Ok, so i saw this post on fb and wanted to share with everyone: "J. Cole, Kendrick, Nas, Common, and Lupe BEEN making music for the the people, BEEN talking about police brutality, BEEN talking about the system, BEEN fighting for Black lives and y’all called them boring, trash, and acted like you needed a doctorate degree to understand their message. Lil Baby took a break from his usual songs about jewelry, money, guns, and drugs and makes ONE auto tune song about Black lives and now he’s the GOAT and it’s “Protect Lil Baby at all costs”, “he underrated”, and “finally an artist talking about real issues.” Whewww I’m dead in my feels right now lmfao. I really hate y’all lmfao. Yall don’t deserve any of my faves lmfao 😤😤"
Not to mention, Cole AND Kendrick were actually SEEN out in the streets protesting! Isn’t that what it’s about? Taking ACTION and not just sitting behind a screen, typing a half ass tweet and expecting change. That’s why I’m confused why people are upset and tryna “cancel” Cole like he ain’t been protesting since Mike Brown and the Ferguson riots.
People are just used to their style of music so when some new rapper tries to hop on their trend it's a whole protect at all cost thing. It's sad when these ogs just go unnoticed during these times
Everyone is reacting to "Snow on tha Bluff" like J. Cole was speaking AS J. Cole when he's saying the things that he's saying in this track. WHEN HE IS NOT!! He is speaking from the perspective of all the people that SHE is speaking to in her tweets. She goes in about how people aren't "woke". The same people who are coming to defend her, are the same people that she is putting down for not being "woke" enough. I feel like this track is basically what Terrell said, about what Malcolm X said. Her message is correct, but her delivery is wrong if she is turning away the people who need to hear the message. Its backwards. Its backward. Also im old enough to remember it was J. Cole on the streets of Ferguson when it was MIke Brown. Leaders attacking other leaders is counter productive.
Preachhhhhh. J Cole has already solidified his stance on Social Injustice, Kendrick too. They don’t need to be all in the media, tweeting, posting IG pics. Even though Cole was in the streets. Noname shouldn’t be putting people down for not being quote on quote “woke”, instead she needs to put her energy towards helping the people that aren’t educated or up to date on things.
A Boy Named Jamil people really don’t know how to interpret words it’s a sad thing when we start killing peoples artistry and creativity because of the Idiots who can’t think on something from more than one perspective
He is woke. He’s saying if you’re woke stop acting like you’re better than the people that are living their life on a lower level of consciousness and help them get to where you’re at.
Alex FC I do agree with that - I was more or less saying that this pressure of him being looked at as a leader was brought on by unrelenting fans or the public in general who see him as someone who is supposed to know it all based off his music where he just expresses his personal life and struggles
You're wrong lmao his whole career is built off of being a "conscious" rapper. Conscious can be seen as a synonym for woke. He does not claim to be holier than others but he has definitely been entrusted to be a voice for the community. It is convenient for him to now say that he's not that smart.
I agree with everyone in this thread so far cole is a nigga that talks about what he sees/experienced you can be aware and not be what society deems as “woke”
I don't think this should be viewed solely as a response to a tweet, but rather a chance for Cole to speak his mind on this issue with the putting down of people who are less 'woke'. I think the song is deeper than just Cole and Noname.
Exactly!! Idk why everybody turned this into a "Beef". He is mostly criticizing himself and how this woman is woke and doing good but he is just bothered on how she is seeing herself above anyone else just because she is woke and that she could teach a lot more people if she is a bit gentle. The song felt like a father talking to a Daughter rather than a "diss" as some people put it.
What are y’all talking about? Lol Cole definitely makes music about “black plight.” I don’t think y’all fully understand the definition. Plight means like unfortunate situations or conditions. So when you say black plight, that’s relating to poverty, institution racism, black issues in our community, etc. His whole career is centered around that. So she definitely could have been talking about him(which I’m sure he was one of the ones in mind when she tweeted that) but it wasn’t just directed to him. Just like I feel like his song wasn’t just directed to her. I think it was more so about people like her, who have the knowledge and resources that she has, to help and teach people about what’s going on, instead of condemning them for not knowing. And I don’t think he was necessarily talk about himself, but more so to another people who need/ have a thirst to learn this knowledge, and thinks it would be more helpful for her to reach people if she had a more “gently” approach.
I understand your point but if you listen to most of his discography, save for a few tracks, he mainly touches on his upbringing and how he grew up in America. Naturally, both ideas will connect but he isn’t like Kendrick in the way he speaks about police brutality or social inequality for black people. Everything else you said I agree with though
Hmmm I think we painted that narrative. When you listen to his complete bodies of work, he speaks from his perspective, some songs deal with issues but he did not build his career on that.
Sylar1968 I agree with you as well but since 2016 he made a very thoughtful song about societies that don’t understand our community. Change by J. Cole is a wonderful song however he is not Mr. Lamar😂He’s himself 🤓
Sylar1968 He does both. On every Cole project there’s at least two or more songs talking about black struggles, and the whole 4 Yourz Only album is about that. Not to mention, he mentions things in a verse on a song that has nothing to do with that topic, for example, “Crooked Smile” he’s talking about women(I think more specifically black women) having self esteem issues and how we need to have more self love, but in the third verse he talks about race/ racial biases in the music industry and then talks about the police system, not to mention, the video. Also, songs that are not on an album/mixtape, Be Free and High For Hours.
He has so much to say on the FALL OFF album and this "snow in on the bluff" get me wondering when the next album will be like. Cole is gonna shock the world with his new album that is coming
Kris Aziabor well yeah if I was a Kanye fan and people compared cole to ye I’d just have a place in my heart where I don’t like cole too straight up disrespecting Kanye comparing the two
Man social media got people feeling all kinds of ways and think that slack-tivism really doing something. I don't understand how you can claim someone is a leader for a cause, when they never said they were and just because you speak out about it.I heard the response Noname did and she literally did the same shit that Cole explained in the song. I mean if you going to call Cole out" for all this chaos I'm the world and you speaking on me?" Stuff ,Well damn, Noname you calling the kettle black by doing the same shit. Gotta call a spade a spade
I totally agree on the social media part. People who don't post but do work in silent are just as important than the people who post constantly. I hate when people get mad at others for doing something different than what they or doing.
@@Jesterisim It's not "needed." You missed the point. His voice is *important,* but it's not necessary. He can talk and speak his mind and grandstand all he wants, that's not gonna affect policy. He shouldn't be "cancelled" for not talking.
When he says “u woke and I’m not” I think J Cole didn’t necessarily mean himself, I think he meant other people who aren’t as educated but get disrespected instead of being taught and having someone educate them
@@joshuanelson8952 if you go to Coles twitter he admits that he does not read up on things and educate himself as he should, but he does say that he has a lot of thoughts on his mind and his way of getting them out is through rap.
I dont think that cole thought the tweet was about him. I think he was trying to say instead of attacking us be apart of the solution and help educate others.
@@jamila3631 It is just as easy getting false information as it is getting truthful information from Google search. Those that actually know what's true and what's false should educate those who don't
By woke hes trying to interpret the other person's perspective. I think J Cole is much more aware than most of us and he understands that most people believe they themselves are woke regardless of it being true or not so he cedes to the that perspective by agreeing and saying that "even though you are woke how does that change the situation?"
This was my first time listening to the song. And I don’t ever be on twitter so I didn’t know about the whole cancelling j cole trend. The song was cool, not really necessary. I know that moving forward j cole will make sure to educate himself on these current events
Sylvio Flores bro stfu that has not to do with this video, it’s clearly a reaction video to music. And I didn’t say that people dying wasn’t important that literally has nun to do with this video nor this channel so gtfo
J Cole has had a book club since 2011. He reviews the books with them also. He has a reading program inside his foundation. Check out Dreamville Foundation. Cole just doesn’t want to brag. He is also apart of Big Brother foundation along with about 8 other rappers including Pusha T.
“I prophesied on my last song but you laughed at me , so when this shit get bracken’ don’t y’all ask for me , how many leaders gone tell you the truth after me” - Heart Part 4
Yassss Terrell!!!! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 That's exactly what he was saying. Why can't we construct without attacking our ppl. As a very socially conscience BLACK woman I see nothing wrong with him addressing the "HOLLYER THAN THOU" attitude that some BLACK ppl have for being more knowledgeable about the systematic issues that we face. Why can't we critique instead of cancelling?!? I definitely think he should've came out with something addressing the climate not addressing ppls commentary ON THE climate
I feel like the point of the song was to give people like noname advice on how they could better relay their message to masses. Cole didn’t feel like he was well equipped with the information to tackle the problem himself but he does know that he’s an expert at delivering messages in a way that people can digest so he’s tryna give people with the right knowledge the tools to do that. It’s kinda similar to an advisor for a king. He’s helping just in a different way than we expected.
Lol this we was ‘brainwashed’ and would’ve been free if we had the right mentality is what Kanye was talking about and everyone jumped on his ass for it
@@izrael820 Nigga tf you talking about? The media cut the context, not Ye. He said "400 years of slavery? That sounds like a choice to me." We've only been in this country for 400 years, but every single left leaning media outlet cut the 400 years part so it sounds like he said "slavery is a choice". Cut the bullshit.
I actually love the fact that they have two different perspective when it comes to Cole cause it ends up being a great conversation than just two fans praising an artist.
I didn’t see what was confusing about it because I interrupted the Dont y’all like you better than be as in a universal to everybody thing not a specific thing for him. People are twisting words and preferring tweets instead of action and shaming instead of having a conversation.you want black success and freedom but spit in niggas faces because you think you’re better. How do you expect black people to come together and grow if you would rather shit on a nigga instead of planting a seed of knowledge . That’s how I immediately seen this track.
MUNA Dahir reading may not be your strong suit . The fact that you can even interrupt or conceptualize the normalization of being open to conversation wether you like it or not to a new perspective versus silencing because of your self serving bias. If you can’t understand that then you are just virtue signaling for women at the detriment of the entire of of black people. And anything to defend a man? It’s not complicated but It may be to you. You are apart of the problem. Stop blaming men you sound kinda.... yeah. Open your mind bruv
Vante3K Yh yh yh all of that when what matters is Jcoles first words in a long time during this revolutionary time is: black woman mean. Nothing you say can make this acceptable. It’s pathetic and divisive. He should have never used his platform to publicly call out a black woman at such times. No other movement has top selling musicians who call out each other when they’re on the same side with a f-ing song. He should’ve dmed her, they should’ve spoke, came out with a solution together. Instead he let his ego get in the way and for that he made a major mistake in the movement.
Vante3K Black women are important to the movement, they are the ones who push the hardest for ALL black lives. They are constantly silenced by black and non black people as “angry” no matter how they say things because people don’t like what they’re saying. Jcole is adding to that choir of idiots. You should be grateful to black women. Yet instead you antagonize them by tone policing and hiding by saying it’s for the greater good. Says who? Some people learn through babying, some people need to be cussed out to get it through their head. ALL ways of fighting matter, but making a song about it? Demented.
J. Cole wasnt only speaking from j.coles perspective he was speaking in general, because who wants to listen someone yelling at them. Some of our people are lost and it's all of our job to teach them but no one is going to wanna learn from someone belittling them Plus we all getting side tracked stay focused yall 🖤✊🏾
J cole wasnt aiming it at noname per say its what she said and what it represents . Cole was basically saying in these times of turmoil we always at same point go at each other and what we are not doing is tryna empower each other and unite and become stronger ... Its the reason why he keepin it real by he not doing enough because we can all do more .
I'm just tryna see where Cole discography isn't about black plight. He and Kendrick got one album specifically about that (TPAB 4YEO). KOD and DAMN is debatable as well
Y’all said “Why would he respond to the track” and I think his message goes beyond just responding to the tweet. Whereas Noname is concerned with pressuring and whining about rappers to make statements on social media, Cole is trying to further the movement by asking those who really know their stuff and are educated on this sort of thing to, instead of shame others for not knowing/doing enough, helping others understand where they are on the matter. J Cole’s message pretty needed imo especially with the current twitter landscape, but y’all had to make it about a J Cole VS. Noname type of thing like it’s a rap battle lmao
Bro Noname literally has a book club and promotes literature on black issues all the time. When Cole is asking for knowledgeable people, he’s literally talking about Noname. He’s just upset about the tone of her which is dumb because she’s literally handing out knowledge and his issue is that she’s being too pushy
@@DummiesBelow She is tho lmao, anyone can promote black literature. That's not gonna help the black plight. And making other artists feel bad for not being on your level of "wokeness" is counterintuitive.
ERBOCH she speaks about it in her music like just cole does, and her book club is a thing across the country to encourage black people to educate themselves
@@HG-yu7eq Okay? What more does he have to say? He's already made the songs and protested for good. It's not J. Cole's job to do anything more than that. It would obviously be better if he did it, but there's absolutely no reason to make him or others like him to feel bad for it. It doesn't make him any better of a person if he becomes an internet activist or drops another song to capitalize off of this.
It’s j cole saying he’s a human too who doesn’t know everything and can learn just like we all can people so quick so jump to hate without taking a step back and look at things from different prospectives which he gave in this track 💯
Cole’s point was proven when he talked about we spend more time attacking each other then supporting each other. If people took a minute to read the lyrics and the message instead of climbing on the bandwagon you would’ve realised Cole was talking more about how noname could use her knowledge to better our people. There’s nothing wrong with asking for help or knowledge, Cole may not have grown up with the knowledge she did and sometimes knowledge goes beyond books, it’s shit we acquire from life experience, he wants to know her perspective. But nonames was passive aggressive with sub tweeting him and Kendrick, like of course he can tell to check her tone, there’s nothing wrong with that. If you have a problem with me, then ask me directly you don’t need to be childish and sub tweet me, she most likely has his number or knows someone who does, dm him he’ll see it.
Also I’ve seen more about this over the couple days then the actual movement we are fighting for, we are becoming our worst enemy because we are attacking each other, distracting each other. If we don’t keep the pressure on and attention on the BLM movement, it’s going to disappear quickly and people will forget about it. If you don’t believe me, remember those kids who thought against guns or something because their school got shot up, the ones that X made a song for called Hope. Where are they, they were on national news, celebrity’s supporting them but all of a sudden their coverage dropped and their movement stopped just as quickly as it started
