Ilan Pappe:I hope for the end of Israel and the creation of free Palestine from the river to the sea 

Well-said, thanks. Pappe lives on this level of effectiveness because he has made his choice, knowing that fine-tooth historical research becomes either a careerist's cold museum-piece or an active part of unleashing the historical truth into present evolutionary learning and action, on behalf of the whole human community.

Yes, Professor Pappe is so important and badly needed. I disagree with him regarding Edward Said and Danny Baremboim but then Pappe is blinkered in his cylo and it's difficult to look over one's bucket into another bucket. I'm hoping that I can meet him and have an interesting conversation with him that may help both of us. In any case, Israel 🇮🇱 and Zionism is over, finished forevermore as the USA crashes and burns as all empires do. Democracy was never desired or even given a chance. It's sad that many more lives will be lost before the interloping group called "Israel" returns to their genetic DNA home back in Europe. The USA and the western democracies have totally lost the plot tge G7 is buried and impotent next to BRICS. We're all Palestinians now. Here's hard evidence we shouldall know: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SLpXztByenU.htmlsi=yaBeHzMtt59mfjZ6

You can either buy his book or the books he got his ideas from: Das Kapital and The Communist Manifesto!

​@@jaialaiwarriorHow do you know which books he read? What about the thousands of books you left out?

​@@jaialaiwarrior don't be silly! He simply wants justice for the Palestinians who have been ignored, victimised & abandoned for so long. Now run along to your troll factory..

You will never defeat the people of Israel.

@@boldrooster9799 except he does not believe in facts "I admit that my ideology influences my historical writings…I am not as interested in what happened as in how people see what’s happened. Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts.(“An Interview of Ilan Pappé,” Baudouin Loos, Le Soir [Bruxelles],Nov. 29, 1999) pap by name pap by nature

apartheid state of Israel ? May I suggest. that you read the book "Industry of Lies" by Ben Dror Yemin

We're supposed to think that ethnically cleansing Jews from Palestine is somehow moral, despite the fact that most we're born there? What a skewed view of morality.

Ameen Ameen Ameen

@@duras2000 He is well-known as an anti-Zionist and admired like other anti-Zionist Jews in Palestine. You don't know what you're talking about.

@@duras2000shows how much you know. Must be American. Always experts at every topic that comes to the front page news.

@@duras2000 Jews have survived among Muslims and in Muslim countries for hundreds of years escaping from Christians and they were okay to wear Star of David. I know this fact because Jews came to Uzbekistan and have been living there for hundreds of years as well. Google about Bukhara Jews for your knowledge.

Because it's so rare. a good Jew?

@@mikiafu Absolutely not! I follow other enlightened ones

@@anitarossi5871 but it's a very rare thing right, an enlightened Jew

@@mikiafu this is like thinking when someone says, “you look nice today” - means you look terrible every other day

​@@justsomecyborg788No, It is more like if you were told "You look nice", after going through hundreds of days being told by others that "you look awful".

Amin

@charlessmith-vh9cw the quote is what Ilan says in this video at the minute 23:40.

Clearly you are a fake

​@@mariafantappie8177Thank you❤

Fake comment is for charles Smith

@@mariafantappie8177 Thank you, Maria. The interesting thing is that I was writing the comment when I thought that the quote might have been from the video. I left my comment without clicking 'reply' to listen to the video for that quote. I then found your response. Somehow you were able to see my comment without my clicking 'reply'

A m0r0n who got kicked out of his university for fabricating historical data. Then, escaped to the UK to join a 3rd rate college in Devon. If he is so brilliant, why is he is a journalistic NOBODY ?

No, Pappe is a demmentted writer of historical fiction. A true loony tunes who urgently needs therapy in the asylum.

@@pslb-b3k yes. Sloppy and a liar. Is up front saying facts don't matter re palis

You love a well-established, Amas-supporting lunatik ?

​@@bluestar6879 Hot air

@@afreeworld2024 Listening to a lunatik makes you m0r0nic.

​@@bluestar6879 families of the hostages demonstrating in Tel Aviv against Netanyahu have been described by members of the Israeli government as Hamas. That puts your insult into some perspective.

​@@bluestar6879 as moronic as this man ? Moshe Dayan (Israeli war hero) "What cause have we to complain about their fierce hatred to us? For eight years now, they sit in their refugee camps in Gaza, and before their eyes we turn into our homestead the land and villages in which they and their forefathers have lived."

May I suggest that you read the Book "Industry of Lies" by Ben Dror Yemini

@@BirdOf1951Well when everybody can see the picture of Gaza today so clearly it is neither necessary nor relevant to read that book.

free Palestine from Islamists & Terror

Free the World of AIPAC and their sinister tentacles. Even in Spain we are suffering them. President Pedro Sánchez was clear about opposing endless war in Palestine supporting two states solution. But also asking for Law case for crimes and crimes against humanity done by the Israelian State. Now right wing party and far right ultras are trying to tumble a legit governement. Terrible. Besides, AIPAC had a powerfull hand on US through mister Kisinger. Pure venom. Thanks por letting us hear Ilan Pappe's vision.

Nope. Pappe is a total and complete historical joke. A walking encyclopedia of fraudulent lies, things he literally made up and blatant distortions. A loonatik who had shown any signs of violence towards others (or himsself) would have been locked up in an asylum for years.

May I suggest that you read the book "Industry of Lies" by Ben Dror Yemin

​@@BirdOf1951 'The Industry of Lies is one of the greatest frauds of recent decades - a fraud of historic, even epic, proportions. When almost half of all Europeans believe that Israel treats the Palestinians just like the Nazis treated the Jews..." Abebooks. The description fails to mention Jewish people and Jewish Israelis who think the same. Yeshayahu Leibowitz, a Zionist revered in his time. 'Almost 5 decades ago'......Yeshayahu Leibowitz, an Israeli sage like figure of his time wrote: "The Arabs would be the working people and the Jews the administrators, inspectors, officials, and police-mainly secret police. A state ruling a hostile population of 1.5 to 2 million foreigners would necessarily become a secret-police state, with all that this implies for education, free speech and democratic institutions. The corruption characteristic of every colonial regime would also prevail in the State of Israel. The administration would suppress Arab insurgency on the one hand and acquire Arab Quislings on the other. There is also good reason to fear that the Israel Defense Forces, which has been until now a people's army, would, as a result of being transformed into an army of occupation, degenerate, and its commanders, who will have become military governors, resemble their colleagues in other nations." He also thought Israel's conduct in the occupied territories was "Judeo-Nazi".

I am scared what you actually mean by creation of a free Palestine 🇵🇸

@@SusanKoech-ip1jk A Palestine without occupation. A sovereign state. Free from land and sea border controls imposed by the occupying govt and military. You say you are scared by a free Palestine. Could you clarify?

But bicycles are so important, !

Yes we are. After 100 years of à terrible oppression we have a very feeble light of hope for a Free Palestine 🇵🇸 May justice prevail No justice No peace

@@Kan09138 And now, we who care deeply about justice, are being threatened by the Heritage Foundation if we speak out about upcoming dictatorship. It seems that things are darkening all over.

For good or bad... the internet...

the centre of the world, your shabby shop for bicycles.

Because it knows full well and the entire world knows full well more than ever that the Zionist State of Israel is an illegitimate creation of a settler-colonial nature that belongs in the dustbin of history. How preposterous a 19th century settler colonial form of statehood existing in the 21st Century!

A great writer of fiction. He was convicted some 20 years ago for falsely claiming that former members of the Alexandri Brigade killed civilians in the Israeli War of Independence. The court concluded that your hero fabricated historical data.

And you are a "great" comedian

​@@MishaShvartsman Ami Ayalon, ex Shin Bet chief and an Admiral in the Israeli navy when asked some weeks ago what he would do if he were Palestinian replied he would fight for his freedom. When asked how dirty he would fight he raised an eyebrow, grimaced slightly, looked hard at the camera and said he would do whatever he thought necessary for his freedom.

@@MarcusCorbett Mr Ayalon is a far left, progressive tvvat. He and his cuckoo friends are largely responsible for October 7 tragedy. Hopefully, losers like Ayalon will soon be demoted.

@@MishaShvartsman Funny that Pappe came to the same conclusions as Avi Shlaim, Benny Morris (in his first book), Simha Flappan, etc. Or maybe not so funny, as all of them used the same source material: documents from the 1940s declassified in the 1970s. (Documents that Likud reclassified after they came to power. Makes one wonder what they're hiding...) Of course, I get that Zists would resort to the Ad Hominem Logical Fallacy to those who uncover facts challenging Hasbara myths.

Sure looks free

@@melborndontis2947 why not..life is test and God never breaks his promise, cruel people like you are not happy when Muslims lead the world 🙄🤨

@@melborndontis2947 why not,life is test and Allah never breaks his promise! people like you of course not happy when Muslim's people lead a world🙄🤨

@@Faiter.Re_Ri muslim women are never happy when muslim men lead a world.

@@Faiter.Re_Ri they will never lead the world. They bring death and destruction on a mass scale. Terrible leaders. Name 1 that leads the world.

yes. word brother

Of course, it was and still is an impertinent and unimportant question, Michael. The history of the planet for the last several hundred years of domination by the imperial countries of the Global North is the story of subjugation of the black, brown and yellow races by the white race. It is called racial capitalist impoerialism. At no point in the last more than one hundred years since the emergence of the Question of Palestine have our people ever been consulted about the fate of our Palestine. We have been seen as a nuisance or a pest that needs to be swept aside.

I don't think colonizers ever think of that. Just like they didn't ask themselves when they carved up South America, Africa, Asia, etc. It's their interests that matter and no one else's. Making money is more important than human life to them.

Well they are fine with fate of Palestinians just like they are with the fate of American Indians in North America.

The fakestinians never existed, They were only invented in 1970s.

@@rashidal-banna6082 This is a distortion of historical facts, a narrow-minded belief in eternal victimhood.

we all want the best for the Palestinian people but what do you mean by "from the river to the sea"? That phrase has been interpreted as wishing the destruction of the Israeli people (so best not to use it), and if you & others use it a lot it might be interpreted in that way by some (extreme) Israelis and lead to the (complete) destruction of the Palestinian people.

@@HistorymanDublin is just a citation of what Ilan says in this exact video, at the minute 23:40. Therefore, if you want to understand the meaning, just play attention to what Ilan says in this minute and in several others.

@@HistorymanDublin dont say this phrase because it makes israelis upset that u might want to abolish their ethnostate - but if you choose to use it, they will inevitably choose to genocide the palestinians! what reasonable sentiments 🤓☝️

​@@HistorymanDublinwhat we mean by free Palistine from the river Jordan to the Mediterranean sea is one state for all citizens with equal rights without the zionest agenda

@@mariafantappie8177 You're a fool you don't even have an answer

Me too.

May I suggest that you read the book "Industry of Lies" by Ben Dror Yemini

If it exists a industry of lies that is surely that created by Iarael. You can continue your dehumanized life easly, but i want to thank you for the suggest ( i will never follow it)

@@marcoallegrini2943 I feel sorry for you. You have a chance to educate yourself but you choose not to.

@@BirdOf1951 🤣🤣 thank you so much for your interest

He does not have any risk.

Very True

And if more than 50% palestinians did not support hamas jihadi ideology then current war would not have happened .....perhaps there could've also been a palestinian state by now if more than 50 % palestinians leaders chosen to accept many proposals for palestinian state but instead chose barbaric violence / sacrifice /martyr their children.....

@@mayashapira1130Blane the victim that has no other choice!

It was not only extended. It was moved 3 days prior from its origional location...no reason given.

@@katmag8 Yes you are right. Moved to place that is just 3 miles away from location where the attack was supposed to happen.

This is a distortion of historical facts, a narrow-minded belief in conspiracy myths. Hamas decided on its own genocidal attack and the murder of thousands

​@@katmag8i believe the former ambassador avi primor said that too

Yes❤

I agree, but it is the ruling elites, not the ordinary working people

That's a simplistic way to look at it. Sure, UK elites have done a great deal of damage when they were one of the world's super powers. But all super powers have that problem. It doesn't have to do with the region it is from, but with the structure itself. The Roman Empire, the Mongol Empire, USA, UK, all of them both brought great development and countless misery in their times. Sadly it's part of the game. What we have to do is look at these structures and do our best to improve them. Repudiation of the people that run these structures is a part of it, sure, as it contributes to healthier incentive context, but it is far from enough. War mentality assumes unpopular decisions are mandatory, whatever the price.

@@sangwaraumo check out the gator holes globally

@@allauddin732 Sigh, well, at least I tried.