"It Wasn't Poison... It Was An Accident!" | E06 E22 | Law & Order 

Exactly.

Nah this is what happens when men are selfish. They go off and start a new family, and forget they have other children. His mother has all the right to be angry. She’s part of the first wives club.

@@melanieberthelo9582did you miss this episode? The mothers vitriol clearly influenced the son. There’s a duty to not constantly demonize your ex partner to your child, they don’t want to hear that.

​@@melanieberthelo9582Loser

​@@TheHolyVindicateThank you

And, oddly, he did his younger brother a favor. His parents were never around anyway. He was going to be raised by the maid and the au pair. If you don't have time to spend with your kids, why even have them at all?

@@katherynemero4118 Killing someone is doing them a favor? For a person who’s dying of cancer maybe, but a healthy baby that’s less than a year old? That baby was unaware of what was going on. Sure his parents could have been around more but he wasn’t being mistreated. At least the baby was being taken care of. I know parents who won’t even give their kids attention, let alone hire a sitter. Killing that baby wasn’t a favor, it was cruelty.

​​@@katherynemero4118 People can end up living happy lives even if they were neglected emotionally by their parents during childhood. But I get your point. It's just that one's parents aren't everything in life and I personally prefered my indepence when I was little.

@@katherynemero4118 faming the nanny was a good favor ?

​@@katherynemero4118 How is killing his baby brother a favour he killed his brother because he was jealous and nothing else plus there are a lot of children who are raised by nannies and au pairs who turn out to be productive, stable and well-adjusted members of society.

I love how the DA basically told her that they intentionally set up the kid to admit he murdered his brother. That was the best way for the truth to come out and find the nanny innocent.

I LOVED HER!!!!!

the great Patti LuPone! Broadway star and force of nature

And she isn't sleezy like the majority of them

Yeah but she was not that innocent why nurse à baby if you can't keep up with the crying. It was clearly overbearing for her and that's, why could have easily poison the baby.

Same 😂 I was like it’s him. He’s jealous of the baby. Scooby Doo trained me. It was still an entertaining watch though cause I didn’t know for sure

Reminds me of that paris boy

You might subconsciously be noticing writer and directors filmmaking patterns. They normally have a rough formula of how they introduce the "killer" often they appear as an innocent bystander. The ex wife would have been too obvious. So it was a toss up between the nanny and the son.

@@paulg903 but the nanny became the prime suspect and 9/10 times theres a plot twist so everything points at the other son, the question now being 'how' rather than 'why'

YES!!

That tells me he wanted to get caught most killers always want to get caught but some don't want to

​@@wilsonfilms7641Why would a killer wanna get caught?

@@kyndrablankenship1758 have you ever read the book stephen kings it in the box patrick hockstetter killed his brother out of jealously and Henry Evans was a sadistic psychopath he killed his baby brother Richard in the bathtub and took his rubber duck until his mom finds it in the shed

@@kyndrablankenship1758 because either they feel bad for what they done or they did it out of Revenge in case the teen did it out of revenge from his father who left him and his mom for someone else when he is caught by the attorney he confessed what he did his father was so angry 😡 almost wanting to kill him

The second he talked about the stroller on the stairs. I called bullshit.

What do you expect the mother to feel. 24 years of marriage & leaving ur wife & kid behind. That's no excuse for murder though. That's life. The kid obviously took matters in to his own hands. Very tragic for the mother she lost a husband and her grown son.

I also blame the father, she may be his ex-wife, but the boy is still his son. Never show up for anything for his older child, if the father hadn’t all but abandoned him in favor of his new family the kid would probably been immune to his mother’s attacks on his father. He bears responsibility for the his son’s jealousy of his baby brother

That baby is a reminder of the kid's life getting ruined. I only blame the father and the mistress

The mother poisoned her son psychologically, so he poisoned they new son _literally._ I don't think she's legally responsible for for his actions, but that sure didn't help.

You think the son wouldn't have his own resentment to the man who broke his family apart and abandoned him and his mom? Anything to blame a woman 😂

Well most l&o cases are inspired in real cases.

That was a very messed up case! I do hope the father wasn't sleeping with the stepmother while she was a nanny

Whilst she did confessed and was sentenced to hang (which was commuted to 20 years in prison by Queen Victoria), there are still some people who believe that her confession was a lie, and that she was covering for her brother or her father (who many believed was having an affair with the nursery governess). ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CjvVRXTLofw.html After she left prison she changed her name, moved to Australia, and lived to 100.

I believe that her brother came up with a way to get pearls. Pearls are formed when an clam is attacked. It sprays a liquid which, when hardened, becomes a pearl. He would get a broken piece of sea shell, then stick it in the clam, to irritate it. This is how he started farming pearls.@@kathleencummings8081

​@@kathleencummings8081Along with all the other convicts. Australia, only country founded by criminals.

I need to see the full episode and see the reaction of the wet nurse who was innocent, and see if they apologized to her when she was telling the truth all along. Also side note, no finger print testing on the bottle? Couldn't have been more than 3-4, the wet nurse, the son, and the workers who put it on the shelf

@@UncannyLiving I don't think we heard from the nanny after the confession. The father confronted his kid before he was taken away, then the lawyers get together for drinks, and that's it.

@@UncannyLiving Important lesson in Law & Order: You don't get closure.

i feel you😥my dad left me and my mom and sister for some rich girl and never came back to be honest im glad he is not in my life but it tore my mom apart but she got over it and 2 years later my father we got to talk a little bit but he didn't care about me or my mom so i told stay out of my life i don't what his life his now but i hope he's making them happy like what he did to me my mom and my 2 sisters it was hard in the begining but things started new afterwards😃

Same here. Dad left for another woman and started a new family. I was able to find him and called him on the phone and he had the audacity to tell me he loved me. If that is "love" I wouldn't want to know what your "hate" looks like. When I gave another attempt to reconcile he had already passed from pancreatic cancer. I learned the truth from his mother. The new wife made his life a living hell. My mom almost died from anorexia when I was growing up and in the end my dad looked just like her and died from it. My mom called out to God and she got better and is living a happy life now. I worked my way up to a decent lifestyle also. Life shouldn't have been that hard, but life is pretty easy now since my mom and I had to deal with and work through the hard stuff early. I almost feel worse for people who grew up with an easy life to then fall on hard times, and those are coming, which is probably why it seems so many people are snapping and wiping out entire families and themselves. End times

I was lucky in that I had a Mother and Father. My father was a very doting father. My mother's father ran off on her when I think she was 2 or 3 years old. I don't know if he has any children from the Secretary he ran off with. This happenned many years ago probably in the 1940's or 50's. But this affected how my mother felt about Men and her relationship with my father and her Children.

Agreed.

Same

I get that feeling but with animal death in fiction. Never cared about kids biting it in fiction really, but I’ve always had a soft spot for animals.

Also the sense of dread when a child commits murder.

Nope

is it weird i dont feel that way i feel like the baby escaped the pain and unfairness of life death is actually peaceful except for the people who miss you and selfishly want you to stay alive and suffer this life with them

What’s funny about a dead baby? If you ever had to plan a funeral for one, you’d know that it’s not.

I second this. I spit soda out everywhere when she said it.

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I think it was just the way it was delivered haha bc she was all nice saying he wasn't responsive etc then suddenly cut to "the baby's dead" like it was just unexpected and a huge switch haha

It was almost simular like in that 911 lone star episode of season 1 episode 2 restaurant delivery guy poisons entire office building pouring mercury liquid in the good but was caught later reason why he poisoned them because treated him awful and never tipped him and smiled evil like he wanted them dead believe me when you talk about that law and order episode compared to 911 lone star there both good

The father threatened in front of a court officer to break Evan's neck, and Evan said, "Go ahead." It's as though he had given up on life. He knew that any chance of having a normal life ended now. I also think that regardless of the results of this trial, the au pair is finished. She's not going to be a nanny anymore. She's burned out. This reminds me of a later episode with the blond ADA, and William Atherton (sp), the EPA guy from Ghostbusters, was in the show. His new wife was killed, and he blamed his ex-wife. While she was a viable suspect, I think they were establish her alibi as unshakeable. End result, their daughter killed the new wife. Daughter blamed new wife for her parents' breakup and wanted them back together. Dad wasn't going to do anything, and mom became a drunk because of the break-up. She thought the new wife's death would end the arguments, but they continued arguing and blaming each other in front of her when they were all gathered in that meeting room. When daughter yelled at them to shut up, and McCoy started to confront her, one of the parents' lawyers got a look on his face as if realizing who the killer really was.

@@ytafan4068 well moral of the story is love your kids so much and never neglect them sharon Rocha the mother of laci peterson once said no parent should not find out the way their child was murdered what that kid did he took his step brother life and reach the point of no return and second moral don't let vengeance get a hold of you always remember that

The son had a key implying that he was good enough terms with dad. Seeing how the mother acts when we see her first always bashing the man that left her. I can tell you as a fact that that mother always bitched about him to her son. Using the poor lad like a fucking therapist. And going through puberty...ohhh dear lord, that makes things worse.

Young man is Charlie Hofheimer. Looks like he's done a lot of TV guest work and has been in some movies; Would You Rather, The Village, Black Hawk Down and Lassie to name a few.

Exactly 😢

Exactly

BLAH blah BLAH blah BLAH blah BLAH bloviating blowhard blowfest BLAH blah BLAH.

CPTSD

Did your friend's parents blame her for their screw-ups? Was that why she stopped talking to them and what you meant about her trauma and PTSD or CPTSD?

*doctor

@@nicholasogburn7746 *actor

@@nicholasogburn7746 Love you, was thinking the same to say. Maybe I'm lame and corny, but tired of women being seen as nurses and only men as doctors! Idk ahaha, my sis is a doctor and I will always advocate for female recognition in the medical field, they do 12 years of schooling and more! Nurses are amazing too my mom is one

If I was in that situation that woman Doctor was in, I would said "that's it, I'm outta here, I'm going home, I can't do this".

Well in all fairness to the defense attorney, the mother didn't even want the baby. She knew very little about him. And only asked about him on the phone as an afterthought. I certainly wouldn't give her the 'mother of the year' award. Her career was more important than her infant son...

I totally agree the lawyers who are doing their jobs by defending their jobs are saying working mothers are the worst and that they love their jobs more than their children which isn't true and wrong too and it is a fact also that some working mothers love their jobs more than their children too.

​@@Deborahtunes The woman loved her baby and she is devastated, heartbroken and hurt over his death and just because she works and loves her job doesn't mean she didn't love her child.

@@mernaloisbrown5809 If I remember, the Defense Attorney was a divorced mother. After tge trial, her, Claire, and McCoy were having a drink, she left early.

Right, dads can never come home from work and no one thinks anything of it.

Yeah, that's the downside of watching too much SVU, it becomes formulaic. Like 90% of the time it's the guest star or the second guy they introduce in the story.

@@sigheyeroll yea I know. Still a great show because occasionally there is one that surprises. But in terms of shows and movies in general I have been able to pick out the plot twist/killer early in. My mother is amazing at it. That is part of the reason I like law and order though. Some episodes make it so obvious who the guilty party is making the episode about proving their guilt and it shows flaws in the legal system. That being said, these days plot twists are expected making reveals less exciting. Too bad we can't unwatched the movie "the usual suspects" and see if we knew who kaiser was all along lol.

The writing didn’t do him much justice

Who is that?

@@boogieoogie1727 I actually thought it was good. A kid at that age without much self awareness is liable to come across that way- basically sounding pretty stupid. I thought that that was realistic.

Justification? No ofc not but I completely understand his irrational teen boy anger. I blame the father.

I will blame him and I will keep on blaming him You don't kill a baby Gtfo

Babies die in the US at the tune of a million a year. We call that a woman’s choice instead

I blame the boy but his fathers a cad

I know!! I thought the same when I saw her!!❤

I like when McCoy feeds her a cookie during the trial.

Didn’t she play a detective in an L & O episode?

@@themermaidstale5008 I think she did! There’s a lot of repeats for the cast extras in that show haha

I thought she was gonna say the game was rained out.

*they’re

Just shut up 😂

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You call that bad? Recently in China there is a case where a man threw his two very young children off a 15 storey apartment because the woman he has an affair with says the children is "an obstacle" to their new lives together.

@@bursegsardaukarThere's going to be a special place in Hell for that guy!!!😈🔥🔥🔥

If only men would not ruin their families with whores

The boy that killed the baby WAS A PSYCHO U don’t someone becuz ur hurt frustrated n angry! Esp an infant!

​@@YeshuaKingMessiah The Boy 👦♂️ Was A Victim Of Circumstances?.

SHE WAS LIKE SAUL GOODMAN BEFORE THERE WAS BREAKING BAD

Tye actor playing the defense attorney is Patty Lupone. She’s not only a great actress, she’s a Broadway superstar. I saw her in Evita back in the 80s. Powerful voice.

@@HeronCoyote1234 She also played the Mom in the TV series "Life Goes On."

@@lindawilson290 I loved that show.

@@HeronCoyote1234 right she can play real good lawyer she can be the judge the jury the executioner when makes either the plantiff or defendant talk the scene when she pushes the mother gave me a clap on the hands saying bravo👏

To be fair, the nanny heard the baby making unusual sounds and barfing and didn’t even bother to check up on him. If she hadn’t slacked off at her job, the baby might still be alive.

​@@colleenodriscoll8914could happen to anyone. The mom wasn't exactly present.

Nah. That au pair should be sued for negligence. Had she checked on the baby, who knows, he may have lived. And I absolutely cannot stand her smirking after she realized the kid was the murderer. Like you weren't one of the contributing factors🙄

You forget Dr Bailey being an FBI agent and a younger child in the early 90s law and order. As well as a nurse in the hospital lol

😂

Not to mention, the child's guardian was in the courtroom and wasn't invited into the judge's chambers where the judge elicited a confession from the child? But I guess the writers hadn't left themselves enough running time for all that legality...

Another hole is that the nanny theoretically could have bought a replacement bottle of pesticide for one which just ran out (that the boy saw earlier). Nothing the kid is saying in chambers will be used against him in court, so there's no need for an attorney. He said enough while sworn on the stand for them to start making a case against him. The judge is likely questioning him so that she has sufficient grounds to dismiss the case against the nanny, and thus free the nanny.

And his mother present.

Yes but does a minor have the legal and mental capacity to refuse an attorney? The maturity?

I'm not sure Mommy Dearest wanted to intervene.

It's a movie😅😅😅😅

It’s not always like that

Look at Meghan Markle, her half siblings came out of the woodwork to make money off her relationship. Sad part is their own mother has said “that both siblings (her own children), were and still are jealous of Meghan, and her sis even claimed she wasn’t her sister, but the maid’s kid.”

Divorce is tough. But what makes it cruel is how the parents do it

Why would one be jealous? I would never intended to kill my siblings if a divorce happened. The kid was unhinged

@@SamuraiGirl02 agreed 👍🏾

Like that ABC family movie

Huh?

​@@missladyanonymity it's like a nanny meets foreign exchange student

Ummm!! Like Newton, Massachusetts au pair murder case. Young English gal au pair. Mother and father both doctors, had 2 boys. The youngest was "slow". Boy found unresponsive, later died in hospital. English gal put on trial for his murder. Big show case. She was found guilty sentenced to life. That was changed to something lesser and she was shipped back to England. She can never come to the US again. But I think the mother doctor killed her own little boy. I think she cracked the boy's skull, then handed him off to the au pair early in the morning. Then later on they allowed her to visit with her little boy in the hospital. I think she finished him off in the hospital. She is a very arrogant and narcissistic woman. Believing, she was perfect with a perfect husband and a perfect marriage and a perfect life. So she could only have perfect children. The little boy wasn't perfect, so she killed him. Very soon afterwards she got pregnant again and had a new baby. So little dead boy was easily replaced. But no one ever explored this possibility. Corrupt Newton police detective was sitting right next to mother every day in courtroom (as an intimidation to au pair. When have you ever seen that?). I think she paid him off. He wouldn't do anything like that all day everyday unless he was getting paid big bucks. Paid off the Newton Police, paid off the district attorney (who was corrupt), paid off the judge. That is why, despite the fact the au pair was found guilty of murder and faced life in prison, they changed it to something lesser and just got her out of the country. That way, later on, under appeal or new trial or investigasian, the possibility that the mother killed the little boy wouldn't come up. The English. Girl wouldn't be here in the US to speak up. The mother was and is in the clear. It was a bizarre case in court. The judge was acting weird, DA was acting weird. Clearly the whole thing was scripted. If I had been on the jury, I would have voted not guilty and hung the jury.

It’s so easy to blame the “extra” person in the baby’s life and not the very-possibly guilty parents

But this was the boy's half-sibling and a baby - it's not like this boy, who is by this time what 15, 16?, had grown up with his sibling. On the contrary, the baby was this new addition to a new family which had displaced the boy's own family. This was the baby born to another woman who, in the boy's mind, had caused his mother to be tossed out (and the boy too). His father was now giving all his attention to this baby and his new wife - and forgetting his first son. The boy could see how he was fading into insignificance. What had been his role was now taken by this new baby, thr product of a new relationship that had destroyed the boy's family home. Obviously he's going to feel anger and it's not hard to see why it settled upon the baby. To the boy, it was just this perpetually crying thing that didn't have a personality, you couldn't have a conversation with it, it cried a lot, ate, slept and soiled its diapers. In fact, it would be harder to understand the boy killing an older child, a child he's had several years of getting to know and could talk to, and had developed some sort of relationship with.

I do understand what you're saying. The mind is a scary thing.@@SY-ok2dq

@@SY-ok2dqsad justifying it but it’s absolutely correct. The baby had no relationship or significance to him

@@Matthew-eg9zsnot to mention the baby represents him being replaced and totally removed from his fathers life. Hell at the end the boy says his father forgot to do their father son Mets game, thus he probably was sparked by this and decided to burn his fathers new family if he couldn’t have his whole family. On top of that powder keg his mother unknowingly stoked that hatred and resentment with her off screen scorned anger over being replaced with a new model.

@@SY-ok2dqyou know what I say to that? Boo hoo, your parents divorce, dad has a new relationship, has a kid, you don’t kill someone when they’re innocent in a situation, that’s stupid

But could any substance in abundance become a poison?

I think the son hid the poison there to frame the nanny

@@gabelogan5877 Yep, for that

@@marianaguardiaa.k.amariana4780 I almost feel bad for the kid. He was so messed up. He's Dad got a new family and totally ditched him. He's going to have to live with the fact that he played a part in this death

@@gabelogan5877 Yeep and it also made feel fury and shame

Well from a certain point of view he did take out on his father, he destroyed his father’s new family by killing their newborn

@@pelu101 he did hurt him, but it's not gonna teach the father anything. It's better that you lash out at the father rather than going somewhere to where he can never see you again

It makes it hurt the father more

just like the titanic

In the Louise Woodward case, it was realized years later that Matthew didn't die of SBS (shaken baby syndrome) but of medical complications he had prior to Louise's stay in their home.

@@KatIstEmo was it the anti freeze medical thing?

I scrolled for this! lol Shot out to Dr. Altman

Same goes for a woman that leaves her family. End the double standards.

Why did he leave????

Nah the pr9blem is the kid was raised in the USA. Killing l8ving children is their national past time.

Oh bullshit. Be quiet.

It is what happens because what Nick cannon is doing is unnatural

She also played Kim in third watch

The blood of Evan rests on his hands.

had = have

The truth always comes out.

It’s a tv show…

She played the mother in the show Life Goes On. She also was in Coven for American horror story

Married with children, the show. That's where I recognized her from

the original Evita on Broadway

"You owe me", cause he showed the kid was lying.

Yes I had to back track too LOL

​@@michaelleary9233 so what the boy got away with killing a baby

@@miagrass Yeah. He hated that his father had a new son who probably wouldn't have had it any better, cause his father wasn't going to change.

@@michaelleary9233 that bs yes the nanny is at fault but the son is the cause of this awhole mess he should be put behind bars he didn't accidentally he deliberately kill the baby wtf type of government justice is this we pay tax for bs.