Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris | Lex Fridman Podcast  

Podcast length record breaking day.. this should be good.

the intro is litty🔥

There is no debate when it comes to genocide. Poor civilians are starving, crying in pain, and dying in horror on mass. I'm usually a fan but for yall to be well feed and rested put all this effort into nothing when it's yall with the money and influence... Shame.

Yes. What Hamas is doing is horrific and, perhaps worse is how the Muslim and Arab world could care less about the Palestinians.@@joea959

Please interview: Rabbi Elhanan Beck, George Galloway, Ilan Pappe, Christopher Bollyn, Mohammed El-Kurd (part 2)

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He was having so much fun doing that haha

Old codger.

By running circles around him

@@Zubshady2333more like slowly floating around by the speed he’s going

Thank you for your service

🤣 bravo 👏

Appreciate the levity in these dark times.

He also called him Destiny once or twice when he was heated

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all jokes aside this was incredibly embarrassing for Mr. Bonucci

​@@b1bbscraz3ylmao stahhp😂

⁠​⁠@@b1bbscraz3y Mr Raviolli himself is an embarrasment

What? Ah, the playback speed! 😂

You forgot to mention mr Morrelli!

It does not matter how fast you talk, but what you have to say.

@@zeldamage001Don’t forget about Mr Panini too!!

I don’t particularly like Destiny… but he’s been putting his work and time in this.

​@Sukhix05x maybe he shouldn't 😂

A discredited historian **

A Holocaust denier, a journalist, a historian and a political streamer walk into a bar

@@beansdestroyer discredited by who and why?

Exactly how I felt after watching this.

He's amazing

Nope he can’t condemn Hamas! He’s also a conspiracy theorist like Finklestein

Maybe you should listen to what hes saying instead of "how eloquent he is" when spouting bs.

@@zsoltszabo22 You just gave a point to the other side. Even Rabbani's enemies don't discredit him like that.

I like scientific reasoning and expertise and all but Finkelstein straight up dismissed everything Destiny said before he even said it and only addressed Mr Morris

@@danielkist1040he let him speak the first times, including jabs at him, but he saw the BS he’s spewing so he just wanted to shut him up

Because destiny has no clue what he's talking about. He just doesn't have the credentials to be on this discussion. His the ID of zionist thought, which has value in a certain context. He has no place in a serious academic debate. ​@@danielkist1040

@@ssssssssssssssssss50 And, to you, calling Destiny “Mr. Borelli” and “Mr. Bontinelli” whenever he made a refutable point, rather than responding in kind with an educated response, made Finkelstein look intelligent?

​@@danielkist1040 to be fair I would to considering he's an insufferable squirrel-voiced moron who somehow insinuated himself into a debate between three people who know infinitely more about the subject than him. But then I suppose it's the best the Zionist camp could come up with.

Moeen Rabbani: [breathes] Morris: [smiles coyly] that is also a red herring.

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I can’t tell if it’s good or bad that he doesn’t respect him at all.

Norman did factually correct a lot of times on destiny.

Ok there are many funny comments but this is my favourite by far! XDD

Rabbani is my 1x standard here,, Morris is a little bit quicker

I’m on x2 on Finkel and it’s still too slow, once someone else interrupts I lose 5 paragraphs tho

We need a unifying speed edit

.5 speed is for when Destiny talks 1.5 speed is for when Stinklepeen talks and it's still not sped up enough lol

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Why he asking remedially basic questions 😂 if you think “England” was taking Jews. You might be a fuckin moron.

It's just a childish debate tactic, he's obviously not actually forgetting. As soon as they're on break he magically remembers, funny that.

It was a brutal tactic.

​@lamalama9717 brutal? Maybe a brutal assassination of his own character. He did the same to everyone else present refusing to go by first names as the moderator suggested. He did this only because he wants to pretend he's above this conversation when the only thing he is above is reason

@@hughmungus9995 I'm not sure Norm had the same condescending attitude towards his academic opponent. He explained that he's more comfortable being formal in that regard, hence using the "Professor" title when addressing the interlocutor he accepts as a peer.

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The guy is delusional and senile. Give him a break.

Jajajaja

Nebraska Steve loves to get publicly humiliated lmao

Solid game. Burnout revenge was the one I played the most though .... 50 car pile ups 😅

Lmao nailed it

AMAZIN

Definitely a stripper name.

Finkelstein is just an arrogant asshole.

Perfect assessment!

“yOu CaNt TrUsT tHe MaChInEs!!!” - Finkelstinky.

Just wanted to point that out too

Ok, but only if the person talking to you is continually launching petty, juvenile ad hom attacks in a shrill voice. "Finkelstein's Machine?"

Destiny is uninformed and has to constantly read from a script someone else wrote, Google, and Wikipedia. This is an amazing debate minus destiny who seems ok but displaying an unbelievable amount of hubris and ignorance.

@@MrDsells How on earth do you know that he's reading someone else's script? And how do you know he's reading from Wikipedia? This is total conjecture.

Y u no put timestamp?

Lol.

It shouldn’t. Thats all finkelstein ever does

Yeah, what a great “counter argument”

its in the intro dw@@segasys1339

Loved it 😂

i heard borrelli hahah

wtf is this lol, 3 actually kinda important people worth listening to and then theres this unwashed looking double divorced weirdo lmao

😂 Mr. Bostiolli

😂Thank you Mr. Boselli

He was really professional

Im on h4:23 and wonder why this dude, Destiny was invited. He has obviously not the same level of knowledge about this cause.

you have the best take of the comments ive read through so far

In every single war since history of men there has been casualties. Innocent people die during war. That is a fact, we try now to decrease casualties as much as possible but they still happen. Acting as if this won’t ever happen during arm conflict is unrealistic.

Lo de Israel es lo mismo que pasó en su momento en Alemania en los 30s-40s. Los alemanos, así como tampoco los judíos, son seres malvados y corruptos. Ambos casos son la consecuencia de actores reaccionarios con demasiado poder, que a su vez radicalizan a sus respectivas sociedades. No dudes que muchos israelitas ven a los musulmanes como subhumanos. Pero lo peor de todo es que a occidente le conviene tener ahí a Israel, así que les venden armas y protegen para que estos funcionen de faro en el medio oeste, con potencias en desarrollo como Irán. Al final todo esto es causado por occidente, que mandó y financió a seres viles para que vayan a matar y robar tierras. En esos tiempos de finales de los 40 y 50s habían autenticos escuadrones de la muerte israelitas en busca de palestinos que matar. Saludos desde Paraguay!! Suerte, que está compleja la situación en nuestro contienente también.

Lo de Israel es lo mismo que pasó en su momento en Alemania en los 30s-40s. Los alemanos, así como tampoco los judíos, son seres malvados y corruptos. Ambos casos son la consecuencia de actores reaccionarios con demasiado poder, que a su vez radicalizan a sus respectivas sociedades. No dudes que muchos israelitas ven a los musulmanes como subhumanos. Pero lo peor de todo es que a occidente le conviene tener ahí a Israel, así que les venden armas y protegen para que estos funcionen de faro en el medio oeste, con potencias en desarrollo como Irán. Al final todo esto es causado por occidente, que mandó y financió a seres viles para que vayan a matar y robar tierras. En esos tiempos de finales de los 40 y 50s habían autenticos escuadrones de la muerte israelitas en busca de palestinos que matar. Saludos desde Paraguay por cierto.

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Nice

Niche but excellent comment

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Thank you for this comment, I got more enjoyment out of it then the entire debate.

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I choose my words very carefully, Mr. Majooki

I read this comment this morning and have been laughing about it all day. Thanks for that.

@@sethdhanson same - it really cracked me up

Finkelstein has severe dementia.

I kept thinking "Do names not apply to your rationale on your superior intellect..."

i wish there was more dialogue in the world and less "debates" that focus solely on scoring points . People forgot what dialogue means and how important it is

The people on the left are so concerned with International law that they explicitly support the Houthis attacking civilian ships.

Nice strawman, 9/10, would watch you build it again 👍

Yes... except the context was that international law doesn't matter to find a real practical solution, not that it doesn't matter at all. And they are right, international law didn't help solve this and it probably never will unless it can be properly enforced. Only the people on the ground can do that.

@@erkeliwood6037just stop talking

Resorting to foul language really speaks volumes about his side of the story

@@stefangreve7983keep coping

@@MohsinAli-jt5rk Thus, further proving my point that there is no merit to the Palestinian cause.

@@stefangreve7983 the word moron is foul language now🤣i wonder what you have to say about destiny being extremely vulgar and also insulting in so many of his debates

Doesn't make any of his arguments invalid. Sorry bro​@@stefangreve7983

Morris really couldn't come back he just blustered

let me quote you yourself from my own book

​​@@Ajsopranosrubberduxsuree buddy. Go read the actual content of the quotes that norm casually takes out of context and you just gulp it up like a good boy

@@alejammi I've read Righteous Victims...

@@Ajsopranosrubberdux with the reading comprehension of a toad apparently

I love that 100+ comments exactly like this showed up days after its initial release, indicating that this it isn't an organic thought but instead regurgitation from Destiny reviewing the video on stream. Especially because he correctly responded with "Bonnell" in response to Destiny's reply, proving it's a completely fabulized deflection.

​@@GreyKnight7777This was published today was it not?

@@GreyKnight7777 He's such a grown up baby for miscalling his name the entire time but when he thought the camera went off he was like "Mr Bonnell", what a slimey little smug Finklestein is.

​@@GreyKnight7777 you love that comments came after people actually watched the 5 hour video, rather than commenting 5 min after upload or memeing about twitter clips taken out of context? You're really going out on a limb there GayNight666

@@samuelc.7212 It was not.

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i fell asleep and woke up in the middle of finklestein trying to take destiny's kid away from him

​@@aSSGoblin1488yeah, cause norms a humanitarian. just seeing destiny on the internet is abuse, imagine the psychic trauma of having to interact with him in real life and knowing that he's your father. yikes!

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same here

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So true

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Without finkelstein it might be a fun blunt rotation lol

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That is AWESOME!

Yet somehow 1 of the Mr. Olympias drops a weight on his own head.

Oh my god yes!!!

@@Lemmyywinkz To be honest I kind of get where he's coming from. Like, he spent about 50 years studying the subject and now has to engage with someone who studied it for 3 weeks and keeps interrupting him and sharing incredibly simplistic talking points on the subject, that's got to be frustrating. Like, I study electrical engineering, if I was in a seminar talking about Q-learning vs. Proximal Policy Optimization for control of robotic arms, and someone came in and kept saying "that's great an all, but I think it's important to note that you can write code to control all sorts of robots!", I wouldn't want to engage with him, I'd want him to shut up and let the adults talk.

I don't know if I'd call Destiny a Mr. Olympia, but yes, Norm acted like a brain-damaged person 😉

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All those Laughing laughing.is zionist propaganda

Agree. Totally engaging discussion. Grueling 5 hours revealed truth- the story of two unfortunate nations. The West is doing injustice to both of them.

According to my watch I just completed my most intensive workout of the past 12 months. Also, it is telling me to contact my physician.

Finklestien is HALARIOUS😂😂😂

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Destiny is a lot like Vermicelli

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Don't mention it, Mr. Frankenstein

the irony are tho despite how many times he got that name wrong, thats propably what i had least issues with. for someone that uses a terms like international law so many times its absurd how little he know about it, and someone like finkelstein should really know that UN and its resolutions are simply political opinions and have nothing to do with international law, or any other laws for that matter. the only exception are resolutions under chapter 7 given by the security council, but those are so rarely used i think last time was in the ballpark of 2005 or something regarding something that happened in lebanon. its allso absurd how he state that the israeli settlements are not legal according to international law, yet theres nothing in that law that actual in any way say they are illegal

Brings clicks

it's lex trying to have a "fair and contemporary" panel...

Copium overdose

Well if it's facts it's not a insult he's trusted resource was Wikipedia he didn't have the knowledge to sit on that table

@@rzjustice1994 this really is not an argument, and it's not true. He read a bunch of the geneva convention, at least 1 or 2 books in full and a bunch of human rights organization + UN reports as parts of the prep. But besides this, there's nothing wrong with wikipedia, it has a bunch of true stuff on it. Address an incorrect point. Just one. Bring an example.

@@radMisc I think the point is Destiny is clearly out of his league on this one. He is clearly struggling to add to the conversation and constantly googling and reading his ipad trying to figure out what to say next. It is not that his points are incorrect, it that his points aren't meaningful. He just resorts to debate lord tactics because he doesn't have the knowledge base to participate any other way.

@@radMisc Just to illustrate the discrepancy here. The other three gentlemen at this table have devoted their professional lives studying the Israel Palestine conflict: Finkelstein himself for nearly 40 years since completing his doctorate in the 80's...Destiny reads some online articles for a week from his gaming chair, and then starts flippantly dismissing all the points they make. It doesn't matter how much of a 'genius' Destiny portrays himself as online, the amount of research he's done is probably less or equivalent to a single semester basic undergraduate course on the subject. Finkelstein had a right to be upset, and I'm surprised that his partner exercised such patience until the end.

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I find it strange that Finkelstein sees himself as a rigerous academic, based on all of the criticisms he throws out, but half of his arguments against destiny are ad-hominem. It is a bad look.

@@FarvaU23 well to be fair, Destiny was being a motormouth

@@AG-gp1kd ikr he should have rather grandstanded for 30 minutes

@@FarvaU23because he’s fighting the dehumanisation of of a people. I think another person would feel the same heating and upset someone justifying the holocaust

Me neither... I rolled 4 blunts. Cheers

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You do now, buddy...you do now.

​@@RocketGator05two minutes in and im on my fifth blunt

I couldn't get over destiny claiming there's no humanitarian crisis in Gaza. Utterly ghoulish

Nobody cares about these timestamps. We only want timestamps of every time Finkelstein tries to say Destiny's name. EDIT: To those complaining, this is pure sarcasm.

​@@OBZ I'm sorry what was your name again, was it Density?

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​​@@OBZ People who care about the content, appreciate the timestamps, you simpleton.

@@ControlledBalance lol relax, I'm being sarcastic

Lex doesn't have facial expressions lol first time here?

Willing to pay for it 😂😂

I'd subscribe to a patron for that cut. It'd be like watching the saddest, slowest tennis match ever, but I'd watch with buttered popcorn and a coke.

No expressions from hitman 47

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Ja, es ist so PEINLICH!!! Ich denke, dass das pro Genozid Team glaubt Dr Finkelstein und Dr.Rabbani lächerlich wirken wenn sie einen Clown da hinsetzen. Denn itraelis wissen ganz genau, dass es Genocid ist,und sie wissen auch, dass sie es nicht mehr vertuschen können. Und niveaulos wie Israel ist nutzen sie solche Gelegenheiten nur noch für ihren eigenen Spass aus und führen der Welt ihre dressierten deppen vor um sich zu amüsieren.

lmao did we watch the same video? norm is literally screaming over dr. morris the entire time

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😂 thanks for bringing in humor among such tough stuff.

@@janetfox-petersen2790 It’s really not that funny. Especially not for the natives of the land🤷🏽‍♂️

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Jee whiz

Lex’s can’t go deep and this shows his naivety. He thinks a dialogue with adversaries, will solve all major issues with humanity. Lex, if you care, then give your opinion on the matter! I would love to hear it after bringing in many guests from both sides and if you actually paid any attention.

Lex seems to think that every conflict is just a huge misunderstanding and a few kind words will have everyone singing kumbaya by the end

he is a very positive character, isn’t he?

I know right, guy was so well spoken

You might be interested to know that he doesn't have a cell phone of his own. He uses a landline lol

@@billybitchcakes8611he should use a landmine, or nvm his walking speed probably wouldnt activate it anyways

he read a book about it, he good@@billybitchcakes8611

I think he meant the ipad

Trying to explain to a man military aviation hierarchy and process when he doesent even own a phone

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Huh?

underrated comment

You probably overestimate the quality of debates when you were at school.

@@theplouf5533he didn’t make any estimation about the debates.

When you need to have an audience to maintain your business, that’s the only thing to say, being consensual. I would not ever say « I love you » to someone validating genocide on fucking realtime data. Lex is bright dude and try to be cold neutral as a ´scientist’ but here, he is just like bowing.

Yea right? ...a humanist expressing love for all humanity? Who's paying this guy to say that!? 😂

i'm wheezing

lmao, nailed it, who recast wise/calm Finkelstein with this angry old dude?

Maaaan, cuuudos, cuuuuuudos :)

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I'm afraid you're in league of your own if you didnt keep on switching speeds depending on who was speaking.

​@@davidmelamed2774nah you need the whole range. It cant all be the same. It's like different textures on a sandwich.

@@davidmelamed2774No he’s not.

I think it best normal speed all the way.

it is a perfect video for someone trying to build a mega city on city skylines@@davidmelamed2774

Guy doesn't even know the names of his opponents walking into a formal debate?? Total lack of respect.

@@JD..........no, only ones with beta male names. Bonelli? What are you? A pasta?

how do you consider yourself? how would you matchup in the debate? Watch you words, kid.@@Srfs777

@@Beissi-nb9hi easy there noodles , can’t punch through a message board.

​@@TrutheyneskyBrilliant! Has a de nero feel to it!😂

Meine Damen und Herren, Bürger und Bürgerinnen dieser Erde. An die 2 Völker palestina und Israel. verehrte Mitglieder der internationalen Gemeinschaft, sowie Vertreter der israelischen Regierung, es ist an der Zeit, nicht nur Worte zu sprechen, sondern Taten zu zeigen. Es ist an der Zeit, dass das israelische Volk und seine Regierung den Charakter zeigen, der sie auszeichnet: einen Charakter von Menschlichkeit, Gerechtigkeit und Versöhnung. In einer Zeit, in der wir nach so vielen Jahren der Unterdrückung und des Leids stehen, ist es an der Zeit, dass wir uns der Vergangenheit stellen und die Zukunft gemeinsam gestalten. **Erklärung der Initiative:** Einführung eines alle Regierungen zum Schutz des vom Notstand betroffenen Volk verpflichtet. Wenn wir etwas aus dem Holocaust gelernt haben sollten. Ist es, das damals das jüdisch Volk auf die internationale Gemeinschaft angewiesen war. Einmischung von Aussen auf Hitlers Genozid. Wardie einzige Chance war dem blinden Hass und der entmenschlichung einhalt zu gebieten. Und das aus Vernunft. Aus Pflicht. Und um die 'VÖLKERVIELFALT dem interesse des einzelnen Volkes entgegenzustellen. Ein Staat gegen VÖLKERVIELFALT ist ein unrechtmässiger Staat. nationaler rassentheorien unterworfen. Initiative Notstand Palstina Die Initiative zur vorübergehenden Rechtssicherung der palästinensischen Interessen und Bi but v Menschenrechte vor der internationalen Gemeinschaft ist ein Schritt, der unmissverständlich klarstellt, dass das palästinensische Volk Anspruch auf eine politische Vertretung hat, die ihre Rechte in vollem Umfang wahrnehmen und verteidigen kann. Es geht hier um mehr als nur Prinzipien; es geht um die Wiederherstellung der Würde und Gerechtigkeit für jeden einzelnen Palästinenser. **Argumentation gegen eine Zwei-Staaten-Lösung:** Die Propagierung einer Zwei-Staaten-Lösung ist eine Beleidigung für jeden Palästinenser und Israeli gleichermaßen. Eine solche Lösung würde lediglich die Mauern des Gefängnisses verschieben, ohne die grundlegenden Ungerechtigkeiten zu beseitigen. Jeder Palästinenser verdient genau die gleichen Rechte und Sicherheiten wie ein Israeli, einschließlich eines israelischen Passes und eines effektiven Schutzes seiner Interessen vor Gericht. **Darlegung der Grundrechte:** 1. **Menschenwürde und Schutz vor Diskriminierung:** Jeder einzelne Palästinenser verdient Respekt und Würde, frei von Diskriminierung und Unterdrückung. Die Vergangenheit hat gezeigt, dass diese Würde oft verletzt wurde, doch es ist an der Zeit, sie wiederherzustellen. 2. **Recht auf Freiheit und Gleichheit:** In einer Zwei-Staaten-Lösung wäre die Gleichheit nicht gegeben, da die ökonomischen und sozialen Disparitäten weiter bestehen würden. Jeder Palästinenser sollte die gleichen Chancen und Freiheiten genießen wie ein Israeli. 3. **Recht auf körperliche Unversehrtheit und Sicherheit:** Die Sicherheit der Palästinenser kann nur durch eine umfassende Lösung gewährleistet werden, die ihre volle Integration und Gleichberechtigung gewährleistet. Eine Zwei-Staaten-Lösung würde diese Sicherheit nicht garantieren. 4. **Schutz der Familie und Recht auf Versammlungsfreiheit:** Die Familien der Palästinenser verdienen Schutz vor Gewalt und Repression, sowie das Recht, sich frei zu versammeln und politisch zu organisieren. 5. **Recht auf gleiche Chancen und wirtschaftliche Stabilität:** Eine Zwei-Staaten-Lösung würde keine gerechten Chancen für die palästinensische Bevölkerung schaffen, sondern sie weiterhin benachteiligen. Jeder Palästinenser verdient die gleichen wirtschaftlichen Möglichkeiten wie ein Israeli. **Schlussfolgerung:** Es ist an der Zeit, dass wir uns gemeinsam der Vergangenheit stellen und die Fehler der Geschichte korrigieren. Es ist an der Zeit, dass das israelische Volk und seine Regierung zeigen, dass sie ein Volk von Menschlichkeit und Gerechtigkeit sind. Eine Zwei-Staaten-Lösung ist keine Option mehr, sondern eine gerechte und umfassende Lösung, die die Rechte und Würde jedes einzelnen Palästinensers respektiert und schützt. Lasst uns gemeinsam diesen Weg der Versöhnung und des Friedens gehen, denn nur gemeinsam können wir eine Zukunft gestalten, die auf den Prinzipien von Gerechtigkeit, Gleichheit und Menschlichkeit basiert. Damals entschied sich eine Familie nicht gegen Israel in den Krieg zu ziehen sondern sich im neugegründeten Staat Israel niederzulassen und mit den Israelis in Frieden zu leben. Nach der Zeit unter dem Briten sahen sie trotz aller Gefahren auch eine Chance. Diese Chance besteht bis zum heutigen Tag. Wir können bekämpfen oder ergänzen. Hassen oder Lieben. Wollen wir uns auf ewig bekriegen oder ewigen Frieden. Als Abu Gosh haben wir die Pflicht darauf hinzuweisen das unserer Völker ein Volk. Unsere Blüter ein Blut. Und unsere Götter sind der eine Gott und es gibt keinen Gottes ausser Gott. Versöhnung. Vergebung Wiedervereinigung. Wiedergutmachung. Integration. Das sie die Wörter die wir lieben als Geschöpfe des Schöpfers. Annnerkennung für Annnerkennung. Jeder palestinänser und jeder Jude dieser Erde. Haben das Recht den Staat Israel anzuerkennen und sich im Staat Israel niederzulassen. Gemeinsam sind wir der Beweis das es einen Gott gibt. Getrennt.. Beschämend wir die Welt, Gott und uns selbst. Und können immer mit dem Finger auf den anderen zeigen. Anerkennung für Anerkennung jeder präsenzer soll für sich selber entscheiden und wenn er sich dazu entscheidet den israelischen Staat anzuerkennen dann soll der israelische Staat ihm im Gegenzug israelische Staatsbürgerschaft geben und alle Rechte die dazu gehören und ihm in Israel willkommen heißen als Bruder. Lässt uns den Grundstein zur größten Bruderschaft setzen die je auf Erden gewandelt ist. Den Eck Pfeiler. Di 27.februar 2024 Sami David Karl Abu Gosh

Lex is a hippie wearing a suit, the point is u can't

Lex's unwillingness to see reality because of his forced optimism is a little tiresome sometimes. I listened to his interview with Mohammad El-Kurd today and he was willfully ignoring El-Kurd's position constantly because he wanted to hear him give a Palestinian rendition of "I have a dream" while there are settlers in his mother's garden

@@Ed-zp2xo let the jews have there little country i say.

@@Ed-zp2xo Lex optimism bothers me as well. For example in interview with a Islam-promoting guy named "Omar", more like a politician doing PR treatment for Islam, Lex failed to critically even touch any of Omar's statements, which not only came off as unprepared, but ignorant as well. Omar went on giving all the stock Islam apologist statements, which with how eloquent Omar is made Islam look like it has no faults and no controversy. I find this unacceptable. Its as if a N4zi came in on a podcast sugarcoating their "ideology" and it was the interviewer's 1st ever contact with that ideology and does zero pushing and questioning of the ideology. its his blind spot but honestly i feel like it must be addressed otherwise he's not growing as an interviewer. and i'm getting too old for slimy propaganda interviews.

Lol. I noticed that too. Go Norm!

Slow or fast it's nonsense in any case

Norm can only talk fast on two occasions, ad hominem attacks or when he is speaking over someone else 😂

But he likes to take his time when explaining Mr. Pirelli's imbecility.

​@@mintviper5213 no wonder he talked so fast, so often

we have Lex to thank for that /facepalm

We need more channels like this top notch quality content and free speech

I just don't know what we get from it? A consensus? A solution? Both sides are sticking to their views and haven't changed. It's a debate for the sake of it.

@@GK-qc5ryIt gives a good reflection of where the conflict is at.

@@GK-qc5ryYou’re supposed to draw your own conclusions and see the good and bad in their argument. It’s a small snippet in your own research

@@GK-qc5ryThe point of debates like this is not to persuade the other person, it's to persuade the audience that follow them. Neither side was ever going to convince the other that they're wrong, especially not in a public debate where reputation matters, but at the very least they can introduce ideas to the people who watch the other side

Makes for a very bias debate. Couldn't agree more a live audience almost always ruins a debate. If most of the audience is on one side they will exaggerate the points made by the one side even if the point isn't very valid

@@anthonyhewitt9397 they will also clap for well-spoken fallacies

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LOL, good one!

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THIS! This is what happened! "I am not saving space for this things name..."

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Very sorry, I found even the devious Dr Morris to be good-natured in his delivery/response to Dr Finkelstein's statements.

@@castelodeossos3947 Norm, is that you?

@@castelodeossos3947 yeah from my eyes only Mr finkelstien behaved like a complete dick who embarrassed himself... all he did was insult people and get their names wrong xD didn't even engage properly with arguments.

​@@suspendedtwice4sayingrasis261 no, just someone else on the spectrum

@@Jaaskle We really spectrum shaming with Destiny in the room? 😂

“Mr.Burelli I’m gonna ask you again to stop displaying your imbecility.” got me. Norm might be wrong on the facts but his insult game is amazing.

"You are the peak of imbecility" , i was dying

@@6laccdemarcowhich facts? name 2

@@looc546 Theyre tryin so hard to spin this disaster, but its too late, we all seen it happen.

I just wrote a long reply, there are so many things Finkelsteib gets wrong it’s crazy. Did you actually watch the video?

Haha... Finkelstein had his abacus 🧮

Finkelstein has never owned a cell phone. So that's where that's coming from. His Twitter was set up by students, and he basically writes down statements that they tweet on his behalf.

@@TheTMKF incredible that a renowned "historian" on the topic is rattled by an ipad XD really tells you a lot

​@@Ookalaable if by rattled you mean confused by destiny's lack of rebuttal to the actual substance being discussed and continually bringing up reddit talking points that no one in this room ever mentioned, then yes he was rattled af.

@@julie-mt2xr"reddit talking points"

Morris: "You like to quote the bits that support your personal view and ignore the rest." Dinklestein: "It's called cherry picking, I do it all the time."

Hahaha

Finkelstein knows how to read but Destiny knows how to think.

​@@CivilizationInNationDestiny knows how to jibber at warp speed to compensate for his piss puddle shallownwss of thought.

@@defaulttmc Norm actually had no answers to Destiny's great questions, instead he chose to attack Destiny's common sense, not professional.

​@@CivilizationInNation"Destiny" asked inane, ignorant, loaded questions. He's a nasal, limp-wristed effeminate who should stick to playing games on the internet.

one of my favorite comments on here so far. Classic!

Arguments of authority are fallacious. Don’t fall for it.

@@Arthur-fz5dwI totally agree, I am a neutral person to this conflict, i was interested to get a deeper understanding to this conflict. I felt Destiny answered adequate questions. And Norman was just on a deep rant about contemporary society. It feels like he loves to be in a castle up high in the sky. Where only the him called smartest people are allowed who have official degrees. It really speaks to his very narrow mind set of not accepting that people have other ways to reach enlightenment.

@@Arthur-fz5dw I’d take an actual qualified surgeon’s word on surgeries over anybody else, because of their authority, any day of the week.

@@muzzymikeonthemic9359 well, good for you but just so you know, this makes you a gullible person, easy to manipulate, and unable to think rationally, critically and independently 🤷‍♂️

did we watch the same video?

this comment needs more thumbs up

Watch what you say about the acclaimed scholar finkletwinkle

Here i fixed it I. Choose. My. Words. . Very. Carefully Mr Banell

Glad that this podcast showcases how much a nut job finklestein is…. Jesus look into him… He even harassed his neighbours !! He is mentally unwell

Destiny should've called him Mr twinkle star

I think everyone- no matter who you demonize- really is scratching and clawing for anything to latch onto as a mechanism for seeing the horror end

“Israel is a settler colonial project that is nearing its end, as colonial projects reach their final phase become more brutal and ruthless.” ~ Ilan Pape The Jewish Professor “We are witnessing the end of Zionism, which is the most dangerous stage because it fights for survival, very cruel and violent. It is the darest stage in the history of Palestine. But it’s the pre-dawn darkness!” ~ Ilan Pape The Jewish Professor « We cannot understand October 7th without knowing History.» ~ Shlomo Sand (Jewish historian) « Ahmad Yassine, founder of Hamas, was born near Ashkelon, also pushed with his family to Gaza by Israel. To refuse to see that 60% of Gazans came from the places where Israelis now live is to be blind. We cannot understand October 7th without knowing History.» ~ Shlomo Sand (Jewish historian) "The continuation of Israel’s crimes in GAZA and the continued American support with weapons may give a feeling for a moment that evil has triumphed, and that defeating it is impossible, but this is not true and Israel will be defeated and surrender in the end.” ~ The American journalist JT Chapman “The actions of the Palestinian Movement in October 7 are neither a terrorist attack nor an anti-Semitic attack, but an act of armed resistance and an uprising after decades of colonization.” ~ Judith Butler, American philosopher “Hamas will be able to resist Israel for years.” - US intelligence community IC “The war showed how difficult it is to eliminate an organization rooted in the civilian population.” - US intelligence community IC “Distrust of Netanyahu’s ability to govern runs deep among Israelis, We expect large protests demanding his resignation and the formation of a different, more moderate government.” - US intelligence community IC Without shoes and no modern weapons , without tanks and no F16 , without help of the NATO, without mercenaries and under unprecedent siege for more than 75 years , Palestinians are making history on the other hand the genocidaires of I0F have all of the above, and have achieved nothing of their objectives for 5 months in GAZA which is only 2 square meters, I have just understood the meaning of heroism and cowardice too

​@@ProjectileGrommet If this is the case, they aren't seeing everything for what it is. US is 100% bought by lobbyists is the reality. No way of rationalizing out of that reality.

​@@ProjectileGrommet Mr destiny said he don't believe Palestinian Gazan kids are kids with Prof, Mark lemot

bonus content Finklestein got so mad he tried/trying to take other people's children by calling CPS. oh yeah... this is a thing that happened at least two times.

Yes, watch a destiny, get his a** Owned and barely talk 2 hours and to show that he's such an intellectual fraud absolutely a guilty pleasure.

What commendable honesty

The intellectual personal insults were a highlight for me as well 💀😂😂

For sure. This is like the intellectual’s drama show

"Mr. Bordello"

Lol

😂😂😂

"is that Steven Bonnell with a B?"

Okay MR: Twinkelsteen

leave senile finkel there long enough, and that's what he'll start calling them.

Because they are making a case with one sided evidence where not even the whole court agrees. so yeah its just another random court at this point. I used to think judges were the best judges but as you can see with trumps witch hunt, many judges are ignorant or corrupt.

they can't enforce their decisions, so they are worthless.

It is tho.

hahahahh true

Dude! Seriously the best description of this video I have ever read!!!

And that audience actually has the knowledge to know these four men are a joke among intellectuals.... not just that Destiny guy.

LMFAO

very accurate

He's so catty

used it on my coworker...... he thought I was joking.

​@@EricG-bv2ui if you weren't, then you're likely an ass

The most embarrassing part is when destiny defends what he cant lol the spokespeople admitted to genocide and their intent to genocide with their own mouths during public speeches. Just yesterdays news more UN workers dead after handing out water yes I’m sure it was an accident.

Ad Hominem arguments are always a show of a winning side.

That was destiny’s entire tactic for the debate. I was wanting to see him get slammed so I was constantly looking for news on the debate and I found a clip from his stream right before the debate where he talks about how he just wants to try and frustrate norm as much as possible and how destiny wasn’t actually interested in actually debating

Norm started it with the intellectual better than you BS. You can add to a topic without spending a lifetime on it. What, Fibklestank is the unquestionable authority on this matter? What a joke.

he's a great b.s. artist

Well, those sound like fair questions considering how clear it is that Dinkelstein seems to live in some alternate reality completely detached from the actual situation vis a vis Israel/Palestine.

​@-postboy-8766 that is such bs. Destiny spent hours every day researching this topic live for months... Ur just ignorant. That's why Finkelstein was unable to attack a single point destiny made in this debate and Finkelstein was the clown relying on ad hominem attacks....

Correcting information is the most important thing. If you need go search something up to probe if it’s right or wrong that’s fine.

😂

*Palpatine force powers* ✋️

yeah, Norm is a loser with no knowledge 😂

Lol

Same.

Underrated comment

​@@remberingslumberfr

Problem is always the Middle East

Can you name one Palestinian Jew living in Palestine today?

@@Ventixothey all live in Israel.

They go over it but it’s because Zionism was an attempt to establish a majority jewish state ideally in the home land by piggy backing on British colonialism. Theodore Herzl courted the British government for decades trying to get them to back the project and they scouted out locations in Egypt, Argentina, and Uganda but all were ruled out because they deemed the locals would be too difficult to displace in the first place so when the Ottoman Empire collapsed and then Syria rose in open revolt the entente saw a golden opportunity to exploit that instability to establish the Jewish state there. It just happens the majority of the indigenous population where Arab Muslim, and so when the Zionist settler expanded like they always were going to based on what was discussed in the early part of this debate, it was Arab Muslims that were the target of the violence. Over the last century propaganda from Israel is explicitly dehumanizing of Palestinians and Muslims and is increasingly violent due to the lack of oversight or consequences for the human rights violations Israel continues to perpetuate. The core conflict is over land but it’s undeniable that for a lot of people it is a religious conflict and Israel is conducting a systematic mass murder of a specific group of people so it is also an ethnic cleansing

Not necessarily. If you define Arab Ethnicity by "he speak Arabic" than yes, they are all Arab, but i you say "Arab" as in "some from Arabia" then there are no Jews or Christian (or any minority) and the middle east that is Arab, only Muslims are Arab, because Muslims have killed all the minorities in Arabia and the minorities have gone extinct. Many Jews, Druze, Christians, Bahai and other minorities would take offense if you call them "Arab."

Benny: ONLY 30,000!

It annoys finkelstein that there is basically this "kid" named "destiny" that has come basically out of nowhere and is far more organized and prepared than him.

@@user-gl8eh3kt2u lol…I literally laughed at your comment.

@@user-gl8eh3kt2u dude spent his enitre life on this shit and got out smarted by a kid whit a stripers name

@@user-gl8eh3kt2uWhich Video did you watch?

Tell me you didn't watch the debate without telling me.

Norm was embarrassing in this debate, and he’s supposed to be your best so called “scholar”. Embarrassing, embarrassing, embarrassing!

@@Paulmesolikey How is he embarrassing?

@@aymanabd5861 he misquotes others a lot, his arguments are based on books HE wrote, he couldn't answer question from a blue haired gamer and instead used ad hominem attacks to discredit. He also claims to be a historian but anyone can claim that, he's a political scientist. also I can't take him seriously cause he complains about Israel but doesn't give solutions (I heard him say that for peace to happen Israel must draw all of it's troops and lay down their arms - super unrealistic for someone who is a so called "expert"). generally very childish and entitled behavior, he's also arguing from authority i.e. "I've read 1000 books i know more than you" kind of argument. all of this behavior is not scholarly it's just another populist trying to earn money on the backs of REAL people suffering.

you mean the guy insulting people all along, who can't answer a proper question, and who can't read hebrew ? only capable of quoting ?

It's a great microcosm of this entire debate. Finklestein having zero substance, throwing out ad homs, and then admitting that he wants more Palestinians to die. It's a perfect encapsulation of his evil mindset.