Islam doesn’t kill democracy. The army-Islam combo does

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How come Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey and Sri Lanka remain constitutional, democratic and stable despite Islam and Buddhism respectively, but Pakistan, Bangladesh and Myanmar don’t? It isn’t a mere faith that threatens democracy in a country, any faith. It is the combination of faith and military. Watch this week's National Interest with ThePrint Editor-in-chief Shekhar Gupta.
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@ThePrintIndia 4 часа назад

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@srinivasagopalanparthasara3926 4 часа назад

"Not sure watching the templeton ad"!

@GaganSagar-jd9qi 2 часа назад

Tujhe Pakistan ka itna kyu padi hai bhai

@SkpalTube 4 часа назад

Nope, respectfully disagree.

@harshgarg1448 3 часа назад

Tell me example where no army + Islam and there is no democracy. All dictatorship are army + islam

@Harshgupta-gz6ws 3 часа назад

GIVE COUNTERS I AM INTERESTED

@PanakaluPoonakam 32 минуты назад

And he calls this as "National Interest"!

@kunalgoswami2857 3 часа назад

Do you know counting Mr. Shekhar Gupta?? Just count how many Islamic country are there.... and how many are democractic... a simple arithmatic will be most basic strating point...such philosophy will not be required

@largerthanlife001 2 часа назад

USA doesn’t want democracy in Muslim countries

@mamunmia-ig2dr 29 минут назад

are you talking about becoming western slave aka democracy,

@PanakaluPoonakam 25 минут назад

SG has really gone old. His ability to think clearly and outside his echo chamber is less. Every momin dreams of an !slamic Caliphate - which actually is an army dictatorship. That exactly are how those countries are. SG doesn't see the straight line between "what they want" and "what they get". Its a different matter if they are satisfied with what they get. Pakistan IS a Caliphate. Perhaps soon, Bangladesh will also become a Caliphate. Cheers and best wishes!

@visarg9628 3 часа назад

GUPTA JI SAD TODAY 😢 .. 😂😂

@245manakis 3 часа назад

Indonesia had 20 years of millitary rule ....and second still army had backing jn it and turkey had 3 times coups but not successful third malaysia you better know there racial hate 😂 and quota system which is for majority

@yeager112 Час назад

you cannot hide in the name of turkey,malaysia and indonesia democracy you cant compare converts of south asia with malaysia,turkey and indonesia🤣 , you should compare them with afganistan, both have similar mentality

@245manakis 3 часа назад

If you cant put your country and your people before things how can democracy work ???? Yes sekhar islam is the only reason for not democracy ...even indonesian and turkey had copes

@orunabho 3 часа назад

Not entirely correct. Some religious systems are fundamentally intolerant with diversity of thoughts, whereas some others are fundamentally plural in their thoughts. Some believe in good vs evil binary, where some others see shades of gray in its worldview and philosophy. Electoral democracy means little compared to the notion called "Republic". Electoral democracy in an immature country will destroy it, where possibly a kingdom kind of things would have worked all, till the foundation of Republics are in place - the propeople institutions of the state. Electoral democracy is some sort of mobo-crazy only. The Republic, where citizens and the fundamental inalienable rights are more important, and state, which must always be chained, is fundamentally a matter of convenience. Naturally all 3rd world countries are banana republics including India. What is saving India - its civilizational plurality, people are different and they know that and respect that. So binaries do not work here.

@animesh_tiwary 2 часа назад

11:05 Indira’s “socialist” and “secular” in preamble are not progressive. These are the two most abused ideas which have held this country back economically and politically.

@mg.f.9023 6 минут назад

Yea, and Savarkar is to be the Father of the Nation not Mahatma Gandhi 😅

@sathe61 Час назад

Islam and Democracy is still not compatible.....Good try by Shekar sir....Tukey is the modern country, thanks to the founding fathers inclination towards west.....couple of more years of Erdagon, they will be more Islamic than anyone else....Indonesia elite has deep roots in India and hence both the countries that he has listed has reasons to be democratic...

@jw8752 3 часа назад

The Islamic hardliners, waiting in the wings, will show their true colours very soon and then the 'youths' of Bangladesh would understand the benifits of living in a democracy. By leaning towards Pakistan the basic sentiment is very clear! Lets wait and watch.....

@honeygaur7279 3 часа назад

But there is only one relegion which says agar Juda ho deen siyasat se toh reh jati hai changezi. Islam is not only political ideology but also it is even biopoltics.

@ashutoshdeuskar65 3 часа назад

SK goes way out of way to defend that Islamism isn't cause of trouble in Bangladesh Way to go.man.. keep it up..Be in denial

@srikanthbiduru Час назад

Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Oman, UAE : Are they islamic countries, are they democracies? Why do you have to lie, Mr SG?

@hanzofunai4238 Час назад

Mr Gupta trying to gaslight his audience because he takes them for imbeciles! 🤣😅

@jaydeepgadhavi5465 4 часа назад

Not just religion but any political ideology that the army adopts, that leads to chaos. After kamal Atataturk, it was the army that was suppose to hold the secularism of Turkey, which led to the failed coup attempt in 2016

@KRKKBHASKAR 2 часа назад

They will sing songs about democracy till they become numerically strong. Then both music and democracy becomes sins and would get banned. Live example is Kerala. Barring Trivandrum, Diwali and Vinayaka chaturthi which are community celebrations are not celebrated in the state. What would be the situation if Diwali is celebrated in Malabar ?

@himanshugoswami6843 2 часа назад

Karle justify tu

@ritajaray3504 Час назад

What seku Gupta says!!!!!!!!. What is khilafat

@ravikumarkb8103 54 минуты назад

Islam political power military power can't be separated

@kumarm5961 39 минут назад

Sekhar sir more of propogandist rather than journalism

@shehan117 20 минут назад

Completely disagree sir. P.s You got Sharia law in many parts of Indonesia.

@anuragdandekar6064 2 часа назад

Hindu Rashtra asap. Almost all Muslim majority countries are constitutionally Islamic (with exceptions of turkey, Azerbaijan and Indonesia I think). So it's no big deal to declare Hindu rashtra as well.

@parvadhami980 39 минут назад

There is no consensus amongst Hindus themselves

@mg.f.9023 2 минуты назад

Yea, and Sanskari Brij Bushan and Prajval Revanna to become Ministers of women's welfare.

@FighterSanjayKumar 2 часа назад

Good muslim servicing from Sekhar Gupta.

@puneetmishra4726 Час назад

None of the gulf countries are democratic and they have quite poor standard military.

@desibigfoot3874 2 часа назад

Unhyphenated lie.

@DataCrusade1999 2 часа назад

Go away you bhakt.🤣

@desibigfoot3874 Час назад

@@DataCrusade1999 Why? Kafirs are not allowed? Am I supposed to give jaziya. Or are you allergic to the truth?

@RamasyaDasosmyaham Час назад

@@desibigfoot3874“Bhakt” being used as a pejorative term by a user id that romanticizes the “crusade”. One couldn’t caricature the deracinated hindu-named seculars any better even if one tried!! 😂

@hanzofunai4238 Час назад

It will be a huge lost opportunity if you did not collect the paycheck from Qatar already !

@saemkidwai3060 4 часа назад

Why is background play off for this video? Please enable that

@ChetanKulkarni-t2y Час назад

Hardly notice any comment above favoring shekahr gupta's views. He should take note of it.

@patmclaughlin107 59 минут назад

With due respect, sir, does any other religion have a concept like Caliph, which combines religion and politics? If you listen to the Muslim conservatives, they will quote any number of references showing why democracy has basis in Islam, and in fact, only military power can be legitimate political power going all the way back to Muhammad. Of course many Christian and Buddhist majority countries have had military rule, but I am sure you have the intelligence and integrity to distinguish what happens “because” vs “despite”.

@disruptiantechnologies1634 2 часа назад

I still have half belief in Mr. Gupta's unhyphenated journalism campaign. Please do a session on the data revealed by Dr Shamika Ravi's (EAC_PM) presentation on India on how Muslim and Christian majority clusters (districts) in India are fast becoming mono religious , and how hindu majority clusters are all the same. Hard data slaps you , Mr. Gupta

@RamasyaDasosmyaham 3 часа назад

We aren’t buying your platitudes and feel-good falsehoods any longer! Idolize desert dacoits and civilization will inevitably unravel. The speed may vary … but the destination is inescapable!!

@amitbajwa6808 3 часа назад

It's simple, is it religion before constitution or Constitution trumps religion. If you answe yes to the 1st you get Pakistan. If you answer yes to the later you get India.

@howdoifindaname2743 2 часа назад

me when I defend modi rashtra 🤡

@sunilsg24 18 минут назад

Respectfully disagree

@kamleshdave6735 21 минуту назад

Thanks!

@raghavendrasinghchauhan7704 Час назад

Take middle east

@raghavendrasinghchauhan7704 Час назад

Africa

@gamingsoltnxyz506 Час назад

Disagree with you..

@vinaysaran 2 часа назад

Fantastic

@giridhargomangonothingelss 3 часа назад

A. BJP is a majoritarian party B. Majority of islamist countries have democracy. I. Both statements are true II. A is false B is true III. Both are false IV. A is true B is false

@JoBlack1033 2 часа назад

GuptaJi, how many Islamic democracies can you name..

@DataCrusade1999 2 часа назад

Get your ears check and listen to the video once again.

@245manakis 11 минут назад

@@DataCrusade1999 hey crusade tell me the ratio sir saar 🤡

@mg.f.9023 12 минут назад

When Religion dictates a Nation's Politics, Then the Godmen become the rulers.

@dixitdungarpur 2 часа назад

मलेशिया और इंडोनेशिया अपवाद हैं

@swapnilmanwatkar1856 36 минут назад

Dear Guptaji, do you think we, the viewers are schoolchildren?

@mg.f.9023 9 минут назад

A Developing nation requires Scientists, Economists and Rationalists to lead, not Mullahs or Priests.

@divyeshbhattacharya3875 Час назад

😂 an average follower of islam can easily become an armyman of sorts. The formal army attire is not necessary. 😅

@ranjitpal9937 Час назад

Yunus is a JUST a Good Economist But No Political Influence 😅 Jamat Make Fun of Him 😂

@truthandjusticeareonlyword63 2 часа назад

Why always beat around the Truth.. everyone knows what's the real curse yet trying to justify it's not!!!

@hoopoe_ Час назад

11:31 "It is when you place religion at the heart of your national ideology and the army at the core of your power, that you run into serious, severe problems."

@govindapoduvalkg2889 2 часа назад

Sir, In Turkey the reverse is true. There military wanted secularism and democracy but islam made Turkey a theocratic state

@sutirthhadas 2 часа назад

You can't hold your delusion for long good sir. Let's not pretend we dont know what is the root of all evil.

@gautambasu1295 10 минут назад

Can you tell me how many Islamic countries have democracies out of the total number of Islamic countries? Leaving aside the Islam- Army nexus. What about the Arabian peninsula? What about Sub Saharan Africa?

@sabysachikar4439 Час назад

This time Hon. Shekhar, I completely disagree with your headlines. Islam and democracy cannot go together except few exception.

@dramaworld5987 Час назад

At least get your example correct, may be you don't have one Myanmar people are in civil war for democracy only.

@joshua_ch 38 минут назад

Religions are a very strong ideological force in every country and a challenge to stable democracy. It takes decades before the right equilibrium can be found. Europe faced this dilemma in the early 20th century and we all know what happened when militarism and religious hatred towards jews got added to fire of german politics. In the case of United States, today people say secularism was enshrined in US constitution but it was only in the post world war era that religion was pushed out of the public sphere , of course not completely even today. All societies evolve but that requires reasonable levels of material comfort and at least three/four decades of political stability where existential questions are put to rest.

@sudip_curiousmind 58 минут назад

The political pundit Mr. Shekhar Gupta forgot to mention Israel, officially a Jewish state and very much a competitive democracy with even Arab parties in their parliament! I guess everyone has a bad day once in awhile.

@sudip_curiousmind Час назад

Yesterday someone called Shekhar a right winger and BJP supporter, that must have hurt really bad😅 so here comes the reposte! As for logic, once in a while its ok, give him some space for his age. 0:02

@anupsinghkr 3 часа назад

Shekher Ji, why get defensive. Seems viewer's comment in your last episode of democratic paticence disturbed you and hence this episode... Anyways, Ideologies of Islam doesn't encourage democratic practices. No matter what example you give..

@narayanaswamyhariharan3177 3 часа назад

Why in india we educated Hindus want to uphold Islam even though we have read that Islam and democracy are anti thesis Is it to prove our secular credentials

@explorer8824 Час назад

In 57 peaceful majority countries how many have democracy. Watch ADAM SEEKER URDU and exmuslim SAHIL to know more about "religion of peace"

@sutirthhadas 2 часа назад

You're halfway there SG. Yes you just have to omit a single word from the 'islam-military' combo. Then you'll understand root of all problems worldwide.

@sanjivgupta1418 2 часа назад

How many Islamic countries are true democracies ?

@DataCrusade1999 2 часа назад

India is not a true democracy.

@DataCrusade1999 2 часа назад

This episode will be most watched and most disliked by bhakts.

@iansmith8275 Час назад

The only ally you Muslims have now are the seculars around the world, who are fast becoming powerless and irrelevant. Keep calling us Bhakts, we take it as a compliment, while the world laughs at you Islamists.

@ei2m 2 часа назад

You have tried to argue that exceptions are the rule.

@DataCrusade1999 2 часа назад

Whatever doesn't conform to your view becomes an exception.

@jishnudey6031 2 часа назад

Turkey is not at all secular, nor is Indonesia or Malaysia. Malaysia has less muslim percentage than many other muslim countries.

@DataCrusade1999 2 часа назад

But all of them are better than India. You should leave India and go there.

@hirenbafna 4 часа назад

You are so wrong. The countries you are referring to as democratic are hardly Democratic. Turkey, one of your own CTC has explained the kind of changes ERDOGAN has made in the constitution there. Then we have MALAYSIA, it has had a long history of Military rule. It's just that a general there has decided to keep it that way. One wrong move to run the military the wrong way & it will be game over for DEMOCRACY. Same for INDONESIA. For SL, nothing much can be as absurd. They were and are fighting within themselves. Sooner or later a big power will prop up a puppet. What is clear is if the Military is ready to kill people without remorse, then the democracy has little chance. Be it in CHINA, in PAK, in Bangladesh, in Turkey etc. The only fact is the majority of these countries are dominated overwhelmingly by people from one faith. Another sad thing is in none of these countries people ask questions to the people who are in power.

@DataCrusade1999 2 часа назад

Modi is an authoritarian leader by that same token. And India is not a democratic country.

@hirenbafna 31 минуту назад

@@DataCrusade1999 The context is clear. SG has given example of countries which are at best be called controlled democracies. India 🇮🇳 is far far better. If anyone tries to be a dictator then the only fate awaits to them is 1977 loss in elections.

@DataCrusade1999 24 минуты назад

@@hirenbafna SG also says all democracies are work in progress. Now I can make my arguments much better by including data. But I know you'll take umbrage at it. But still If you look at EIU and V-Dem India bas been downgraded in V-Dem but upgraded in EIU manily because of Electoral transparency not civil liberties. India is not even controlled democracy but a controlled mayhem. And please like I said above don't give me lecture on V-Dem and EIU the day a similar ranking will be produced by Indian parliament not ORF(Ambani Funded) think tank or some other I'll quote that.

@rahulumap2969 3 часа назад

Kya baat kar rhe ho 😂

@DataCrusade1999 2 часа назад

What a joke by a bhakt.🤣🤣

@faizilahi 3 часа назад

Gupta Ji Sanghi

@nil6226 3 часа назад

Faizil Islamist.

@245manakis 3 часа назад

Islamist abuses sanghi not good

@anuragdandekar6064 2 часа назад

Shekhar Gupta is a huge Muslim apologist and thats why I lost interest in his videos

@mrSamirsri 2 часа назад

And still you watched this one... like others😂😂😂😂

@DataCrusade1999 2 часа назад

But bhakt you are here.

@iansmith8275 2 часа назад

@@DataCrusade1999 Andhnamazi the entire comment section is about you. Worry about that.

@iansmith8275 2 часа назад

@@mrSamirsri We lose interest in something doesn't mean we'll stop watching it altogether. Your attempt at humour is pathetic.

@DataCrusade1999 Час назад

@@iansmith8275 Yeah today I thought i teach you bhakts a lesson🤣 and i suppose now that you know I'm everywhere means you also spammed this comment section. Finally you bhakt you have met your master.

@abagwe9887 2 часа назад

Good Joke 😂

@DataCrusade1999 2 часа назад

Bhakt spotted 🤣🤣

@abagwe9887 Час назад

@@DataCrusade1999 Not Bhatt... Fact checker 😜

@DataCrusade1999 Час назад

@@abagwe9887 bad fact checker but still a bhakt.

@saketthite1888 Час назад

Peaceful peacekeeper of the world spotted

@DataCrusade1999 32 минуты назад

@@saketthite1888 tag me then call me names otherwise how am i suppose to call your bhakti out. I thought bhakt don't get scared.

@parichaytyagi5471 2 часа назад

Indonesia had almost 40 years of Military rule under Sukarno and Suharto. Turkey has had 3 Coup de'tats. Islam and its many ideologies don't allow for alternative thought. Even in democracies they will revert to Islamism. Look at the offshoots Hizbut Tahrir, Muslim brotherhood. Their democracies are worse than their dictatorship Democracy should go hand in hand with Pluralism. If it doesn't then democracy is just Mobocracy I think SG Sir should have brought an expert for this National interest episode giving an alternative view