I'm actually surprised a guy like Shapiro who runs through the Alphabet so easily wouldn't like a form of music which uses the highest amount of said Alphabet. If Ben was a rapper he would be better than eminem....Don't argue with me!
SOME (very little) rap is worth dignifying with case by case analysis. MOST rap is hedonistic and chauvinistic to a vomit inducing extent. I could be wrong about these quantities, but that has been my experience. The rap that isn't steeped in vulgarity is actually exceptional music and worth a listen.
Did a DW editor make a statement asserting that white people have a genetic predisposition to hate Jewish people ? If true, what will be done to correct this ?
That's how the best rappers are made trust me, I know one who makes others artist multi platinum and you'll be surprised how much he hates rap and he raps too.
I say FUCK PC culture. Yeah. And the more you bend over for that kind of stuff, the more they gonna fuck you in the ass ..and by that I mean stripping you from as much freedoms as possible. I've seen it in my country, I'm seeing this same bullshit in yours now.. COMMIE BULLSHIT THAT IS
@@nostrandholdings2324 if it was Trump, the news headlines would read, "Donald Trump Makes Anti-Semitic Remarks About A Classic and Beloved Christmas Song"
Or, Ben should collaborate with a rapper (Zuby would be a cool choice since they already met). They should make an album together using several bars of him playing the violin, and loop them along with the beats. Then, sample sound bites of Ben saying gangster shit, and loop them for the chorus and in between verse lines. Title the album, “Shapiro’s Hot Garbage”, title one track “Melody”, one track “Harmony” and one track “Rhythm”. And, you have to have a track titled “Thug Life”, too. Maybe one should be titled “Facts”, and a sample of Ben saying “my wife is a doctor” should be in the chorus. Let’s create a petition and make this shit happen.
@@AuroraAlchemy Ok you can be the producer... I want Ben to battle too. MF Doom and GZA are the two rappers who used more words than any other rappers by a mile. (Google it it's for real)... I think Ben would have a chance. Ben is a super lyrical rappers , he just doesn't know it.
LOL you dense? or just slow? he did claim in his original view that rap is not music, then the rapper convinced him otherwise. jeez man know facts before you spew them, or at least watch the whole video before taking into the comments.
tyrone loki bruh, that was the whole point of my original comment. I know he corrected himself because Zuby convinced him otherwise, still it was a stupid thing to say in the first place
This is not people getting offended by personal preference it is people arguing that rap is music and then Ben taking back his original statement and saying that yes it is music just not his preference..
BALD CAT And Rap isn't music, it doesn’t involve musicians playing an instrument and it’s just Lazy. I’m a drummer for over 35 years, I’ll outplay any DJ
In his opinion lol everyone getting so offended and making assumptions. If he had have said jazz isn’t music no one would have associated it with racism even though both were highly popularised by black Americans. White people are involved in both how is it racist? If he had have said punk rock isn’t music in his opinion no one would make assumptions or get offended.
Son there’s a difference between “I don’t like rap music. I don’t think it’s good” and “Rap isn’t music” Also people would’ve been at his throat if he said something about jazz or punk rock
@@lukesterification Think it's pretty clearly a joke. Question after question of political stuff and he follows up with a random music question. Whooosh
doubleAAbatteries689 have you not listened to rap ? You clearly. It’s on Spotify, Apple Music, sound cloud, pandora, ECT. Has a whole nomination section for the Grammys, not to mentions rappers have won Grammy out side of the rap section. It’s music bro, just cause it doesn’t appeal to you doesn’t make it not music.
It's very simple, he just wanted to avoid being called a racist because he does not like rap music. Because narrow-minded people and those who oppose him would make a statement that he is a racist because he does not like rap music. So in order not to make these statements against him, he stated that he likes jazz music and that this is also a historically black form of music but at a "quality level".
Ιs also a feature of intelligence. Being insightful. At that moment, he saw where his statement about rap music could go and how his opponents could use it to call him a racist and reduce his social image to the public. so he is thinking at that moment to mention jazz music so that his opponents do not make these statements against him. Βecause he knows how his opponents might think, he did so to refute his opponents' statements before they were even made.
Literally nobody called him racist for saying rap isn't music, the controversy was because he said some things about defining music which tons of experts in music theory debunked. The original question was simply does he still have that opinion, and Ben's message was that he saw the evidence and no longer thinks rap isn't music, although he still thinks its garbage. The only one who made it about race was the man asking the question and the comments of this video.
Everyone is encouraged and incentivized to play identity politics. EVERYONE ONE. The only ones that were not allowed are the white people of America.... that is starting to change.
@@themindofjonathan3686 I don't need to play Identity Politics. They can keep it and shove it squarely up their poopers. Which ever color, religion, nationality, political affiliation, demographic, etc. that pooper may be.
@@christopherjakel1049 thats what whites said and they stood by it for years....... Now you can get in to deeeeeep trouble in your university for putting up an it's ok to be white flyer. Minorities walk with pride and Whites are walking with guilt. Movements like this allow whites to gain pride in their identity, pride and self respect is in high demand now a days.
@@westonwheeler2311 You call them the dumbass but they said you have to have a low iq to understand it. Dipshit they are saying you have to be a fucking dumbass to understand the dog shit you call music.
There is when you argue that it objectively doesn't qualify as music based on criteria that you made up in your mind which Ben has and continues to do.
Nick Schweiss he used old-school criteria, nothing “made up”, and it’s his decision to accept different criterias that may differ from other people ones
@@xenon1541 "old school" criteria? Whatre you talking about? He said that music is made up of harmony, melody, and rhythm. If we were getting "old school" then he omitted at least 10 other charastics (timbre, texture, loudness), and even then he would be wrong since the principal difference between genres is to omit some of these things. Changing objective criteria to disqualify or discredit something isn't opinion, its called gate keeping and shifting the goal posts. That's exactly what he did.
@@tzvilevine4021 he didnt accept it he just said "I don't know too much about rap." He still dismisses it as "technically not music" and has been doing that for over 8 years.
Why are people mad tho. Its a purely subjective opinion, lmao, why do they need/want him to like rap so much. I love rap, but I don't need Ben to love it too.
@@idkman1195 I don't think it was q matter of him "needing" Ben to like it. Think he was looking for a "gotcha" moment and landed on his face. Hopefully it was all in jest, but frankly I've heard more absurd accusations from leftists.
Rap’s largely the worst genre out of all of them, though since the concepts of better or worse are subjective, it’s better to say: rap is the easiest and most basic genre out of all of them. That being said, saying that rap isn’t music is FOR SURE inflammatory. Especially because it’s easy to find rap that has melody and harmony. Stop pretending you don’t know what he’s saying lol. It’s annoying af when people do that, and usually it’s the left.
@Martha Sviniard And? Why isn't it ok that Ben doesn't recognize it as music? Which, if you were paying attention, he said that he's since been convinced that it IS a form of music.
@Martha Sviniard No, it's totally different. I personally don't like metal but I can say without a doubt it's a form of music. Let me.try and explain it with an analogy I don't like many foods that other cultures consider delicacies. However I wouldn't say that 'this isn't food', just because it doesn't conform with my eating habits Sure, I can say I don't like it, but I'll acknowledge it as food I don't like. In fact, the people who made it will respect me for giving them my honest opinion of their food. However, if I were to say 'this isn't food', or can't be considered food' that would be *extremely* insulting not only to the chef (the rapper, in our case) but to everyone who enjoys that food (rap fans)
Martha Sviniard No it’s not the same shit at all. Your logic is completely stupid. Just because one implies the other, does not mean they are logically equivalent. You can dislike something some music and still recognise as a piece of music. You rightwingers are pretty fucking dumb.
I’m so confused the guys never said “you’re racist” he just said “you think that rap music isn’t real music” so Ben saying that he’s not racist has nothing to do with it. Wtf
Did you even listen to what he said, people were trying to say before that he was racist because of him not liking rap? Of course it has to do with race?
What is an inflammatory about "rap is not music"? It's at its core just a different way to say that it's garbage. The inflammatory part comes from easily misconstruing that as "black music is not music" which is downright... I don't even have an adjective for this level of stupidity. So Ben Shapiro addressed the only inflammatory thing about that statement that he has heard or read in the media himself.
Once Ben has a few more years under his belt, the man has a cakewalk to the Presidency, if he wants it. NOBODY would take him down in Presidential debates!
This is true of most genres honestly. People hear stuff on the radio and assume it's the absolute best of the best because it's so popular. Of course this is never true, and is arguably the OPPOSITE of true in some genres, such as pop and rap. Things get popular because they are catchy and simple, not because of artistic brilliance, and every supposedly risky step of creativity taken by a popular artist has ALWAYS been previously tried by genuine innovators who recorded with crappy equipment in their bedroom, only out of a passion for creating. It's important that people learn this. There are powerful people in the music industry who play a part in controlling the culture, and one of their tools is art. In the age of the internet, it is easy to reclaim art by broadening your understanding of it.
@@2grene22 yes, all I'm saying is that there's more creativity, hard work, and complexity outside the mainstream. What's BEST is still a preference because it's ok to prefer simple music.
My ex's new boyfriend broke his arm, and I'm tempted to burst out laughing as they both walk by, and point at his arm. This is her third boyfriend since March.
@Sugma It's funny because she told me she admired how I don't act interested in any girls but her. But yet she was literally going to a restaurant with another guy, and I casually invited myself to hang out with them. lol It's all good. I'm confident that there is a soul mate for all of us out there. Just takes patience. In the meantime, enjoy life.
You have a very surface level understanding of hip hop when songs like Keep Ya Head Up, Brenda’s Got a Baby, Dear Mama, The Light, Baby Don’t Cry, Thugz Mansion (N.Y), U.N.I.T.Y, Brown Skin Lady, Black Girl Lost, Doo Wop (That Thing), Daughters by Nas exist. You can say anybody of any music genre has a mental problem, doesn’t make it a valid statement. Also there are many hip hop rappers who abstain from vulgar lyrics and earlier rap songs didn’t have any cursing in it either. Not to mention different sub genres like Gospel/Christian rap exist. When you have no idea on a subject it is easy to bash it and make invalid statements as you have no knowledge to speak on and rely on negative opinions with no base. I’m not writing this to you to make you enjoy the genre, as everyone has their taste, or send hate to you, but rather reevaluate your ways of thinking and accept it as its own beautiful thing even if it doesn’t float your boat.
@@synapse913 You say “exceptions” like I named 3. You mad a racist general comment and I responded not with vengeful ignorance but gave you an thorough response. One of your arguments are that it’s lousy music, when these are all a bunch of wonderful songs that bet you have not listened to other than 2 or 3.
Lol. The point at the end of the day is simply that it isn't his thing. It's like not being interested in a sport. One doesnt have to watch every game and try to understand it to decide it's not their taste...
I have tried listening to what some people have describe as some of the greatest works of rap, and I still don't like it lol. If you don't like tea, for instance, then even if you're served the most premium variety, you're still not going to like it. Ultimately, it's not a question of quality, it's a question of personal taste.
@@JADBeatssince when calling someone old is an insult? Even if he/she is then that person probably remembers the era when music had any meaning or at the very least wasn’t promoting degeneracy in human’s behaviour, unlike the stuff we have now.
@@thequant2817 There’s so much music that has meaning now, especially in rap music. You lot r just too lazy to look deeper than listening to a couple of mid trap songs, and bc of that u label the entire genre as trash.
You have a very surface level understanding of hip hop when songs like Keep Ya Head Up, Brenda’s Got a Baby, Dear Mama, The Light, Baby Don’t Cry, Thugz Mansion (N.Y), U.N.I.T.Y, Brown Skin Lady, Black Girl Lost, Doo Wop (That Thing), Daughters by Nas exist. You can say anybody of any music genre has a mental problem, doesn’t make it a valid statement. Also there are many hip hop rappers who abstain from vulgar lyrics and earlier rap songs didn’t have any cursing in it either. Not to mention different sub genres like Gospel/Christian rap exist. When you have no idea on a subject it is easy to bash it and make invalid statements as you have no knowledge to speak on and rely on negative opinions with no base. I’m not writing this to you to make you enjoy the genre, as everyone has their taste, or send hate to you, but rather reevaluate your ways of thinking and accept it as its own beautiful thing even if it doesn’t float your boat.
You realize you saying rap is bad doesn't mean anything, right? I could hate whatever music you listen to, but unless you listen to modern country, I won't insult your taste.
@@horselovercock6835 If we're talking rap I'd probably say from bottom to top A Tribe Called Quest, Kendrick Lamar, and MF DOOM. If we're talking music in general I'd say a mix of Victor Wooten, Vulfpeck, Wes Montgomery, Herbie Hancock, John Coltrane, some Arctic Monkeys, Queens of the Stone Age, and my guilty pleasure, Foo Fighters. I can't really pick a top 3.
@Patrick Dunning welcome to the anomaly to your false dichotomy - me. I have studied music from eastern swara to western scales. I love classical from many different styles, bhajan to baroque. I love metal and rock. I also happen to love rap and reggae, etc. Rap literally has all aspects of music, and is a deeply creative and healing expression for many, just as all art forms - music forms - can be. I find your inability to see beyond your own armchair fascinating, really. Disregarding an entire genre just because you can't feel it? Kekw... 👍
I'd glad he no longer says that rap isn't music. It was a garbage argument to say that music must have melody, rhythm, and harmony. A violin solo, for example, has melody and rhythm, but no harmony. Regardless, it's still music. I'm not a big fan of rap either, but to say that it's not music is ignorance.
@@vegapunk100 so much rap is mumble garbage rn though. It's understandable for someone to generalize it when even Slim is talking about how some of the most popular rappers are absolute trash
Im not a leftist by any means but how do you not understand that ppl wheren't upset about Ben not liking rap as a musical genre ppl where upset bc he literally refused to acknowledge that rap even was a musical genre
@@amandadle if you are talking to me then you dont know what you are talking about. In an serious interview some time ago Ben made it clear that he dosent consider rap a musical genre and constructed some arguments to back that claim up. This right here is just him reflecting on said interview, not the actual thing ppl where pissed about
Alexandru Christian Apostol Ben is too serious sometimes but he did admit he sees that rap is a music form. I just find it hilarious that he constructed a whole argument for that topic lol
“Inflammatory language” the dude said rap is garbage and you’re claiming he’s saying something inflammatory? Jesus Christ. We’re getting closer and closer to the point where you can’t even so much as dislike something black people like
I'd say it's inflammatory less because of any race issue but because he basically denounced an entire genre of music. There's a difference between saying "rap isn't music" and saying "I think rap is garbage". Personally, I dislike most modern rap, but only an idiot would denounce an entire genre of music because of personal taste. Shapiro lost the moment he tried to make music into an objective thing, as if there are specific requirements for something to be music. I could smack two rocks together rhythmically and it would be music.
@@adamgreen9548 im saying there was a bit of "letting the other person be right" mixed in there. Kinda like when you let your girl be right just to settle the argument.
He's entitled to like or dislike whatever music he wants. Usually though, you'll find gold nuggets in (almost) any musical genre. Ofc there are some subgenres in many genres that aren't serious or just plain stink.
He didn’t tho he suggested that rap literally isn’t even music which is just a stupid opinion which he treats and acts like it’s a fact when in fact it’s literally just his feelings which is super ironic since his entire career is in pretending too be logical
Mikael Tapoc hes still an a hole. He puts words in the kid’s mouth, making the crowd think the kid brought up racism. When in fact the kid never brought up anything to Do with race to begin with, Ben handled this very immaturely.
@@adjunctentobtuse721 some aspects are certainly, but this broad ass blanket statement generalization bullshit disrespects people who put effort, talent, and heart into their works.
Anyone suggesting that the only good rap is from the 90s is only displaying their ignorance of contemporary artists. There are tons of fantastic rappers and producers out there today, you just don't know about them.
Aaron David doesnt ben play a violin, with no chorus or singing? is that not music? You're an idiot that didnt even think before commenting. name me a rap song with that actually deosnt have melody, or rythym or temp or singing or chorus, you uptight prick!
@@Grants_jams what kind of musician? Haha because im a real musician with a publishing deal. Ofcourse i have. Very few are music only a few have made art
@@VortexMMA_ I dont listen to it. Thats the point I am making. Very VERY few rap songs have a point to the music. Thats why not one rap song has ever been influential to music as a whole. There have been influential rock songs, pop, folk, even indie songs. But rap has NEVER made mainstream where ALL enjoyed it. Proof....even metal heads enjoy say Micheal Jackson. Why? Cause he influenced music. Madonna...Same deal. Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, Nirvana, and so on. No rap artist has ever gained that type of stardom to transcend into different music genres. This is fact.
Typical fool! Maybe if you and the rest of the know it alls would have actually listened to Rap Music, you could have prevented the George Floyd uprising. Back in the 80s Black people were telling America what cops were doing to them. With Public Enemy and song like The sound of the Beast by KRS One! But you geniuses still think Rap isn't music. You people are dumb as f*ck
@@willwright2099 George Floyd was a thug and will be remembered as a drug dealing, drug using, house invading criminal. If you glorify criminals you've proven exactly why rap music is the devils music.
Rap is short for crap. Adding in singers or samples with a melody in it still doesn't make it music. It's more like spoken word to a beat. It is also like the family dog taking a dump on the living room rug.
Why couldn't spoken word to a beat be considered music though? Would you consider a percussion group to be people who make music? The spoken words can also have tonality to them, even if it isn't what you would traditionally consider "melodic"
songs like Keep Ya Head Up, Brenda’s Got a Baby, Dear Mama, The Light, Baby Don’t Cry, Thugz Mansion (N.Y), U.N.I.T.Y, Brown Skin Lady, Black Girl Lost, Doo Wop (That Thing), Daughters by Nas exist. You can say anybody of any music genre has a mental problem, doesn’t make it a valid statement. Also there are many hip hop rappers who abstain from vulgar lyrics and earlier rap songs didn’t have any cursing in it either. Not to mention different sub genres like Gospel/Christian rap exist. When you have no idea on a subject it is easy to bash it and make invalid statements as you have no knowledge to speak on and rely on negative opinions with no base. I’m not writing this to you to make you enjoy the genre, as everyone has their taste, or send hate to you, but rather reevaluate your ways of thinking and accept it as its own beautiful thing even if it doesn’t float your boat.
@@raresabraleaks8216 He said he agreed that it was music after listening to the point of view of a rapper but he still doesn't like it mostly because he grew up playing classical music
yes, and in any other case it would not matter, like for you and me, because no one cares about our musical taste..but for a controversial public figure like ben, its different, specially if the headline says Ben Shapiro says "Rap is not music". So kudos to the kid for giving ben a chance to clarify things.
Not really, rap samples jazz, rock, pop, soul and even soundtracks, so that automatically makes it melodic. I also like rock and jazz, especially 60s psychedelic rock but that doesn't stop me from enjoying rap music. You just haven't done a proper research on it, I can show you so many rap songs that literally sounds like orchestral compositions, you'll be amazed
It's not even how ridiculous it is... That entire genre, the culture, the people are all trash. No class, derogatory, violence inducing... it's literally the music of the modern day peasants.
Bra... you just listened to the wrong rap songs, you missed R&B, you missed pop-rap, gospel rap too, you might've just been listening to Trap or gang rap
Metal has lots of guitar melody , it follows the rhythm of drums, and it has powerful singers capable of singing, screaming, and rapping. metal is total music.
Metal is the minority of the mainstream songs While the majority is rap and hiphop Metal follows rhythm and melodies, I dislike rap because of personal preference
@Silmarrillion the evidence is absolutely against you. Violent Hip Hop doesn't become the dominant strain of Hip Hop until inner city violence has already peaked in the early 90's; and its current predominance in Rap music has corresponded to nationwide declines in murder and crime rates. See Shapiros discussions in other contexts about how to identify causation. A cause should precede the thing that it is supposedly responsible for , and should definitely not persist after the effect begins to disappear.
@@ep4442 I like jazz, rap, rock, almost all types of music but pop and country. It's pretty pathetic to insult someone on the type of music they personally enjoy.
The kid basically said that he was there because he's offended at shapiros opinion and will now "give" shapiro a "chance" to take back his own opinion ....... because kid didn't like it..... With confidence too. Awwww maaaan haha. Fuck .
yeah but this garbage is everywhere. being blared from car stereos 24/7 etc i am sick of it. these people think that everyone wants to listen to their crap, low class music
@@xHe11houndx Have you ever listened to it? Like really tried to listen to it with an open mind? Do you not think that there must be something to this kind of music if millions of people around the world listen to it and are diehard fans? Do you not think there must be something to it if MTV used to play it all the time in the 90's? Also, do you understand the insane skill that is typically required to play the guitar and drum parts to this style of music?
Rap is a form of music. To say it isn't is extremely bigoted and a harsh generalization. There are rappers that with music that is layered and nuanced.
@@isodoubIet i think you are over generalizing rap, not all rap is that mumble or guys just spewing shit, some have real musical value, I can give some examples from mainstream rappers if you would like also
Love how he built the strawman of "people think I'm racist cause I don't like rap". Literally nobody said that. They just think you're stupid for saying you thought it wasn't music. Nobody would've cared if all you said was you don't like rap
Give me names of those gems that your saying! Looking for good rap music, not garbage. I’m currently listening to classic rock. I would like to change it up a little.
@@TheNando1 Try Dance with the devil by immortal technique, power by Kanye West, Dear mama by Tupac, I'm not racist by Joyner Lucas, and Swimming Pools by Kendrick Lamar. Also while rap is very socially liberal, it does often talk about rags to riches which I'm surprised conservatives don't appreciate enough. As much as I dislike Tomi Lahren, her liking rap makes sense with her capitalist outlook.
@@TheNando1 If you want albums here; Good Kid M.a.a.d City, To Pimp a Butterfly, 2014 Forest Hill Drive, Take Care, College Dropout or Literally any Kanye West album.
*_*_** some good rappers that have good lyrics, flow and talent are these. Kendrick Lamar, earl sweatshirt, tupac, mf doom, tyler the creator, j cole, frank ocean, and denzel curry
That’s crazy that he calls it garbage when music is a personal preference, I’d most likely think whatever lame ass music he listens to is garbage as well...
