [he subjected himself] in HIS DEATHS…” (Isaiah 53:9) What does it mean to give your grave to the wicked ? To let them kill you as they please, in the most degrading fashion. The next part of the verse is very cumbersome for the Christian understanding, as it states, “and to the wealthy in HIS DEATHS”, in the plural, which means that he let himself be subjected to all kinds of deaths that a wealthy ruler decreed. In which ever way you translate it, even according to the Christian translation, there is one word that you cannot get around, for the verse uses the plural בְּמֹתָ֑יו/BeMotav, literally, in his deaths, implying a whole variety of deaths. This is utterly inapplicable to Jesus, yet, makes total sense when speaking of the righteous remnant of Israel, composed of many individuals. 6. יִרְאֶ֥ה זֶ֖רַע יַֽאֲרִ֣יךְ יָמִ֑ים “…he shall see children, he shall prolong his days…” (Isaiah 53:10) Jesus allegedly had no children, and certainly did not prolong his days. Despite the fact that a “prolongation of days” should not apply to God in any way.
Regarding the objection about Jesus being "despised and isolated from men," it is important to note that while Jesus did have a following, he also faced significant opposition and rejection from religious leaders and certain segments of society. Notably, Jesus was even abandoned by his twelve disciples, with the exception of John, during his arrest and trial, reinforcing the idea of isolation and desertion depicted in Isaiah 53. In response to the objection about the translation of "choli" as "grief," it is significant to consider that the Hebrew word can have a broader connotation beyond just physical illness. In other scriptural instances, such as in Psalm 25:17, "choli" is used to express distress, trouble, or grief, without explicitly referring to sickness. This highlights the versatility of the term and supports the interpretation of "grief" in the context of Isaiah 53, capturing the depth of suffering experienced by the servant. While it is true that Jesus did speak during his trials and crucifixion, it is crucial to understand that the silence mentioned in Isaiah 53:7 goes beyond literal muteness. It symbolizes the servant's submission to suffering and unjust judgment without protest or retaliation. Jesus' overall attitude of humility and acceptance of God's plan, even in the face of adversity, is exemplified by his remaining silent when questioned by Pilate, aligning with the overarching theme of the servant's silence in Isaiah 53. As for the objection concerning the plural form in Isaiah 53:8, there are reasons to consider an alternative understanding of the servant as a singular person. Firstly, within the same chapter, the Hebrew word "hu" is used multiple times to refer specifically to the servant, indicating an individual focus. Additionally, the word rendered as plural in Isaiah 53:8, "mowt," is grammatically neutral and can be interpreted as either singular or plural. This linguistic ambiguity leaves room for understanding the suffering servant as a singular figure rather than exclusively a group. When considering the broader context of the New Testament and the identification of Jesus as the suffering servant who fulfilled the prophecy, many individuals see compelling reasons to interpret Isaiah 53 as referring to a singular person rather than exclusively a collective group. The phrase "gave his grave to the wicked" in Isaiah 53:9 implies that the servant willingly allowed himself to be subjected to the most degrading and cruel treatment at the hands of the wicked. This description finds striking fulfillment in Jesus' crucifixion, where he willingly endured immense suffering and humiliation, including flogging, mockery, and ultimately being nailed to a cross. Jesus' voluntary sacrifice exemplifies the servant's surrender to the wicked and is a powerful testament to his love and selflessness. The metaphorical use of "seed" is not limited to a literal interpretation in biblical texts. For example, in Genesis 3:15, the seed of the woman is a reference to the future descendant who will crush the serpent's head, pointing to a messianic fulfillment. Similarly, in Isaiah 61:11, the "seed" refers to the offspring or spiritual heirs of the servant, signifying the ongoing impact and growth of his redemptive work. These examples demonstrate that "seed" can be understood metaphorically, supporting the interpretation of the servant's seed as representing the spiritual legacy and influence of Jesus beyond his physical existence.
God promised israel he kept his promise thats all rabi ask the lord to let understand who is jesus yes jesus said why have you forsaken me it is in psalm 22 he is telling them that the prophecy is coming throgh you did not mention psalm 22 because you see the reason when he was on the cross
Can someone explain? In Isaiah 53:10 it says "he shall see his offspring", why does this imply he has an offspring? To be fair, other translations says "his seed". Any explanation?
Seed equals offspring, offspring is just an easier to understand word. The Hebrew word is zera which you will find applied to Abraham's seed (offspring) Eves seed (offspring) etc., it is the same word in plural or singular, so you can have one zera (seed offspring) or many. For the messiah to see his zera (seed offspring), he must have some.
@@Srhyle yes, i think it does. i can't think of any reason it would not. It seems that everywhere it is mentioned it applies to physical offspring. (Abraham, Eve, Haggar, Onan, David, etc.) In Genesis, the snake in the garden of eden is said to have zera and also the messiah is said to have zera (he will see his offspring). I think it follows that these also are physical offspring. I dont know Hebrew of course, but it is something i have also been looking at for a few days.
@@AB-bm2ip Well, I did do a quick research and nope it does NOT always mean biological children especially in this context. ``` In the context of Isaiah 53:10, the phrase “his seed” or “his offspring” does not necessarily refer to biological children. Let’s explore this further: The Hebrew word used in Isaiah 53:10 for “seed” is “zera” (זֶרַע). This word has a broader range of meanings beyond biological descendants. It can also signify: The royal race: For instance, in 2 Kings 11:1 and 1 Kings 11:14, “zera” refers to the royal lineage. A race of people: In other contexts (such as Isaiah 1:4, 6:13, 57:4, and 65:23), it denotes a group of people, not necessarily biological offspring. Metaphorical application: Biblical language often employs metaphors. In the case of Isaiah 53, the context suggests metaphorical usage. For example: Isaiah 53:5 speaks of healing through the suffering servant’s stripes. This is metaphorical, representing spiritual salvation rather than physical healing. Isaiah 53:7 compares the suffering servant to a lamb, emphasizing sacrificial aspects. Verse 11 provides clarity: Immediately following Isaiah 53:10, verse 11 states, “He shall see the fruit of the travail of his soul… many to be accounted righteous.” This indicates that the “offspring” or “seed” refers to spiritual descendants, not necessarily biological ones. ```
@@davidcollvins1061 This new spirit will motivate the Jewish nation to look towards G-d concerning those Jews (collective Jewish Martyrs) (see Hosea 11:1 for the Jewish people described as him. See Ex.1 etc. verbs of oppression in singular. Cf. Deut 32, Hos 8:3 and Ex. 19:2) who have been killed in battle prior to G-d's divine intervention in fighting our adversaries. All the inhabitants of Jerusalem will mourn. This has obviously not yet been fulfilled, now or when the Roman soldier looked at Jesus. This understanding is validated by the scriptural description that this mourning in Jerusalem would be "like the mourning of Hadadrimmom in the Valley of Magiddo." This refers to the death of King Josiah who was killed in battle with Pharaoh Neco (2 Kings 23:29-30). After his death all of Judah and Jerusalem mourned for him (2 Chron 35:22-25). In the same way that the Jews mourned over King Josiah who died in battle so too will the Jewish people in the future mourn over their war dead.
......and yet we don't know who wrote Isaiah which is kind of sad and funny at the same time. Please may I ask what convinced you to think that there is a supernatural world in the face of a utter lack of good evidence to support such a claim? Thanks Gray
@@darkness2noor You are incorrect, what evidence, the trees? Are you going Ray Comfort look at the birds and bugs? I've done more than ponder and there is no good evidence for the 'claimed' supernatural. What do you believe and the more important 'why'. Who convinced you and how old were you to believe whatever you now do?
Probably you're using words to define it. You should not look for a supernatural rather try to look for extensions in pockets. There are pockets of anomalies and you should really invest some money into travelling and researching that anomaly a bit. This investment gives you more honesty in your attempt.
@@alhassani626 I take it that your reply is a humorous message? I don't see the joke myself, so maybe it's an 'inside' joke. I guess you could get on a bus or a train and ask for a ticket to the, "extensions in the pockets of the anomalies" Maybe you are referencing something in the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU)? Maybe you are serious and in that case you might need some medical help because I've never heard of 'extensions in the pockets of the anomalies'. I've heard of forgotten toffees in the pockets of old pairs of jeans. However, if you extended your jeans pockets you would never reach in there for the bus fair to the lost anomalies! I have no idea what you are trying to say. Keep well.
Islam teaches us God is one Worship Him alone. He is not American God, Arabic God, Hindu God, Jewish God. He is God of all Mankind. Please do not monopolize GOD and demonize others.
Muhammad is equal to Allah according to the Quran: 4:80 Whoever obeys the messenger has truly obeyed allah. (This means obedience to Muhammad is obedience to Allah.) 33:36 It is not for a believing man or woman-when Allah and His Messenger decree a matter-to have any other choice in that matter. Indeed, whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has clearly gone ˹far˺ astray. 4:64 We only sent messengers to be obeyed by Allah’s Will. If only those ˹hypocrites˺ came to you ˹O Prophet˺-after wronging themselves-seeking Allah’s forgiveness and the Messenger prayed for their forgiveness, they would have certainly found Allah ever Accepting of Repentance, Most Merciful. (Condition to go to Muhammad and he prays for them and then they would find Allah merciful) 4:65 But no! By your Lord, they will never be ˹true˺ believers until they accept you ˹O Prophet˺ as the judge in their disputes, and find no resistance within themselves against your decision and submit wholeheartedly. (Submit to Muhammad) Obeying Muhammad is obeying Allah that means Muhammad's obedience is being associated with Allah. To be a true Muslim you must say that Muhammad is the messenger, not just bear witness there's no God but Allah. Where does it say in the Quran the followers of Moses were commanded to bear witness there's no god by Allah and Moses is his messenger? The Muslims worship the black stone. You must travel to see it, you must pray facing it, you must kiss it, you must walk around it. The stone forgives your sins. The stone will speak for you. This is pagan worship which is forbidden in the Bible. Don't Muslims believe the Quran is eternal? That would mean this book is God. Christians had the beliefs before their book was written. Islam has it backwards, the book first, then the beliefs. Islam teaches three gods: Allah, the Quran and the black stone. Also, Muhammad. Four. The Bible teaches there is one God in three persons. The Word of God became flesh. God can come down into his creation and take on a human form. God is all powerful. There is nothing he can't do. Do not stumble over the stumbling stone.
