You think at first he's not going to go through with the break up - he collapses to his knees for her and it reveals her power over him, but she turns him into a weakened man which he cannot abide by, despite his aching love for her. But he can't even bear looking at her straight when he first does it. He can only face her through the mirror then he turns to the window. For the first time, he realises he's causing real pain. Sure, he's played the game before but it's never backfired like this. It's a devastating scene. He knows he's breaking up with her but he's also breaking up with his own heart, something he thought he had no use for.
John Malkovich aka Valmont said it 9 times in 3 mins,what can we expect what we will do?we will keep saying it or watching it... It's Beyond My Control (My mind is keeping echoing his voice and playing the song...)
I agree. He has a quiet unsuspecting way of seduction. His character is like a hot stove, you know it will burn you if you touch it but yet you want to.
This film was shot in six weeks, which is a fraction of the time most shootings take, which makes the career-best quality of the performances and the film overall an astonishing feat.
That's an amazingly short time for a film like this. An independent film, sure, but you wouldn't expect this from a film with these actors and such grand settings.
With a talented cast of this calibre , do you need more takes ? The call for this level of emotion is exhausting . You'd want to capture the scene and CUT
He was torn between his ego and the need for control and his true feelings for Tourvel and a deeper hidden need to love someone honestly. The Marquise de Merteuil saw that he loved this woman and she wanted to see how far he would go to deny his true self. He went all the way and the woman he loved about ended up dead because of it.
He did what he would later regret, even though he knew it was hurting him even then. He left the woman he fell in love with to die to be with another woman. And he died before he could reach his goal. The love of a bad person is like this...
It's more than that, Merteuil was planning to destroy his already tarnished reputation, especially given how he impregnated Cecile. Valmont, whose livelihood and confidence was built on his womanizing didn't want to be weakened by one person, so pride got in the way.
How can someone be so blind to what they are feeling? These schemers seem only interested in the game, but Valmont seriously thinks Glenn Close's character is the one for him? I never really knew what they are truly feeling about each other
@@lepetitchat123. Tourvel and Valmont shared similar interests. They manipulated people for power and amusement. That's what made them amuse each other. They felt excited when their egos were fed after successfully manipulating others. Valmomt felt sexual tension for Tourvel. Tourvel felt amused when toying with Valmont.
The actors in this movie were absolutely perfect in their respective roles. John Malkovitch, Glenn Close, Michelle Pfeiffer and a very young Uma Thurman. It is one of my favorite movies of all time. I was completely infatuated with Malkovitch, like the other 3 women in this movie. The settings, the music, the costumes, ... everything was perfect!
I first watched this with the tender heart of a girl. Now I'm grown & this scene hits completely different. I'm still devastated for her...but...it really was inevitable. Beyond control. Like the scorpion stinging the mouse, yes they will both drown now instead of crossing the river, but it was the scorpion's nature. Could not be helped. Say it with me. Beyond control. It was as much her nature to love him, as it was his to destroy both their hearts. Such wonderful craft. Ache in my chest💔🥀
A interesting analogy I never thought of. I think the original fable involved a frog instead of a mouse. Regardless, in some ways, Valmont has the fable's scorpion's traits.
Malkovich was so cruel, so sadistic, and so cold blooded in this scene. It curls my blood. But I've met men like this before in real life. It's better not to have a heart. Then be trampled like this by anyone. Awful.
It's important to know that "It's beyond my control" originated with the vicious Mme Merteuil who suggested that Valmont's reputation for being a rake ( playboy)was at stake because of his attachment to Mme de Tourvel.
@@kachi2782 Your idiocy is insufferable. Good thing you have a PhD though, right? 😆 It's just as Mdme. said to Valmont..."intellectuals" are the most stupid people out there.
@@jenniferraymond9766 Getting a PhD doesn't make you an intellectual it makes you educated, intellectuals are the ones mistakenly assuming to possess a naturally highly developed intellect, therefore presuming to know better than others which makes then inherently stupid, and has nothing to do with degrees and higher education. In fact intellectuals are the opposite of erudites so you might want to report indeed that comment of yours as well as Madame de Merteuil's quote to yourself Jennifer. Ah,.... Madame de Volanges ! Jennifer Raymond 1 hour ago @Ka Chi Your idiocy is insufferable. Good thing you have a PhD though, right? 😆 It's just as Mdme. said to Valmont..."intellectuals" are the most stupid people out there/
@@kachi2782 just because some people are gullible doesn’t mean that betrayal doesn’t exist just like gullibility doesn’t mean that narcissism doesn’t exist
@@jrmetmoi Betrayal can not happen without trust ? Trust is a form of gullibility. Narcissism is not exactly a bad thing you know. I would rather date a narcissist than a person with no self esteem. I prefer people who love themselves than people who hate themselves.
I've had men be this cold to me during the course of my young life (I'm older now). Each and every time they begged me back later on when they realized what a mistake they had made. I always spit in their faces. moving on a forward was always the best decision I ever made for myself. I got better and stronger every time I walked away from a narcissist and triumphed over their small, hateful little ways. They are weak cowards.
it's the motion towards the knob at the end of this scene that gets me. he was so close to making the right decision, but of course he was always going to continue in his participation of the world's most interesting game, the competition between him and his equal.
Omg, the door knob, I never noticed it before! But it’s true that in this scene the focus is on Tourvel’s suffering but his agony and anguish is visible in every gesture, word and facial expression. Magnificently done!
@@kachi2782 he’s still a narcissist and she’s still in love with him ,2 things can be true at the same time you are aware right ? Yes I did watch the whole film did you ?
IMO, "It's beyond my control" is a sentence that expresses more accurately what's going on in the story at that very moment than the original sentence "Ce n'est pas ma faute" (It's not my fault). The original one reveals one's character tendency to deflect blame toward someone else. Here, it reveals one's character unability to ward off mind games.
In his next life, Valmont was an HR director for a multinational corporation. No employee he fired or laid off took it well, but it was beyond his control.
They don’t do movies like this anymore. Where you enjoyed it and can analyse how deep all emotions and details run. the screenwriting, the lighting, sound, the storytelling of the directors and the actors all in perfect synchronicity. Before I would never stop watching a movie even if I didn’t like it. Now… 30 mins in, and I left them. Same plot over and over again
Madame de Tourvel is too innocent and of good character to understand the motivation of cruel people.And men and women will be together with their partners for some time and dump them for someone else.
It would have been better if she had not entered the relationship with Valmont ...at all...she was unfaithful to her husband and in the relationship with Valmont,Valmont lied to Tourvel,betrayed her with other women ....it was marked in the beginning that the relationship between them would become unhappy ...and not work out.
God this scene was horrible. I don’t care if he was pressured to break it off with her.. He didn’t have to be a total and complete animal about it. And Michelle’s character was so sprung by him that she still loved him even after all this happened. I have seen women get near-murdered by their partners and still run back to them at the next chance. Fuck lust and fuck love too.
@@syrnvalaekar Right! That's why he doesn't look at her at first. The sentence itself has so many layers. Not only was it originally from Mme de Merteuil, but it gains a new meaning every time he says it, tinted with Mme de Tourvel's reactions: the break-up is not in his control, the situation is no longer in his control, his feelings for her are not in his control, her reactions are no longer in his control, her feelings for him are no longer in his control, his reputation, pride, his relationship with Merteuil, nothing is in his control anymore at this point. Maybe is it even a boomerang line foreshadowing the demise of Mme de Merteuil at the end: the other people are not in her control anymore, and she suffers from her own pride and cruelty, not having an "honorable" death like Valmont's, but having a worse sentence still: shame.
He wasn’t crazy or repeating the phrase without intent. He was saying it based on what Glenn Close’s character told him about a friend of hers. He is saying it more to himself than to Michelle, to remind himself not to back off one inch, to just keep sticking the knife in even though he knows he is killing her.
I went to see this at the cinema when it opened(3 times) Totally fell in love with John Malkovich, even though totally vile in this film. Made me remember when i saw Schindler's List, and i fell in love with Ralph Fiennes. I am starting to worry about my taste in men....!
While Ralph Fiennes is attractive; I found him utterly repellent in Schindler's List. He even put on weight for the part to make himself look less physically appealing.. Malkovich was an effective baddie in this but more at the f**kboy level..
I hate that the movie somehow "redeems" him even if it is through his death. He is a vile rapist. He is just like Merteuil, but unlike her, he has the power to do what he wants without consequences. That is part of what Merteuill hates in that society.
He was being controlled. So he was speaking the truth. This was beyond his control. Only death was within his control. An opportunity rarely granted to mortals
My narcissist boyfriend did the same thing g to me after four months of a former relationship a d 4 years of on and off encounters quiet heart breaking g when u understand and and hear them say the same words and if centuries and many lives all narcissists receive the same dialogue lines intheur heads
Yes -his feelings are also out of his control and that is why he allows the young man to kill him at the end. The only winner is the Marquise Isabelle - even she gets hers though...
I deserve to be able to complete my destiny single! While my person sits in the muck from the side lines to watch in misery! Sit in the muck you choose over me. My justice would be so great that way. I’ve been hurt over and over for months and even years before this. Im over it. Please universe that’s what I want for my justice!!! 🙏💫✨❤️
Qu'elle cruauté envers cette femme naïve qui a été harcelée puis une fois consommée il l'a jetée.... il lui dit "ce n'est pas ma faute"... alors elle va se laisser mourir de chagrin et d'amour. ... mais lui va réaliser trop tard qu'il l'aime... c'est tragique cette histoire... surtout que lui aussi va mourir pour elle. ... l'amour est un jeu dangereux. 🧐
Very well written of all evil difficult toxic emotions in human beings good versus evil truths all of these exist within human beings surfacing whenever they get ignited
I slightly disagree with "beyond my control" being a nicer way of saying "I can't help it". The latter suggests a vague/and or complex mental situation the character doesn't really understand. The former suggests a situation in which he's well aware he has been manipulated by someone else, and realize too late the harm he has done.
@kextrz maybe, in the context of the situation on the video. It's said by someone who clearly knows the harm he is inflicting. But in general, I don't know. You seldom hear people say "it's beyond my control".
