With all due respect, you are incorrect. Isaiah 53 has never been about Jesus. G-d in chapters prior to Isaiah 53 identifies Israel, as His servant (Isaiah 49:3 "And He said to me, "You are My servant, Israel, about whom I will boast;"" Isaiah 45:4 "For the sake of My servant Jacob, and Israel My chosen one, and I called to you by your name; I surnamed you, yet you have not known Me;" etc.) Therefore, it cannot be the Jews who are talking in Isaiah 53, lamenting about how they mistreated themselves. The ones speaking are actually the foreign rulers/kings who have been mistreating the diaspora Jews dwelling among them, as alluded to in the last verse of Isaiah 52, the previous chapter, "So shall he [Israel] cast down many nations; kings shall shut their mouths because of him, for, what had not been told them they saw, and [at] what they had not heard they gazed."
@@cinesanti7 I agree. I think of Christians as beloved younger half brothers and half sisters. But their interpretation of Isaiah 53 is often taken out of context. And as you pointed out, the reading of Isaiah 52 (and 54) clarifies the context. Rabbi Tovia Singer has a formidable knowledge of comparative religion and he explains this in the attached video for those with an open mind and willing to listen. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IIY-UDGwzQg.html
David Gray, do you know exactly what the meaning of the Lamb of the Jewish Passover is??? Christians are used to call their "savior" (Jesus) the Lamb of G-d, making an analogy to the Passover lamb. Well, here is a true fact: the lamb that G-d commended the Israelites to kill in Egypt for the first Passover (book of Exodus) represented the killing of idolatry amongst the Israelites in Egypt. The lamb was the animal that the Egyptians worshiped as "god". So, The G-d of Israel told His people to kill the lamb, and paint their door posts with the lamb's blood, with the great risk of the Egyptians finding out and destroying the entire Israelite people for killing the worshipped lamb (idolatry), but it would be that courageous act of the Israelites that would save the first-borns of each house that had blood in the door. G-d was about to send the plague of killing all e first-born children in Egypt. Remember who is the first-born son of G-d 👇 Exodus 4:22 22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh: Thus saith the LORD: ISRAEL IS MY SON, MY FIRST-BORN. The way that G-d SAVED Israel from this plague (killing of the first-born) was exactly by KILLING THE IDOLATRY SYMBOL (the lamb) AND DISPLAYING ITS BLOOD PUBLICLY IN THE FACE OF THE EGYPTIANS. G-D WAS SAYING THE FOLLOWING TO HIS PEOPLE: "I WILL SAVE YOU IF YOU KILL THE IDOLATRY AMONGST YOU AND SHOW IT TO EVERYONE... DO NOT FEAR, BECAUSE I (G-D) AM WITH YOU". Therefore, the lamb of the Passover represents the "killing of idolatry", and consequently the redemption of the Israelites. The lamb of Passover is not a sacrifice to atone for anyone's sin whatsoever. I feel sorry if your belief is based on a misconception created by somebody else in the past. I understand that it is not your fault that this concept of "Lamb of G-d" is completely wrong according to your theological view. But it is never late to correct our mistakes and wrong beliefs. I hope I clarified at least the meaning of the Passover lamb for you. I wish you wisdom and peace. Shalom! 🇮🇱❤️
When u read Isaiah 53. Its about our Father Jesus, his Love and Sacrifice. He changed everything for our spirits. Forgive us Lord and have mercy on us. We love you and thank you for your grace and glory
With all due respect, you are incorrect. Isaiah 53 has never been about Jesus. G-d in chapters prior to Isaiah 53 identifies Israel, as His servant (Isaiah 49:3 "And He said to me, "You are My servant, Israel, about whom I will boast;"" Isaiah 45:4 "For the sake of My servant Jacob, and Israel My chosen one, and I called to you by your name; I surnamed you, yet you have not known Me;" etc.) Therefore, it cannot be the Jews who are talking in Isaiah 53, lamenting about how they mistreated themselves. The ones speaking are actually the foreign rulers/kings who have been mistreating the diaspora Jews dwelling among them, as alluded to in the last verse of Isaiah 52, the previous chapter, "So shall he [Israel] cast down many nations; kings shall shut their mouths because of him, for, what had not been told them they saw, and [at] what they had not heard they gazed."
Israel is not the suffering servant. OneForIsrael made a good video on it. Y'all are just Antichrist and against Jesus because of your yuck Talmud. I'm Ashkenazi and proclaim Yeshua as the King of the Yehudi.
Even if we ignore previous and after verses identifying the servant as Israel, each verse on its own in chapter 53 can prove that it CANNOT be JC. The confusion stems from Xtian translations that butchered this entire chapter. There are many indications in the chapter itself that the servant MUST be a plural people, and not a singular person. Hence cannot be JC. Every metaphor in ch53 referring to the servant is found all throughout the torah as referring to the nation of IL. Take for example verse 2: "He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground." This same exact metaphor has been used throughout the bible with clear context referring to Jewels as a whole. (Hosea 14:6-7, Amos 9:15, Isaiah 60:21, Ezekiel 19:13, psalms 80:9-16, etc.) watch these two lectures you will have no more doubts. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_TeOtzTaAco.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-VkmBy1WoLaQ.html
Explanation from Tree of Life Ministry Throughout chapter 41 until chapter 53 of Isaiah, it is spoken about two servants, one is Israel, and the other one is the Messiah. You can see very clearly the distinction between them throughout these chapters. In Isaiah 52, for example, it is clearly talking about the Messiah and the final redemption He will bring. Check Isaiah 52:7 where it says that salvation will come and: "Your God reigns". In verse 9 it continues saying that God will redeem Jerusalem (Messianic redemption), and finally, in verse 10 it describes the Messianic redemption. Furthermore, even the Jewish Sages in the Midrash Tanchuma affirm that Isaiah 52:13 is speaking about the Messiah. Isaiah 53 cannot be talking about Israel because it says in verse 5 that "upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace and by his wounds we are healed". Did the nations who exterminate Jewish people received peace from God and were healed for doing that? Certainly not. "We" and "us" here clearly pointed to the Israelites, there is no way Isaiah a Jewish prophet could ever speaking for the Gentiles. This once again proves that Isaiah 53 was not speaking about Israel. The interpretation that Isaiah 53 is about Israel was created by the Rabbis only to prevent Jewish people from believing in Yeshua as the Messiah. The whole Jewish traditional and inspired sources, as the Talmuds, Midrashim, the Zohar and the Targumim, never say in any part that Isaiah 53 is about Israel, but does say that it is about the Messiah. Check the Talmud in Sanhedrin 98, Sotah 14, Midrash Konen, Midrash Ruth Rabbah 5:1,6, Yalkut Shimoni 4, etc. Even Rashi, who spread this misinterpretation that Isaiah 53 is about Israel, said in his commentary of the Talmud in Sanhedrin 98a that Isaiah 53 is talking about the Messiah. Maimonides says the same thing in his letter to Yemen.
@@duydatyds Christ is Not the Messiah spoken of as he failed to fulfill the prophecy (this is why the book of Revelation was written 70AD or later after the temple was destroyed (the Messiah was supposed to rebuild the temple) & the Diaspora because the early church knew that Jesus did not fulfill the prophecy so they had to invent this doctrine of a 2nd coming). Also, Christ is not from the patrilineal line of David as the Messiah had to be, nor did he regather the tribes of Israel as the Messiah is supposed to do.
Jesus did build the temple remember when he talked to the rabbi and he said he could destroy the temple and rebuild it in 3 days what do you think Jesus meant when he said that it’s his death burial and resurrection. Jesus is the temple accepting Jesus in your heart is the temple of worship you worship god with your heart not with a physical temple
The best news is that no matter what religion you are you can be ASSURED of going to heaven if you'll just stop and pray the following to God and mean it. -Christ died for all of my sins past, present and future and paid for them with His blood (John 3:16) -good works won't get me there (Ephesians 2:8-9) (Galatians 2:16) -now that I'm saved I can never lose my salvation (John 10:28-29)
When Moshe and his people left Egypt, they saw with THREE gods in Egypt . Ashera, Jehovah and Amun. Moshe refered to Ashera as the Goddess who is prostitue ! She Resided in the tent with us to decive us Now real truth Jehova was the lord to who all prayers were sent in by pagan Jewish people & Anicent Egypt was Connected with Ancient india so deity could be identical Like 1. Jehova - ja-hovam ( Manasamhita 56:6 ) 2. Seva - siva ( shib puran ) 3. Thoes - troi ( padman purana ) At the end of Every Prayer, Moses exclaimed a hearty ELAH'IM ! Eloh is an Egyptian word which translates to God & Translation in Arabic as Allah'im When the Temple was destroyed the Jewish Religous community believed and preached to the fact that until the Holy temple was rebuilt, Jehova would leave the earth to roam the heavens with holy sprit . This left only the goddess and the two children as the active pgan gods of Israel! (This all sounds very Pagan does it not? That’s because it IS pagan!) So, a new god was put forward. His name was JHWH by pagans (Jeho-wah). The ‘J’ represents Jehova, The 1st ‘H’ represents the son ‘He’, the ‘W’ represents The Goddess Ashera and the 2nd ‘H’ represents the daughter She. So the new God who was put into place by King josiah after King zedekiah’s reign was JHWH. He is still the God of the Christian peoples. Sadly, most American Christians are so poorly educated that they don’t know their God’s name and simply refer to their deity by his title, ‘jehovah ’ By the way, as you may well know, Christians continue to this day the salute Amun, with a hearty Amen!, after every prayer or after anything said or done of which they completely argree! So yes, the God of the Christians is in fact an amalgam of the four pagan Gods which came with pagan israel out of Egypt and yes, all of you salute the Pagan God, Amun at the end of every prayer! Remember, the truth will always set you free! ~Shalom , baruch Elohim 🇮🇱
Church, remember and understand that Jesus's ministry of healing the sick was way before anyone ever laid a hand on Him. He didn't have to be beaten to heal or raise the dead. And during His healing ministry He often said "Your faith has made you whole" or "I can't work here because of the lack of faith". Never was He wounded or beaten before or during His healing ministry, never. And there were many times when He could have been. His wounds came to Him only and when He was in the process of redeeming us from sin. Read the full verse, in fact read the full chapter of that verse and in fact study the context of it and understand that when it says that by His stripes we are healed it is not of physical illness but of spiritual illness. By His stripes and wounds as the Lamb Sacrifice of God He has restored us to eternal life and healed us from the death of sin. Physical healing is great but the healing of your soul, that is the most important healing you can receive.
Good point that Jesus healed before his atoning death and resurrection. As was the case with Elijah and Elisha and the miracles of Moses (Nehushtan, the snake on a pole). Was that also true of the disciples? Were they able to function in the healing gift before Jesus' death and resurrection? We do read that they were frustrated in deliverance without prayer and fasting. What examples can we find of Jesus' followers functioning in Divine healing before the cross? As well... Jesus is God, always has been, always will be with the 3 power attributes - fully omniscient, fully omnipotent, fully omnipresent. Could we be talking apples and oranges here? Yes, he invites us to "participate in the divine nature" (2 Peter 1:3-4), but might it be misinformed to participate in the "power attributes" without the shed blood? Just a few questions for reflection.
@@C4ICanada Yes the miracles "of" Elijah, Elisha and Moses are definitely not being contested. ("of them" because they are not really "of them" but of the Father) And yes the deciples definitely worked miracles even before Jesus died and resurrected. Remember that in that same passage that you mentioned as them being "frustrated" they came back reporting to Jesus "Rabi in your name we have cast out demons and healed the sick". They were just "frustrated" with one particular "high ranking" demon that they could not cast out. All of this just further makes the point of my original post in regards to your interpretation of "by His stripes we are healed" So you see many many miracles of healing and deliverance had taken place before His stripes were ever made. The only reason for HIS STRIPES is for the ultimate healing, the healing of our sin, that causes spiritual death. His stripes are to give us eternal life. The reason for my original post is not to contest the miracles performed by others in His Name nor that Jesus is God, but to address claims that because of His stripes we are healed fiscally. As if He needed to be mistreated to be able to heal illness. It is misinterpretations like these that keep people from appreciating and knowing the true depths of Scripture and to look at Jesus as a way to "live this life better" instead of looking to Him for the healing that grants us Eternal Life. So many people lose sight of eternity when they think that Jesus only came to "heal them" or to give them "abundance in live" Oh the Abundance of life, yet an other passage that is greatly misinterpreted to be "riches" when Jesus was talking about the abundance of ETERNAL LIFE! Everything that encompasses His death and resurrection (even His stripes) have nothing to do with our fiscal body or with worldly riches, but with our spiritual eternal death or life.
Well, how come Moses never mentioned jesus by name.. it's cause he never wrote about him... Oh wait... Maybe he did... He wrote about him in Deuteronomy ...where it mentions the false prophet... That try to lead people away from God. That is where he is mentioned... A false prophet. Cause God don't have a son like jesus .. we are all God's children... Israel is His firstborn. Not jesus. You'll find this in exodus 4:22. I suggest you read it.
When Moshe and his people left Egypt, they saw with THREE gods in Egypt . Ashera, Jehovah and Amun. Moshe refered to Ashera as the Goddess who is prostitue ! She Resided in the tent with us to decive us Now real truth Jehova was the lord to who all prayers were sent in by pagan Jewish people & Anicent Egypt was Connected with Ancient india so deity could be identical Like 1. Jehova - ja-hovam ( Manasamhita 56:6 ) 2. Seva - siva ( shib puran ) 3. Thoes - troi ( padman purana ) At the end of Every Prayer, Moses exclaimed a hearty ELAH'IM ! Eloh is an Egyptian word which translates to God & Translation in Arabic as Allah'im When the Temple was destroyed the Jewish Religous community believed and preached to the fact that until the Holy temple was rebuilt, Jehova would leave the earth to roam the heavens with holy sprit . This left only the goddess and the two children as the active pgan gods of Israel! (This all sounds very Pagan does it not? That’s because it IS pagan!) So, a new god was put forward. His name was JHWH by pagans (Jeho-wah). The ‘J’ represents Jehova, The 1st ‘H’ represents the son ‘He’, the ‘W’ represents The Goddess Ashera and the 2nd ‘H’ represents the daughter She. So the new God who was put into place by King josiah after King zedekiah’s reign was JHWH. He is still the God of the Christian peoples. Sadly, most American Christians are so poorly educated that they don’t know their God’s name and simply refer to their deity by his title, ‘jehovah ’ By the way, as you may well know, Christians continue to this day the salute Amun, with a hearty Amen!, after every prayer or after anything said or done of which they completely argree! So yes, the God of the Christians is in fact an amalgam of the four pagan Gods which came with pagan israel out of Egypt and yes, all of you salute the Pagan God, Amun at the end of every prayer! Remember, the truth will always set you free! ~Shalom , baruch Elohim 🇮🇱
he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.” That last line is so important because we pray to Jesus he’s the intercession he died for the sins of the world and now to get to the father we go though Jesus
With all due respect, you are incorrect. Isaiah 53 has never been about Jesus. G-d in chapters prior to Isaiah 53 identifies Israel, as His servant (Isaiah 49:3 "And He said to me, "You are My servant, Israel, about whom I will boast;"" Isaiah 45:4 "For the sake of My servant Jacob, and Israel My chosen one, and I called to you by your name; I surnamed you, yet you have not known Me;" etc.) Therefore, it cannot be the Jews who are talking in Isaiah 53, lamenting about how they mistreated themselves. The ones speaking are actually the foreign rulers/kings who have been mistreating the diaspora Jews dwelling among them, as alluded to in the last verse of Isaiah 52, the previous chapter, "So shall he [Israel] cast down many nations; kings shall shut their mouths because of him, for, what had not been told them they saw, and [at] what they had not heard they gazed."
@@cinesanti7 Jesus casted down the nations tho. to cast down in that context is to lay a foundation. Jesus was the bridge and laid the foundation for the world thank you for further proving my point
People love to say Isaiah 53 is referring to Israel, or one of the tribes of Israel. This shows they failed to read the entire chapter. "Who has believed our report?" If by "our" it means the children of Israel, then when it says "he was well acquainted with grief," who is it talking about there? Who is "he"? And if you want to flip it and say "he" refers to the children of Israel, then who was "our"? Whose report needs to be believed? You can't have it both ways.
totaldepravity1975, you ask interesting questions. But firstly the verse never says "who has believed our report". The verse says "who would believe what we have heard". Secondly, your approach is to start from verse 1 of chapter 53. However that is not really where the topic starts. The topic starts three verses earlier. If you look at verse 15 of chapter 52 you will be better equipped to understand verse 1 of chapter 53 which immediately follows. The people (we) of verse 1 are none other than the Gentile kings referenced in verse 15 of the previous chapter. also, the verse never says "he was well acquainted with grief,". That too is a mistranslation. Anyway, the real point here is what I stated above. It is all about context. If you know who is doing what speaking it all makes sense how the subject of the speech is Israel.
me me Thank you so much for your gracious reply. What do you think the best translation from Hebrew is? I was told it was King James, but based on what you are saying, there are some very staggering mistranslations. What do you recommend? Until I can learn Hebrew, that is.
totaldepravity1975, you're welcome. :-) I recommend as the best the Judaica Press Translation of Tanach. I know some recommend the Koren translation but to be honest I am not familiar with it so I really am not really qualified to tell you if it is better than the Judaica Press version or not. If you don't want to spend the money on the individual volumes of the Judaica Press published version of Tanach, you might look at ArtScroll Stone edition Tanach which is also excellent. Knowing Hebrew of course is second to none because you can see things for yourself. The biggest advantage of the Judaica Press version I would say is in the wealth of good Jewish commentaries which give tremendous insight into things that most people will not even think twice about due to not even realizing the problems the particular verses encounter. But they bring these things to light. There is an online version of the Judaica Press published Tanach on the Chabad website as well. So if you can't afford the full published version which contain many commentaries, you can study the online version which happens to also contain the commentary of Rashi who is probably the foremost Jewish commentator we have on Scripture. Moreover, his knowledge of Hebrew grammar is second to none & thus he provides great insight as to why he reads a verse in a particular fashion. Anyway, however you go with these recommendations you are sure not to lose out. Here God willing is a link to the online version I spoke of... www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/63255/jewish/The-Bible-with-Rashi.htm You will find in the upper part of the left hand corner a button link you can press to "show" Rashi's commentary on any page you are located. If you have trouble navigating the site please write back with any problems & I will God willing attempt to guide you on how to properly navigate. I should say it is pretty intuitive and I am thus pretty sure you will catch on pretty quickly though.
Even my 7 year old kid when I read to him Isaiah 53 knew that I was referring to Yahshua And I given choices like Mickey Mouse, transformers etc.......😂😂 But he pick up the right one!! Yahshua jamashiaj. 🙏😇👍
It is the Nations who stand in dismay when they learn the identity of the Suffering Servant, Isaiah refers to Israel again and again as the singular Servant, chapter 53 is no exception. ISRAEL is the Suffering Servant.
You need to take a reading comprehension class... Isaiah 53 is clearly speaking of a person NOT a nation... how can a people (Jews) be pierced for their own transgressions?? I can go on and on, and give you more CLEAR examples... stop using that nonsensical excuse that most Jews use... there's a reason Isaiah 53 is skipped by rabbis!
+Eddie O, the Nations specifically Christianity became Israel's longest enduring and most deadliest of all Oppressors. The Nations stands in dismay when they learn the Identity of the Suffering Servant. You, like the Nations refuse to believe the report/Bible. The only one "pierced" in the Bible is the false prophet, your version of Isaiah is Mistranslated.
I love Jesus. Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. Hebrews 12:2 Jesus a man of sorrows. I love Jesus . For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.Romans 8:18-19
READ WITH THE SPIRIT IN HUMILITY, NOT WITH THE EGO. Nothing is coincidence. It points to one and one man alone who fulfilled each and every letter of that chapter.
It points to the Nation of Israel....repeatedly. Read the book of Isaiah in its entirety. If you drop into Chapter 53 without reading the other chapters are you getting whole story?
It points to one and one man alone who did not fulfill his return predictions with the kingdom angels and judgement of men.... Mark 9,1 And he said to them, "Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see that the Kingdom of God has come with power." They all have tasted death... Matthew 16,27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. No man has been rewarded. Luke 21,32-33..(THIS GENERATION) shall not pass away, till alL these things happened. The Generation has in fact passed away a long time ago. Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him……… They are all dead too.
Jesus is our Lord and Savior sent by God in Heaven. No on gets to the Father but through Jesus Christ. Believe, repent and change from your evil ways and be saved. Praying for each and every one that they may have eyes to see and ears to hear the Truth of The Gospel of God's love for all. John3:16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Begotten Son, that whosoever believith in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:17 For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved. Amen
Deborah Gillion John 3:16 is a stumbling block God was not talking about everybody on earth he was talking about his chosen people! God put stumbling blocks in the KJV Bible on purpose to test all who read true colors! JEREMIAH 6:21 Therefore thus saith the Lord Behold I will lay stumbling blocks before this people and the fathers and the sons together shall fall upon them the neighbor and his friend shall parish. There is stumbling blocks from beginning to end this is why Christ taught I'm parables! Christ and the Father gospel is not in no wise simple to understand!
Hosea 2:23 And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God.
Song of Solomoh( 5:16) : טזחִכּוֹ֙ מַֽמְתַקִּ֔ים וְכֻלּ֖וֹ מַֽחֲמַדִּ֑ים זֶ֤ה דוֹדִי֙ וְזֶ֣ה רֵעִ֔י בְּנ֖וֹת יְרֽוּשָׁלָֽיִם: "Hikko mamatakim wa kullo Mohammed'im Bedupi wah zedahi benot jeruslam ." Translation : His palate is sweet, and he is altogether lovely ; this is my Mohamed, and this is my friend, O daughters of jeruslam ." This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet yeshiyahu : אהֵ֚ן עַבְדִּי֙ אֶתְמָךְ־בּ֔וֹ בְּחִירִ֖י רָֽצְתָ֣ה נַפְשִׁ֑י נָתַ֚תִּי רוּחִי֙ עָלָ֔יו מִשְׁפָּ֖ט לַגּוֹיִ֥ם יוֹצִֽיא: "Hen El Ebdi Amed El Massich nafsi rasetan hattati rohi allaw yoswi misphat laq-Gow'im " “Behold, my servant ahmed, whom I have chosen( messiah) , my beloved with whom my soul is well pleased. I will put his Spirit upon him, and he will proclaim justice to the Gentiles( Ummi /Goy'im ) .
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I don't think so, Stephen Rimes. Beginning with chapter 41, the equating of God’s Servant with the nation of Israel is made nine times by the prophet Isaiah, and no one other than Israel is identified as the “servant”: “You are My servant, O Israel” (41:8) “You are My servant, Israel” (49:3) Isaiah 44:1, 44:2, 44:21, 45:4, 48:20.
While you are absolutely right, that does nothing to reconcile the literal description of Jesus' life in the passage. Just because it is the case that the suffering servant also refers to Israel, it does nothing to rebuke the extreme specificity of things which have nothing to do with Israel, differing the interpretation. Just to give an example, explain how Israel is punished for the transgressions of God's people, who we should reasonably assume is also Israel: By oppression[a] and judgment he was taken away. Yet who of his generation protested? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was punished.[b] 9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth. Also, explain how it makes any sense that Israel itself is assigned a grave with the wicked, but with the rich in death, and that Israel had done no violence or lied. Just these two passages alone quickly dissolve any explanation involving the nation of Israel itself as the prophecy. Joshua alone rebukes the passage, if not him then David, if not him then Solomon, if not him then so on and so on as kings of Israel battled for this or that; and for some reason many Jews believe the Messiah will be a warrior king, which "though he had done no violence" rebukes both your interpretation and those Jews' as well. Has Israel ever had a time in its life where it told complete honesty? Is there a time in any nation's life where they can claim such a thing? No. Is Israel cut off from the land of the living? Have all Jews died? Are things like the crushing of the Second Temple or the Holocaust the Suffering Servant prophecy? Probably not because there's no detail patterns, but regardless, if so, which one? Because concerning Jesus, the prophecy is very specific and all the prophecies together details his entire life in pointlessly specific detail as if to illustrate that there should be no mistake, so if you have an alternative theory, I'm happy to hear it as a former 10-year atheist. I'm willing to listen to anyone's version of anything. Just make it convincing. Jesus is very convincing and if you are speaking as a Jew who hasn't read the New Testament, I urge you to read it before trying to rebuke. Sun Tzu said to know yourself and your enemy and you will win all of your battles; so if you consider Jesus an enemy to your true interpretation, you should master the understanding behind those who believe in him so you can know how to direct them to the truth. I expect, rather than that, you will simply come to realize how hard it is to ignore the parallels.
Isaiah 53 means that Our Lord and Father became one with his Son as we become 1 with our Father Jesus as he gives us Life through his sacrifice but in return we must deeply understand his sacrifice so we too can also sacrifice like our Father so we can have his Eternal love and Unity. The Day our Lord died was the day we were all given Life through the light of his compassion and mercy. The Love for his Sheeps and the love for his Shepard. All Glory goes to the most High Jesus our Father in Heaven seated at the Right Hand of thr Almighty maker of all ends of the Earth . The Alpha and the Omega , the brightest Sun, the Fire that Shines thoughout the Heavens and Earth .
No Body - We are all born sinners, we do not have to commit any new sins to become sinners. :) The day we realize that we are sinners and yet reject the Saviours hand to save us from the very sinful nature, that is the time a person would have completely lost it.
Yeshua was foretold of His coming in genesis 3 v 15 He was in the beginning John I v 1.. Isaiah 53 is prophecy of Messiah as well as much much more in the Psalms ... And He's coming back as He said He would. Praise Yeshua the Messiah
it simply explained as it was written to fit the prophecy as was many thing that were done, to simply fit prophecy. Matthew 21:4 This took place to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet
The churches should forbid the tithe because in this case to serve God is very expensive! Here in Brazil the pastors charge the tithe all the time and in my point of view the tithe is not most important to do but save souls is the most important.
Isaiah 53 is clearly referring to Jesus. Some Jews just will not accept it...like when He said that He will rebuild the temple in 3 days they thought it was the building literally.
Chad Ellis His offspring, Jesus rose from the dead, and through his sacrifice on he cross, he yielded His spirit, and through His spirit He have us the ability to become sons of God, we are his offspring for he has made us born again in Him, one in Christ ❤️❤️
@@mcspankey4810 Jesus allegedly rose from the dead. His execution by the Romans was for a charge of sedition. It was not a sacrifice in any way....unless you believe the spin that Paul put on the story.
I am currently memorizing Isaiah 53, and it is one of the most beautiful and descriptive chapters about Jesus, our Savior and Lord. I long for his return. Merry Christmas and Maranatha! "Unpopular the Movie" Red Grace Media Films, Final Cut (28:55) Free On RU-vid "Heaven" - Randy Alcorn "Jesus, from the Father's own right hand. Jesus, Son of God and Son of Man. Jesus, who died and rose again. Jesus, he's the Lion and the Lamb."
If you don't have faith, you will not see the truths of God. Jesus is the type we see in the old testament and every type is revealed in the new testament. Jesus is the Messiah, no doubt. For without faith it is impossible to please God.
With all due respect, you are incorrect. Isaiah 53 has never been about Jesus. G-d in chapters prior to Isaiah 53 identifies Israel, as His servant (Isaiah 49:3 "And He said to me, "You are My servant, Israel, about whom I will boast;"" Isaiah 45:4 "For the sake of My servant Jacob, and Israel My chosen one, and I called to you by your name; I surnamed you, yet you have not known Me;" etc.) Therefore, it cannot be the Jews who are talking in Isaiah 53, lamenting about how they mistreated themselves. The ones speaking are actually the foreign rulers/kings who have been mistreating the diaspora Jews dwelling among them, as alluded to in the last verse of Isaiah 52, the previous chapter, "So shall he [Israel] cast down many nations; kings shall shut their mouths because of him, for, what had not been told them they saw, and [at] what they had not heard they gazed."
Actually, HE died for our sins. Salvation isn't believing who he is, but rather he paid the price for those who put their faith in the finished works of the cross. Grace through faith & no more works of the Law. Either grace or works but not both. If works, then the cross of Christ has no value, but if by Grace, you can not work for it.
And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. - Isaiah 49:6 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the {e} people; to it shall the Gentiles seek." Isaiah 11:10 Far from breaking, he will strengthen the bruised reed; far from quenching the smoking flax, or wick nearly out, he will rather blow it up into a flame. ... And in his name shall the Gentiles trust...Matt 12:21 This is the one prophecy you can see fulfilled today with your own eyes when you look at all those ancient churches and cathedrals in Europe- the land of the Gentiles - that have sprung up throughout the centuries claiming Christ is their Light and in His Name they trust. No need for history books. No need to believe in the unseen. It is right here in brick / stone and mortar. The Lord Jesus Christ is the ONLY Jew - in fact the only human in history - whom the Gentiles have claimed as their Light and in His name they trust . Someone asked, "Isn't it a self-filling prophecy?" How so? The people who built those grand medieval cathedrals were prohibited from reading the Bible by the very churches and religions that claimed to be followers of Christ, so they had no clue as to what was written in Isaiah - and yet Gentiles have flung their hopes and trust on the lap of their One Light - well before they could read and in spite of being deliberately wrongly taught. God's power was and remains at work here.
YES, it is a "LIGHT THING"-----even "Ignorance" itself is the root of "IGNITE/IGNITION"--- and for that initial beginning, even Satan{ WHO ACTUALLY "MISSES THE MARK"} is an angel of light---- but as John says "I WAS NOT THAT LIGHT"----- does not distinguish Paul's BLINDING VISION, from the church's "Light of the world" ----which every eye seems to see, the Man of God
Isaiah 53:8 By oppression[a] and judgment he was taken away. Yet who of his generation protested? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was punished. By oppression (not crime), he was taken away. Yet who of his generation protested? He was cut off from the land of the living... for my people's transgressions. This is the exact same accusation the Israelite elite made, and during the time of Jesus' death, as it is written, no one protested. The Jews demanded a Roman crucifixion for the sake of heresy. Romans had no reason to do this - they weren't Jews, and Jesus broke no laws. But they insisted, and like Daniel prophesied, Jesus refused to dissuade Pontius Pilate or anyone else who had the opportunity to alter his fate, being silent like a lamb to the slaughter.
Isaiah is discussing the Nation of Israel in Ch. 53, Skylar Drabing. Jews suffer and the nations don't care. What makes you think Isaiah was talking about the Messiah or Jesus?
the Suffering Servant in Isaiah 53 is the same Suffering Servant in that book's first 52 chapters, namely the Jewish people as a whole. it has absolutely nothing to do with JESUS
Not true Isaiah 53:5 says he was wounded for our transgressions The Torah says that no MAN can die for your sin deuteronomy 12:30-32 God died for us man he came in human form
If anything, Israel is still cursed for worshipping Jesus. This is clear violation of EXO 3:20. On top of that, ISA 53 is speaking of the nation it has little to do with JC.
@@milleziano lol.. Esrael is so powerful right now.. That even rabs nations that soround cannot defeat.. I think like early people you are blibded by your pride... Accept Jesus
Good that people follow the example of The NT because its message is love thy neighbour and it repeats the Golden Rule of the Hebrew a Bible. What a bettter world we would have if all religions advocated love instead of hate. Problem with assuming 53 is a prophecy about Jesus is similar to other quotes about a pierced messiah etc elsewhere - it is pretty obvious they were copied in to the NT to give it more authority.
If you don't have ears that can hear or eyes that can see, in other words, if one does not have the spirit of revelation, a gift in their self, to him it shall be taken. For him, it is not to know the mysteries of God.
When Moshe and his people left Egypt, they saw with THREE gods in Egypt . Ashera, Jehovah and Amun. Moshe refered to Ashera as the Goddess who is prostitue ! She Resided in the tent with us to decive us Now real truth Jehova was the lord to who all prayers were sent in by pagan Jewish people & Anicent Egypt was Connected with Ancient india so deity could be identical Like 1. Jehova - ja-hovam ( Manasamhita 56:6 ) 2. Seva - siva ( shib puran ) 3. Thoes - troi ( padman purana ) At the end of Every Prayer, Moses exclaimed a hearty ELAH'IM ! Eloh is an Egyptian word which translates to God & Translation in Arabic as Allah'im When the Temple was destroyed the Jewish Religous community believed and preached to the fact that until the Holy temple was rebuilt, Jehova would leave the earth to roam the heavens with holy sprit . This left only the goddess and the two children as the active pgan gods of Israel! (This all sounds very Pagan does it not? That’s because it IS pagan!) So, a new god was put forward. His name was JHWH by pagans (Jeho-wah). The ‘J’ represents Jehova, The 1st ‘H’ represents the son ‘He’, the ‘W’ represents The Goddess Ashera and the 2nd ‘H’ represents the daughter She. So the new God who was put into place by King josiah after King zedekiah’s reign was JHWH. He is still the God of the Christian peoples. Sadly, most American Christians are so poorly educated that they don’t know their God’s name and simply refer to their deity by his title, ‘jehovah ’ By the way, as you may well know, Christians continue to this day the salute Amun, with a hearty Amen!, after every prayer or after anything said or done of which they completely argree! So yes, the God of the Christians is in fact an amalgam of the four pagan Gods which came with pagan israel out of Egypt and yes, all of you salute the Pagan God, Amun at the end of every prayer! Remember, the truth will always set you free! ~Shalom , baruch Elohim 🇮🇱
Certainly can't argue with these thoughts/statements. Now...when my "friends/family" pass on due to sickness or old age....I am "grateful"....as they believe in Jesus Christ...and his being born and dying for us...his blood for us...and the forgiveness of one's sins. Why would anyone be sad at a Christians's wake? It's possible that they should be jubilant...and "longing to join them....but sad?" I don't get it.
Song of Solomoh( 5:16) : טזחִכּוֹ֙ מַֽמְתַקִּ֔ים וְכֻלּ֖וֹ מַֽחֲמַדִּ֑ים זֶ֤ה דוֹדִי֙ וְזֶ֣ה רֵעִ֔י בְּנ֖וֹת יְרֽוּשָׁלָֽיִם: "Hikko mamatakim wa kullo Mohammed'im Bedupi wah zedahi benot jeruslam ." Translation : His palate is sweet, and he is altogether lovely ; this is my Mohamed, and this is my friend, O daughters of jeruslam ." This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet yeshiyahu : אהֵ֚ן עַבְדִּי֙ אֶתְמָךְ־בּ֔וֹ בְּחִירִ֖י רָֽצְתָ֣ה נַפְשִׁ֑י נָתַ֚תִּי רוּחִי֙ עָלָ֔יו מִשְׁפָּ֖ט לַגּוֹיִ֥ם יוֹצִֽיא: "Hen El Ebdi Amed El Massich nafsi rasetan hattati rohi allaw yoswi misphat laq-Gow'im " “Behold, my servant ahmed, whom I have chosen( messiah) , my beloved with whom my soul is well pleased. I will put his Spirit upon him, and he will proclaim justice to the Gentiles( Ummi /Goy'im ) .
It is impossible for the servant to be Israel. First Israel can not die to forgive his own sins. Second: Because He had done no violence, Nor was any deceit in His mouth. Do you thinks Israel did not commit any violence, do you think there was not any deceit in Israel people? Yeah right.
alexanderll read genesis 49. Jacob describes each one of his children (12 sons btw) then go read each verse of Isaiah 53 ( 12 verses btw) each verse is a description of each child of the 12 tribes which completes the house of Jacob. If you you read them and g-d gave you understanding make sure you pass it on. Thank you.
The light of the world. He is the only way, the Truth, and the Life. Everything else is Satans territory, and trust me, you dont want to go there. Stay with Jesus and you will be alright.
On ISAIAH 53 This passage is perhaps the most controversial and misunderstood text between Christians and Jews / Ben Noahs. Christian scholars will say it is referring to the Sacrificial Servant, which they interpret to mean "Jesus." And Jewish scholars will say it is referring to the Suffering Servant, which they interpret to mean "Righteous Israel." But there are several reasons why I know the Jewish scholars have the upper hand of accuracy with the exegesis of this passage. Their own prophet Isaiah identifies who the Servant is in Isaiah 53. Righteous Israel is depicted as one individual - G-d’s servant - as it says, "Israel you are my servant" Isaiah 41:8. More than once, G-d repeats this through the prophet Isaiah in the following passages working up to chapter 53 - Isaiah 41:8-9; 44:1-2,21; 45:4; 48:20; 49:3 For Christians to identify the Servant to mean Jesus, they would have to ignore the Isaiah context itself, accept the wording of their own christianized translations like found in KJV, NIV, etc... (which changed the wording to suit their interpretation) and then they would have to pin "Jesus" to mean this Servant. In other words, they would have to prejudge that Jesus after several hundred years from Iasiah's days is the matched character. In the Isaiah text itself, there have been changes to texts. Christians will say, their translations are far superior than the Hebrew Bible, and the text is what it says. Jewish scholars will say otherwise - An example is, found in Isaiah 53:5 being mistranslated in Christian Bibles as “He was wounded FOR our transgression.” The Hebrew letter “mem” - in this verse means “FROM” and not “FOR.” So the verse should read “He (Righteous Israel) was wounded from our (the nations) transgressions.” These are the sins of the Gentile Nations. Apparently, they oppress the Righteous Israel and then realize their wrong. Righteous Israel's suffering becomes an offering for sin, and they intercede for the nations. The problem text for most Christians is Isaiah 53:10, which states that the Servant's "SEED" literally meaning children shall prosper. Jesus never had children. And the text further says he will live many days. Christians would have to ignore the Hebrew wording abd spiritualize this text to mean different. See these links - jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/articles/isaiah-53/ And I like how this Rabbi speaker, well knowledgeable and knows his Hebrew - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WNP1w8oVkYc.html
Yes, Isaiah does depict Israel as God's servant, but no where in Isaiah 53 does it say servant or Israel. Being specific in all the other cases and then not mentioning Israel specifically here is evidence that this passage is not referring to Israel. The idea of the suffering servant is a beautiful picture but it is a title attributed to this passage according to one interpretation and is not found in the passage itself. That being said, I will agree that the translations are not perfect nor can translations and for that matter interpretations ever be so, but why would Isaiah speak as if he was one of those gentile nations? wounded from "our" not "their" is used here. There was certainly no buildup in Isaiah for him suddenly speaking for the gentile nations. Furthermore, "from" does not change the meaning here as you suppose as Christians believe it is mankind's sin that prompted a loving God to sacrifice Himself to provide the only truly unblemished blood offering for the remission of sins. Therefore, "He was wounded from (as a result of; resulting from) our transgression. Also, it seems very clear that the passage is referring to "he," why would it constantly use singular pronouns and bring out such specific ideas if it was referring to Israel? For instance, Israel is not dead and they will not be cut off as God's chosen people so how does the phrase "with the rich in his death" make any sense according to your interpretation? As to the "seed" passage John 1:10-13 provides some insight: 10 "He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. I pray what I write makes sense and is a blessing to God. Ask any questions about my perspective and I will try to represent it as best I can. Have a blessed day!
@@sethtedder3173 - When you watch this video, jot down the scriptural passages he takes from the Hebrew Bible - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_TeOtzTaAco.html 🙂👍🏼
Hmmmmm, yes what God have not said can never come to pass, no shaking, Love You Lord, that which God have not said shall never never come to pass, every false prophecy dies naturally, Jesus is Lord.
Ewan Kerr- Actually it's in the ancient Greek translation (from Hebrew) where they changed some sentences to fit their narrative. The Hebrew Bible, which was compiled before the Greek editions, has no references to Jesus or any messiah for that matter. So yes they made the story fit the narrative.
Who are the "they" and when and how did they change the text? What sentences did they change? Are you serious in your contention that the Hebrew Bible makes no reference to a messiah? If so, why do Jews still hope for a Messiah?
The preposition FOR provides the key to the passage. "Thou shalt make his soul [his life] an offering FOR sin. [vs 10] "But he was wounded FOR our transgressions, he was bruised FOR our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed." [vs. 5] The FOR means in the place of sinners.
Psalms 22: "I am poured out like water, And all My bones are out of joint; My heart is like wax; It has melted within Me. My strength is dried up like a potsherd, And My tongue clings to My jaws; You have brought Me to the dust of death. For dogs have surrounded Me; The congregation of the wicked has enclosed Me. They pierced My hands and My feet; I can count all My bones. They look and stare at Me. They divide My garments among them, And for My clothing they cast lots."
Was reading Daniel 9:25-27, and my friend and I were trying to figure out the 70 weeks, and implications to revelation and I came up with a rather dry but I think corect thought. Gabriel spoke Daniel 9:24 "seventy weeks are decreed for your people." Daniel 24-27 have been used by many to give the timeline for Jesus's return, and the start of the last week, while I think it is much more direct. Gabriel was talking with Daniel about the jewish people, and their future timeline of events, which included Jesus' death, the destruction of the temple, the desolation and abomination and flood of war. So after Jesus's sacrifice the time of the Jewish people's law curse (I used law curse because Daniel prayer talks about the curse as related to Moses law justification.) was over, and the Jewish people were forgiven and the new covenant started, which is why Daniel 9:24 does not say and will continue. It says decreed for your people.To me this seems profound and a new interpretation. I of course could be wrong. 23 When you began your petition, an answer was given which I have come to announce, because you are beloved. Therefore, mark the answer and understand the vision. 24“Seventy weeks* are decreed 25Know and understand: 26After the sixty-two weeks 27For one week* he shall make
Our ancient commentators with one accord noted that the context clearly speaks of God's Anointed One, the Messiah. The Aramaic translation of this chapter, ascribed to Rabbi Jonathan ben Uzziel, a disciple of Hillel who lived early in the second century C.E., begins with the simple and worthy words: Behold my servant Messiah shall prosper; he shall be high, and increase, and be exceeding strong: as the house of Israel looked to him through many days, because their countenance was darkened among the peoples, and their complexion beyond the sons of men. (Targum Jonathan on Isaiah 53, ad Iocum) We find the same interpretation in the Babylonian Talmud: The Messiah-what is his name?…The Rabbis say, the leprous one; those of the house of Rabbi say, the sick one, as it is said, "Surely he hath borne our sicknesses." (Sanhedrin 98b) Similarly, in the Midrash Rabbah, in an explanation of Ruth 2:14: He is speaking of the King Messiah: "Come hither" draw near to the throne "and dip thy morsel in the vinegar," this refers to the chastisements, as it is said, "But he was wounded for our transgressions, bruised for our iniquities." In the same manner also in a later midrash, the Midrash Tanhuma, parasha Toldot, end of section, it says: "Who art thou, O great mountain?" (Zechariah 4:7) This refers to the King Messiah. And why does he call him the "great mountain?" Because he is greater than the patriarchs, as it is said, "My servant shall be high, and lifted up, and lofty exceedingly." He will be higher than Abraham who said, "I raise high my hand unto the Lord" (Gen. 14:22), lifted up above Moses, to whom it is said, "Lift it up into thy bosom" (Numbers 11:12), loftier than the ministering angels, of whom it is written, "Their wheels were lofty and terrible" (Ezekiel 1:18). And out of whom does he come forth? Out of David. These are a few of the ancient interpretations attributing this chapter to the suffering and exalted Messiah.
@@SparrowHills08 Reinterpreting Hebrew Scripture to fit the Christian narrative is a poor attempt to create a new religion. In Hebrew messiah simply means anoint. In ancient Hebrew life, kings were anointed, priests were anointed etc. It was a common practice in other cultures as well. More importantly, I find it interesting that Jesus himself didn't leave even a single word in his own hand. At a time when ample records by various entities are available, not a single contemporaneous mention of him or his life let alone any miracles. Literally all the stories and quotes attributed to Jesus are by people who never met him (eg. Paul). So without mangling Hebrew Scripture, Christianity has very little ground to stand on.
@@Alkes777 So now you not only claim that the messiah was never called "the anointed" one but that there is no evidence that jesus performed any miracles? And as stated, these are not misinterpretations, this is what many rabbis confirmed, the isreal concept only came around in the 11th century I beg you to research the importance of anointing, it is a thing that is sacred for those chosen by god. Are you even religious? To say that you need solid 3rd party sources to confirm an event and yet following the whole talmud is more than questionable. Most old testement history is brought up no where else except for within the old testement. So speak, what is your adherence and allegiance for.
@@SparrowHills08 I don't claim anything. I arrive at conclusions based on the study of various sources of recorded history. So yes, incredulous claims require credible sources. The concept of The Anointed ONE" is a Christian embellishment since anointing in Jewish life was rather common. You'll need to cite your sources for the claim that Rabbis confirmed anything else. Every king of Israel and Judah was anointed. Kind of like todays swearing in. And like today they hoped for God's blessing. Now, Israel is not a concept. It is a nation, first mentioned in ancient Egyptian records in 1230BCE as an entity actually referred to as The Israelites who were defeated in a battle in the Levant (Canaan). By the way, this timeline coincides with the Egyptian Exodus story rendering the historicity of The Exodus questionable since the Israelites were already in the land. The Hebrew Bible was compiled over hundreds of years and written and canonized around 540BCE. To claim that Hebrew Bible history is brought up nowhere else is simply wrong. The flood story for one is almost identical to a much earlier recorded Mesopotamian mythology. There are other examples. I'm not sure what your problem is with The Talmud. And which Talmud are you referring to as there are two? The Talmud isn't "followed". It's a large compilation of discussions, debates, and interpretations for hundreds of years of The Hebrew Bible and Jewish law by the Rabbis. One was completed around 350CE and the other around 500CE. But debates and modifications are ongoing.
@@Alkes777 In Jewish eschatology, the Messiah is a future Jewish king from the Davidic line, who is expected to be anointed with holy anointing oil and rule the Jewish people during the Messianic Age and world to come.[1][2][5] The Messiah is often referred to as "King Messiah" (Hebrew: מלך משיח, romanized: melekh mashiach) or malka meshiḥa in Aramaic. In Jewish eschatology, the term mashiach, or "Messiah", refers specifically to a future Jewish king from the Davidic line, who is expected to save the Jewish nation, and will be anointed with holy anointing oil and rule the Jewish people during the Messianic Age. This is the reason as to why the messiah literally translates into the anointed one, this is no new translation, Rabbis of the old all said that God purposely used the term 'the anointed' to describe the future messiah. Simply Google "who is the anointed one in judaism" and you will see that it says that it means messiah.
Song of Solomoh( 5:16) : טזחִכּוֹ֙ מַֽמְתַקִּ֔ים וְכֻלּ֖וֹ מַֽחֲמַדִּ֑ים זֶ֤ה דוֹדִי֙ וְזֶ֣ה רֵעִ֔י בְּנ֖וֹת יְרֽוּשָׁלָֽיִם: "Hikko mamatakim wa kullo Mohammed'im Bedupi wah zedahi benot jeruslam ." Translation : His palate is sweet, and he is altogether lovely ; this is my Mohamed, and this is my friend, O daughters of jeruslam ." This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet yeshiyahu : אהֵ֚ן עַבְדִּי֙ אֶתְמָךְ־בּ֔וֹ בְּחִירִ֖י רָֽצְתָ֣ה נַפְשִׁ֑י נָתַ֚תִּי רוּחִי֙ עָלָ֔יו מִשְׁפָּ֖ט לַגּוֹיִ֥ם יוֹצִֽיא: "Hen El Ebdi Amed El Massich nafsi rasetan hattati rohi allaw yoswi misphat laq-Gow'im " “Behold, my servant ahmed, whom I have chosen( messiah) , my beloved with whom my soul is well pleased. I will put his Spirit upon him, and he will proclaim justice to the Gentiles( Ummi /Goy'im ) .
I suppose you have to know that the prophecy could only have been fulfilled by Jesus. Usually has to be specific, measureable, attainable, relevant and time bound. Don't think this fits any of these.
This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet yeshiyahu : אהֵ֚ן עַבְדִּי֙ אֶתְמָךְ־בּ֔וֹ בְּחִירִ֖י רָֽצְתָ֣ה נַפְשִׁ֑י נָתַ֚תִּי רוּחִי֙ עָלָ֔יו מִשְׁפָּ֖ט לַגּוֹיִ֥ם יוֹצִֽיא: "Hen El Ebdi Amed El Massich nafsi rasetan hattati rohi allaw yoswi misphat laq-Gow'im " “Behold, my servant ahmed, whom I have chosen( messiah) , my beloved with whom my soul is well pleased. I will put his Spirit upon him, and he will proclaim justice to the Gentiles( Ummi /Goy'im ) . So messiah( ahmed ( one nam of mohmed ) ) is ummi / goy'im & now comes Song of Solomoh( 5:16) : טזחִכּוֹ֙ מַֽמְתַקִּ֔ים וְכֻלּ֖וֹ מַֽחֲמַדִּ֑ים זֶ֤ה דוֹדִי֙ וְזֶ֣ה רֵעִ֔י בְּנ֖וֹת יְרֽוּשָׁלָֽיִם: "Hikko mamatakim wa kullo Mohammed'im Bedupi wah zedahi benot jeruslam ." Translation : His palate is sweet, and he is altogether lovely ; this is my Mohamed, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem." Here Messaiah is named Mohamed. Helluiah ✡️🇮🇱🙌.. Ellah'im is great 🇮🇱✡️✔️..
Song of Solomoh( 5:16) : טזחִכּוֹ֙ מַֽמְתַקִּ֔ים וְכֻלּ֖וֹ מַֽחֲמַדִּ֑ים זֶ֤ה דוֹדִי֙ וְזֶ֣ה רֵעִ֔י בְּנ֖וֹת יְרֽוּשָׁלָֽיִם: "Hikko mamatakim wa kullo Mohammed'im Bedupi wah zedahi benot jeruslam ." Translation : His palate is sweet, and he is altogether lovely ; this is my Mohamed, and this is my friend, O daughters of jeruslam ." This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet yeshiyahu : אהֵ֚ן עַבְדִּי֙ אֶתְמָךְ־בּ֔וֹ בְּחִירִ֖י רָֽצְתָ֣ה נַפְשִׁ֑י נָתַ֚תִּי רוּחִי֙ עָלָ֔יו מִשְׁפָּ֖ט לַגּוֹיִ֥ם יוֹצִֽיא: "Hen El Ebdi Amed El Massich nafsi rasetan hattati rohi allaw yoswi misphat laq-Gow'im " “Behold, my servant ahmed, whom I have chosen( messiah) , my beloved with whom my soul is well pleased. I will put his Spirit upon him, and he will proclaim justice to the Gentiles( Ummi /Goy'im ) .
Jesus is the Messiah People need to Stop distorcing God's WORD Enough of rejecting the prophets WORD How many more times people will keep crucifying Jesus? And rejecting God's alliance with us?
Okay so if the real messiah comes then you can say that about him. Your argument can be use about anyone,and its important to remmber the diffrence between jesus and other people and thats the ressurection from the dead,and no other claim messiah has done this
So here is were I get a little confused and if someone can help clear this up for me. In Hebrew Isiah 58:38 the words are something as follows "For the transgression of my people THEY were stricken" and in English translation is reads as follows: "of my people ‘HE” was stricken"... For Jewish interpretation this wouldn't lead to Jesus, I just need some clarification.
moha_mad If mohamed is not messiah ? Then tell me a simple question brother ..simple . then Why Jesus is not mentioned by nam ? Why mohammed is meantioned by his nick nam & proper nam Ahmed- 2 times Mohammed - 7 times ? Tell me bro .. Now if u Say How is The Ebdi ( servent) in Isaiah53 Then .. Jesus shouted" Elaha Elaha Lamasabaktani " ( Allah Allah lamasabaktani) G-D G-D why u hav forgoten me ?? But isiah 53 tells the survent will not tell a word. The old Talmood meantioned isaiah 53 is About suffering Messiah ..👇 Messiah will be Rejected Messiah will be a role model Messiah 's offspring will rule world When messiah will bleed no king will tell any thing Messiah 's will bleed & he will Take our Sin on his back Messiah will force made to drink poision Messiah Will bleed by Our sin When he shall be Slaughtered he shall bleed like nothing .. He shall be tourched. He die due to sins of us He shall Be called with Lord . Now , Mohammed Saw when he was 58 ... He went to Taif to give the message of elohim But The people of Taif Rejected him They Told we will reject u .. They Stoned him , then Hited him with a Wip , They Stoned him like nothing .. But mohammed didn't spoke a word or run away . Mohammed was bleeding & 3 king of Taif Were Silent at his this condition .. He Bleed so much that He was Hlf slaughtered . Mohammed was taken to madina back..after 4 yrs he died Due to That Wounds & Poision. He told to Imam hasan during death " What Told about me is now fulfiled in Tanak " .. After his death .. Rabbi Abdullah told . " he is the messiach who was to suffer for our sin " Messiah Die & took our sin on his back Due to sin the people were stoning him like nothing . But he was silent . This Proved that Mohammed Pubh is the El Massiach !! Ya Hashem Elohim ✡️🇮🇱✔️. Listen bro ..if Jesus is meantioned by nam we would hav believed him ..!! Only proof about jesus is Zakariya ( 12:10 ) וְתַ֣חֲנוּנִ֔ים וְהִבִּ֥יטוּ אֵלַ֖י אֵ֣ת אֲשֶׁר־דָּקָ֑רוּ וְסָֽפְד֣וּ עָלָ֗יו כְּמִסְפֵּד֙ עַל־הַיָּחִ֔יד וְהָמֵ֥ר עָלָ֖יו כְּהָמֵ֥ר עַֽל־הַבְּכֽוֹר And they prayed, and looked upon him that which they had pierced and worshiped him , as an god upon the singular, and the bitter upon him , as a priest.they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son. Only one .. But we belibe mohammed is messiah ✡️🇮🇱✔️
We might very well be seeing the fulfillment of prophecy right now in the current Palestine Israel conflict that was given to us by Asaph in Psalm 83 and Zechariah 12 which would be well over a 1500 years ago
Just who is this “servant”? Over the centuries, Jewish scholars offered various opinions. Some claimed that he represented the whole nation of Israel during its Babylonian exile. But such an explanation does not match the prophecy. God’s Servant suffers voluntarily. Although innocent, he suffers for the sins of others. This hardly describes the Jewish nation, which went into exile because of its sinful ways. (2 Kings 21:11, 15; Jeremiah 25:8-11) Others claimed that the Servant represented the pious elite in Israel and that these suffered in behalf of sinful Israelites. However, during times of affliction in Israel, no one specific group suffered for another. These words only applied on Jesus.
Can someone explain? In Isaiah 53:10 it says "he shall see his offspring", why does this imply he has an offspring? To be fair, other translations says "his seed". Any explanation?
people who believe in judaism should really think in Isaiah 53 becuz it says that the messiah will be rejected by many.. Why would he be rejected if he came to do peace and get jews back into israel.???? why would jews reject him if he came to do what they are waiting for? it dont make sense? The only thing that makes sense is that jesus is the messiah and they already rejected him:(
If Jesus is considered by Christians to be our savior, then why does God contradict this by saying there is no savior, but God? Isaiah 43:10-11 10 “You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor there one after me. 11 I, even I, am the Lord, and apart from me there is no savior. Another thing I was told by Christians all my live that Jesus died for everyone’s sins. If Isaiah 53 is about Jesus like the Christian believe than at the end of the verse it states “Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.” It clearly states “he bore the sin of many,” so not everyone is saved under this verse by Jesus. If Isaiah 53 is talking about Jesus then everyone being saved by Jesus just flew out the window!
Isaiah is clearly referring to jesus anybody who has read about jesus knows that all the things that happened to the servant in isaiah 53 happened to jesus
Read Isaiah 41. It CLEARLY calls the nation of Israel God's servant. You can't understand ANY chapter of a densely poetic book like Isaiah without looking at the chapters before and after .
And pilete had no grounds for crusifying sentencing jesus to death so he allowed the high priests to use the old law and trade a marked prisoners death for a death they let a prisoner sentenced to death go and traded christs place with his as any excuse they could to have jesus killed crucified put on that cross ...... they doubted denied our lord yet he rose in 3 days as he said he would restore the temple in 3 days I get tears in my eyes anytime I think about this it amazes me so much scripture and theology and gods spoken word he lives today people he lives inside of our hearts he lives in heaven and on earth satan is dashing to speed things up he knows his time is numbered
Isaiah 53 1-10 is written in PAST tense as if people reminisce. Isaiah 53:11 is written in FUTURE tense, like a plan that still has to succeed. Isajah 53:12 is in PRESENT tense, it reads like a promiss. It is as if Isaiah writes down a chalenge; what is required of 'the Servant' to redeem mankind... Yeshuah knew scripture ... therefore Yeshuah knew his fate early on, and did not side track ! He went all the way, in the footsteps of Scripture. That makes Him my King and Lord, he did it for me. I can't stay true to Scripture, hah! men's law is hard for me even... There's no light for me without Him. And still I wouldn't dare to look him in the eye ... too much stubbornness, too much distractions; it might take a while.
How about the final prophet revealed in isiah .the one to whom our messenger shall apear to saying read he shall reply i am not learned. Quraan .first revalation revealed to prophet muhammed . Iqrah -read .arch angel gabrielle said to prophet muhammad read he relplied i cannot read i am not learned.
This book in the Old Testament is not talked about it preached to the Jews . The Orthodox Jews don’t touch it. So sad it’s because it talks all about messiah and they refuse to hear it. But the born again Jews turn to Jesus after they study it!! More and more Jews are accepting Jesus!! Because of Isaiah!!
The servant is Israel.Isaiah 43: 9All the nations are gathered together, And the peoples are assembled; Who among them can declare this, And announce to us former things? Let them bring their witnesses, that they may be justified; And let them hear, and say: ‘It is truth.’ 10Ye are My witnesses, saith the LORD, And My servant whom I have chosen; That ye may know and believe Me, and understand That I am He; Before Me there was no God formed, Neither shall any be after Me. 11I, even I, am the LORD; And beside Me there is no saviour. 12I have declared, and I have saved, And I have announced, And there was no strange god among you; Therefore ye are My witnesses, saith the LORD, and I am God. Isaiah 44: 1Yet now hear, O Jacob My servant, And Israel, whom I have chosen; 2Thus saith the LORD that made thee, And formed thee from the womb, who will help thee: Fear not, O Jacob My servant, And thou, Jeshurun, whom I have chosen. Isaiah 44: 6Thus saith the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer the LORD of hosts: I am the first, and I am the last, And beside Me there is no God. Isaiah 41: 8But thou, Israel, My servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, The seed of Abraham My friend; Isaiah 49: 3And He said unto me: ‘Thou art My servant, Israel, in whom I will be glorified.’
This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet yeshiyahu : אהֵ֚ן עַבְדִּי֙ אֶתְמָךְ־בּ֔וֹ בְּחִירִ֖י רָֽצְתָ֣ה נַפְשִׁ֑י נָתַ֚תִּי רוּחִי֙ עָלָ֔יו מִשְׁפָּ֖ט לַגּוֹיִ֥ם יוֹצִֽיא: "Hen El Ebdi Amed El Massich nafsi rasetan hattati rohi allaw yoswi misphat laq-Gow'im " “Behold, my servant ahmed, whom I have chosen( messiah) , my beloved with whom my soul is well pleased. I will put his Spirit upon him, and he will proclaim justice to the Gentiles( Ummi /Goy'im ) . So messiah( ahmed ( one nam of mohmed ) ) is ummi / goy'im & now comes Song of Solomoh( 5:16) : טזחִכּוֹ֙ מַֽמְתַקִּ֔ים וְכֻלּ֖וֹ מַֽחֲמַדִּ֑ים זֶ֤ה דוֹדִי֙ וְזֶ֣ה רֵעִ֔י בְּנ֖וֹת יְרֽוּשָׁלָֽיִם: "Hikko mamatakim wa kullo Mohammed'im Bedupi wah zedahi benot jeruslam ." Translation : His palate is sweet, and he is altogether lovely ; this is my Mohamed, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem." Here Messaiah is named Mohamed. Helluiah ✡️🇮🇱🙌.. Ellah'im is great 🇮🇱✡️✔️..
You see this is a perfect example of how "christians" cherry pick scripture. Jesus does not have children, agreed? but if if you continue in Isaiah 53, lets continue on reading verse 10. We notice this character written in verse 10, the Lord God puts him to "grief", and the Lord "bruised him", but wasn't it the Roman Soldiers who beat Jesus? Why would the Lord God bruise Jesus, cause his own son grief? Wasn't the Roman Pontious Pilot the one who commanded Jesus beating and crucifiction, not the Lord God? There are many questions, written in Isaiah 52 & 53, but none are any way close to being Jesus, so this leaves the question ; is this the real Messiah? Where God bruises the Messiah, causing grief but because the Messiah has a child his days will be long, and the Messiah's faith and love of God keeps him strong, becoming prosperous, united the whole world, because the Messiah offers his own Soul for the Sin of the World. Ezekiel 46, speaks about the "prince" who will offer a Sin offering for himself and the world, and the "Prince" has Sons, verse "Ez46:16 ; ...prince give a gift unto any of his sons", so is Isaiah & Ezekiel talking about the True Messiah? If the Messiah has sinned, by offering a Sin offering, why is Jesus Sinless? Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him, he hath put him to grief : when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand. Christians will never show you this verse, because it shows that person, who ever it is, will have a child, "...shall see his seed", Jesus does not have a child. If you want to go into detail, further, you will notice, "...make his soul an offering of sin". Jesus gave his body, in 1 Peter 2:24 we see this written in Isaiah 53:10, "..make his soul" and it is clear this is not about Jesus, so the second coming is the true Messiah, the King, Prince, Mighty God himself returning. Not even Jesus knows the day and hour, only the Father in Heaven. Jesus is not the second coming, God himself is returning to earth. 1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
@Ziggy Zigwatt I do. The scrolls are amazing and I spend quite a bit of my study time investigating them. Professor Emmanuel Tov has some amazing stuff. Check it out! G-d Bless! Yosi
These folks are mentally ill, best not to waste your time. There are zero references to Jesus in the old testament. 0 References to Emanuel, at times, of which Jesus is not the same name lol...
Song of Solomoh( 5:16) : טזחִכּוֹ֙ מַֽמְתַקִּ֔ים וְכֻלּ֖וֹ מַֽחֲמַדִּ֑ים זֶ֤ה דוֹדִי֙ וְזֶ֣ה רֵעִ֔י בְּנ֖וֹת יְרֽוּשָׁלָֽיִם: "Hikko mamatakim wa kullo Mohammed'im Bedupi wah zedahi benot jeruslam ." Translation : His palate is sweet, and he is altogether lovely ; this is my Mohamed, and this is my friend, O daughters of jeruslam ." This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet yeshiyahu : אהֵ֚ן עַבְדִּי֙ אֶתְמָךְ־בּ֔וֹ בְּחִירִ֖י רָֽצְתָ֣ה נַפְשִׁ֑י נָתַ֚תִּי רוּחִי֙ עָלָ֔יו מִשְׁפָּ֖ט לַגּוֹיִ֥ם יוֹצִֽיא: "Hen El Ebdi Amed El Massich nafsi rasetan hattati rohi allaw yoswi misphat laq-Gow'im " “Behold, my servant ahmed, whom I have chosen( messiah) , my beloved with whom my soul is well pleased. I will put his Spirit upon him, and he will proclaim justice to the Gentiles( Ummi /Goy'im ) .
Song of Solomoh( 5:16) : טזחִכּוֹ֙ מַֽמְתַקִּ֔ים וְכֻלּ֖וֹ מַֽחֲמַדִּ֑ים זֶ֤ה דוֹדִי֙ וְזֶ֣ה רֵעִ֔י בְּנ֖וֹת יְרֽוּשָׁלָֽיִם: "Hikko mamatakim wa kullo Mohammed'im Bedupi wah zedahi benot jeruslam ." Translation : His palate is sweet, and he is altogether lovely ; this is my Mohamed, and this is my friend, O daughters of jeruslam ." This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet yeshiyahu : אהֵ֚ן עַבְדִּי֙ אֶתְמָךְ־בּ֔וֹ בְּחִירִ֖י רָֽצְתָ֣ה נַפְשִׁ֑י נָתַ֚תִּי רוּחִי֙ עָלָ֔יו מִשְׁפָּ֖ט לַגּוֹיִ֥ם יוֹצִֽיא: "Hen El Ebdi Amed El Massich nafsi rasetan hattati rohi allaw yoswi misphat laq-Gow'im " “Behold, my servant ahmed, whom I have chosen( messiah) , my beloved with whom my soul is well pleased. I will put his Spirit upon him, and he will proclaim justice to the Gentiles( Ummi /Goy'im ) .
None of you just sit down and read all isaiah.. At least once try from start chapter 42 till end. Not just servant is israel but the intimate, love and closeness between G-d and israel. The amount we are told he is the one and only G-d and he saves and no one else saves surely even deluded christians (you had bad literature..NT) open their eyes just once Not with my commentary just read chapter 42 to the end. So beautiful As for isaiah there is these famous 4 servant songs within it. Starts at isaiah 42 and goes all the way to the 4th one isaiah 53. each time the servant is israel. There would not even be a reason to think it was jesus if in theory it was the messiah the servant but it is israel the nation. at least it is at a messianic time by 53 Now, you have to realise, we don't have thick heavy jesus glasses on. We don't read our texts translating it to be in the jesus, jesus, jesus created jesus and jesus, and jesus saw thay the jesus was good. How jesus of jesus We also do not start with the Nt and use our tanach as a reference tool of things that we can try use as pathetic proof texts. We do read it in context, surrounding passages and chapters in fact all of Isaiah. And even that is not enough for us. we study all other prophets and more to help us understand the first book. We also don't use corrupted christian translation that purposefully just at the site of the proof text corrupt translation and grammar but not elsewhere. We can read the hebrew directly and then catch the corruption when you type that. Now we absolutely love the 4 servant songs. And besides constabtly seeing it name israel the servant read all and study all it explains it in the verses if you do that. Details how we suffered and why. How other nations thought we despised from G-d and in your christian case thought we did wrong rejecting your false prophet. You blamed us for all and made us suffer. And if we didn't take it you would of been destroyed long ago. as it keeps saying our job is to be light to nations. Big responsibility. When we don't shine enough you suffer get upset and can't attack G-d so you harm us his children Please don't read rest of this just isaiah 42 slowly and see no jesus or christianity. Just G-d so sweet and romantic and intimate with israel finally coming to restore them head of nations, messianic age and to be forever proud You non Jews all get redeemed too. I promise will be even better messianic age than the one you wanted and tried designing in your religion 1st servant song starts chapter 42. Hey look starts off saying 'my chosen one's you should already know that is Israel. But if you are still sceptical then to 42.6 hey look verse 6 says people's covenant for a light to the nations- YAY that really really is us israel. Check verse 21 he is magnifying and strengthening his torah seeing you wrongly think laws are done. Hey look verse 24 you see jacob, and israel and hearkening to the torah spoken of. Hey chapter 43:1 jacob, israel we redeemed. It is a full on love story make sure you read it all dear in G-d's eye, love. Seriously a touching love story. Hey 43.5 we going to get gathered. Yes all back to israel restored woohoo. Next verse 6 notice we are his sons and daughters. Don't forget that. Read 43.10 only us israel can be his witesses to tell the other nations that before him no G-d was formed and after him none shall be. He is the L-rd and besides him there is no other...don't forgett that 43.25 our transgressions erased not remenbered. (And no G-d man dying for our sins needed) 44.1 and now hearken JACOB MY SERVANT AND ISRAEL I HAVE CHOSEN 44.10 watch out he asking who formed a G-d and molded am image, to no avail (hint christians) And 44.11 you will be ashamed 44.21 REMEMBER JACOB And ISRAEL FOR YOU ARE MY SERVANT 45.5 FOR THE SAKE OF MY SERVANT JACOB And ISRAEL MY CHOSEN 45.10 woe to him who says to father, "what did you beget?" 45.17 israel shall be saved by the L-rd an EVERLASTING SALVATION not ashamed or disgraced for all eternity For you 45.20 assemble and come together yo who carry a graven wooden image and pray to a G-d who does not save , do not know 44.23 hey it is every knee shall bow line and it is from here, NOT NT and regarding G-d who saves who there is no other who has this awesome close love relationship with israel, who is not a man 46.3 (in case you thought israel is new israel or spiritual israel which it doesn't say) "hearken to me, the house of jacob and all the remnant house of israel, who are born from birth, carried from the womb 46.7 (I think it may be jesus) they bear it, on the shoulder they carry it . Stand it up it doesnt move. He cries to it it doesnt answer. it doesn't save 49.3 AND HE SAID TO ME YOU ARE MY SERVANT ISRAEL ABout who I WILL BOAST 49.6 (yes G-d we will be your servant and yes we repent directly to you for only you save and we light to the nations) 49.23 yeah the world's kings and leaders will be bowing to us israel 51.4 look 'my people, my nation, bend your ears to me ,when TORAH SHALL EMANATE 52.1 no longer shall the uncircumcised and unclean enter 52.15 (now it gets good) kings nations will shut their mouths 53.1 who would of believed itm world leaders are in shock (Jews/ pharisees had truth all along shock right) 53.3 despised and rejected. (That is how all you from all the other nations treated us. You always hated us. Does yoir false Nt say good or bad things about pharisees?) 53.4 all non jews realising yes we bore all suffering you have us and you thought we were plagued by G-d 53.5 but you find out know you was wrong doing and hurting us that pained us we didn't deserve it you weren't right . You did bad And all this time you thought we were the plague of G-d Didn't accept your false prophet and dessrved it. And this is you finding out you were wrong. Look you should just keep reading. No way you van think this isn't crazy love story G-d trying so hard to not let you use any of this as your propf text if you read it all in order slow
Hey Golden Gun. Thanks for this lengthy reply. Please, believe me, we are FOR you, not against you. Our organization is called "Christians for Israel" because we have been called to love the nation of Israel. I won't argue with you or even share my opinions here, because we are here to love and support Israel, as many Christians do, and we believe they should. We do NOT believe in "replacement theology" that rejects Israel and replaces them in scripture with Christians. We believe such theology to be inappropriate and misguided. We at C4i are called to love and support Israel, to encourage the Christian church to be supportive and to share that message with the Christian church. Our broadcasts are for the church, speaking through the lens of Christian teaching with Christian theology. Our scholarship embraces rabbinical understanding, context and all of the Jewish nuances, to the best of our ability. At the end of the day, however, we are Christian. G-d bless you. We do not wish to fight or argue, we simply desire to serve the church and bless Israel.
He is the messiah. The bible is written in such a way you have to read it with GOD'S light to interpret, doesn't matter too much about language as the spirit is the true teacher. It's written in a way to maybe question people with there faith. All in all people should respect holy books as they are GOD'S word and he wants to love and respect one another.
