It's bad 4 everyone say he had not given it, ten hag would not be sacked and all fans would be happy with utd in 14th now they could get a good manager in and we might all be in trouble
@@Dave-nq6uy are you blind what you mean handball the ball was controlled by he’s arm, had it been the other way around this fan base will all be screaming handball
@@joevj76 Agreed. Look at how Taylor waved away the complaint of the Arsenal players after Nunez kicked the ball away and compare that to Trossard’s sending off. The pundits said Arsenal were not set so there was no delay yet against City Brrnardo Silva was on the floor and City were not set either to take a quick free kick.
there's nothing unfortunate about this ... they were bought a long time ago ... Handball vs Everton, Kovacic red vs Arsenal, offside goal vs Fulham, Penalty vs Liverpool, Penalty vs Chelsea ... and these are just the obvious ones ... Micheal Oliver did not issue a red card to City ... ever .. and he reffed them 47 times ...
Our complains about the refs robbing us points are correctly justified as they have already costed us 6-7 points this season. Rice was never a red trossard was never a red and antony taylor blew the whistle early for our clear 3rd goal while he could've easily waited as that was never a foul. You cannot win titles if the refs constantly cost you so many points. We will complain about the refs until they sort it out and stop cheating us of points. We've dropped points not bcoz of the managers tactics or anything it's just bcoz of incompetent cheating refs simple as that.
I’m also confused about a game you won this year. Spurs v Arsenal. Your winning goal came from a push in the back in Romero but you aren’t counting that one. Strange that
@@saaamyk The problem with Arsenal getting two reds for kicking the ball away is that more often than not, refs haven’t been giving yellows for it. I’ve counted five incidents against Arsenal that haven’t been carded and only 2 that were carded
It was a very bad look that he didn't blow the whistle, then when he sees Havertz about to score, he then blows the whistle. This is one of the Many, Many reasons us Arsenal fans think that maybe we are witnessing an "agenda" involving some referees, VAR and PGMOL !! It sounds insane I know, but it just keeps happening week in and week out.
It’s time refs were made to come out and be interviewed after games just like players and managers. That would tidy up 90% of these “mistakes” fairly sharpish.
You guys are weirdly ignoring that Haevertz handballed it, and then bundled Trent into the goal…there were two other fouls before the ball was put in the net!
That's their normal routine every season making sure that they Robb arsenal 6 or 7 points and that would be a big difference, remember last season points against Aston villa and arsenal first leg ball going out of play the entire ball and it was given the VAR said there wasn't a clear angle to determine whether the ball was all out of play or not very stupid i hate it.
I didn’t hear Arsenal fans complain about the referee when he let odergaard off with a blatant handball at anfield last season.. add that to the spurs and Man City decisions that also went against Liverpool. I thought for the disallowed Arsenal goal the player jumped into the back of szobozslai and his legs were very high making it a foul which the ref blew for quite quickly. Havertz also pushed Trent in the back before the ball went in the net.. this was also a foul. But the referee blew for the first one. Call it harsh, but it wasn’t as obvious as odergaards handball and you guys benefited from that.
Can anyone explain how a Liverpool supporter that can’t officiate Everton games is allowed on VAR for Arsenal games? I’m not interested in any trolls you get 0️⃣ air time, 🗣️ to yourselves because you’re ⛽️💡 ain’t working over here. Good show as usual panel COYG
Also I will say even the decision we got from the Califiroi foul recently was also based on reparations for all the bonehead decision. He was a fine ref that day.
Still Havertz fouled Trent right on the goal post. All our defenders stopped attacking because the whistle blew.. I dont know what Arsenal is moaning about. They wasted time same way they played against City.. Then City equalised. Same with our game. They wasted so much time until we equalised all a sudden they wanted to play the game.. crazyy
Clive knows how to insult someone so badly but make it sound nice... "this ref lacked wisdom and football knowledge aka the guy is a coward and stupid"
Arsenal against the wall with every one against them. If they are real challengers they should never let anyone back in a game at home. They gave up the lead twice!
Football world has gone mad, how is this even a talking point? At no point would a goal have been awarded, everyone knows it would have been overturned by VAR anyway so why is this being talked about? There is no injustice, there where 3 fouls and a handball in the building up the ref blew his whistle for the first foul get over it.
the issue was he saw a none foul, waited a few seconds to see the ball bouncing in Arsenal's favour, then blows.. that looks dodgy and when considering all the other decisions, Arsenal fans have a right be whiny and feel victimised
You're discussing as if he(they) the refs doesn't understand the game. They know more than we do. They're doing it deliberately. He was controlling the goal processing perfectly. He was just waiting Liverpool to defending it. He saw it was not the case he blew up. If he knew if he interfered VAR wouldn't involve for more controversy. He didn't want give the corner too. I'm sure they are involved in some sort of gambling, match fix anything
Bloody hell, Arsenal fans crying again, Odegaard played basketball in the penalty area at Anfield and the ref didn’t give Liverpool a penalty, Arsenal got free kicks they shouldn’t have at other grounds too, stop whinging and being so biased you fools
It’s been given. Thats not why you don’t win the game. Facts. You didn’t have the gumption to go forward and win the game. That’s why you lot hate Roy Keane cos he’s called you out for being negative.
i just feel this programme has brought out our far cry as EPL fans. Its a disgrace watching EPL games due to quality of the referees. We feel some teams are protected and others are being victimized. OMG, watch Champions league and La Liga, you won't feel referee's influence in the match....
That was straight out cheating if it happens once we let it go but it's become consistent on arsenal. He knew exactly what he was doing he blew the whistle knowing full well Havertz through on goal and scoring it would be pulled back. Fact.
The problem here is everyone saying what about this incident what about that incident you got away with stop with this tribalism bulls£it it all boils down to not good enough refereeing and the refs association love it that us fans back them as it’s not our team it’s against but the problem is it’s only a matter of weeks before your team get a horrendous decision and you complain and it goes around in circles after circle with the refs getting away with it
They did severally. The discussion is a valid one. By blowing AT made sure VAR couldnt get involved, and the timing of the whistle is just when Havertz is on goal.
If arsenal and rest of the prem had of stood with klopp few years back and call this out it might not be happening to Ur club now but your manager did not and backed the pgmol now Ur club is paying the price like pool did
Bent watched it so many times yet didn't notice that Taylor picks up his whistle and blows only after he sees the ball touches Havertz's arm in the initial duel... He could've let it go on and VAR would've dissallowed it, but he didn't have to, it was a handball
@@pspals6972 it's low enough for it to be handball. watching it back now, best angle is from behind the goal. he might even be blowing for Havertz' elbow in Kontate's face
@@ErlendFlatinit hits him above the level of the sleeve. That is not handball. Look it up. There was no foul no elbow at all, there was no handball. And the delay in closing the whistle was odd too. I’d love to hear Webb explain this.
@@dre22 handball or elbow, they are both pretty clear, and if you just actually look at the replay you can clearly see that it is the Havertz/Konate duel that he blows his whistle for
If you ain't an Arsenal fun,bug off! You just be blind if you don't see inconsistencies in the refs decisions! What about the man u hand ball! They were denied a penalty!! I ain't got to hate to see reason! What's happening in the league is just crazy! Fairness should be part of the game! Not mindless decisions that are costing some teams! Stop with the Arsenal hate! It's pathetic! We supposed to keep quite when we are been screwed over week after week,are you people serious!!
@29memyselfandi yap,..people think we are just yapping out here! But since Arteta called out the refs about unfairness last season,it's been mediocre decisions over and over,and it's just frustrating,coupled with the injuries! I don't even know how this dude's are managing to get positive results coz it's disheartening
@@felixmaina1251 All of those decisions can add up to five or six points over a season- the difference between yous winning the league or coming second. City NEVER have a bad decision. That Man United penalty at the weekend is a disgrace. My team, Forest, have had a load of shockers over the last two seasons. Wolves have had multiple shockers. None of us mind referees getting tight decisions wrong but a few clubs seem to get bizarre decisions going against them that really make you wonder is it incompetence or deliberate sabotage.
@29memyselfandi I really think this is deliberate! Ain't no way all these biased decisions keep on happening,and fun think is some of these refs are rival teams supporters! How they reffing if they support the opponents,and some allegedly have side gigs with city,reffing in Saudi league,earning 20,000£ per game,and that's a conflict of interest,coz ain't no way they will go against city their part time employer!?? So how does the EPL/PGMOL allowing these refs to officiate games whilelse there's a clear conflict of interest!! It's no wonder all these biased decisions keep on happening,even after the refs make silly but costly mistakes,ain't nothing happening to them,they just skate free! And I feel it a worthy compromise for the refs,they keep on earning on their side gigs and the EPL,funs make noise for a few days then it's over...and the funny thing's even the coaches ain't allowed to critise the boneheaded decisions! Remember Arteta getting fined??! So how are they supposed to be held accountable if even their decisions aren't supposed to be questioned??!!
These guys are ridiculous. First, Var should not referee the game, then they are not allowed to intervene in this situation, then allow it to go on, and then intervene into a situation, Var are not allowed to intervene in. Make up your minds guys! The ref made a call according to how he saw it, that is his job, afterall, correct! The only thing that is fanning the flames of injustice is Arteta playing hide and seek with his players. Childish. Time to get a grip!
if we count havertz goal than the whole point their victim mentality started is void bcos in that brentford game brentford had an even lesser foul called and whistle blowed as the ball was bout to go in and that was the game with the lines that started all this arsenal have complained soo much they have started to eat their own tail
Since Arteta called the PGMOL a “disgrace” after they allowed Newcastle’s winner to stand at St James Park last season Arsenal HAVE been getting worse treatment from these officials! Like WTF & FFS they NEED to do their jobs FAIRLY & PROPERLY without being biased!!! The ref disallowed our third goal last Sunday against Liverpool at home which was the winner for NOTHING there was no foul??!! Officials bumped us again ON PURPOSE! 🤬🥵🤢 Konate did foul Martinelli so a penalty SHOULD have been given, why wasn’t it? As Konate DID NOT win the ball with his feet, instead he went through Martinelli trying to get the ball & just brushed it with his thigh! Yet footballers are supposed to win the ball with their FEET or head! The ref DIDN’T want Arsenal to win AT ALL, look for yourself at what the ref did when he realised Arsenal were going to score our 3rd goal, the winner! He disallowed the goal for a foul that DID NOT even happen! According to that CHEATING ref Kiwor fouled Szoboszlai when he won the header that lead to our 3rd goal???!!! But it WASN’T even a foul AT ALL, that’s why neither Szoboszlai himself or ANY of his team mates complained to the ref! Watch for yourself & see, there’s been an evil agenda against Arsenal from the FA, PGMOL & ALL their employees for MANY years! That’s the TRUTH 💯 BILLION% since Wenger days. 🤢🤮🤯
I am gonna say it. ARESENAL IS NOT IMPORTANT OR BIG ENOUGH OF A CLUB TO HAVE AN AGENDA AGAINST. 0 European trophies still btw. Stop this nonsense. It's arsenal, they don't need refs to never accomplish anything of significance. They can do that on their own. Also, Havertzt handball but they not talking bout that one cus refs hate the "mighty and accomplished" Arsenal.
Just to correct your ignorance Arsenal have 2 European trophies actually, The cup winners cup in 94 by beating Parma consisting of an incredible front 3 of Zola, Asprilla & Brolin & the fairs cup in 1970, which became the EUFA cup a few years later. Get your facts right!
@@devonblackwood1713 not really, it's totally in this topic as it involves the same team. Your team have a victim mentality and more than happy to look the other way when they get decisions.
Saying he lacked courage. In fact he showed massive courage to blow when he knew what may come his way by not leaning on VAR. Arsenal fans always coming up with excuses. It’s like they have an excuse for every situation. And then saying this ref has zero knowledge of football but we need to listen to a you tube cun*
What have I just listened to. There were potentially 3 fouls and a handball in the build up to the disallowed goal. The penalty shout, konate won the ball. The Arsenal fans scream that odegaard was falling over when he decided to play basketball in the area last year. Talk about blinkered.
Its the same thing they talking about, incompetent referring, it's ruining the game. As fans, we need to be realistic and transparent and call out the injustices in the game for the good of the game for all.
Every game you Arsenal fans drop points in this season you're crying about refs. It's getting boring to listen to now. Your manager doesn't help, cos he starts the bitching immediately in his press-conferences. No accountability
@@devonblackwood1713 I'm interested in human psychology, from ALL football fans. I'm especially noticing a large percentage of ALL football fans that lack the Accountability aspect of looking in the mirror. Something that happens every time your Football Club drop points, It's the ref's fault. Does this happen with you individually as well in your personal life mate. Do you accept accountability yourself when you make mistakes?
@@kevinborland2090I’m noticing a large percentage of football fans who are very biased and can’t view things objectively. Most of our games our players have done something stupid and have given the refs a chance to change the game with a decision, it’s not about the refs always making wrong decisions against Arsenal it’s about CONSISTENCY.
The refs are not against us. We need to support the refs. Give them the best hospitality when they arrive at the stadium. When we do this, we'll see more decisions will go our way.
No foul 😂 elbow in konates face handball and then Trent get flung into to goal..😂 Give over with this shite it was the correct call.. players had stopped playing 😂
VArsenal second goal was offside, var helped you. You lost because you parked the bus at half time and tried to time waste instead of trying to finish the game off
