Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris | Lex Fridman Podcast  

Podcast length record breaking day.. this should be good.

the intro is litty🔥

There is no debate when it comes to genocide. Poor civilians are starving, crying in pain, and dying in horror on mass. I'm usually a fan but for yall to be well feed and rested put all this effort into nothing when it's yall with the money and influence... Shame.

Yes. What Hamas is doing is horrific and, perhaps worse is how the Muslim and Arab world could care less about the Palestinians.@@joea959

Please interview: Rabbi Elhanan Beck, George Galloway, Ilan Pappe, Christopher Bollyn, Mohammed El-Kurd (part 2)

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He was having so much fun doing that haha

Old codger.

By running circles around him

@@Zubshady2333more like slowly floating around by the speed he’s going

I don’t particularly like Destiny… but he’s been putting his work and time in this.

​@Sukhix05x maybe he shouldn't 😂

A discredited historian **

A Holocaust denier, a journalist, a historian and a political streamer walk into a bar

@@beansdestroyer discredited by who and why?

lmao

Huh?

underrated comment

You probably overestimate the quality of debates when you were at school.

@@theplouf5533he didn’t make any estimation about the debates.

Exactly how I felt after watching this.

He's amazing

Nope he can’t condemn Hamas! He’s also a conspiracy theorist like Finklestein

Maybe you should listen to what hes saying instead of "how eloquent he is" when spouting bs.

@@zsoltszabo22 You just gave a point to the other side. Even Rabbani's enemies don't discredit him like that.

Rabbani is my 1x standard here,, Morris is a little bit quicker

I’m on x2 on Finkel and it’s still too slow, once someone else interrupts I lose 5 paragraphs tho

We need a unifying speed edit

.5 speed is for when Destiny talks 1.5 speed is for when Stinklepeen talks and it's still not sped up enough lol

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What? Ah, the playback speed! 😂

“yOu CaNt TrUsT tHe MaChInEs!!!” - Finkelstinky.

Just wanted to point that out too

Moeen Rabbani: [breathes] Morris: [smiles coyly] that is also a red herring.

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I can’t tell if it’s good or bad that he doesn’t respect him at all.

Norman did factually correct a lot of times on destiny.

Ok there are many funny comments but this is my favourite by far! XDD

Thank you for your service

🤣 bravo 👏

Appreciate the levity in these dark times.

He also called him Destiny once or twice when he was heated

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Hes there to bring some actual sense, thats what the debate indicates

He’s a large voice for people on the Jewish side, he’s pretty well versed in the history of Israel/Palestine

I like scientific reasoning and expertise and all but Finkelstein straight up dismissed everything Destiny said before he even said it and only addressed Mr Morris

@@danielkist1040he let him speak the first times, including jabs at him, but he saw the BS he’s spewing so he just wanted to shut him up

Because destiny has no clue what he's talking about. He just doesn't have the credentials to be on this discussion. His the ID of zionist thought, which has value in a certain context. He has no place in a serious academic debate. ​@@danielkist1040

@@ssssssssssssssssss50 And, to you, calling Destiny “Mr. Borelli” and “Mr. Bontinelli” whenever he made a refutable point, rather than responding in kind with an educated response, made Finkelstein look intelligent?

​@@danielkist1040 to be fair I would to considering he's an insufferable squirrel-voiced moron who somehow insinuated himself into a debate between three people who know infinitely more about the subject than him. But then I suppose it's the best the Zionist camp could come up with.

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The guy is delusional and senile. Give him a break.

Jajajaja

Nebraska Steve loves to get publicly humiliated lmao

Solid game. Burnout revenge was the one I played the most though .... 50 car pile ups 😅

Lmao nailed it

AMAZIN

Definitely a stripper name.

Finkelstein is just an arrogant asshole.

Perfect assessment!

Why he asking remedially basic questions 😂 if you think “England” was taking Jews. You might be a fuckin moron.

It's just a childish debate tactic, he's obviously not actually forgetting. As soon as they're on break he magically remembers, funny that.

It was a brutal tactic.

​@lamalama9717 brutal? Maybe a brutal assassination of his own character. He did the same to everyone else present refusing to go by first names as the moderator suggested. He did this only because he wants to pretend he's above this conversation when the only thing he is above is reason

@@hughmungus9995 I'm not sure Norm had the same condescending attitude towards his academic opponent. He explained that he's more comfortable being formal in that regard, hence using the "Professor" title when addressing the interlocutor he accepts as a peer.

i wish there was more dialogue in the world and less "debates" that focus solely on scoring points . People forgot what dialogue means and how important it is

The people on the left are so concerned with International law that they explicitly support the Houthis attacking civilian ships.

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Nice

Niche but excellent comment

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Thank you for this comment, I got more enjoyment out of it then the entire debate.

Loved it 😂

i heard borrelli hahah

wtf is this lol, 3 actually kinda important people worth listening to and then theres this unwashed looking double divorced weirdo lmao

😂 Mr. Bostiolli

😂Thank you Mr. Boselli

Y u no put timestamp?

Lol.

It shouldn’t. Thats all finkelstein ever does

Yeah, what a great “counter argument”

its in the intro dw@@segasys1339

If you think Muslims today hate Jews because of Israel and Christians because of America, you have been completely brainwashed.. I copied and paste just a few verses directly from the Quran. Take a look. Source: The Qur’an: “0 ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another: And whoso among you takes them for friends is indeed one of them. Verily, Allah guides not the unjust people” “Among the Jews are some who take words out of context, and say, “We hear and we disobey”, and “Hear without listening”, and “Observe us,” twisting with their tongues and slandering the religion.” “Due to wrongdoing on the part of the Jews, We forbade them good things that used to be lawful for them; and for deterring many from Allah’s path.” “You will find that the people most hostile towards the believers are the Jews and the polytheists.” “For the Jews We forbade everything with claws. As of cattle and sheep: We forbade them their fat, except what adheres to their backs, or the entrails, or what is mixed with bone. This is how We penalized them for their inequity” “The Jews said, “Ezra is the son of Allah,” and the Christians said, “The Messiah is the son of Allah.” These are their statements, out of their mouths. They emulate the statements of those who blasphemed before. May Allah assail them! How deceived they are!” “Ask the Children of Israel how many clear signs We have given them. Whoever alters the blessing of Allah after it has come to him-Allah is severe in retribution.” But remember we are told the Quran/Islam is a peaceful, loving, accepting religion 😂 as a person whose read the Quran 3 times, in speaking to many Muslims, I can assure you all, that majority of Muslims have not read the Quran themselves not even once! What a racist vile book! Truly is. By the way, the Quran mentions Israel 43x, The Quran mentions Palestine 0x. But remember brainwashed Jihadis in 2024 want you to believe that “the jews colonized Arabs”. The Arab Caliphate is the 5th biggest colonizing empire in HUMAN HISTORY!! The Arabs are originally only from the Arabian Peninsula (Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, UAE, Kuwait) but yet society has everyone brainwashed to think Arabs are somehow also native to the Levant (Israel, Lebanon, Syria) and North Africa (Morocco, Algeria , Tunisia, Libya, Egypt)! 5th biggest colonization empire in HUMAN HISTORY! Those are the fact!

I like that he is soft spoken and articulate...but he can't shake his extremism...he mumbled Anwar Sadat (the Egyptian PM who made peace with Israel) SHOULD have been assassinated...that's like wait...WHAT?!

rabanni was awful and refuses to answer any quesiton

@@itryesitr8053well that’s clearly false to anyone who watched the video.

@@itryesitr8053 Taking the time to explain the context of a biased question before anwsering can only be seen as a refusal to anwser by a goldfish with the memory of 3 seconds that can't even concentrate on watching a tiktok dance...

Im on h4:23 and wonder why this dude, Destiny was invited. He has obviously not the same level of knowledge about this cause.

you have the best take of the comments ive read through so far

In every single war since history of men there has been casualties. Innocent people die during war. That is a fact, we try now to decrease casualties as much as possible but they still happen. Acting as if this won’t ever happen during arm conflict is unrealistic.

Lo de Israel es lo mismo que pasó en su momento en Alemania en los 30s-40s. Los alemanos, así como tampoco los judíos, son seres malvados y corruptos. Ambos casos son la consecuencia de actores reaccionarios con demasiado poder, que a su vez radicalizan a sus respectivas sociedades. No dudes que muchos israelitas ven a los musulmanes como subhumanos. Pero lo peor de todo es que a occidente le conviene tener ahí a Israel, así que les venden armas y protegen para que estos funcionen de faro en el medio oeste, con potencias en desarrollo como Irán. Al final todo esto es causado por occidente, que mandó y financió a seres viles para que vayan a matar y robar tierras. En esos tiempos de finales de los 40 y 50s habían autenticos escuadrones de la muerte israelitas en busca de palestinos que matar. Saludos desde Paraguay!! Suerte, que está compleja la situación en nuestro contienente también.

Lo de Israel es lo mismo que pasó en su momento en Alemania en los 30s-40s. Los alemanos, así como tampoco los judíos, son seres malvados y corruptos. Ambos casos son la consecuencia de actores reaccionarios con demasiado poder, que a su vez radicalizan a sus respectivas sociedades. No dudes que muchos israelitas ven a los musulmanes como subhumanos. Pero lo peor de todo es que a occidente le conviene tener ahí a Israel, así que les venden armas y protegen para que estos funcionen de faro en el medio oeste, con potencias en desarrollo como Irán. Al final todo esto es causado por occidente, que mandó y financió a seres viles para que vayan a matar y robar tierras. En esos tiempos de finales de los 40 y 50s habían autenticos escuadrones de la muerte israelitas en busca de palestinos que matar. Saludos desde Paraguay por cierto.

Morris really couldn't come back he just blustered

let me quote you yourself from my own book

​​@@Ajsopranosrubberduxsuree buddy. Go read the actual content of the quotes that norm casually takes out of context and you just gulp it up like a good boy

@@alejammi I've read Righteous Victims...

@@Ajsopranosrubberdux with the reading comprehension of a toad apparently

I love that 100+ comments exactly like this showed up days after its initial release, indicating that this it isn't an organic thought but instead regurgitation from Destiny reviewing the video on stream. Especially because he correctly responded with "Bonnell" in response to Destiny's reply, proving it's a completely fabulized deflection.

​@@GreyKnight7777This was published today was it not?

@@GreyKnight7777 He's such a grown up baby for miscalling his name the entire time but when he thought the camera went off he was like "Mr Bonnell", what a slimey little smug Finklestein is.

​@@GreyKnight7777 you love that comments came after people actually watched the 5 hour video, rather than commenting 5 min after upload or memeing about twitter clips taken out of context? You're really going out on a limb there GayNight666

@@samuelc.7212 It was not.

That is AWESOME!

Yet somehow 1 of the Mr. Olympias drops a weight on his own head.

Oh my god yes!!!

@@Lemmyywinkz To be honest I kind of get where he's coming from. Like, he spent about 50 years studying the subject and now has to engage with someone who studied it for 3 weeks and keeps interrupting him and sharing incredibly simplistic talking points on the subject, that's got to be frustrating. Like, I study electrical engineering, if I was in a seminar talking about Q-learning vs. Proximal Policy Optimization for control of robotic arms, and someone came in and kept saying "that's great an all, but I think it's important to note that you can write code to control all sorts of robots!", I wouldn't want to engage with him, I'd want him to shut up and let the adults talk.

I don't know if I'd call Destiny a Mr. Olympia, but yes, Norm acted like a brain-damaged person 😉

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I choose my words very carefully, Mr. Majooki

I read this comment this morning and have been laughing about it all day. Thanks for that.

@@sethdhanson same - it really cracked me up

Finkelstein has severe dementia.

I kept thinking "Do names not apply to your rationale on your superior intellect..."

18 year olds shouldnt be watching 5 hour "debates", coming from a 19 yr old

Praying for the kid who’s father is such a dork he thinks lex Friedman is an intellectual

@@Tw0tson It's the debate you id!0t

Cringe

@@meylinlibertaskeef3346 I don't see why not, certain 18 year olds (including me) are interested in such historically rich educational debates. Nothing wrong with enriching your mind, more of an abundant net-gain.

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i fell asleep and woke up in the middle of finklestein trying to take destiny's kid away from him

​@@aSSGoblin1488yeah, cause norms a humanitarian. just seeing destiny on the internet is abuse, imagine the psychic trauma of having to interact with him in real life and knowing that he's your father. yikes!

Lol 😂

same here

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Destiny is a lot like Vermicelli

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Don't mention it, Mr. Frankenstein

the irony are tho despite how many times he got that name wrong, thats propably what i had least issues with. for someone that uses a terms like international law so many times its absurd how little he know about it, and someone like finkelstein should really know that UN and its resolutions are simply political opinions and have nothing to do with international law, or any other laws for that matter. the only exception are resolutions under chapter 7 given by the security council, but those are so rarely used i think last time was in the ballpark of 2005 or something regarding something that happened in lebanon. its allso absurd how he state that the israeli settlements are not legal according to international law, yet theres nothing in that law that actual in any way say they are illegal

Tell me you didn't watch the debate without telling me.

Norm was embarrassing in this debate, and he’s supposed to be your best so called “scholar”. Embarrassing, embarrassing, embarrassing!

LOL

So true

xDDD

Without finkelstein it might be a fun blunt rotation lol

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You might be interested to know that he doesn't have a cell phone of his own. He uses a landline lol

@@billybitchcakes8611he should use a landmine, or nvm his walking speed probably wouldnt activate it anyways

he read a book about it, he good@@billybitchcakes8611

I think he meant the ipad

Trying to explain to a man military aviation hierarchy and process when he doesent even own a phone

Brilliant

Lol

All those Laughing laughing.is zionist propaganda

Agree. Totally engaging discussion. Grueling 5 hours revealed truth- the story of two unfortunate nations. The West is doing injustice to both of them.

According to my watch I just completed my most intensive workout of the past 12 months. Also, it is telling me to contact my physician.

Finklestien is HALARIOUS😂😂😂

I'm afraid you're in league of your own if you didnt keep on switching speeds depending on who was speaking.

​@@davidmelamed2774nah you need the whole range. It cant all be the same. It's like different textures on a sandwich.

@@davidmelamed2774No he’s not.

I think it best normal speed all the way.

it is a perfect video for someone trying to build a mega city on city skylines@@davidmelamed2774

Me neither... I rolled 4 blunts. Cheers

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Hah

You do now, buddy...you do now.

​@@RocketGator05two minutes in and im on my fifth blunt

Lol. I noticed that too. Go Norm!

Slow or fast it's nonsense in any case

Norm can only talk fast on two occasions, ad hominem attacks or when he is speaking over someone else 😂

But he likes to take his time when explaining Mr. Pirelli's imbecility.

​@@mintviper5213 no wonder he talked so fast, so often

hahahaha

I find it strange that Finkelstein sees himself as a rigerous academic, based on all of the criticisms he throws out, but half of his arguments against destiny are ad-hominem. It is a bad look.

@@FarvaU23 well to be fair, Destiny was being a motormouth

@@AG-gp1kd ikr he should have rather grandstanded for 30 minutes

@@FarvaU23because he’s fighting the dehumanisation of of a people. I think another person would feel the same heating and upset someone justifying the holocaust

Lex doesn't have facial expressions lol first time here?

Willing to pay for it 😂😂

I'd subscribe to a patron for that cut. It'd be like watching the saddest, slowest tennis match ever, but I'd watch with buttered popcorn and a coke.

No expressions from hitman 47

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4:33:52

Jee whiz

Lex’s can’t go deep and this shows his naivety. He thinks a dialogue with adversaries, will solve all major issues with humanity. Lex, if you care, then give your opinion on the matter! I would love to hear it after bringing in many guests from both sides and if you actually paid any attention.

Lex seems to think that every conflict is just a huge misunderstanding and a few kind words will have everyone singing kumbaya by the end

he is a very positive character, isn’t he?

Guy doesn't even know the names of his opponents walking into a formal debate?? Total lack of respect.

@@JD..........no, only ones with beta male names. Bonelli? What are you? A pasta?

how do you consider yourself? how would you matchup in the debate? Watch you words, kid.@@Srfs777

@@Beissi-nb9hi easy there noodles , can’t punch through a message board.

​@@TrutheyneskyBrilliant! Has a de nero feel to it!😂

They got so deranged when it sounds like norm and mouin are NOT condemning h*mas while simultaneously defending an army that is literally committing a plausible genocide

We need more channels like this top notch quality content and free speech

I just don't know what we get from it? A consensus? A solution? Both sides are sticking to their views and haven't changed. It's a debate for the sake of it.

@@GK-qc5ryIt gives a good reflection of where the conflict is at.

@@GK-qc5ryYou’re supposed to draw your own conclusions and see the good and bad in their argument. It’s a small snippet in your own research

@@GK-qc5ryThe point of debates like this is not to persuade the other person, it's to persuade the audience that follow them. Neither side was ever going to convince the other that they're wrong, especially not in a public debate where reputation matters, but at the very least they can introduce ideas to the people who watch the other side

Copium overdose

Well if it's facts it's not a insult he's trusted resource was Wikipedia he didn't have the knowledge to sit on that table

@@rzjustice1994 this really is not an argument, and it's not true. He read a bunch of the geneva convention, at least 1 or 2 books in full and a bunch of human rights organization + UN reports as parts of the prep. But besides this, there's nothing wrong with wikipedia, it has a bunch of true stuff on it. Address an incorrect point. Just one. Bring an example.

@@radMisc I think the point is Destiny is clearly out of his league on this one. He is clearly struggling to add to the conversation and constantly googling and reading his ipad trying to figure out what to say next. It is not that his points are incorrect, it that his points aren't meaningful. He just resorts to debate lord tactics because he doesn't have the knowledge base to participate any other way.

@@radMisc Just to illustrate the discrepancy here. The other three gentlemen at this table have devoted their professional lives studying the Israel Palestine conflict: Finkelstein himself for nearly 40 years since completing his doctorate in the 80's...Destiny reads some online articles for a week from his gaming chair, and then starts flippantly dismissing all the points they make. It doesn't matter how much of a 'genius' Destiny portrays himself as online, the amount of research he's done is probably less or equivalent to a single semester basic undergraduate course on the subject. Finkelstein had a right to be upset, and I'm surprised that his partner exercised such patience until the end.

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😂 thanks for bringing in humor among such tough stuff.

@@janetfox-petersen2790 It’s really not that funny. Especially not for the natives of the land🤷🏽‍♂️

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*Palpatine force powers* ✋️

yeah, Norm is a loser with no knowledge 😂

Lol

Same.

He's so catty

used it on my coworker...... he thought I was joking.

​@@EricG-bv2ui if you weren't, then you're likely an ass

The most embarrassing part is when destiny defends what he cant lol the spokespeople admitted to genocide and their intent to genocide with their own mouths during public speeches. Just yesterdays news more UN workers dead after handing out water yes I’m sure it was an accident.

Ad Hominem arguments are always a show of a winning side.

Haha... Finkelstein had his abacus 🧮

Finkelstein has never owned a cell phone. So that's where that's coming from. His Twitter was set up by students, and he basically writes down statements that they tweet on his behalf.

@@TheTMKF incredible that a renowned "historian" on the topic is rattled by an ipad XD really tells you a lot

​@@Ookalaable if by rattled you mean confused by destiny's lack of rebuttal to the actual substance being discussed and continually bringing up reddit talking points that no one in this room ever mentioned, then yes he was rattled af.

@@julie-mt2xr"reddit talking points"

I know right, guy was so well spoken

Meine Damen und Herren, Bürger und Bürgerinnen dieser Erde. An die 2 Völker palestina und Israel. verehrte Mitglieder der internationalen Gemeinschaft, sowie Vertreter der israelischen Regierung, es ist an der Zeit, nicht nur Worte zu sprechen, sondern Taten zu zeigen. Es ist an der Zeit, dass das israelische Volk und seine Regierung den Charakter zeigen, der sie auszeichnet: einen Charakter von Menschlichkeit, Gerechtigkeit und Versöhnung. In einer Zeit, in der wir nach so vielen Jahren der Unterdrückung und des Leids stehen, ist es an der Zeit, dass wir uns der Vergangenheit stellen und die Zukunft gemeinsam gestalten. **Erklärung der Initiative:** Einführung eines alle Regierungen zum Schutz des vom Notstand betroffenen Volk verpflichtet. Wenn wir etwas aus dem Holocaust gelernt haben sollten. Ist es, das damals das jüdisch Volk auf die internationale Gemeinschaft angewiesen war. Einmischung von Aussen auf Hitlers Genozid. Wardie einzige Chance war dem blinden Hass und der entmenschlichung einhalt zu gebieten. Und das aus Vernunft. Aus Pflicht. Und um die 'VÖLKERVIELFALT dem interesse des einzelnen Volkes entgegenzustellen. Ein Staat gegen VÖLKERVIELFALT ist ein unrechtmässiger Staat. nationaler rassentheorien unterworfen. Initiative Notstand Palstina Die Initiative zur vorübergehenden Rechtssicherung der palästinensischen Interessen und Bi but v Menschenrechte vor der internationalen Gemeinschaft ist ein Schritt, der unmissverständlich klarstellt, dass das palästinensische Volk Anspruch auf eine politische Vertretung hat, die ihre Rechte in vollem Umfang wahrnehmen und verteidigen kann. Es geht hier um mehr als nur Prinzipien; es geht um die Wiederherstellung der Würde und Gerechtigkeit für jeden einzelnen Palästinenser. **Argumentation gegen eine Zwei-Staaten-Lösung:** Die Propagierung einer Zwei-Staaten-Lösung ist eine Beleidigung für jeden Palästinenser und Israeli gleichermaßen. Eine solche Lösung würde lediglich die Mauern des Gefängnisses verschieben, ohne die grundlegenden Ungerechtigkeiten zu beseitigen. Jeder Palästinenser verdient genau die gleichen Rechte und Sicherheiten wie ein Israeli, einschließlich eines israelischen Passes und eines effektiven Schutzes seiner Interessen vor Gericht. **Darlegung der Grundrechte:** 1. **Menschenwürde und Schutz vor Diskriminierung:** Jeder einzelne Palästinenser verdient Respekt und Würde, frei von Diskriminierung und Unterdrückung. Die Vergangenheit hat gezeigt, dass diese Würde oft verletzt wurde, doch es ist an der Zeit, sie wiederherzustellen. 2. **Recht auf Freiheit und Gleichheit:** In einer Zwei-Staaten-Lösung wäre die Gleichheit nicht gegeben, da die ökonomischen und sozialen Disparitäten weiter bestehen würden. Jeder Palästinenser sollte die gleichen Chancen und Freiheiten genießen wie ein Israeli. 3. **Recht auf körperliche Unversehrtheit und Sicherheit:** Die Sicherheit der Palästinenser kann nur durch eine umfassende Lösung gewährleistet werden, die ihre volle Integration und Gleichberechtigung gewährleistet. Eine Zwei-Staaten-Lösung würde diese Sicherheit nicht garantieren. 4. **Schutz der Familie und Recht auf Versammlungsfreiheit:** Die Familien der Palästinenser verdienen Schutz vor Gewalt und Repression, sowie das Recht, sich frei zu versammeln und politisch zu organisieren. 5. **Recht auf gleiche Chancen und wirtschaftliche Stabilität:** Eine Zwei-Staaten-Lösung würde keine gerechten Chancen für die palästinensische Bevölkerung schaffen, sondern sie weiterhin benachteiligen. Jeder Palästinenser verdient die gleichen wirtschaftlichen Möglichkeiten wie ein Israeli. **Schlussfolgerung:** Es ist an der Zeit, dass wir uns gemeinsam der Vergangenheit stellen und die Fehler der Geschichte korrigieren. Es ist an der Zeit, dass das israelische Volk und seine Regierung zeigen, dass sie ein Volk von Menschlichkeit und Gerechtigkeit sind. Eine Zwei-Staaten-Lösung ist keine Option mehr, sondern eine gerechte und umfassende Lösung, die die Rechte und Würde jedes einzelnen Palästinensers respektiert und schützt. Lasst uns gemeinsam diesen Weg der Versöhnung und des Friedens gehen, denn nur gemeinsam können wir eine Zukunft gestalten, die auf den Prinzipien von Gerechtigkeit, Gleichheit und Menschlichkeit basiert. Damals entschied sich eine Familie nicht gegen Israel in den Krieg zu ziehen sondern sich im neugegründeten Staat Israel niederzulassen und mit den Israelis in Frieden zu leben. Nach der Zeit unter dem Briten sahen sie trotz aller Gefahren auch eine Chance. Diese Chance besteht bis zum heutigen Tag. Wir können bekämpfen oder ergänzen. Hassen oder Lieben. Wollen wir uns auf ewig bekriegen oder ewigen Frieden. Als Abu Gosh haben wir die Pflicht darauf hinzuweisen das unserer Völker ein Volk. Unsere Blüter ein Blut. Und unsere Götter sind der eine Gott und es gibt keinen Gottes ausser Gott. Versöhnung. Vergebung Wiedervereinigung. Wiedergutmachung. Integration. Das sie die Wörter die wir lieben als Geschöpfe des Schöpfers. Annnerkennung für Annnerkennung. Jeder palestinänser und jeder Jude dieser Erde. Haben das Recht den Staat Israel anzuerkennen und sich im Staat Israel niederzulassen. Gemeinsam sind wir der Beweis das es einen Gott gibt. Getrennt.. Beschämend wir die Welt, Gott und uns selbst. Und können immer mit dem Finger auf den anderen zeigen. Anerkennung für Anerkennung jeder präsenzer soll für sich selber entscheiden und wenn er sich dazu entscheidet den israelischen Staat anzuerkennen dann soll der israelische Staat ihm im Gegenzug israelische Staatsbürgerschaft geben und alle Rechte die dazu gehören und ihm in Israel willkommen heißen als Bruder. Lässt uns den Grundstein zur größten Bruderschaft setzen die je auf Erden gewandelt ist. Den Eck Pfeiler. Di 27.februar 2024 Sami David Karl Abu Gosh

Lex is a hippie wearing a suit, the point is u can't

Lex's unwillingness to see reality because of his forced optimism is a little tiresome sometimes. I listened to his interview with Mohammad El-Kurd today and he was willfully ignoring El-Kurd's position constantly because he wanted to hear him give a Palestinian rendition of "I have a dream" while there are settlers in his mother's garden

@@Ed-zp2xo let the jews have there little country i say.

@@Ed-zp2xo Lex optimism bothers me as well. For example in interview with a Islam-promoting guy named "Omar", more like a politician doing PR treatment for Islam, Lex failed to critically even touch any of Omar's statements, which not only came off as unprepared, but ignorant as well. Omar went on giving all the stock Islam apologist statements, which with how eloquent Omar is made Islam look like it has no faults and no controversy. I find this unacceptable. Its as if a N4zi came in on a podcast sugarcoating their "ideology" and it was the interviewer's 1st ever contact with that ideology and does zero pushing and questioning of the ideology. its his blind spot but honestly i feel like it must be addressed otherwise he's not growing as an interviewer. and i'm getting too old for slimy propaganda interviews.

Makes for a very bias debate. Couldn't agree more a live audience almost always ruins a debate. If most of the audience is on one side they will exaggerate the points made by the one side even if the point isn't very valid

@@anthonyhewitt9397 they will also clap for well-spoken fallacies

That part near the end was pretty baffling. Some real lone wolves here

Finkelstein supports any non Western state breaking international laws. He explicitly says so for the Houthis for example in this conversation.

@@theartfuldodger8609 exactly, both sides are hypocrites. But the way Norman has conducted himself in this debate was outright embarrassing for the pro Palestinian argument. After all it’s the best “scholar” they have to offer, if destiny was so wrong it would be easy for a person who read 1000+ books on the topic to refute him. Instead he used ad hominem and somehow people buy this bs. And it’s all because he’s on the side of Palestinians, the tribalism surrounding this topic is extensive

morris knew he was exposed ,

@@moneflowe6995 in what way ? People views cannot evolve or be nuanced ?

Do you think his book should not be criticized? The question was why Benny changed what he said about the settler-colonial roots in Zionism.

No he was saying you can't put ideology in a vacuum like Ole boi did

Nobody cares about these timestamps. We only want timestamps of every time Finkelstein tries to say Destiny's name. EDIT: To those complaining, this is pure sarcasm.

​@@OBZ I'm sorry what was your name again, was it Density?

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​​@@OBZ People who care about the content, appreciate the timestamps, you simpleton.

@@ControlledBalance lol relax, I'm being sarcastic

Actually hilarious how he tried to dismiss destiny, then proceeded to get so slapped around that he lost all composure and lex had to tell him to reel it in. He called destiny a lightweight and then got destroyed by him. Humiliating

@@lilrawri8446😂

@@lilrawri8446 real 😭

@@lilrawri8446 honestly embarrassing

​@@lilrawri8446"destroyed" 😂 you Destiny fans live in an alternate reality.

why does the land belong to the palestinians in your mind, even though Jews have had a more consistent and longer presence in the area?

The Arabs immigrated to Palestine before the Jews and spent more time than the Jews​@@hasuuuu

Gay ass comment

I love !

LOL, good one!

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THIS! This is what happened! "I am not saving space for this things name..."

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I think everyone- no matter who you demonize- really is scratching and clawing for anything to latch onto as a mechanism for seeing the horror end

“Israel is a settler colonial project that is nearing its end, as colonial projects reach their final phase become more brutal and ruthless.” ~ Ilan Pape The Jewish Professor “We are witnessing the end of Zionism, which is the most dangerous stage because it fights for survival, very cruel and violent. It is the darest stage in the history of Palestine. But it’s the pre-dawn darkness!” ~ Ilan Pape The Jewish Professor « We cannot understand October 7th without knowing History.» ~ Shlomo Sand (Jewish historian) « Ahmad Yassine, founder of Hamas, was born near Ashkelon, also pushed with his family to Gaza by Israel. To refuse to see that 60% of Gazans came from the places where Israelis now live is to be blind. We cannot understand October 7th without knowing History.» ~ Shlomo Sand (Jewish historian) "The continuation of Israel’s crimes in GAZA and the continued American support with weapons may give a feeling for a moment that evil has triumphed, and that defeating it is impossible, but this is not true and Israel will be defeated and surrender in the end.” ~ The American journalist JT Chapman “The actions of the Palestinian Movement in October 7 are neither a terrorist attack nor an anti-Semitic attack, but an act of armed resistance and an uprising after decades of colonization.” ~ Judith Butler, American philosopher “Hamas will be able to resist Israel for years.” - US intelligence community IC “The war showed how difficult it is to eliminate an organization rooted in the civilian population.” - US intelligence community IC “Distrust of Netanyahu’s ability to govern runs deep among Israelis, We expect large protests demanding his resignation and the formation of a different, more moderate government.” - US intelligence community IC Without shoes and no modern weapons , without tanks and no F16 , without help of the NATO, without mercenaries and under unprecedent siege for more than 75 years , Palestinians are making history on the other hand the genocidaires of I0F have all of the above, and have achieved nothing of their objectives for 5 months in GAZA which is only 2 square meters, I have just understood the meaning of heroism and cowardice too

​@@ProjectileGrommet If this is the case, they aren't seeing everything for what it is. US is 100% bought by lobbyists is the reality. No way of rationalizing out of that reality.

​@@ProjectileGrommet Mr destiny said he don't believe Palestinian Gazan kids are kids with Prof, Mark lemot

bonus content Finklestein got so mad he tried/trying to take other people's children by calling CPS. oh yeah... this is a thing that happened at least two times.

i'm wheezing

lmao, nailed it, who recast wise/calm Finkelstein with this angry old dude?

Maaaan, cuuudos, cuuuuuudos :)

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“Mr.Burelli I’m gonna ask you again to stop displaying your imbecility.” got me. Norm might be wrong on the facts but his insult game is amazing.

"You are the peak of imbecility" , i was dying

@@6laccdemarcowhich facts? name 2

@@looc546 Theyre tryin so hard to spin this disaster, but its too late, we all seen it happen.

I just wrote a long reply, there are so many things Finkelsteib gets wrong it’s crazy. Did you actually watch the video?

Not sure about the Excellet moderator. Whatever you believe, you gotto admit that at times Destiniy couldn't answer Norm's questions, nor ask something in return without being talked over or called a moron.

Yes, thank you! At some point I couldn’t tolerate Finkelstein’s screaming, cutting people, silencing, the disrespect. It was too much and unprofessional.

If norm and destiny were gone it would have been way informative .

@@kathrynmoore2370if destiny were gone it would’ve been fine. You can tell the three educated men respect each other, but Norm could not stand Destiny’s self righteous, know it all, disrespectful attitude about a subject which he clearly knows significantly less about.

@@Paulie_Geelie norm just started yelling so you couldn’t hear destiny every time he asked a question norm didn’t want to answer😂 The amount of cope in these comments is rough

@@aygunsamedova1083norm couldn’t even get a sentence out

Notice how much respect he has for Benny Morris (despite him despising his political and personal beliefs) and how little respect he has for Destiny. Inviting thay moron of a streamer on was a massive mistake.

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Only because Norman is a completely clown. Actually, he is a despicable piece of garbage.

You're acting exactly like you did in this debate lmao, you throw out insults in lieu of substance. Why are you so afraid of simply discussing the topic

He was hust disappointed when he found out that Destiny wasn't a young hot female stripper.

Hahaha

Finkelstein knows how to read but Destiny knows how to think.

​@@CivilizationInNationDestiny knows how to jibber at warp speed to compensate for his piss puddle shallownwss of thought.

@@defaulttmc Norm actually had no answers to Destiny's great questions, instead he chose to attack Destiny's common sense, not professional.

​@@CivilizationInNation"Destiny" asked inane, ignorant, loaded questions. He's a nasal, limp-wristed effeminate who should stick to playing games on the internet.

You should brush your teeth and then watch the full episode

more like destined to be an idiot

No caruana instead of levy?

He seems to be doing okay. To his credit it doesn't seem like he jumps in anywhere where he doesn't have knowledge. This is my first introduction to Destiny tho

No? Destiny actually belongs there. You wouldn’t belong in a chess match with any of those people.

Resorting to foul language really speaks volumes about his side of the story

@@stefangreve7983keep coping

@@MohsinAli-jt5rk Thus, further proving my point that there is no merit to the Palestinian cause.

@@stefangreve7983 the word moron is foul language now🤣i wonder what you have to say about destiny being extremely vulgar and also insulting in so many of his debates

Doesn't make any of his arguments invalid. Sorry bro​@@stefangreve7983

This is not about needs.

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After watching the whole debate in 50x speed I can confidently say my side won.

Destiny thinks Egypt borders Russia

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Yes, watch a destiny, get his a** Owned and barely talk 2 hours and to show that he's such an intellectual fraud absolutely a guilty pleasure.

What commendable honesty

The intellectual personal insults were a highlight for me as well 💀😂😂

For sure. This is like the intellectual’s drama show

"Mr. Bordello"

Lol

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"is that Steven Bonnell with a B?"

Okay MR: Twinkelsteen

Very sorry, I found even the devious Dr Morris to be good-natured in his delivery/response to Dr Finkelstein's statements.

@@castelodeossos3947 Norm, is that you?

@@castelodeossos3947 yeah from my eyes only Mr finkelstien behaved like a complete dick who embarrassed himself... all he did was insult people and get their names wrong xD didn't even engage properly with arguments.

​@@suspendedtwice4sayingrasis261 no, just someone else on the spectrum

@@Jaaskle We really spectrum shaming with Destiny in the room? 😂

He deeply hates both, since he hates Israel so much and anyone who defends it. He just knows that he can get away with disrespecting Destiny openly whereas he has to be more subtle with Morris.

​@Greatot did you open his heart or what 😂

Yup, I wasn't impressed by the Wikipedia researcher either.

@@Greatot Anyone with a modicum of human decency hates Israel.

what?? he seems to hate morris

one of my favorite comments on here so far. Classic!

Arguments of authority are fallacious. Don’t fall for it.

@@Arthur-fz5dwI totally agree, I am a neutral person to this conflict, i was interested to get a deeper understanding to this conflict. I felt Destiny answered adequate questions. And Norman was just on a deep rant about contemporary society. It feels like he loves to be in a castle up high in the sky. Where only the him called smartest people are allowed who have official degrees. It really speaks to his very narrow mind set of not accepting that people have other ways to reach enlightenment.

@@Arthur-fz5dw I’d take an actual qualified surgeon’s word on surgeries over anybody else, because of their authority, any day of the week.

@@muzzymikeonthemic9359 well, good for you but just so you know, this makes you a gullible person, easy to manipulate, and unable to think rationally, critically and independently 🤷‍♂️

I agree. I think, rhetorically, he's the best.

I agree!

I've been there for two hours and I didn't see him being interrupted at any time, unlike what happened with Destiny, for example. Still, I'm glad you're starting to like Rabbani, even though I don't share his opinions, instead of that oaf Finkelstein.

Obviously not

@@esplin1I’m guessing you’re a destiny fan? No one would want to hear him speak in this discussion except for his fanboys

He legitimately got on my nerves here. He's too much of an adderall induced femboy debate bro. He should never be in the proximity of historians ever again.

I was thinking that he popped an extra pill and most likely Americano in his hand.

So as soon as someone uses INTERNATIONAL LAW FACTS against "facts" he's annoying? I smell bias