@@Exodus_Projectwatch out, God is conscious and active, Do not believe you are above correction, You ended no debate, but added your opinion unto the multiple others out there. You are a man, the same species as all those who have offered their opinion and so unless you are God Himself, your opinion is worth the same as all of ours. My opinion on this subject I won’t even say, what I will say is this: Jesus Christ died on the Cross for our Sins, spoken by His own words in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, and even more expanded upon in Acts, In Romans, In Galatians, In 1&2nd Peter, and In the Letters of John. Thats all that matters, Our Salvation. Nothing changes that. The Whole Bible was to point out Gods unfailing Love towards Us and His brilliance in crafting an perfect plan to save us by Grace and Faith from His Wrathful Judgment Upon Our Sins. Jesus Christ never Sinned, which is spoken of in the epistles of Paul, therefore He only died because He was presented as a sacrifice, even if Your point was correct, one could infer that Jesus only died for our transgressions, considering the only reason we actually die is because of Sin, the price of Sin is death, Jesus Christ never sinned, but instead He gave His life to save us from our own sins. ”I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.“ John 10:14-18 KJV Maybe Isaiah 53 isn’t speaking of Jesus, maybe it is, but One doesn’t even need to read Isaiah 53 to understand That Jesus Christ of Nazareth gave His life for our sins, and was bruised and struck to death because of our iniquity.
I'm a Christian and I would like to know what did Jesus end at the cross? Jesus said his blood would be for the remission of sins he never said it was an atonement and he never said that he died for anyone
In the original Hebrew texts, there are no chapter divisions, and Jew and Christian alike agree that chapter 53 is actually a continuation of the prophecy which begins at 52:13. Accordingly, our analysis must begin at that verse. 52:13 "Behold, My servant will prosper." Israel in the singular is called God's servant throughout Isaiah, both explicitly (Isa. 41:8-9; 44:1-2; 45:4; 48:20; 49:3) and implicitly (Isa. 42:19-20; 43:10) - the Messiah is not. Other references to Israel as God's servant include Jer. 30:10 (note that in Jer. 30:17, the servant Israel is regarded by the nations as an outcast, forsaken by God, as in Isa. 53:4); Jer. 46:27-28; Ps. 136:22; Lk. 1:54. ALSO: Given the Christian view that Jesus is God, is God His own servant? 52:15 - 53:1 "So shall he (the servant) startle many nations, the kings will stand speechless; For that which had not been told them they shall see and that which they had not heard shall they ponder. Who would believe what we have heard?" Quite clearly, the nations and their kings will be amazed at what happens to the "servant of the L-rd," and they will say "who would believe what we have heard?". 52:15 tells us explicitly that it is the nations of the world, the gentiles, who are doing the talking in Isaiah 53. See, also, Micah 7:12-17, which speaks of the nations' astonishment when the Jewish people again blossom in the Messianic age. 53:1 "And to whom has the arm of the L-rd been revealed?" In Isaiah, and throughout our Scriptures, God's "arm" refers to the physical redemption of the Jewish people from the oppression of other nations (see, e.g., Isa. 52:8-12; Isa. 63:12; Deut. 4:34; Deut. 7:19; Ps. 44:3). 53:3 "Despised and rejected of men." While this is clearly applicable to Israel (see Isa. 60:15; Ps. 44:13-14), it cannot be reconciled with the New Testament account of Jesus, a man who was supposedly "praised by all" (Lk. 4:14-15) and followed by multitudes (Matt. 4:25), who would later acclaim him as a prophet upon his triumphal entry into Jerusalem (Matt. 21:9-11). Even as he was taken to be crucified, a multitude bemoaned his fate (Lk. 23:27). Jesus had to be taken by stealth, as the rulers feared "a riot of the people" (Mk. 14:1-2). 53:3 "A man of pains and acquainted with disease." Israel's adversities are frequently likened to sickness - see, e.g., Isa. 1:5-6; Jer. 10:19; Jer 30:12. 53:4 "Surely our diseases he carried and our pains he bore." In Matt. 8:17, this is correctly translated, and said to be literally (not spiritually) fulfilled in Jesus' healing of the sick, a reading inconsistent with the Christian mistranslation of 53:4 itself. 53:4 "Yet we ourselves esteemed him stricken, smitten of G- D and afflicted." See Jer. 30:17 - of God's servant Israel (30:10), it is said by the nations, "It is Zion; no one cares for her." 53:5 "But he was wounded from (NOTE: not for) our transgressions, he was crushed from (AGAIN: not for) our iniquities." Whereas the nations had thought the Servant (Israel) was undergoing Divine retribution for its sins (53:4), they now realize that the Servant's sufferings stemmed from their actions and sinfulness. This theme is further developed throughout our Jewish Scriptures - see, e.g., Jer. 50:7; Jer. 10:25. ALSO: Note that the Messiah "shall not fail nor be crushed till he has set the right in the earth" (Isa. 42:4). 53:7 "He was oppressed and he was afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth. Like a lamb that is led to slaughter, and like a sheep that is silent before its shearers, so he did not open his mouth." Note that in the prior chapter (Isa. 52), Israel is said to have been oppressed and taken away without cause (52:4-5). A similar theme is developed in Psalm 44, wherein King David speaks of Israel's faithfulness even in the face of gentile oppression (44:17- 18) and describes Israel as "sheep to be slaughtered" in the midst of the unfaithful gentile nations (44:22,11). Regarding the claim that Jesus "did not open his mouth" when faced with oppression and affliction, see Matt. 27:46, Jn. 18:23, 36-37. 53:8 "From dominion and judgement he was taken away." Note the correct translation of the Hebrew. The Christians are forced to mistranslate, since - by Jesus' own testimony - he never had any rights to rulership or judgement, at least not on the "first coming." See, e.g., Jn. 3:17; Jn. 8:15; Jn. 12:47; Jn. 18:36. 53:8 "He was cut off out of the land of the living." 53:9 "His grave was assigned with wicked men." See Ez. 37:11-14, wherein Israelis described as "cut off" and God promises to open its "graves" and bring Israel back into its own land. Other examples of figurative deaths include Ex. 10:17; 2 Sam. 9:8; 2 Sam. 16:9. 53:8 "From my peoples' sins, there was injury to them." Here the Prophet makes absolutely clear, to anyone familiar with Biblical Hebrew, that the oppressed Servant is a collective Servant, not a single individual. The Hebrew word "lamoh", when used in our Scriptures, always means "to them" never "to him" and may be found, for example, in Psalm 99:7 - "They kept his testimonies, and the statute that He gave to them." 53:9 "And with the rich in his deaths." Perhaps King James should have changed the original Hebrew, which again makes clear that we are dealing with a collective Servant, i.e., Israel, which will "come to life" when the exile ends (Ez. 37:14). 53:9 "He had done no violence." See Matt. 21:12; Mk. 11:15-16; Lk. 19:45; Lk. 19:27; Matt. 10:34 and Lk. 12:51; then judge for yourself whether this passage is truly consistent with the New Testament account of Jesus. 53:10 "He shall see his seed." The Hebrew word for "seed", used in this verse, always refers to physical descendants in our Jewish Scriptures. See, e.g., Gen. 12:7; Gen. 15:13; Gen. 46:6; Ex. 28:43. A different word, generally translated as "sons", is used to refer to spiritual descendants (see Deut. 14:1, e.g.). 53:10 "He will prolong his days." Not only did Jesus die young, but how could the days be prolonged of someone who is alleged to be God? 53:11 "With his knowledge the righteous one, my Servant, will cause many to be just." Note again the correct translation: the Servant will cause many to be just, he will not "justify the many." The Jewish mission is to serve as a "light to the nations" which will ultimately lead the world to a knowledge of the one true God, this both by example (Deut. 4:5-8; Zech. 8:23) and by instructing the nations in God's Law (Isa. 2:3-4; Micah 4:2-3). 53:12 "Therefore, I will divide a portion to him with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the mighty." If Jesus is God, does the idea of reward have any meaning? Is it not rather the Jewish people - who righteously bore the sins of the world and yet remained faithful to God (Ps. 44) - who will be rewarded, and this in the manner described more fully in Isaiah chapters 52 and 54?
Judaism isn't the enemy of Jesus, it just rejects Christian claims of fulfilled OT prophecies. And remember Jesus himself called those in Synagogues "Children of The Devil".
@@comali2212 Wow,how dare you! that's a cruel thing to say to another person😔. Remember the Old Testament said it first: Leviticus ( Vayikra ויקרה in the original Hebrew) 19:18 ¹⁸" Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord ¹⁹ "Keep my decrees Loving your neighbor means, not just your close neighbor, but anyone, from anywhere. Calling someone a devil just for disagreeing with you, is hating your neighbor.
@@KitJoseph32 actually, saying someone is deceived by the devil doesn't mean you hate them. It means you disagree with them and think they've been lied to by someone with more power than them, and hope that they will one day see the light.
We believe in the same God that our ancestors believed in at the revelation on Mount Sinai, a god that was unknown to our ancestors and they did not worship him is nothing but a false god. See Deuteronomy 13.
@@dnybwzglw162 yeah, that God can come to Earth in the form of a burning bush, but isn't quite powerful enough to come to Earth in human form. 😆 If God can show up here as a burning bush, He can show up here as a human as well.
The bush was not God, God revealed himself to Moses through the bush, just as God was in the temple but the temple is not God, even Bezalel son of Uri who built the tabernacle (Exodus chapter 31) God filled him with the spirit of God, of course this does not mean that he is God, you worship Jesus as God. That's the difference! And it has nothing to do with what G-d "can" do or not, the Bible says that G-d is not a human being, He is not a man, G-d warns us to worship only the God that our G-d worshiped us. Since Jesus was not worshiped by our ancestors and He did not reveal Himself to us at Mount Sinai therefore who Who worships him is an idolater. Jesus did not fulfill any messianic prophecy in the Bible. I suggest you read Rabbi Tovia Singer's books and go to Rabbi Moshe Shulman's website against Christianity as well as Rabbi Israel Blumenthal's website against Christianity, there are many beautiful articles there.
In the original Hebrew texts, there are no chapter divisions, and Jew and Christian alike agree that chapter 53 is actually a continuation of the prophecy which begins at 52:13. Accordingly, our analysis must begin at that verse. 52:13 "Behold, My servant will prosper." Israel in the singular is called God's servant throughout Isaiah, both explicitly (Isa. 41:8-9; 44:1-2; 45:4; 48:20; 49:3) and implicitly (Isa. 42:19-20; 43:10) - the Messiah is not. Other references to Israel as God's servant include Jer. 30:10 (note that in Jer. 30:17, the servant Israel is regarded by the nations as an outcast, forsaken by God, as in Isa. 53:4); Jer. 46:27-28; Ps. 136:22; Lk. 1:54. ALSO: Given the Christian view that Jesus is God, is God His own servant? 52:15 - 53:1 "So shall he (the servant) startle many nations, the kings will stand speechless; For that which had not been told them they shall see and that which they had not heard shall they ponder. Who would believe what we have heard?" Quite clearly, the nations and their kings will be amazed at what happens to the "servant of the L-rd," and they will say "who would believe what we have heard?". 52:15 tells us explicitly that it is the nations of the world, the gentiles, who are doing the talking in Isaiah 53. See, also, Micah 7:12-17, which speaks of the nations' astonishment when the Jewish people again blossom in the Messianic age. 53:1 "And to whom has the arm of the L-rd been revealed?" In Isaiah, and throughout our Scriptures, God's "arm" refers to the physical redemption of the Jewish people from the oppression of other nations (see, e.g., Isa. 52:8-12; Isa. 63:12; Deut. 4:34; Deut. 7:19; Ps. 44:3). 53:3 "Despised and rejected of men." While this is clearly applicable to Israel (see Isa. 60:15; Ps. 44:13-14), it cannot be reconciled with the New Testament account of Jesus, a man who was supposedly "praised by all" (Lk. 4:14-15) and followed by multitudes (Matt. 4:25), who would later acclaim him as a prophet upon his triumphal entry into Jerusalem (Matt. 21:9-11). Even as he was taken to be crucified, a multitude bemoaned his fate (Lk. 23:27). Jesus had to be taken by stealth, as the rulers feared "a riot of the people" (Mk. 14:1-2). 53:3 "A man of pains and acquainted with disease." Israel's adversities are frequently likened to sickness - see, e.g., Isa. 1:5-6; Jer. 10:19; Jer 30:12. 53:4 "Surely our diseases he carried and our pains he bore." In Matt. 8:17, this is correctly translated, and said to be literally (not spiritually) fulfilled in Jesus' healing of the sick, a reading inconsistent with the Christian mistranslation of 53:4 itself. 53:4 "Yet we ourselves esteemed him stricken, smitten of G- D and afflicted." See Jer. 30:17 - of God's servant Israel (30:10), it is said by the nations, "It is Zion; no one cares for her." 53:5 "But he was wounded from (NOTE: not for) our transgressions, he was crushed from (AGAIN: not for) our iniquities." Whereas the nations had thought the Servant (Israel) was undergoing Divine retribution for its sins (53:4), they now realize that the Servant's sufferings stemmed from their actions and sinfulness. This theme is further developed throughout our Jewish Scriptures - see, e.g., Jer. 50:7; Jer. 10:25. ALSO: Note that the Messiah "shall not fail nor be crushed till he has set the right in the earth" (Isa. 42:4). 53:7 "He was oppressed and he was afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth. Like a lamb that is led to slaughter, and like a sheep that is silent before its shearers, so he did not open his mouth." Note that in the prior chapter (Isa. 52), Israel is said to have been oppressed and taken away without cause (52:4-5). A similar theme is developed in Psalm 44, wherein King David speaks of Israel's faithfulness even in the face of gentile oppression (44:17- 18) and describes Israel as "sheep to be slaughtered" in the midst of the unfaithful gentile nations (44:22,11). Regarding the claim that Jesus "did not open his mouth" when faced with oppression and affliction, see Matt. 27:46, Jn. 18:23, 36-37. 53:8 "From dominion and judgement he was taken away." Note the correct translation of the Hebrew. The Christians are forced to mistranslate, since - by Jesus' own testimony - he never had any rights to rulership or judgement, at least not on the "first coming." See, e.g., Jn. 3:17; Jn. 8:15; Jn. 12:47; Jn. 18:36. 53:8 "He was cut off out of the land of the living." 53:9 "His grave was assigned with wicked men." See Ez. 37:11-14, wherein Israelis described as "cut off" and God promises to open its "graves" and bring Israel back into its own land. Other examples of figurative deaths include Ex. 10:17; 2 Sam. 9:8; 2 Sam. 16:9. 53:8 "From my peoples' sins, there was injury to them." Here the Prophet makes absolutely clear, to anyone familiar with Biblical Hebrew, that the oppressed Servant is a collective Servant, not a single individual. The Hebrew word "lamoh", when used in our Scriptures, always means "to them" never "to him" and may be found, for example, in Psalm 99:7 - "They kept his testimonies, and the statute that He gave to them." 53:9 "And with the rich in his deaths." Perhaps King James should have changed the original Hebrew, which again makes clear that we are dealing with a collective Servant, i.e., Israel, which will "come to life" when the exile ends (Ez. 37:14). 53:9 "He had done no violence." See Matt. 21:12; Mk. 11:15-16; Lk. 19:45; Lk. 19:27; Matt. 10:34 and Lk. 12:51; then judge for yourself whether this passage is truly consistent with the New Testament account of Jesus. 53:10 "He shall see his seed." The Hebrew word for "seed", used in this verse, always refers to physical descendants in our Jewish Scriptures. See, e.g., Gen. 12:7; Gen. 15:13; Gen. 46:6; Ex. 28:43. A different word, generally translated as "sons", is used to refer to spiritual descendants (see Deut. 14:1, e.g.). 53:10 "He will prolong his days." Not only did Jesus die young, but how could the days be prolonged of someone who is alleged to be God? 53:11 "With his knowledge the righteous one, my Servant, will cause many to be just." Note again the correct translation: the Servant will cause many to be just, he will not "justify the many." The Jewish mission is to serve as a "light to the nations" which will ultimately lead the world to a knowledge of the one true God, this both by example (Deut. 4:5-8; Zech. 8:23) and by instructing the nations in God's Law (Isa. 2:3-4; Micah 4:2-3). 53:12 "Therefore, I will divide a portion to him with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the mighty." If Jesus is God, does the idea of reward have any meaning? Is it not rather the Jewish people - who righteously bore the sins of the world and yet remained faithful to God (Ps. 44) - who will be rewarded, and this in the manner described more fully in Isaiah chapters 52 and 54?
Isaiah 53:10 ¹⁰ Yet it was the Lords will to crush him and cause him to suffer and though the Lord makes his life a guilt offering he will see his offspring and prolong his days Read this honestly: Jesus neither had offspring, nor were his days prolonged: he died a young man at 33, therefore he was not our Messiah.
In the original Hebrew texts, there are no chapter divisions, and Jew and Christian alike agree that chapter 53 is actually a continuation of the prophecy which begins at 52:13. Accordingly, our analysis must begin at that verse. 52:13 "Behold, My servant will prosper." Israel in the singular is called God's servant throughout Isaiah, both explicitly (Isa. 41:8-9; 44:1-2; 45:4; 48:20; 49:3) and implicitly (Isa. 42:19-20; 43:10) - the Messiah is not. Other references to Israel as God's servant include Jer. 30:10 (note that in Jer. 30:17, the servant Israel is regarded by the nations as an outcast, forsaken by God, as in Isa. 53:4); Jer. 46:27-28; Ps. 136:22; Lk. 1:54. ALSO: Given the Christian view that Jesus is God, is God His own servant? 52:15 - 53:1 "So shall he (the servant) startle many nations, the kings will stand speechless; For that which had not been told them they shall see and that which they had not heard shall they ponder. Who would believe what we have heard?" Quite clearly, the nations and their kings will be amazed at what happens to the "servant of the L-rd," and they will say "who would believe what we have heard?". 52:15 tells us explicitly that it is the nations of the world, the gentiles, who are doing the talking in Isaiah 53. See, also, Micah 7:12-17, which speaks of the nations' astonishment when the Jewish people again blossom in the Messianic age. 53:1 "And to whom has the arm of the L-rd been revealed?" In Isaiah, and throughout our Scriptures, God's "arm" refers to the physical redemption of the Jewish people from the oppression of other nations (see, e.g., Isa. 52:8-12; Isa. 63:12; Deut. 4:34; Deut. 7:19; Ps. 44:3). 53:3 "Despised and rejected of men." While this is clearly applicable to Israel (see Isa. 60:15; Ps. 44:13-14), it cannot be reconciled with the New Testament account of Jesus, a man who was supposedly "praised by all" (Lk. 4:14-15) and followed by multitudes (Matt. 4:25), who would later acclaim him as a prophet upon his triumphal entry into Jerusalem (Matt. 21:9-11). Even as he was taken to be crucified, a multitude bemoaned his fate (Lk. 23:27). Jesus had to be taken by stealth, as the rulers feared "a riot of the people" (Mk. 14:1-2). 53:3 "A man of pains and acquainted with disease." Israel's adversities are frequently likened to sickness - see, e.g., Isa. 1:5-6; Jer. 10:19; Jer 30:12. 53:4 "Surely our diseases he carried and our pains he bore." In Matt. 8:17, this is correctly translated, and said to be literally (not spiritually) fulfilled in Jesus' healing of the sick, a reading inconsistent with the Christian mistranslation of 53:4 itself. 53:4 "Yet we ourselves esteemed him stricken, smitten of G- D and afflicted." See Jer. 30:17 - of God's servant Israel (30:10), it is said by the nations, "It is Zion; no one cares for her." 53:5 "But he was wounded from (NOTE: not for) our transgressions, he was crushed from (AGAIN: not for) our iniquities." Whereas the nations had thought the Servant (Israel) was undergoing Divine retribution for its sins (53:4), they now realize that the Servant's sufferings stemmed from their actions and sinfulness. This theme is further developed throughout our Jewish Scriptures - see, e.g., Jer. 50:7; Jer. 10:25. ALSO: Note that the Messiah "shall not fail nor be crushed till he has set the right in the earth" (Isa. 42:4). 53:7 "He was oppressed and he was afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth. Like a lamb that is led to slaughter, and like a sheep that is silent before its shearers, so he did not open his mouth." Note that in the prior chapter (Isa. 52), Israel is said to have been oppressed and taken away without cause (52:4-5). A similar theme is developed in Psalm 44, wherein King David speaks of Israel's faithfulness even in the face of gentile oppression (44:17- 18) and describes Israel as "sheep to be slaughtered" in the midst of the unfaithful gentile nations (44:22,11). Regarding the claim that Jesus "did not open his mouth" when faced with oppression and affliction, see Matt. 27:46, Jn. 18:23, 36-37. 53:8 "From dominion and judgement he was taken away." Note the correct translation of the Hebrew. The Christians are forced to mistranslate, since - by Jesus' own testimony - he never had any rights to rulership or judgement, at least not on the "first coming." See, e.g., Jn. 3:17; Jn. 8:15; Jn. 12:47; Jn. 18:36. 53:8 "He was cut off out of the land of the living." 53:9 "His grave was assigned with wicked men." See Ez. 37:11-14, wherein Israelis described as "cut off" and God promises to open its "graves" and bring Israel back into its own land. Other examples of figurative deaths include Ex. 10:17; 2 Sam. 9:8; 2 Sam. 16:9. 53:8 "From my peoples' sins, there was injury to them." Here the Prophet makes absolutely clear, to anyone familiar with Biblical Hebrew, that the oppressed Servant is a collective Servant, not a single individual. The Hebrew word "lamoh", when used in our Scriptures, always means "to them" never "to him" and may be found, for example, in Psalm 99:7 - "They kept his testimonies, and the statute that He gave to them." 53:9 "And with the rich in his deaths." Perhaps King James should have changed the original Hebrew, which again makes clear that we are dealing with a collective Servant, i.e., Israel, which will "come to life" when the exile ends (Ez. 37:14). 53:9 "He had done no violence." See Matt. 21:12; Mk. 11:15-16; Lk. 19:45; Lk. 19:27; Matt. 10:34 and Lk. 12:51; then judge for yourself whether this passage is truly consistent with the New Testament account of Jesus. 53:10 "He shall see his seed." The Hebrew word for "seed", used in this verse, always refers to physical descendants in our Jewish Scriptures. See, e.g., Gen. 12:7; Gen. 15:13; Gen. 46:6; Ex. 28:43. A different word, generally translated as "sons", is used to refer to spiritual descendants (see Deut. 14:1, e.g.). 53:10 "He will prolong his days." Not only did Jesus die young, but how could the days be prolonged of someone who is alleged to be God? 53:11 "With his knowledge the righteous one, my Servant, will cause many to be just." Note again the correct translation: the Servant will cause many to be just, he will not "justify the many." The Jewish mission is to serve as a "light to the nations" which will ultimately lead the world to a knowledge of the one true God, this both by example (Deut. 4:5-8; Zech. 8:23) and by instructing the nations in God's Law (Isa. 2:3-4; Micah 4:2-3). 53:12 "Therefore, I will divide a portion to him with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the mighty." If Jesus is God, does the idea of reward have any meaning? Is it not rather the Jewish people - who righteously bore the sins of the world and yet remained faithful to God (Ps. 44) - who will be rewarded, and this in the manner described more fully in Isaiah chapters 52 and 54?
Why are you cherry picking verses from Isaiah 53? What about the verse that says, "He has made him sick," and "The Lord has laid upon him the iniquity of us all"? Dont miss God by trying to be slick.
In the original Hebrew texts, there are no chapter divisions, and Jew and Christian alike agree that chapter 53 is actually a continuation of the prophecy which begins at 52:13. Accordingly, our analysis must begin at that verse. 52:13 "Behold, My servant will prosper." Israel in the singular is called God's servant throughout Isaiah, both explicitly (Isa. 41:8-9; 44:1-2; 45:4; 48:20; 49:3) and implicitly (Isa. 42:19-20; 43:10) - the Messiah is not. Other references to Israel as God's servant include Jer. 30:10 (note that in Jer. 30:17, the servant Israel is regarded by the nations as an outcast, forsaken by God, as in Isa. 53:4); Jer. 46:27-28; Ps. 136:22; Lk. 1:54. ALSO: Given the Christian view that Jesus is God, is God His own servant? 52:15 - 53:1 "So shall he (the servant) startle many nations, the kings will stand speechless; For that which had not been told them they shall see and that which they had not heard shall they ponder. Who would believe what we have heard?" Quite clearly, the nations and their kings will be amazed at what happens to the "servant of the L-rd," and they will say "who would believe what we have heard?". 52:15 tells us explicitly that it is the nations of the world, the gentiles, who are doing the talking in Isaiah 53. See, also, Micah 7:12-17, which speaks of the nations' astonishment when the Jewish people again blossom in the Messianic age. 53:1 "And to whom has the arm of the L-rd been revealed?" In Isaiah, and throughout our Scriptures, God's "arm" refers to the physical redemption of the Jewish people from the oppression of other nations (see, e.g., Isa. 52:8-12; Isa. 63:12; Deut. 4:34; Deut. 7:19; Ps. 44:3). 53:3 "Despised and rejected of men." While this is clearly applicable to Israel (see Isa. 60:15; Ps. 44:13-14), it cannot be reconciled with the New Testament account of Jesus, a man who was supposedly "praised by all" (Lk. 4:14-15) and followed by multitudes (Matt. 4:25), who would later acclaim him as a prophet upon his triumphal entry into Jerusalem (Matt. 21:9-11). Even as he was taken to be crucified, a multitude bemoaned his fate (Lk. 23:27). Jesus had to be taken by stealth, as the rulers feared "a riot of the people" (Mk. 14:1-2). 53:3 "A man of pains and acquainted with disease." Israel's adversities are frequently likened to sickness - see, e.g., Isa. 1:5-6; Jer. 10:19; Jer 30:12. 53:4 "Surely our diseases he carried and our pains he bore." In Matt. 8:17, this is correctly translated, and said to be literally (not spiritually) fulfilled in Jesus' healing of the sick, a reading inconsistent with the Christian mistranslation of 53:4 itself. 53:4 "Yet we ourselves esteemed him stricken, smitten of G- D and afflicted." See Jer. 30:17 - of God's servant Israel (30:10), it is said by the nations, "It is Zion; no one cares for her." 53:5 "But he was wounded from (NOTE: not for) our transgressions, he was crushed from (AGAIN: not for) our iniquities." Whereas the nations had thought the Servant (Israel) was undergoing Divine retribution for its sins (53:4), they now realize that the Servant's sufferings stemmed from their actions and sinfulness. This theme is further developed throughout our Jewish Scriptures - see, e.g., Jer. 50:7; Jer. 10:25. ALSO: Note that the Messiah "shall not fail nor be crushed till he has set the right in the earth" (Isa. 42:4). 53:7 "He was oppressed and he was afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth. Like a lamb that is led to slaughter, and like a sheep that is silent before its shearers, so he did not open his mouth." Note that in the prior chapter (Isa. 52), Israel is said to have been oppressed and taken away without cause (52:4-5). A similar theme is developed in Psalm 44, wherein King David speaks of Israel's faithfulness even in the face of gentile oppression (44:17- 18) and describes Israel as "sheep to be slaughtered" in the midst of the unfaithful gentile nations (44:22,11). Regarding the claim that Jesus "did not open his mouth" when faced with oppression and affliction, see Matt. 27:46, Jn. 18:23, 36-37. 53:8 "From dominion and judgement he was taken away." Note the correct translation of the Hebrew. The Christians are forced to mistranslate, since - by Jesus' own testimony - he never had any rights to rulership or judgement, at least not on the "first coming." See, e.g., Jn. 3:17; Jn. 8:15; Jn. 12:47; Jn. 18:36. 53:8 "He was cut off out of the land of the living." 53:9 "His grave was assigned with wicked men." See Ez. 37:11-14, wherein Israelis described as "cut off" and God promises to open its "graves" and bring Israel back into its own land. Other examples of figurative deaths include Ex. 10:17; 2 Sam. 9:8; 2 Sam. 16:9. 53:8 "From my peoples' sins, there was injury to them." Here the Prophet makes absolutely clear, to anyone familiar with Biblical Hebrew, that the oppressed Servant is a collective Servant, not a single individual. The Hebrew word "lamoh", when used in our Scriptures, always means "to them" never "to him" and may be found, for example, in Psalm 99:7 - "They kept his testimonies, and the statute that He gave to them." 53:9 "And with the rich in his deaths." Perhaps King James should have changed the original Hebrew, which again makes clear that we are dealing with a collective Servant, i.e., Israel, which will "come to life" when the exile ends (Ez. 37:14). 53:9 "He had done no violence." See Matt. 21:12; Mk. 11:15-16; Lk. 19:45; Lk. 19:27; Matt. 10:34 and Lk. 12:51; then judge for yourself whether this passage is truly consistent with the New Testament account of Jesus. 53:10 "He shall see his seed." The Hebrew word for "seed", used in this verse, always refers to physical descendants in our Jewish Scriptures. See, e.g., Gen. 12:7; Gen. 15:13; Gen. 46:6; Ex. 28:43. A different word, generally translated as "sons", is used to refer to spiritual descendants (see Deut. 14:1, e.g.). 53:10 "He will prolong his days." Not only did Jesus die young, but how could the days be prolonged of someone who is alleged to be God? 53:11 "With his knowledge the righteous one, my Servant, will cause many to be just." Note again the correct translation: the Servant will cause many to be just, he will not "justify the many." The Jewish mission is to serve as a "light to the nations" which will ultimately lead the world to a knowledge of the one true God, this both by example (Deut. 4:5-8; Zech. 8:23) and by instructing the nations in God's Law (Isa. 2:3-4; Micah 4:2-3). 53:12 "Therefore, I will divide a portion to him with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the mighty." If Jesus is God, does the idea of reward have any meaning? Is it not rather the Jewish people - who righteously bore the sins of the world and yet remained faithful to God (Ps. 44) - who will be rewarded, and this in the manner described more fully in Isaiah chapters 52 and 54?
@@Agnosticinformant I actually did read the whole shmeel and it’s beyond desperate. The things you people say and do makes it clear your convert con artist imposters. I’ll demonstrate after my coffee.
Thank you for providing such a detailed explanation of exactly how Jews (and many others) will be deceived by the Anti-Christ. It can be difficult to imagine how so many will be deceived until someone like yourself demonstrates it in detail and vividly. You are certainly "tickling their ears and telling them exactly what they want to hear". May God have mercy on your soul, neighbor. @@Agnosticinformant
Ah, Lord GOD! It is you who have made the heavens and the earth by your great power and by your outstretched arm! Nothing is too hard for you.(Jer 32:17) Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed? (Is 53:1) By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, their starry host by the breath of his mouth. (Psalms 33:6) And the Lord will cause His voice of authority to be heard, And the descending of His arm to be seen in fierce anger, And in the flame of a consuming fire In cloudburst, downpour and hailstones. (Is 30:10) Word of the Lord = Arm of Lord = Son of God who Descended in Isaiah 53. End of Debate. Shalom.
Regarding Isaiah 53 If you could read hebrew you would know these: *lamo* and *bemotav* are plural and both refer to the servant (e.g Israel) and the word *yonek* in verse 2 is the same word Moses called the people of Israel while they were in the desert. Isaiah 53:10 - all seed in the bible is a biological descent, not followers. Besides that see 53:9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth. It was the other way around!! He was assigned a grave with the rich (Joseph of Arimathea) and was with the wicked in his death. As for that latter part: he was violent to the people near the temple who were just doing their job - as God instructed (!!) and the deceit is evident from his lack of fulfillment of his own prophecies! This has nothing to do with Jesus.
@@thedungeon9992 Wow. Speaking of dishonest translation. Lamo can be either singular or plural but you know that. Isaiah 44:15 for example. The original/ancient Mishna and Gamara (Talmud) and the Midrashim interpretations. as well as other manuscripts, saw the passage of Isaiah 53 as a passage talking about the Messiah, not the nation of Israel. That’s means they interpreted it as singular not plural. When did that change, huh. Christian missionaries spreading that Jesus was the Messiah. Then they changed their stance. Research Rashi. Try again. Prior to Jesus even Jews saw it as a messianic passage. 😭😭😭😭😭😢 Can we please stop with the, if you only knew Hebrew silliness. The greatest Hebrew scholars in the history of the world took this as singular. I get that quote in every response. Every one. I’m just glad my Christian religion doesn’t rely on a secret oral tradition given to Moses mentioned no where in the Bible and that arose guess when, around 30 CE. What else happened in 30 CE?
@@user-bs1hi8fg8r yeah no it’s no singular see other passages where it’s used & it’s plural. What does Isaiah 43:10 say ? It’s singular but referring to the entire nation of Israel. Lamo is literally plural. So what’s the word for “He” in Biblical Hebrew. Because it sure ain’t lamo
In the original Hebrew texts, there are no chapter divisions, and Jew and Christian alike agree that chapter 53 is actually a continuation of the prophecy which begins at 52:13. Accordingly, our analysis must begin at that verse. 52:13 "Behold, My servant will prosper." Israel in the singular is called God's servant throughout Isaiah, both explicitly (Isa. 41:8-9; 44:1-2; 45:4; 48:20; 49:3) and implicitly (Isa. 42:19-20; 43:10) - the Messiah is not. Other references to Israel as God's servant include Jer. 30:10 (note that in Jer. 30:17, the servant Israel is regarded by the nations as an outcast, forsaken by God, as in Isa. 53:4); Jer. 46:27-28; Ps. 136:22; Lk. 1:54. ALSO: Given the Christian view that Jesus is God, is God His own servant? 52:15 - 53:1 "So shall he (the servant) startle many nations, the kings will stand speechless; For that which had not been told them they shall see and that which they had not heard shall they ponder. Who would believe what we have heard?" Quite clearly, the nations and their kings will be amazed at what happens to the "servant of the L-rd," and they will say "who would believe what we have heard?". 52:15 tells us explicitly that it is the nations of the world, the gentiles, who are doing the talking in Isaiah 53. See, also, Micah 7:12-17, which speaks of the nations' astonishment when the Jewish people again blossom in the Messianic age. 53:1 "And to whom has the arm of the L-rd been revealed?" In Isaiah, and throughout our Scriptures, God's "arm" refers to the physical redemption of the Jewish people from the oppression of other nations (see, e.g., Isa. 52:8-12; Isa. 63:12; Deut. 4:34; Deut. 7:19; Ps. 44:3). 53:3 "Despised and rejected of men." While this is clearly applicable to Israel (see Isa. 60:15; Ps. 44:13-14), it cannot be reconciled with the New Testament account of Jesus, a man who was supposedly "praised by all" (Lk. 4:14-15) and followed by multitudes (Matt. 4:25), who would later acclaim him as a prophet upon his triumphal entry into Jerusalem (Matt. 21:9-11). Even as he was taken to be crucified, a multitude bemoaned his fate (Lk. 23:27). Jesus had to be taken by stealth, as the rulers feared "a riot of the people" (Mk. 14:1-2). 53:3 "A man of pains and acquainted with disease." Israel's adversities are frequently likened to sickness - see, e.g., Isa. 1:5-6; Jer. 10:19; Jer 30:12. 53:4 "Surely our diseases he carried and our pains he bore." In Matt. 8:17, this is correctly translated, and said to be literally (not spiritually) fulfilled in Jesus' healing of the sick, a reading inconsistent with the Christian mistranslation of 53:4 itself. 53:4 "Yet we ourselves esteemed him stricken, smitten of G- D and afflicted." See Jer. 30:17 - of God's servant Israel (30:10), it is said by the nations, "It is Zion; no one cares for her." 53:5 "But he was wounded from (NOTE: not for) our transgressions, he was crushed from (AGAIN: not for) our iniquities." Whereas the nations had thought the Servant (Israel) was undergoing Divine retribution for its sins (53:4), they now realize that the Servant's sufferings stemmed from their actions and sinfulness. This theme is further developed throughout our Jewish Scriptures - see, e.g., Jer. 50:7; Jer. 10:25. ALSO: Note that the Messiah "shall not fail nor be crushed till he has set the right in the earth" (Isa. 42:4). 53:7 "He was oppressed and he was afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth. Like a lamb that is led to slaughter, and like a sheep that is silent before its shearers, so he did not open his mouth." Note that in the prior chapter (Isa. 52), Israel is said to have been oppressed and taken away without cause (52:4-5). A similar theme is developed in Psalm 44, wherein King David speaks of Israel's faithfulness even in the face of gentile oppression (44:17- 18) and describes Israel as "sheep to be slaughtered" in the midst of the unfaithful gentile nations (44:22,11). Regarding the claim that Jesus "did not open his mouth" when faced with oppression and affliction, see Matt. 27:46, Jn. 18:23, 36-37. 53:8 "From dominion and judgement he was taken away." Note the correct translation of the Hebrew. The Christians are forced to mistranslate, since - by Jesus' own testimony - he never had any rights to rulership or judgement, at least not on the "first coming." See, e.g., Jn. 3:17; Jn. 8:15; Jn. 12:47; Jn. 18:36. 53:8 "He was cut off out of the land of the living." 53:9 "His grave was assigned with wicked men." See Ez. 37:11-14, wherein Israelis described as "cut off" and God promises to open its "graves" and bring Israel back into its own land. Other examples of figurative deaths include Ex. 10:17; 2 Sam. 9:8; 2 Sam. 16:9. 53:8 "From my peoples' sins, there was injury to them." Here the Prophet makes absolutely clear, to anyone familiar with Biblical Hebrew, that the oppressed Servant is a collective Servant, not a single individual. The Hebrew word "lamoh", when used in our Scriptures, always means "to them" never "to him" and may be found, for example, in Psalm 99:7 - "They kept his testimonies, and the statute that He gave to them." 53:9 "And with the rich in his deaths." Perhaps King James should have changed the original Hebrew, which again makes clear that we are dealing with a collective Servant, i.e., Israel, which will "come to life" when the exile ends (Ez. 37:14). 53:9 "He had done no violence." See Matt. 21:12; Mk. 11:15-16; Lk. 19:45; Lk. 19:27; Matt. 10:34 and Lk. 12:51; then judge for yourself whether this passage is truly consistent with the New Testament account of Jesus. 53:10 "He shall see his seed." The Hebrew word for "seed", used in this verse, always refers to physical descendants in our Jewish Scriptures. See, e.g., Gen. 12:7; Gen. 15:13; Gen. 46:6; Ex. 28:43. A different word, generally translated as "sons", is used to refer to spiritual descendants (see Deut. 14:1, e.g.). 53:10 "He will prolong his days." Not only did Jesus die young, but how could the days be prolonged of someone who is alleged to be God? 53:11 "With his knowledge the righteous one, my Servant, will cause many to be just." Note again the correct translation: the Servant will cause many to be just, he will not "justify the many." The Jewish mission is to serve as a "light to the nations" which will ultimately lead the world to a knowledge of the one true God, this both by example (Deut. 4:5-8; Zech. 8:23) and by instructing the nations in God's Law (Isa. 2:3-4; Micah 4:2-3). 53:12 "Therefore, I will divide a portion to him with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the mighty." If Jesus is God, does the idea of reward have any meaning? Is it not rather the Jewish people - who righteously bore the sins of the world and yet remained faithful to God (Ps. 44) - who will be rewarded, and this in the manner described more fully in Isaiah chapters 52 and 54?
Isaiah 53:10 ¹⁰ Yet it was the Lords will to crush him and cause him to suffer and though the Lord makes his life a guilt offering he will see his offspring and prolong his days Read this honestly: Jesus neither had offspring, nor were his days prolonged: he died a young man at 33, therefore he was not our Messiah.
@@freecryptos because that's orthodoxy that all Christians, and even splinter heretic groups, agree with. If you're Jewish, then the temple sacrifices supposedly remove your sins. But God took away your temple and hasn't allowed it to return, and there's no more pure bloodline of Jewish priests to restore it even if you build a Temple. So either the Messiah came in the first century, or there's no God, or if there is a God then He has rejected you. Any Talmudic explanation around this contradicts scripture and is thus false.
@@The_Lord_has_it stop cherry picking versus because that's not about him . I recommend you use the Blue letter Bible. English translation is adding words to it
In the original Hebrew texts, there are no chapter divisions, and Jew and Christian alike agree that chapter 53 is actually a continuation of the prophecy which begins at 52:13. Accordingly, our analysis must begin at that verse. 52:13 "Behold, My servant will prosper." Israel in the singular is called God's servant throughout Isaiah, both explicitly (Isa. 41:8-9; 44:1-2; 45:4; 48:20; 49:3) and implicitly (Isa. 42:19-20; 43:10) - the Messiah is not. Other references to Israel as God's servant include Jer. 30:10 (note that in Jer. 30:17, the servant Israel is regarded by the nations as an outcast, forsaken by God, as in Isa. 53:4); Jer. 46:27-28; Ps. 136:22; Lk. 1:54. ALSO: Given the Christian view that Jesus is God, is God His own servant? 52:15 - 53:1 "So shall he (the servant) startle many nations, the kings will stand speechless; For that which had not been told them they shall see and that which they had not heard shall they ponder. Who would believe what we have heard?" Quite clearly, the nations and their kings will be amazed at what happens to the "servant of the L-rd," and they will say "who would believe what we have heard?". 52:15 tells us explicitly that it is the nations of the world, the gentiles, who are doing the talking in Isaiah 53. See, also, Micah 7:12-17, which speaks of the nations' astonishment when the Jewish people again blossom in the Messianic age. 53:1 "And to whom has the arm of the L-rd been revealed?" In Isaiah, and throughout our Scriptures, God's "arm" refers to the physical redemption of the Jewish people from the oppression of other nations (see, e.g., Isa. 52:8-12; Isa. 63:12; Deut. 4:34; Deut. 7:19; Ps. 44:3). 53:3 "Despised and rejected of men." While this is clearly applicable to Israel (see Isa. 60:15; Ps. 44:13-14), it cannot be reconciled with the New Testament account of Jesus, a man who was supposedly "praised by all" (Lk. 4:14-15) and followed by multitudes (Matt. 4:25), who would later acclaim him as a prophet upon his triumphal entry into Jerusalem (Matt. 21:9-11). Even as he was taken to be crucified, a multitude bemoaned his fate (Lk. 23:27). Jesus had to be taken by stealth, as the rulers feared "a riot of the people" (Mk. 14:1-2). 53:3 "A man of pains and acquainted with disease." Israel's adversities are frequently likened to sickness - see, e.g., Isa. 1:5-6; Jer. 10:19; Jer 30:12. 53:4 "Surely our diseases he carried and our pains he bore." In Matt. 8:17, this is correctly translated, and said to be literally (not spiritually) fulfilled in Jesus' healing of the sick, a reading inconsistent with the Christian mistranslation of 53:4 itself. 53:4 "Yet we ourselves esteemed him stricken, smitten of G- D and afflicted." See Jer. 30:17 - of God's servant Israel (30:10), it is said by the nations, "It is Zion; no one cares for her." 53:5 "But he was wounded from (NOTE: not for) our transgressions, he was crushed from (AGAIN: not for) our iniquities." Whereas the nations had thought the Servant (Israel) was undergoing Divine retribution for its sins (53:4), they now realize that the Servant's sufferings stemmed from their actions and sinfulness. This theme is further developed throughout our Jewish Scriptures - see, e.g., Jer. 50:7; Jer. 10:25. ALSO: Note that the Messiah "shall not fail nor be crushed till he has set the right in the earth" (Isa. 42:4). 53:7 "He was oppressed and he was afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth. Like a lamb that is led to slaughter, and like a sheep that is silent before its shearers, so he did not open his mouth." Note that in the prior chapter (Isa. 52), Israel is said to have been oppressed and taken away without cause (52:4-5). A similar theme is developed in Psalm 44, wherein King David speaks of Israel's faithfulness even in the face of gentile oppression (44:17- 18) and describes Israel as "sheep to be slaughtered" in the midst of the unfaithful gentile nations (44:22,11). Regarding the claim that Jesus "did not open his mouth" when faced with oppression and affliction, see Matt. 27:46, Jn. 18:23, 36-37. 53:8 "From dominion and judgement he was taken away." Note the correct translation of the Hebrew. The Christians are forced to mistranslate, since - by Jesus' own testimony - he never had any rights to rulership or judgement, at least not on the "first coming." See, e.g., Jn. 3:17; Jn. 8:15; Jn. 12:47; Jn. 18:36. 53:8 "He was cut off out of the land of the living." 53:9 "His grave was assigned with wicked men." See Ez. 37:11-14, wherein Israelis described as "cut off" and God promises to open its "graves" and bring Israel back into its own land. Other examples of figurative deaths include Ex. 10:17; 2 Sam. 9:8; 2 Sam. 16:9. 53:8 "From my peoples' sins, there was injury to them." Here the Prophet makes absolutely clear, to anyone familiar with Biblical Hebrew, that the oppressed Servant is a collective Servant, not a single individual. The Hebrew word "lamoh", when used in our Scriptures, always means "to them" never "to him" and may be found, for example, in Psalm 99:7 - "They kept his testimonies, and the statute that He gave to them." 53:9 "And with the rich in his deaths." Perhaps King James should have changed the original Hebrew, which again makes clear that we are dealing with a collective Servant, i.e., Israel, which will "come to life" when the exile ends (Ez. 37:14). 53:9 "He had done no violence." See Matt. 21:12; Mk. 11:15-16; Lk. 19:45; Lk. 19:27; Matt. 10:34 and Lk. 12:51; then judge for yourself whether this passage is truly consistent with the New Testament account of Jesus. 53:10 "He shall see his seed." The Hebrew word for "seed", used in this verse, always refers to physical descendants in our Jewish Scriptures. See, e.g., Gen. 12:7; Gen. 15:13; Gen. 46:6; Ex. 28:43. A different word, generally translated as "sons", is used to refer to spiritual descendants (see Deut. 14:1, e.g.). 53:10 "He will prolong his days." Not only did Jesus die young, but how could the days be prolonged of someone who is alleged to be God? 53:11 "With his knowledge the righteous one, my Servant, will cause many to be just." Note again the correct translation: the Servant will cause many to be just, he will not "justify the many." The Jewish mission is to serve as a "light to the nations" which will ultimately lead the world to a knowledge of the one true God, this both by example (Deut. 4:5-8; Zech. 8:23) and by instructing the nations in God's Law (Isa. 2:3-4; Micah 4:2-3). 53:12 "Therefore, I will divide a portion to him with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the mighty." If Jesus is God, does the idea of reward have any meaning? Is it not rather the Jewish people - who righteously bore the sins of the world and yet remained faithful to God (Ps. 44) - who will be rewarded, and this in the manner described more fully in Isaiah chapters 52 and 54?
This does not answer the ultimate response- the Resurrection. History is clear that even unbelievers of the time acknowledge that He rose from the dead. They just can't explain it, so they ignore it. He is risen!
There is no reference to any historian who was in the days of Jesus about him, especially since there is no reference to his "resurrection". Not that it matters in Deuteronomy 13 it is written that if a prophet comes and performs all kinds of miracles (for example resurrecting the dead) but tells us to follow a G-d that we and our ancestors did not know, he should be killed. The Jews did not hate Jesus for nothing, but killed Jesus out of their love for God. They stood the test.
Christians work for Jesus. It is idolatry. God appeared to my ancestors at Mount Sinai and warned us not to worship Him alone, see Deuteronomy 13. Even if a person comes (even if he performs miracles) but tells us to worship a God that we did not know about and our ancestors did not worship, then that person must be killed. Besides that, Jesus did not fulfill any Messianic prophecy in the Bible. The Messiah should be the king of the world to redeem Israel from their enemies to build the Temple to make world peace and at that time the whole world will worship the God of Israel. None of this happened. Instead the Christians invented a new belief that the Messiah should die About the sins of the world, even though it is written in the Bible many times (for example, Ezekiel 18) that no one can die for the sins of his neighbor, they invented that Isaiah 53 speaks of the Messiah and even translated it incorrectly, all in order to deceive so that people will believe that it speaks of Jesus, Isaiah 53 speaks of Israel That the nations of the world will realize at the time of redemption that everything they did to Israel was a bitter mistake, they will say "the crime of my people touched them", that is in the plural! Besides, if a person dies it obviously does not prove that he is the Messiah, finally all the false messiahs died. Jesus was not the only false Messiah in history. I can write a lot more here against Christianity but I think you should search for the truth yourself. I suggest you read articles on Rabbi Israel Blumenthal's website against Christianity and on Rabbi Moshe Shulman's website against Christianity, as well as read Rabbi Tovia Singer's books. Good luck.
@@marynavispriyasanthanaraj4345 Christians work for Jesus. It is idolatry. God appeared to my ancestors at Mount Sinai and warned us not to worship Him alone, see Deuteronomy 13. Even if a person comes (even if he performs miracles) but tells us to worship a God that we did not know about and our ancestors did not worship, then that person must be killed. Besides that, Jesus did not fulfill any Messianic prophecy in the Bible. The Messiah should be the king of the world to redeem Israel from their enemies to build the Temple to make world peace and at that time the whole world will worship the God of Israel. None of this happened. Instead the Christians invented a new belief that the Messiah should die About the sins of the world, even though it is written in the Bible many times (for example, Ezekiel 18) that no one can die for the sins of his neighbor, they invented that Isaiah 53 speaks of the Messiah and even translated it incorrectly, all in order to deceive so that people will believe that it speaks of Jesus, Isaiah 53 speaks of Israel That the nations of the world will realize at the time of redemption that everything they did to Israel was a bitter mistake, they will say "the crime of my people touched them", that is in the plural! Besides, if a person dies it obviously does not prove that he is the Messiah, finally all the false messiahs died. Jesus was not the only false Messiah in history. I can write a lot more here against Christianity but I think you should search for the truth yourself. I suggest you read articles on Rabbi Israel Blumenthal's website against Christianity and on Rabbi Moshe Shulman's website against Christianity, as well as read Rabbi Tovia Singer's books. Good luck.
Christianity has completely abolished the law despite the fact that it is written in dozens of places in the Bible that the law is forever and even during redemption we will keep God's laws see for example Ezekiel 37, Deuteronomy 30, Exodus 31 (regarding keeping the Sabbath), the Torah is life a blessing and good see Psalm 119 Deuteronomy 11 And more. Jesus said that eating forbidden foods does not defile a person contrary to the words of the Torah (Deuteronomy 14, Leviticus 11, Leviticus chapter 20 verse 25 and much more). The human body is nourished by food and unclean food defiles the body and soul. Jesus said that it is permissible to desecrate the Sabbath because the Sabbath was created for man. Of course it's stupid and if I'm cold on Shabbat I'm allowed to light a fire to warm up? Maybe it will also be allowed to eat pork because I'm hungry? lol Jesus said that he is a type of God, see Deuteronomy 13, foreign worship is defined as worshiping a God that we did not know about and our ancestors did not worship. Even if Jesus performed miracles it does not matter Hosea says "I am God and no man" Isaiah says "to whom shall you liken a god and what image shall you make to him". We worship only the same G-d that was revealed to us at Mount Sinai! Jesus was not there! He is a false prophet and the most obvious false messiah in history. Go to the website of Rabbi Israel Blumenthal and Rabbi Moshe Shulman against Christianity. There are many beautiful articles there.
This makes sense, Jesus was indeed wounded because of our sins because if we were as perfect as God we wouldn’t need a savior. So because we sin he had to sacrifice himself to buy us back. Also if Isaiah 53 isn’t talking about Jesus then who is psalm 22 talking about? Seems like the same person to me.
Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.
The semantic form does not dictate the idea behind the text. To prioritise the letter of the law, the text, above the spirit of the law, the intention, is warned against Rom. 2-28, Eph. 6-12, and many more
Wounded “for” or wounded “from”…ah dunno…pretty close to the same meaning…seems like cognitive bias here…but isn’t that the ongoing problem? We all have cognitive biases and “see” or hear what we want or need to see or hear in pretty well all of “reality”.
@@Exodus_ProjectConsidering that jesus could be said to have been wounded FOR and FROM our transgressions would both be accurate. not sure what the point of the video is
@@Exodus_Project IF hes wounded from our transgressions.... its def Christ... period. Hes the only one that had to die from our own sins. We go on sinning till death do we not?Some try not too ... but somehow u still do.
Nope. Jews been correcting Protestant King James Bibles for a long time, some 600 to a thousand versus. So why do you think they do that? Even though they themselves admit they lost their ability to translate correctly some 2000 years ago?
The Jewish People Know Their Language ! Christianity is Wrong On Many Levels ! Only the 5 Books of Moses the Torah was translated by the Rabbis from Biblical Hebrew to Greek. That was the Original Translation; Check it Out ! Better Yet Learn Biblical Hebrew. There are Countless Errors in the Christian Bibles !
It's painful seeing how severely the original hebrew can be mistranslated and distorted. The verses literally switch to the plural ואת עשיר במותיו "and with the wealthy his many deceased" במותיו is plural, the servant is more than one person 🤦🏻♂️
@JustAReader2050 Ever heard of the Masada scrolls or the DeadSea scrolls? Don't make a circus of yourself. All the Masoretic text did was give punctuation to the text. Dunce.
@@MagnusDudus In the original Hebrew texts, there are no chapter divisions, and Jew and Christian alike agree that chapter 53 is actually a continuation of the prophecy which begins at 52:13. Accordingly, our analysis must begin at that verse. 52:13 "Behold, My servant will prosper." Israel in the singular is called God's servant throughout Isaiah, both explicitly (Isa. 41:8-9; 44:1-2; 45:4; 48:20; 49:3) and implicitly (Isa. 42:19-20; 43:10) - the Messiah is not. Other references to Israel as God's servant include Jer. 30:10 (note that in Jer. 30:17, the servant Israel is regarded by the nations as an outcast, forsaken by God, as in Isa. 53:4); Jer. 46:27-28; Ps. 136:22; Lk. 1:54. ALSO: Given the Christian view that Jesus is God, is God His own servant? 52:15 - 53:1 "So shall he (the servant) startle many nations, the kings will stand speechless; For that which had not been told them they shall see and that which they had not heard shall they ponder. Who would believe what we have heard?" Quite clearly, the nations and their kings will be amazed at what happens to the "servant of the L-rd," and they will say "who would believe what we have heard?". 52:15 tells us explicitly that it is the nations of the world, the gentiles, who are doing the talking in Isaiah 53. See, also, Micah 7:12-17, which speaks of the nations' astonishment when the Jewish people again blossom in the Messianic age. 53:1 "And to whom has the arm of the L-rd been revealed?" In Isaiah, and throughout our Scriptures, God's "arm" refers to the physical redemption of the Jewish people from the oppression of other nations (see, e.g., Isa. 52:8-12; Isa. 63:12; Deut. 4:34; Deut. 7:19; Ps. 44:3). 53:3 "Despised and rejected of men." While this is clearly applicable to Israel (see Isa. 60:15; Ps. 44:13-14), it cannot be reconciled with the New Testament account of Jesus, a man who was supposedly "praised by all" (Lk. 4:14-15) and followed by multitudes (Matt. 4:25), who would later acclaim him as a prophet upon his triumphal entry into Jerusalem (Matt. 21:9-11). Even as he was taken to be crucified, a multitude bemoaned his fate (Lk. 23:27). Jesus had to be taken by stealth, as the rulers feared "a riot of the people" (Mk. 14:1-2). 53:3 "A man of pains and acquainted with disease." Israel's adversities are frequently likened to sickness - see, e.g., Isa. 1:5-6; Jer. 10:19; Jer 30:12. 53:4 "Surely our diseases he carried and our pains he bore." In Matt. 8:17, this is correctly translated, and said to be literally (not spiritually) fulfilled in Jesus' healing of the sick, a reading inconsistent with the Christian mistranslation of 53:4 itself. 53:4 "Yet we ourselves esteemed him stricken, smitten of G- D and afflicted." See Jer. 30:17 - of God's servant Israel (30:10), it is said by the nations, "It is Zion; no one cares for her." 53:5 "But he was wounded from (NOTE: not for) our transgressions, he was crushed from (AGAIN: not for) our iniquities." Whereas the nations had thought the Servant (Israel) was undergoing Divine retribution for its sins (53:4), they now realize that the Servant's sufferings stemmed from their actions and sinfulness. This theme is further developed throughout our Jewish Scriptures - see, e.g., Jer. 50:7; Jer. 10:25. ALSO: Note that the Messiah "shall not fail nor be crushed till he has set the right in the earth" (Isa. 42:4). 53:7 "He was oppressed and he was afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth. Like a lamb that is led to slaughter, and like a sheep that is silent before its shearers, so he did not open his mouth." Note that in the prior chapter (Isa. 52), Israel is said to have been oppressed and taken away without cause (52:4-5). A similar theme is developed in Psalm 44, wherein King David speaks of Israel's faithfulness even in the face of gentile oppression (44:17- 18) and describes Israel as "sheep to be slaughtered" in the midst of the unfaithful gentile nations (44:22,11). Regarding the claim that Jesus "did not open his mouth" when faced with oppression and affliction, see Matt. 27:46, Jn. 18:23, 36-37. 53:8 "From dominion and judgement he was taken away." Note the correct translation of the Hebrew. The Christians are forced to mistranslate, since - by Jesus' own testimony - he never had any rights to rulership or judgement, at least not on the "first coming." See, e.g., Jn. 3:17; Jn. 8:15; Jn. 12:47; Jn. 18:36. 53:8 "He was cut off out of the land of the living." 53:9 "His grave was assigned with wicked men." See Ez. 37:11-14, wherein Israelis described as "cut off" and God promises to open its "graves" and bring Israel back into its own land. Other examples of figurative deaths include Ex. 10:17; 2 Sam. 9:8; 2 Sam. 16:9. 53:8 "From my peoples' sins, there was injury to them." Here the Prophet makes absolutely clear, to anyone familiar with Biblical Hebrew, that the oppressed Servant is a collective Servant, not a single individual. The Hebrew word "lamoh", when used in our Scriptures, always means "to them" never "to him" and may be found, for example, in Psalm 99:7 - "They kept his testimonies, and the statute that He gave to them." 53:9 "And with the rich in his deaths." Perhaps King James should have changed the original Hebrew, which again makes clear that we are dealing with a collective Servant, i.e., Israel, which will "come to life" when the exile ends (Ez. 37:14). 53:9 "He had done no violence." See Matt. 21:12; Mk. 11:15-16; Lk. 19:45; Lk. 19:27; Matt. 10:34 and Lk. 12:51; then judge for yourself whether this passage is truly consistent with the New Testament account of Jesus. 53:10 "He shall see his seed." The Hebrew word for "seed", used in this verse, always refers to physical descendants in our Jewish Scriptures. See, e.g., Gen. 12:7; Gen. 15:13; Gen. 46:6; Ex. 28:43. A different word, generally translated as "sons", is used to refer to spiritual descendants (see Deut. 14:1, e.g.). 53:10 "He will prolong his days." Not only did Jesus die young, but how could the days be prolonged of someone who is alleged to be God? 53:11 "With his knowledge the righteous one, my Servant, will cause many to be just." Note again the correct translation: the Servant will cause many to be just, he will not "justify the many." The Jewish mission is to serve as a "light to the nations" which will ultimately lead the world to a knowledge of the one true God, this both by example (Deut. 4:5-8; Zech. 8:23) and by instructing the nations in God's Law (Isa. 2:3-4; Micah 4:2-3). 53:12 "Therefore, I will divide a portion to him with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the mighty." If Jesus is God, does the idea of reward have any meaning? Is it not rather the Jewish people - who righteously bore the sins of the world and yet remained faithful to God (Ps. 44) - who will be rewarded, and this in the manner described more fully in Isaiah chapters 52 and 54?
In the original Hebrew texts, there are no chapter divisions, and Jew and Christian alike agree that chapter 53 is actually a continuation of the prophecy which begins at 52:13. Accordingly, our analysis must begin at that verse. 52:13 "Behold, My servant will prosper." Israel in the singular is called God's servant throughout Isaiah, both explicitly (Isa. 41:8-9; 44:1-2; 45:4; 48:20; 49:3) and implicitly (Isa. 42:19-20; 43:10) - the Messiah is not. Other references to Israel as God's servant include Jer. 30:10 (note that in Jer. 30:17, the servant Israel is regarded by the nations as an outcast, forsaken by God, as in Isa. 53:4); Jer. 46:27-28; Ps. 136:22; Lk. 1:54. ALSO: Given the Christian view that Jesus is God, is God His own servant? 52:15 - 53:1 "So shall he (the servant) startle many nations, the kings will stand speechless; For that which had not been told them they shall see and that which they had not heard shall they ponder. Who would believe what we have heard?" Quite clearly, the nations and their kings will be amazed at what happens to the "servant of the L-rd," and they will say "who would believe what we have heard?". 52:15 tells us explicitly that it is the nations of the world, the gentiles, who are doing the talking in Isaiah 53. See, also, Micah 7:12-17, which speaks of the nations' astonishment when the Jewish people again blossom in the Messianic age. 53:1 "And to whom has the arm of the L-rd been revealed?" In Isaiah, and throughout our Scriptures, God's "arm" refers to the physical redemption of the Jewish people from the oppression of other nations (see, e.g., Isa. 52:8-12; Isa. 63:12; Deut. 4:34; Deut. 7:19; Ps. 44:3). 53:3 "Despised and rejected of men." While this is clearly applicable to Israel (see Isa. 60:15; Ps. 44:13-14), it cannot be reconciled with the New Testament account of Jesus, a man who was supposedly "praised by all" (Lk. 4:14-15) and followed by multitudes (Matt. 4:25), who would later acclaim him as a prophet upon his triumphal entry into Jerusalem (Matt. 21:9-11). Even as he was taken to be crucified, a multitude bemoaned his fate (Lk. 23:27). Jesus had to be taken by stealth, as the rulers feared "a riot of the people" (Mk. 14:1-2). 53:3 "A man of pains and acquainted with disease." Israel's adversities are frequently likened to sickness - see, e.g., Isa. 1:5-6; Jer. 10:19; Jer 30:12. 53:4 "Surely our diseases he carried and our pains he bore." In Matt. 8:17, this is correctly translated, and said to be literally (not spiritually) fulfilled in Jesus' healing of the sick, a reading inconsistent with the Christian mistranslation of 53:4 itself. 53:4 "Yet we ourselves esteemed him stricken, smitten of G- D and afflicted." See Jer. 30:17 - of God's servant Israel (30:10), it is said by the nations, "It is Zion; no one cares for her." 53:5 "But he was wounded from (NOTE: not for) our transgressions, he was crushed from (AGAIN: not for) our iniquities." Whereas the nations had thought the Servant (Israel) was undergoing Divine retribution for its sins (53:4), they now realize that the Servant's sufferings stemmed from their actions and sinfulness. This theme is further developed throughout our Jewish Scriptures - see, e.g., Jer. 50:7; Jer. 10:25. ALSO: Note that the Messiah "shall not fail nor be crushed till he has set the right in the earth" (Isa. 42:4). 53:7 "He was oppressed and he was afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth. Like a lamb that is led to slaughter, and like a sheep that is silent before its shearers, so he did not open his mouth." Note that in the prior chapter (Isa. 52), Israel is said to have been oppressed and taken away without cause (52:4-5). A similar theme is developed in Psalm 44, wherein King David speaks of Israel's faithfulness even in the face of gentile oppression (44:17- 18) and describes Israel as "sheep to be slaughtered" in the midst of the unfaithful gentile nations (44:22,11). Regarding the claim that Jesus "did not open his mouth" when faced with oppression and affliction, see Matt. 27:46, Jn. 18:23, 36-37. 53:8 "From dominion and judgement he was taken away." Note the correct translation of the Hebrew. The Christians are forced to mistranslate, since - by Jesus' own testimony - he never had any rights to rulership or judgement, at least not on the "first coming." See, e.g., Jn. 3:17; Jn. 8:15; Jn. 12:47; Jn. 18:36. 53:8 "He was cut off out of the land of the living." 53:9 "His grave was assigned with wicked men." See Ez. 37:11-14, wherein Israelis described as "cut off" and God promises to open its "graves" and bring Israel back into its own land. Other examples of figurative deaths include Ex. 10:17; 2 Sam. 9:8; 2 Sam. 16:9. 53:8 "From my peoples' sins, there was injury to them." Here the Prophet makes absolutely clear, to anyone familiar with Biblical Hebrew, that the oppressed Servant is a collective Servant, not a single individual. The Hebrew word "lamoh", when used in our Scriptures, always means "to them" never "to him" and may be found, for example, in Psalm 99:7 - "They kept his testimonies, and the statute that He gave to them." 53:9 "And with the rich in his deaths." Perhaps King James should have changed the original Hebrew, which again makes clear that we are dealing with a collective Servant, i.e., Israel, which will "come to life" when the exile ends (Ez. 37:14). 53:9 "He had done no violence." See Matt. 21:12; Mk. 11:15-16; Lk. 19:45; Lk. 19:27; Matt. 10:34 and Lk. 12:51; then judge for yourself whether this passage is truly consistent with the New Testament account of Jesus. 53:10 "He shall see his seed." The Hebrew word for "seed", used in this verse, always refers to physical descendants in our Jewish Scriptures. See, e.g., Gen. 12:7; Gen. 15:13; Gen. 46:6; Ex. 28:43. A different word, generally translated as "sons", is used to refer to spiritual descendants (see Deut. 14:1, e.g.). 53:10 "He will prolong his days." Not only did Jesus die young, but how could the days be prolonged of someone who is alleged to be God? 53:11 "With his knowledge the righteous one, my Servant, will cause many to be just." Note again the correct translation: the Servant will cause many to be just, he will not "justify the many." The Jewish mission is to serve as a "light to the nations" which will ultimately lead the world to a knowledge of the one true God, this both by example (Deut. 4:5-8; Zech. 8:23) and by instructing the nations in God's Law (Isa. 2:3-4; Micah 4:2-3). 53:12 "Therefore, I will divide a portion to him with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the mighty." If Jesus is God, does the idea of reward have any meaning? Is it not rather the Jewish people - who righteously bore the sins of the world and yet remained faithful to God (Ps. 44) - who will be rewarded, and this in the manner described more fully in Isaiah chapters 52 and 54?
The verses even according to their translations fit Moses more than anyone, buried in the place of the wicked ie: in Moav right by where the idolatry of Pe'or was where israel sinned and many sinners died there, being denied access to israel (bc of israel Deuteronomy 1 verse 37, ie: cut from the land of the living), and needing to be buried in a place of sinners, fasting non-stop for God to forgive Israel and God accepting and forgiving because of his prayers, teaching Torah to Israel and making them go on the right path, and God repeatedly calls Moses "My servant" all over hebrew scripture too (Deuteronomy 34 verse 5).
@@rosemarietolentino3218 That's why its so important to know a) hebrew, b) original scripture. Isaiah 53 verse 3 says איש מכאובות וידוע חולי a person who knows consistent pain and a lifetime of disease/weakness. Ofcourse your deliberate christian mistranslation won't tell you that. Does that apply to your diety? Verse 4 literally says "he carried our sickness" if you want to say that disease/sickness is referring to sins, see Deuteronomy 9 verses 18&19, Moses's fasting caused God to forgive the jewish people. Isaiah 53 verse 5 literally says "he is profaned because of our sins, and in his suffering we are healed", moses was denied access to Israel bc of the jewish people's mistakes (Deuteronomy 1 verse 37) and was buried in the place of where the jewish people fell for idolatry (Numbers 25 verse 18, Deuteronomy 34 verse 6). Acc to the NT jeZeus was buried with the rich and passed away with the wicked, but the verse in isaiah 53 verse 9 is reversed, the servant passes away with the rich and is buried with the transgressors. It fits Moses tho, who was buried with transgressors and denied access to the land of the living. With his wisdom he taught the Jewish people God's torah and had students who became prophets, (isaiah 53 verse 11) and Moses literally gave his life up for the Jewish people (Exodus 32 verse 32) and God forgave yisrael bc of it. And Moses is repeatedly called God's servant all over scripture (Joshua 1 verse 2, Deuteronomy 34 verse 5). And considering that we believe there will be a reincarnation at the end times, the xistian mistranslation of isaiah 53 fits Moses more than it fits your zeus hercules pegasus diety.
@@JustAReader2050 Ever heard of the Masada scrolls or the DeadSea scrolls? Don't make a circus of yourself. All the Masoretic text did was give punctuation to the text. Dunce.
@@Yehonatan613 I'm sorry but Moses is not the servant spoke in Isaiah 53. Read the whole chapter. Jesus was without sin and only He fulfilled the law. Moses wasn't allowed to enter the promised land bc he struck the rock TWICE! And for that, God said Moses won't enter the promised land. Jesus was to be stricken ONCE FKR US ALL. And you're choosing words that can literally mean the same thing. Our transgressions or inequity. It's the same as a disease of SIN. It's slowly killing us. The problem the Jews are having is you don't think you need a savior and you think by doing works and keeping the law you'll enter the kingdom of God. No one comes to the Father except through the Son. You can't accept Jesus is God, part of the Trinity, well who did Jacob struggle with all night and who dislocated his hip. Scripture says it was a man who came to Jacob. That man was the Son of Man Jesus Christ. He gave Jacob his new name Israel. You're putting God in a box saying He can't do whatever He wants. God spoke through a DONKEY! He most certainly can come down from His throne as the Son of God a man. Jesus was 100% God and 100% man. He came as a man to experience all we do so He can could overcome it and yet still have compassion for us bc He understands. The Holy Spirit of God is given to us as our comfort or, counselor, teacher, intercessor, helper and He convicts us if our sins so we will repent. Only Jesus who was PERFECT AND SINLESS CAN FULFILL THIS PROPHECY. It's not Moses or Israel its Jesus/ YESHUA whose name MEANS SALVATION. By rejecting Him you're missing out on the Greatest relationship in the world you'll ever have. God desired to come down and Tabernacle with us but bc of the sin of Adam and Eve He won't. A blood atonement had to be made for our sins. Animal sacrifice you have to do it over and over. Jesus conquered death on the cross and there's now NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SIN. Read it without all your Jewish rabbi's teachings bc you're missing out on the Savior your King, The Messiah who conquered death. 🇮🇱
@@kobusyssel2840When Messiah comes, there will be world peace; Jesus said he did not come to bring peace, but a sword. Jesus taught people in Mark 7 they don't need to follow Leviticus 11, but when the REAL Messiah comes, he will teach people to live according to Torah. Sorry, your Jesus is a fake god. By the way, Alexander the Great believed he was the son of a human woman and the god Zeus. Do you believe that? If not, why not believe Alexander, but believe Jesus was a demigod?
That explanation in no way proves this was not a prophecy of Christ. All you are asserting is that Isaiah 53 doesnt prove substitutionary atonement. That is debateable to say the least, as SA is established all throughout scripture
@@JustAReader2050First of all, I don't read the Talmud; I read enough of it to know it's not the word of HaShem. The Star of David and the Chamsa came from Hinduism; ironically so did the swastika. Second, Christianity came from Judaism, so what does that tell you about Christianity?
@@JustAReader2050The reason I called it "The Star of David" is because that's what the Jews call it "Magen David". As I said, it originated from Hinduism, which is the oldest religion on earth. As for Christianity coming out of Judaism, my point is, if Judaism is corrupt or false, then Christianity is even worse. FYI, I'm not a Christian or a Jew; I just hate Christianity because it's a pack of lies, and its adherents are pompous arrogant stooges.
😂😂 Psalm 22 of King David 16 Dogs surround me, a pack of villains encircles me; they pierce my hands and my feet. 17 All my bones are on display; people stare and gloat over me. 18 They divide my clothes among them and cast lots for my garment. Zechariah 12:1 10 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son. Isaiah 14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. 15 He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, Jeremiah 19 Yet I was like a trusting lamb led to slaughter, not knowing that they were hatching plots against me: “Let us destroy the tree in its vigor; let us cut him off from the land of the living, so that his name will no longer be remembered.” Isaiah 52:13-53:12 The Suffering and Glory of the Servant 13 See, my servant will act wisely he will be raised and lifted up and highly exalted. 14 Just as there were many who were appalled at him his appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any human being and his form marred beyond human likeness 15 so he will sprinkle many nations and kings will shut their mouths because of him. For what they were not told, they will see, and what they have not heard, they will understand.
just ignore all previous debates and consider this question, why would a man have joy in being tortured alive for the sake of people who hate him and don't even believe in him and his love? if someone has such intense love, how come they not be from god if god is love? why would you ashame someone that loves and cares about you so deeply? isn't this sinfull? then why is it you do it? consider and evaluate this and I am sure you'll have no doubt that you only do this because you have fallen under satan's confusion and destruction
*ad hominem And it did invalidate your point as in Hebrew & English, “from” operates in the same way. For example, “I bought something from you.” vs “I bought something for you.” Completely different statements & contexts. See how invalid your point is? 😂
@@Exodus_Project of and from in almost all languages are used interchangeably. I can say I'm from america, or I can sound shakespearean and say I'm of America.
“After this period of sixty-two sets of seven, the Anointed One will be killed, appearing to have accomplished nothing, and a ruler will arise whose armies will destroy the city and the Temple. The end will come with a flood, and war and its miseries are decreed from that time to the very end. Daniel 9:26 Please find me a Massiah who lived and died before the destruction of the second temple. Please explain.
@@rukiaguy yeah, it's been three months and no one has because they can't. You sure can't or you would've. You just commented a bunch of irrelevant nothing.
SO MANY comments from those Christians who DO NOT read the entire Book of Isaiah. They desperately cling to this one verse, taken out of context and without really thinking objectively, replacing ISRAEL with Jesus as the "suffering servant". They should owe it to themselves to read the verses BEFORE and AFTER Isaiah 53.
With context given by the gospel it is clear Christians are right because not only does the context given the life, death resurrection and miracles of Jesus Christ and his Gospel not contradic the verses in the torah they prove them to be true, meanwhile here on earth if the messiah has not already come (whter it be jesus or anyone else) the torah is proven false, by jewish people who are probably falsely linked to the genetic line of Jacob, because how is that the "Israelites" have a nation in the promise land, without a messiah to guide them out of the exile given to the by God? how is it that they have a nation free from exile without the 3d temple already existing and the messiah already existing? How you view the scripture proves your understanding of it to either be false or the word of God to be a lie. God doesn't Lie so I am going to say you just don't understand what God told us all. We have every holy word of the torah that you do and yet our understanding of it is that God has proven every prophesy in the torah to be fulfilled through his one begotten son, and his word which is perfect made flesh, The only flesh an Levitical priest could ever offer him for the salvation of sins is the spotless lamb. This is who Jesus is.
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9kq4sCWOMcw.htmlsi=-P4led0y9Z_2K4K1 So many jews who put themaelves instead of jesus christ So entitled and so dumb Where is immanual The child thats named god with us. You discuss rather if its the virgin or a jung girl whilst forgetting about the child. Its the endtimes Dear jews you missed him Or are you saying god didnt deliver
Read Isaiah 53 in Aramaic, literally anyone can understand that it says what the modern day translation Bible says. The Dead Sea Scrolls further solidify this. Isaish 53 is about Jesus Christ the Messiah.
Such a detailed explanation of exactly how Jews (and many others) will be deceived by the Anti-Christ. It can be difficult to imagine how so many will be deceived until someone like this person demonstrates it in detail and vividly. You are certainly "tickling their ears and telling them exactly what they want to hear". May God have mercy on your soul, neighbor.
@@Yehonatan613 "All we like sheep have gone astrat, everyone to his own way we've turned, and the Lord יהוה has laid on him the iniquity of us all". 'All we.." - Isaiah is talking about Israel 'we' and also 'of us all'. Just the context itself testifies about another man and not Israel. That's what Jews at that time tried and still trying to hide and change, even Egyptian manuscripts testify about it
@@Artiek23 The hebrew in Isaiah 53 switches between the singular and plural, showing that the "servant" is more than one person. It says "ואת עשיר במותיו" "and with the wealthy his many deceased", the word במותיו is PLURAL, not singular, "his many deceased ones", but the church deliberately translated it as "his death" to fit their agenda. Same with "מפשע עמי נגע למו" "from the sins of my nation a disease to THEM", the word למו is always plural "them", it's not "him" as the church deliberately changed. Compare Isaiah 53:9 with Zephania 3:13, a parallel prophecy, the "servant" is the loyal remnant of israel. Compare the parallel end times prophecy of Isaiah 52:15 to Micha 7:15-17. See? Who is the "root out of a DRY GROUND" in Ezekiel 19:13? Who is "the PLANT" in Jeremiah 2:21? Who is "the VINE" in isaiah 5:7? Who is the "majestic vine" in ezekiel 17 verses 1&8. The nation of Israel. "Not so *MY SERVANT* Moses, for in My entire household, he is the most faithful" (Numbers 12 verse 7). God repeatedly calls Moses "My Servant" (Joshua 1 verses 2&7). Moses, a human servant of God, from his closeness and high levels of clinging to God, his HUMAN face RADIATED (Exodus 34 verses 29-35) till the point of needing a mask (see verses), yet "God in the flesh" during his HUMAN life couldn't reach the level of Moses, a human servant of God, where his face literally radiated? *God also calls the Jewish people His servants (leviticus 25 verse 42&55).* If the christian man-diety is "God" how can he be a servant to God? The messiah will FEAR God (isaiah 11 verses 2&3).
All we can do is pray for them. They will be ever hearing but never understanding; ever seeing but never perceiving...till the time of the gentiles is completed
This literally didn’t end anything. You don’t think we study and read the original language? This false refutation has been refuted itself, you didn’t come up with anything new, and you definitely didn’t end the “debate.”
This is 100% correct. The suffering servant is not Jesus. it's Israel, its people. and we need to end the Isaiah 7 debate as well. Folks, it's Ha-almah menaing young woman. If it was virgin, dont you think the scribes would've said betula?
If doesn’t prove it’s Not Jesus. To substitute for our to from our doesn’t change the meaning of whose iniquities they were and who took them on instead of us.
@@Exodus_Project No it doesn't. They are still our iniquities, not the man of sorrows iniquities. "from our" can mean proceeded from just like "for our"
In the original Hebrew texts, there are no chapter divisions, and Jew and Christian alike agree that chapter 53 is actually a continuation of the prophecy which begins at 52:13. Accordingly, our analysis must begin at that verse. 52:13 "Behold, My servant will prosper." Israel in the singular is called God's servant throughout Isaiah, both explicitly (Isa. 41:8-9; 44:1-2; 45:4; 48:20; 49:3) and implicitly (Isa. 42:19-20; 43:10) - the Messiah is not. Other references to Israel as God's servant include Jer. 30:10 (note that in Jer. 30:17, the servant Israel is regarded by the nations as an outcast, forsaken by God, as in Isa. 53:4); Jer. 46:27-28; Ps. 136:22; Lk. 1:54. ALSO: Given the Christian view that Jesus is God, is God His own servant? 52:15 - 53:1 "So shall he (the servant) startle many nations, the kings will stand speechless; For that which had not been told them they shall see and that which they had not heard shall they ponder. Who would believe what we have heard?" Quite clearly, the nations and their kings will be amazed at what happens to the "servant of the L-rd," and they will say "who would believe what we have heard?". 52:15 tells us explicitly that it is the nations of the world, the gentiles, who are doing the talking in Isaiah 53. See, also, Micah 7:12-17, which speaks of the nations' astonishment when the Jewish people again blossom in the Messianic age. 53:1 "And to whom has the arm of the L-rd been revealed?" In Isaiah, and throughout our Scriptures, God's "arm" refers to the physical redemption of the Jewish people from the oppression of other nations (see, e.g., Isa. 52:8-12; Isa. 63:12; Deut. 4:34; Deut. 7:19; Ps. 44:3). 53:3 "Despised and rejected of men." While this is clearly applicable to Israel (see Isa. 60:15; Ps. 44:13-14), it cannot be reconciled with the New Testament account of Jesus, a man who was supposedly "praised by all" (Lk. 4:14-15) and followed by multitudes (Matt. 4:25), who would later acclaim him as a prophet upon his triumphal entry into Jerusalem (Matt. 21:9-11). Even as he was taken to be crucified, a multitude bemoaned his fate (Lk. 23:27). Jesus had to be taken by stealth, as the rulers feared "a riot of the people" (Mk. 14:1-2). 53:3 "A man of pains and acquainted with disease." Israel's adversities are frequently likened to sickness - see, e.g., Isa. 1:5-6; Jer. 10:19; Jer 30:12. 53:4 "Surely our diseases he carried and our pains he bore." In Matt. 8:17, this is correctly translated, and said to be literally (not spiritually) fulfilled in Jesus' healing of the sick, a reading inconsistent with the Christian mistranslation of 53:4 itself. 53:4 "Yet we ourselves esteemed him stricken, smitten of G- D and afflicted." See Jer. 30:17 - of God's servant Israel (30:10), it is said by the nations, "It is Zion; no one cares for her." 53:5 "But he was wounded from (NOTE: not for) our transgressions, he was crushed from (AGAIN: not for) our iniquities." Whereas the nations had thought the Servant (Israel) was undergoing Divine retribution for its sins (53:4), they now realize that the Servant's sufferings stemmed from their actions and sinfulness. This theme is further developed throughout our Jewish Scriptures - see, e.g., Jer. 50:7; Jer. 10:25. ALSO: Note that the Messiah "shall not fail nor be crushed till he has set the right in the earth" (Isa. 42:4). 53:7 "He was oppressed and he was afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth. Like a lamb that is led to slaughter, and like a sheep that is silent before its shearers, so he did not open his mouth." Note that in the prior chapter (Isa. 52), Israel is said to have been oppressed and taken away without cause (52:4-5). A similar theme is developed in Psalm 44, wherein King David speaks of Israel's faithfulness even in the face of gentile oppression (44:17- 18) and describes Israel as "sheep to be slaughtered" in the midst of the unfaithful gentile nations (44:22,11). Regarding the claim that Jesus "did not open his mouth" when faced with oppression and affliction, see Matt. 27:46, Jn. 18:23, 36-37. 53:8 "From dominion and judgement he was taken away." Note the correct translation of the Hebrew. The Christians are forced to mistranslate, since - by Jesus' own testimony - he never had any rights to rulership or judgement, at least not on the "first coming." See, e.g., Jn. 3:17; Jn. 8:15; Jn. 12:47; Jn. 18:36. 53:8 "He was cut off out of the land of the living." 53:9 "His grave was assigned with wicked men." See Ez. 37:11-14, wherein Israelis described as "cut off" and God promises to open its "graves" and bring Israel back into its own land. Other examples of figurative deaths include Ex. 10:17; 2 Sam. 9:8; 2 Sam. 16:9. 53:8 "From my peoples' sins, there was injury to them." Here the Prophet makes absolutely clear, to anyone familiar with Biblical Hebrew, that the oppressed Servant is a collective Servant, not a single individual. The Hebrew word "lamoh", when used in our Scriptures, always means "to them" never "to him" and may be found, for example, in Psalm 99:7 - "They kept his testimonies, and the statute that He gave to them." 53:9 "And with the rich in his deaths." Perhaps King James should have changed the original Hebrew, which again makes clear that we are dealing with a collective Servant, i.e., Israel, which will "come to life" when the exile ends (Ez. 37:14). 53:9 "He had done no violence." See Matt. 21:12; Mk. 11:15-16; Lk. 19:45; Lk. 19:27; Matt. 10:34 and Lk. 12:51; then judge for yourself whether this passage is truly consistent with the New Testament account of Jesus. 53:10 "He shall see his seed." The Hebrew word for "seed", used in this verse, always refers to physical descendants in our Jewish Scriptures. See, e.g., Gen. 12:7; Gen. 15:13; Gen. 46:6; Ex. 28:43. A different word, generally translated as "sons", is used to refer to spiritual descendants (see Deut. 14:1, e.g.). 53:10 "He will prolong his days." Not only did Jesus die young, but how could the days be prolonged of someone who is alleged to be God? 53:11 "With his knowledge the righteous one, my Servant, will cause many to be just." Note again the correct translation: the Servant will cause many to be just, he will not "justify the many." The Jewish mission is to serve as a "light to the nations" which will ultimately lead the world to a knowledge of the one true God, this both by example (Deut. 4:5-8; Zech. 8:23) and by instructing the nations in God's Law (Isa. 2:3-4; Micah 4:2-3). 53:12 "Therefore, I will divide a portion to him with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the mighty." If Jesus is God, does the idea of reward have any meaning? Is it not rather the Jewish people - who righteously bore the sins of the world and yet remained faithful to God (Ps. 44) - who will be rewarded, and this in the manner described more fully in Isaiah chapters 52 and 54?
I'm not convinced of your interpretation at all. If taken in isolation, you may have some evidence. However, it's all of the other passages in the tanakh and the Torah itself that convinces me otherwise. Good try though.
Sir, the author is talking about their (Israelites) sins being bore by something outside of themselves. If it is true that the Prophet Isaiah was talking about Israel boring the sins of her people, then the Israelites themselves will bore it. It does not make sense because the author was clearly pointing out that someone will bore their sins (the Israelite's sins) and not the Israelites themselves. He could have said that they will be the one who will endure the sufferings brought by their own sin.
I dont understand what the Jews then and now dont understand...how can someone let themselves be crucified, and had numerous times to stop it by just saying "I am not the Son of God." But no, He did not let that happen because He had to fulfill what the scripture had said. Isaiah 53, Psalm 22, Psalm 88, and so on. How much more shall we have to give to you before your eyes are open? How much more pearls shall we cast upon swine? If you did not receive him when He first came, then you will not recieve him when he comes again! You keep on with your "oral" law and day of atonement with no forgiveness of sins because there is no temple so your sins are stacking up, only Jesus can wash away your sins.
Yea kind of like how all the people from Europe are white who claim to be from the exact same lineage Jesus was, but they go to the land that God literally made for them and get sun cancer. or so they believe
Who has gone up to heaven and come down? Whose hands have gathered up the wind? Who has wrapped up the waters in a cloak? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is the name of his son? Surely you know! Proverbs 30:4
If any christians comment to the contrary to the information provided in this clip. My only wish for them it to learn Hebrew and read the text in it's true form. Isaiah has NOTHING to do with Jesus.
He was wounded from/for whatever. It was because of our iniquities. The chastizement was from God the Father and upon Him/Jesus the Son/God. Isaiah 53 still stands.
If you've ever had a chat with the Guy, good oke, He'll tell you Himself He didn't atone for our sins. No man can wash another's clean. What He did was set the ultimate example on how to forgive and love one another. He did not remove our free will to choose our own behaviour towards one another.
You need to read the verse in context. It is not about a single verse in Isaiah, read 51-53. Who is the arm of the Lord. He parted the Red Sea so they could walk on dry land. In Isaiah 51, my salvation shall come, and my arm shall bring justice to the nations. Who is the yeshua or salvation of the Lord. Who shall the arm of the Lord be revealed? Isaiah 53:1 NIV [1] Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed? Then Isaiah describes Him. You are only fooling yourself, if you cannot see that this is Yeshua, the salvation of the haShem. At HaShem of Yeshua, every knee shall bow and take an oath.
My brother open your eyes man read the chapter not just a verse we waste our time when we get in the bible pick a chapter read it for a seconds and try to explain the whole bible wake up. Leave Christian talk about your faith and believe so your words can win people over to your faith.
@@amazon2005Yeah, the whole chapter is explicitly talking about one person, but they have to read their whole ethnicity into it. As someone who has ethnically Jewish ancestry, I see some of them seem to think the world revolves around their DNA. The whole belief system was founded by Rabbis well after Jesus and the destruction of the temple as a way of preserving the alleged supremacy of their race.
You are right. Actually the whole world is revolving around this one man Isaiah 53 is referring to, and therefore revolves the whole ethnicity of this man. May God bless the Jews.
@@amazon2005 I have Jewish DNA. I'm not saved because of my DNA. The promises to Israel are found fulfilled in the Messiah and the government He established, not in the Rabbis and their DNA.
That does not even make sense. He was wounded from our transgressions? What does that even mean. You also have to ready the entire chapter. Isa53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. "He shall bear their iniquities" mean the iniquities are place on the righteous servant. That righteous servant justifies many by having those iniquities place on Him
Daniel is a false prophet if Jesus wasnt the mesiah, where is your messiah he was fortold to come before 60 to 70 ad when tidus taken the secons temple.
“And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son. Zachariah 12:10
Well done. All Messianic prophecy points to Jesus because He is the Messiah. A little research makes it very clear. Did they “pierce” Moses? They did not, but people seeking the truth will see and those who don’t will not.
Your debate doesn't proves anything Even not knowing the language GOD enabled me to understand but you knowing the language coudnt arrive at the right interpretation and now I understand that unless GOD enables we cannot understand right But still I know you and all will know the TRUTH one day and what will your reaction on the day you know the TRUTH will be
Please don’t lie straight from the Tanakh ; 5But he was pained because of our transgressions, crushed because of our iniquities; the chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his wound we were healed. הוְהוּא֙ מְחֹלָ֣ל מִפְּשָׁעֵ֔נוּ מְדֻכָּ֖א מֵֽעֲוֹֽנוֹתֵ֑ינוּ מוּסַ֚ר שְׁלוֹמֵ֙נוּ֙ עָ We all went astray like sheep, we have turned, each one on his way, and the Lord accepted his prayers for the iniquity of all of us. וכֻּלָּ֙נוּ֙ כַּצֹּ֣אן תָּעִ֔ינוּ אִ֥ישׁ לְדַרְכּ֖וֹ פָּנִ֑ינוּ וַֽיהֹוָה֙ הִפְגִּ֣ 8From imprisonment and from judgment he is taken, and his generation who shall tell? For he was cut off from the land of the living; because of the transgression of my people, a plague befell them. חמֵעֹ֚צֶר וּמִמִּשְׁפָּט֙ לֻקָּ֔ח וְאֶת־דּוֹר֖וֹ מִ֣י יְשׂוֹחֵ֑חַ כִּ֚י נִגְזַר֙ מֵאֶ֣רֶץ חַיִּ֔ים מִפֶּ֥שַׁע עַמִּ֖י נֶ֥גַע לָֽמוֹ: Of the transgression of my people a plaque befall them !!! Why would Isaiah speak about one servant sin that was crucify there would be no reason to record this . Don’t be fool I pray the lord open your eyes !
@@Exodus_Project sorry it cannot be speaking of Isreal righteousness because Israel fail many time . Jewish and rabbi have also stated that Isreal is the servant and the righteousness. How can a nation be both its does not make any sense. But who in his entirety has fulfilled these prophecy . He was not esteem by his people ( Jesus is Jewish ) he was stricken and pierce both hands and feet (Jesus ) he walk this earth doing miracles . Ect . No other man has done that . God our father has purposely has the name of Isreal on this because Jewish people are made to be blind so that the gentle will be grafted to the tree of life and in the end many Jewish will be grated back. Also in the tanakh the Jewish people are refer to isreal, the children of Isreal , Israelite , the kingdom of Judah or the tribe of Judah . So is God talking about Israel when the tanakh refers them as such . The reason why I make sense and you don’t is because the truth can not waiver . Lies come up with there own scenario that can’t stick . Truth is from the father . Who is the father of lies ? Satan.
