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Aww, my other comment was deleted again. That one had to have been reported because I know it made it through initial screening. (You know you're doing something right if you're making the fasc unhappy with you.) This video was amazingly done. You took J.K's trashfire nonsense and expanded it into something that was an even wider net of knowledge, information, and perspective that far surpassed the original "drama" (not to downplay the harm of her message or the social impact her words can have - you just massively transcended the prompt argument cited at you on the original platform). Back in my best college days I wouldn't have been able to do a paper with even a third of the research you included here in the turnaround time, let alone *everything else.* Take a bow Righteous Bestie.
Another important fact to mention was that gay and trans victims, after the liberation of concentration camps and the collapse of Nazi Germany, were not officially recognized as victims, and were still forced to complete their sentences under paragraph 175. The pink triangle isn't just a symbol of gay rights, it's a reminder that the acts of violence against the LGBTQ community are often STILL not recognized as hate crimes and oppression through denial.
But then people might have to consider other cases of oppression if not genocide in countries outside of Axis nations including their own. And that was considered rude and inconvenient then and it's considered rude and inconvenient now.
It's similar for Romani people. After war, the authorities mantained that they were put into concentration camps as a criminal punishment and it took a lot of Romani activism to convince society that it was, in fact, a genocide aimed at them.
@@goodpeople25if you really want to have problems sleeping at night look up how the British ruled Kenya in the 1950s, especially during the mau mau uprising
Not a Nazi but German My grandpa(93) told me about how they tried to put my greataunt into Hadamar ( “psych hospital“ with 3 human-“remains“ ovens) I visited Hadamar with my school in 2008 … bad things happens there back then!!! Very bad!!! Edit because I forgot to mention why I mentioned this my great grand aunt had a traumatic thing happen to her and she vowed never to marry … to Hadamar they send „physical and mentally unwell“ aka LGBTQA people, physical disabled, neurodivergent people,… and almost all ended digging their own graves LITERALLY or after the cemetery got overwhelmed had to go into the ovens … But my great aunt was lucky because great grandma Elsa marshed two towns over by foot directly in the Nazi office, ripped all the officers a new one(something like „I know all your mothers how dare you“) and took her sister in law back home
Reminds me of after January 6, when MAGA-twitter was like “It was ANTIFA!!” and their fellow MAGA-peeps were like “How dare you! I was there, it was righteous and glorious. We are heroes! Don’t take this from us!”
As an autistic person, I never understand why people who aren't autistic talk so much about autism without actually inviting autistic adults to a panel or group discussion. It's this whole "we know better than you, the actual people" attitude I don't understand. It's a very dangerous thought attitude that i see being applied to trans people as well. It's always applied to vulnerable populations who would just like rights and to speak for themselves. It's applied to women, black people, disabled people, other minorities who aren't in power. It's a sneaky attempt to keep equality and power from us with the guise of "we care about you". and are "doing this for your own good". It's BS
It's because they can't fathom that we're our own persons with self-autonomy. Also with bigots being unable to fathom that we're not infants nor toddlers to begin with, yet they treat us like such behind closed doors.
I hate as well the idea that we can't think for ourselves. Like last time I checked, autism doesn't make someone automatically needs a guardianship (most guardianships would still allow individual rights like that too). The ableism and dehumanization is just mind-boggling. Those people literally never talked to an autistic person in their life it is unbelievable.
As an autistic person, I love that us being slightly more likely to be trans is the ONLY statistic these people like to focus on. Not the 80% unemployment rate, high rate of mental health problems, substance abuse problems (that especially would go well with their immigration rhetoric), like if they want to morally grandstand for us there are much better ways to do it.
This, so much this. I hate that she uses autistic girls as a bludgeon against trans people. Guess what? I'm autistic AND a cis girl AND I knew about trans people in adolescence! I was riddled with anxiety and OCD as a teen and STILL AM as an adult. I even QUESTIONED MY GENDER in my late teens because I was uncomfortable with womanhood. But do you know what I never did? Came out as trans, because even if womanhood makes me uncomfortable (turns out, I'm asexual and feel very uncomfortable with society's sexualization of women) I have never had any desire to actually exist as anything other than a feminine girl/woman. Why don't these terfs talk about THAT instead? Oh right, because autistic women are practically children who could never truly understand something like their own minds, silly me [massive sarcastic eye roll] ! I swear...
for real!!! they act like they care about autistic people at all but the only time they do is when it's an excuse to be transphobic. it's just like conservatives pretending to all of a sudden care about women's sports when it means they can be transphobic
Most of these people don't know what autism is or care about our issues. Just like their focus on children, they want to isolate a demographic that has difficulty speaking for itself, that will not be listened to, so that they can place themselves as our saviours.
It's not really something that's taught in a lot of places, even now. We queerfolk are so familiar with it only *because* it's very specifically pertinent to our own history.
one of many things that are beyond frustrating about my dads “support” is he, a guy with a MASTERS IN HISTORY, has made no effort in the 11 yesrs since i came out to learn even the most basic parts of our history much less our current lives, he is a pathetic sad excuse for a father and just an embarrassment on every level to be so unwilling to do anything for the people he claims to love everything he does he does for himself
I did know about it while not being LGBTQ+, but then I've spent most of my life reading history and even studying history at uni. I do my best to share articles about the institute for sexual science and the burning of it's collections whenever I come across a vaguely relevant discussion on the internet. It can be astounding to see american right wing "defenders of children" use literally the same arguments as the nazis, such as the "corruption of (german) youths" and that all literature on the topic should be burned. Similairly astounding can be watching them try to wriggle out of finding themselves on the same side in the debate as the nazis, and still claim that it's the LGBTQ+ who are the "real nazis". But I guess that if they were able to think critically, they wouldn't be who they are in the first place.
the expectation that transgender people must have been some clearly identifiable group seperate from other queer people in order to have faced persecution is WILD, especially considering that hirschfeld's work was some of the first research to EVER draw a distinction between sexuality and gender identity/expression in the western world. hirschfeld's Zwischenstufenlehre (the theory of sexual intermediacy) was groundbreaking, in that it allowed for the existence of what we know now as gay trans people (trans men attracted to men, trans women attracted to women) instead of presupposing that transition was unique among supposed "homosexuals" (trans men attracted to women, trans women attracted to men, etc.). like this theory was JUST emerging and would not be replicated for DECADES after the IFS's destruction. the notion that "they only persecuted trans people because they were homophobic, not transphobic" is acting like the concept of distinguishing between those two groups wasn't *literally just invented by the man the nazis despised*
YES! Even TODAY, many cis-het people don't understand the difference between gay and trans! So many people get absolutely bamboozled when they learn that lots of trans women are interested in women, or that lots of trans men are into men. Not to mention the distinction between trans people, cross-dressers, and drag queens.
They persecuted trans people not just because they were seen as gay, but because they were seen as different, and anything different must be bad in the eyes of the face-eating leopards.
i just rewatched contrapoints first jk rowling video and wow, how far shes gone. from "ill march with you if you were discriminated against" to "youve never been marginalized, even in nazi germany"
Oooff that Contrapoints video. She came at the video from a pov of *defending* JKR. When JKR said that, it was in the context of "but..." as in "anything before the 'but' is horse sh*t" seeing as the "but" was basically "but how dare trans women claim to be women". Which is all to say - she hasn't changed much, she's just less subtle about it.
@@alexandralillywhite5997I don't think Natalie's video was so much trying to defend Rowling as try to actively empathize with her. To be as generous as possible. And even then, Rowling didn't look _good,_ so much as _hopefully redeemable._ What has come since is showing that such charity was not warranted in the slightest, no matter how much some of us might have wanted to believe it was.
I called it as soon as I saw the "if" in her "I'll march with you" lip service. She was already implying back then that discrimination we face is not real, is at most hypothetical or potential.
Honestly back then I could give her some credit, as she genuinely just seemed concerned for cisgender women (and knowing her past with sexual assault and domestic violence, I could give her so,e credit) but now I’m just like, wow you really are just the worst, like she’s so gender critical.
Hi, yes, I've read the Marhoefer book. It's a very thoughtful and nuanced look at the contradictions of Magnus Hirschfeld's life and work, and the ways in which his social positions as simultaneously marginalized (gay, Jewish) and privileged (European, male, cis) influenced these contradictions. It is fucking LUDICROUS to cite it as proof that his work did not encompass trans healthcare, or that he was somehow pro-Nazi.
A couple years ago, I was living in Germany for a summer research position and visited the memorial to the burning of Hirschfeld's library, located on the spot in Berlin where it happened. It's a sprawling white plaza surrounded by imposing old university buildings. In the center, there is a hole in the cobblestones, a plexiglass window into a small underground room. You look down, and you see floor-to-ceiling bookshelves. They are empty. It is the single most impactful monument I have ever seen.
Oh yeah. Now that you explain it, and in such loving detail, I remember seeing that online. Truly a powerful installation. Jealous that you were able to see it and glad you had that experience.
Hah what a great example of German self-contradictory "Errinnugnskultur" that involves actually memorializing nothing of any substance, just performatively self-flagellating while German society slides farther and farther back towards fascism. An empty hole with nothing but a conspicuous lack of information in it.
Typical. _ "[Insert crime against humanity] didn't happen". _"We actually have all this proof that it did happen". _ "Well, [victims of said crime] weren't saints, they diserved bad things to happen to them". _"So you admit that it did happen?" _ "Why are you always playing the victim? Stop attacking me!" I've seen in play out many times in different situations.
When many of us asked just how low she could go she evidently decided to go out and rent a backhoe. I'm wondering on how long it will be before she gives up on the backhoe and instead goes for the tunneling rig from Journey to the Center of the Earth. That deep hole won't dig itself.
@@DarkSkyRender Yeah I seldom check mainstream British papers unless I'm looking for their specific coverage on something (or in this case, lack therof). They're all in complete lockstep with the tories and starmers Labour.
@@notrod5341It's so strange how we supposedly have a free press in the sense that it's not state censored or run (like Sputnik or whatever) and yet it sure feels like it's state run...
I wanted to send my mom an article about this. So I looked up German articles about this and found two. Not from the big press in Germany but one game news website and one that focuses on LGBT+ news. No big newspapers or anything. It's sad
@DarkSkyRender The British media and general culture is probably worse on trans issues than in the US. Obviously transphobia is rampant in the States but it's very much along ideological lines and comes from the usual suspects - Christian conservatives and reactionaries. In Britain it seems acceptable for liberals and even some self-described leftists to be openly transphobic as well.
This subject really angers me. I am a trans woman, born in 1972 who started verbally and explicitly self identifying as female in 1976. Had that research not been burned, it's entirely possible that my mother would not have had her brain polluted with John Money's theories about gender malleability, as I started therapy before he admitted that his experimentation on David Reimer had failed, catastrophically. It's also possible they'd have started treating trans kids with puberty blockers by the mid 1980s, when I was going through a terribly brutal male puberty. My mother was dragged from her home at the age of 5 off to a strange country where she didn't speak the language because of a Nazi occupation. Then, almost 30 years later, she was advised to torture her trans daughter until I behaved like a son, possibly because of the book burning discussed in this video. This did irreparable harm to both her and to me. She became a malignant covert narcissist who died without admitting what she'd done to me in childhood, even when I recounted them, beat for beat to her face. I suffer from cPTSD, a condition I came by so young that I was first diagnosed with an anxiety driven stomach ulcer at the age of 9. When people ask me how I became an antifascist, I tell them "The most honest way any gentile could."
This was a powerful, valuable post. I hope you spend the rest of your life in joy and prosperity. FWIW, I transitioned in 2023, in my 40's, and am deeply impressed by your statement.
i don't normally comment on anything but this makes me wonder: how disgusting are the private groups/servers/whatever she's in if she thinks THIS would sound normal and reasonable to most people? what kind of conspiracy theories are she and her friends talking about?
considering she hustles and bustles with posy parker (that neo-nazi she defendedso she could spout anti-trans shite) and evengelicals and people like matt walsh of TPUSA not good ones, her discord must be rancid
for an answer to that, just look to her most extreme friends. Someone like Posey Parker for e.g. We can can safely assume she broadly agrees with the majority of those people's opinions.
@@jmwilliams88 I have always considered Madam Umb-- I mean, Rowling, to be remarkably toadlike in behavior. Glad I'm not the only one to have noticed that connection.
And the LORD said, "Thou shalt not post cringe", but the TERF answered, "lol, lmao", and lo, she posted cringe, and the cringe was most cursed, and the LORD saw it and said "Not this shit again" -Book of Twitter, 4:20
It is legitimately uncomfortable to watch Joanne's continuing descent into this reactionary, conspiracy-brained rabbit hole she's hurtling down. Not from an, "Oh no, I thought you had such good opinions 😢" perspective, exactly. It's something closer to the disturbed feeling you might get watching a horror movie about a character's descent into madness. And she's documenting much of it herself, right out there on social media :/
Right? This past week or so has been wild, she started it off by switching to calling trans people "trans identied" which cements her as holding the belief that trans people don't really exist, attacked and misgendered India Willoughby and then rounded it off with this shitshow. She's out of control. The slight positive to it is, anyone who doesn't really know about GCs and their insane transphobic hatred and sees her repeated twitter meltdowns won't be fooled by the "genuine concerns,defending women's rights" excuses any more.
It has been a slow descent, but I think she's always felt and thought the things she's displaying now, she just couldn't say them out loud without being sure her cult members would stick up for her. Aligning with Nazis is pretty intense though.
@harrisonashley1631 unluckily willfull ignorance is a defining feature of transphobes, it always has been, but in the last couple of years that's become more clear than ever.
I think an important thing about Hirschfeld is that he employed some of his patients as secretaries because they obviously had trouble finding employment. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM AFTER THE INSTITUTE WAS RAMSACKED, the implications of which are pretty clear I think.
@@bobthebox2993 oh it's good you're reminding me of this because we know now what happened to one of the secretaries! She lived out her life as a woman until retirement age! Apparently she kept a pigeon in her purse she would drop treats to every once in a while.
I'm getting a kick, in a grim way, with the number of people asking "what even was Hirschfeld's research????" What indeed? If most of it hadn't been burned, we'd have a clearer idea.
If I remember correctly, last time LGB Alliance was in court they stated that Malcolm Clark was no longer part of their organisation and that his tweets werenot representative of them. Days after the case they went straight back to promoting him and claiming he was part of their team. They know how bad his statements would look under scrutiny in a court but are happy to let him push bigotry and disinformation when they aren't under investigation.
I can’t believe she was just like… you know…. Being transphobic? That’s not good enough anymore. Gotta become a neo nazi. Like. WHAT? 😭you were hated enough why would you become worse???? Absolutely absurd
Right. If she doesn't give a shit about what the Nazis did to trans people, she doesn't give a shit about what they did to gay people, either (because they were treated much the same)
They pretend to be okay with gay people, but they aren't they hate all of us. Especially gay people that are open and proud because it's "shoving it down their throats/in their faces" and more femme gay men who don't conform to gender norms, they want gays to be quiet and disappear and not exist publicly. Trans and other queer people are just acceptable targets right now. Slightly more so than gay people but they still hate us and would like nothing more than to put us back in camps wearing pink triangles.
@@caelanconrad Have you watched Shaun's "JK Rowling's new friends"' A lot about who JKR's friends are. Anti-trans, anti-marriage, anti-abortion, and very faschy. And a lot of her supporters acting like they have even read her books. We all know they are not the literary!
This is what I hate most about being left. You spent an entire day making a well researched and put together video, while JK probably put more effort into the literal toilet she was sitting on when she made those tweets. It's no wonder people on the right have so much time and energy to spread hate and go down wild conspiracies when they spend 0 effort making sure what they think is actually correct.
There is a line from a book series I enjoy that I can't help but think about constantly these last ten years (well 20 years really): "The truth tends to be awkward, messy, and complicated, but a well-orchestrated lie is almost always more consistent or coherent and a hell of a lot simpler..." The last part hasn't rung true quite so much in the last 10 years because right-wing lies have been more incoherent, non-sensical, and batshit crazy as of late, but there has been an inane simplicity to them as well usually wrapped up in a steadfast refusal to even remotely pay attention or accept any facts that support the often complex truth/reality.
@@kmac169 you made my day, because my ex used to think the opposite and used the same logic against a friend whom was likely with an abuser, or at least they said so. I don't know what the truth is, but being the victim of another, although unconsciously, abuser as a kid, the truth is often murkier than it seems. What differentiates truth from lie is coherence, not simplicity.
I’m a member of the community and I was today years old when I learned that Hirschfeld and his Institute existed, let alone the burning. I’m ignorant to the history and have a lot of blind spots. But, with the amazing power of pattern recognition, I can recognize that 1) Fascists love ignorance and censorship and 2) There are lots of scholars who know things I don’t, and it’s easy to go to primary sources and look stuff up. Ignorance is no excuse.
At this point JK Rowling is doing more good for the trans community then harm by bringing up historic facts that most people don't know about. Even if she's saying they didn't exist it's still bringing the subject into the modern spotlight.
@@Capt.Steele This is a terrible way to learn about history. People are accustomed to taking in information at face value. It's so easy for jkr to lie. And then it takes pages upon pages for people to correct her lies, most of which will never be read by the people who need to read it. If jkr and her army of simps have taught me anything, its that you can't underestimate the pervasiveness and danger of lies.
Exactly! Because it mustn't, in any way, be relativized. We cannot let it happen again and we cannot let the cruelties and atrocities be forgotten. I also don't think the trans community is "making the subject about them". They're just informing people about facts that might not be too well known. Most know that people of Jewish heritage were murdered by the nazis, but often Sinti and Roma, political adversaries and the LGBTQ+ people are not as prominently mentioned for being victims of their murder system.
Remember when Joanne said she would march in the streets if trans people's rights were under attack? It's shocking how quickly we went from there to here (and how obvious the path was to those who'd witnessed it with other public figures)
@@alexandralillywhite5997 No intelligent person believed it. I was a ridiculously sheltered 14 yo Mormon who’d already been pumped full of anti trans rhetoric, so I fell for it hook, line, and sinker 😂
There was a march a couple of years ago in London but rather than attend she was chugging prosecco with some of her nazi TERF pals at a bottomless brunch.
Tbh it probably should’ve been. A lot of terfs have been using anti-semetic dogwhistles for years, and have formed numerous alliances with neo-not-see groups
As disgusting as it is, I'm not surprised after seeing terfs like Posie Parker happily and publicly working with actual neo nazis at that anti-trans rally she decided to drop on the lot of us in Aus.
Someone should write a HP Fan fic some 100 years later, where a famous wizard calls herself a "Halfblood rights activist" but mainly openly works with remaining Death Eaters to attack the rights of Muggleborn, Squibs, magical Creatures and claim the Battle of Hogwarts never happened.
Or that it may have happend but wasn't that bad. Barely anyone died. One of them was even a man who "identified" as a wolf. So the Death Eaters had it right.
I haven't read Hirschfeld, but the number 43,046,721 reads like it was calculated by multiplying a bunch of numbers together, and it turns out that number is 3 to the power of 16. So i assume the calculation was along the lines of defining several different spectrums, perhaps 8 spectrums each with 9 options, and then 9^8 is 43 million
I'm a teacher in Japan and we just had a highschool age lesson on J.K. Rowling and how artists can subtly include bigotry into their art. It was a mix of art literacy and practicing writing an argument. I'm proud to say that most of my kids even though they didn't know the atrocities of J.K Rowling before agreed that it's important to be more cautious when consuming art like hers.
A great lesson for teenagers. It's such a big part of critically analyzing literature, trying to figure out what the text says vs what the author thinks about the world
I was nervous to teach it since society here is a bit sheltered sometimes from the wider international community but my school was very supportive. We ended up using several examples of Japanese artists that they may be more familiar with to support the lesson while showing examples from the Harry Potter books such as the comparison of Jewish stereotypes to her goblins. The students then had to organize their thoughts and opinions while supporting their argument with examples they learned in class and examples from their own research. It was a very rewarding lesson and helped expand their awareness of international issues. Things like racism are so intangible to them because 99% of Japan is Japanese. They get surprised when I share how us foreigners face racism here everyday because they are so unaware of its existence they don't see it happening right in front of them!@@mayaneff3728
Ooh I really want to ask you for this lesson plan if there is any way for you to share it. I find projects like that really important for students, and am glad it was received well (also a teacher in Japan)
I used to teach in Japan (English) and that sounds like a good one, I very rarely did stuff that went that deep with my students. I did get into politics sometimes (explaining different politicians positions, discussing who would support them and why), and we did bring up LGBT subjects, but I wish I could have gone deeper into it. But then, I also really loved Harry Potter and still respected her as an Author back then (I moved back to the US in 2017)...things were so different back then. Or at least, my understanding of them was. Sigh...
What’s extraordinary about this as someone who takes history seriously is that academic historians a decade ago or more had no difficulty whatsoever with the claim that Trans people were the targets of Nazi violence and oppression and would all have agreed about the damage done to the progress of science represented by the destruction of Magnus Hirschfeld’s work by the Nazis. Indeed any academic who outright denied this would have been exiled from the mainstream of historical scholarship and regarded as a radical and a crank if not an outright ideologue and liar. Flash forward to now and anti-trans hysteria has rotted so many people’s minds so thoroughly that this particular aspect of revisionism can be widely treated as credible. It’s a sign of social regression.
Hirschfield's work wasn't destroyed but rather incorporated into Nazi experimentation when transfered to North America and the UK via Operation Paperclip. This is well known within military-intelligence circles.
That's also why you can't call for a boycott unless it's centralized. Otherwise, it looks bad on your part. Not only are you going to look like a villain to proper villains but they'll villainize your call for a better world. A lot of people still don't understand how this works against them and it needs to be said.
I can still enjoy it while hating the person who made it. You can’t just suddenly stop liking something, because then you are in denial about it. The films in particular were made by a vast number of different people so they aren’t even by her, just adapted from her works
@@ToxicTurquoise454 so......there are things you said there which are blatantly wrong. And I'm in the boat of Enders Game being my favorite book, and it has been my favorite book since I first read it in my formative years. It's the only book by Orson Scott Card I can stomach reading, knowing his beliefs and whom he donates politically to. That being said, JK Rowling had a HUGE hand in the Harry Potter movies. They didn't call her up, offer her money for the rights, then not speak to her again until the premiere. She was intricately involved. Every step of the way.
yes! this, thank you, this! Like, if you're speaking of analysis and interpretation, by all means, separate art and artist. If you want to argue that Pride and Prejudice is about North American politics and penguin courting practices? Genuinely, sincerely, do your best and enjoy yourself. But when you are supporting the work of a creator who is able to receive either money or cultural clout from your support of the work, you have to decide - with yourself - what you can and cannot support, and accept that others may judge you for what you're apparently willing to support. So if you're knowingly supporting terf-wizard-lady, then yeah, I will judge you and your choice
The thing with late 19th and early 20th century famous people is its not unusual to find problematic aspects of people who are otherwise incredibly based. Like, the baseline for people back then was 'hey lets use laudanum as medicine and arsenic as makeup this will have zero downsides." Its OK to hold up the positive aspects of historical figures and keep the negative ones in mind at the same time.
This. Being very progressive *for the time* is something people keep in mind. Lincoln freed the slaves but still held some pretty racist beliefs himself. Teddy Roosevelt was badass crusher of monopolies and genuinely looked out for the people when it came to safety and regulation of business practices especially when it came to food, but he was also a colonialist.
Hirschfeld definitely had biases due to his position in society, no surprise there. But what gets me is the accusation "he was looking for sperm cells in lesbians". One of his theories was that gayness was caused by some sort of hermaphrodism, so for example gay women having some genetically male aspects. Today we know that that's wrong, ofc. But he did not - he was a pioneer on this kind of research! So they basically ACCUSE HIM OF DARING TO FACT-CHECK A FAULTHY THESIS 🤦♂️ No wonder they don't like fact-checking
Exactly. It should be clear that people didn't arrive to the current - no matter how correct - position on race and gender in one big leap. That would be impossible. There's a lot of people who challenged some of the previous beliefs & got us closer to today's stand, but still held other beliefs that were since rejected. It should be common sense. After all, research on sexuality and gender (maybe even on race) is nowhere near finished. It's pretty likely that some of the statements of current progressives will be eventually recognized as incorrect and harmful in some way. I firmly believe that you should give people in the past some grace because you will want people in the future to give the same grace to you.
The upside is that we got a really thorough discussion of the impact of the Holocaust on the German trans community at the time, which is something that is lacking often! Thanks
@@jwynand9964honestly it'd probably be best for them if they associate with her as little as possible, sort of "throw your crazy mom into the nursing home before she starts ruining your resume" situation
One day someone's going to have write an essay on the effects of transphobia on the human brain, because there is something about it that destroys people's personalities. I've been online for well over a decade now and meet a lot of people who are bad, terrible, stupid or just down right werid, but most, if not all of them, had lives and hobbies beyond that. Transphobes on the other seem to end centering their whole life around hating transgender people, to the exclusion and detriment of everything else. It's both fascinating and horrifying all at once.
I've seen this to be sadly true. A close friend jumped on the TERF train and her personality withered into a bad gollum impersonation. It really was horrifying to watch.
I think it has to do with taking on beliefs that go against reality, causing the believer to dig in their heels more to protect their sense of self. This makes a feedback loop of believing something incorrect, denying reality, taking on more incorrect beliefs to not have to face the cognitive dissonance and repeat until your view of reality is completely delusional
The further right you move politically, the more of a Cult mentality you develop. You get pushed away by friends, family, supporters, and fans until all you have left is the bigots you've aligned yourself with. Should you then choose to leave that Cult, you are essentially starting over with no one either side willing to give you a chance anymore. Isolation and dependance are the bread and butter of cults, and extremist far right bigotry works in much the same way.
It’s such a pernicious tactic. They start with denying the book burning, and retreat to specific claims about there being no laws referencing trans people, or demanding the names of specific trans people who were persecuted. Fascism targets the most marginal first. It’s hardly surprising that the smaller, more marginal groups, that barely even have a name at that point, are small in number, and have less documentary evidence. To use that scarcity to cast doubt on the whole is definitely in the holocaust denial playbook.
Absolutely this. I can't read her mind, but her behavior is exactly what you'd expect if she was going step-by-step through the "How to Slow-Roll Holocaust Denial" manual.
Plus, it's easier to make homeless people disappear from history. Same with people who are no longer in contact with their biological families. And unemployed people, and sex workers. 😥😭
This woman is so ironically self-righteous and confident in her bigotry, I just.... I guess what I am asking is, how can you type this and not stop to check ANY source?
@@jekblom123 _noun a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group_ How do you figure?
@@kelleygreengrassyes we all know youre very happy that trans kids will off themselves. dont play ignorant victim thats what you want. also its were*, genius
@@alexhauser5043they marked homosexuals with pink triangles, that seems pretty systematic, no? It’s just that it’s harder to keep track of gay people because many of them can and will force themselves deep in the closet to protect themselves.
18:18 Good news: Dora survived! It was recently discovered that she relocated to Bohemia and died some thirty years later. This means that both the first trans man and the first trans woman to transition surgically outlived the entire Nazi regime.
Voldemort is commonly called "wizard Hitler" cuz he's a race supremacist who believes in blood purity while not fulfilling his own criteria. It's ironic that Rowling is now denying the Holocaust when she clearly drew from it to make the general conflict of the Wizarding World
Wizard Hitler was always Grindlewald because the big fight that was alluded to in the books happened around WWII. Everyone was so curious to know how that played into WWII and assumed he probably worked with the Nazis. Cut to Fantastic Beast 2 where we find out that Wizard Hitler became Wizard Hitler to... *checks notes* stop actual Hitler. Meaning the "good guys" stopped him and still allowed the atrocities of WWII to happen despite having advanced warning and a chance to alter the course of events. Great writing choices there, Joanne.
She pretended to be a man and wrote a novel about men dressing in women's clothing and preying on women. She seems to protect her vile views into her villains or lives vicariously through them.
Oh, I remember hearing (so citation needed) that she's tried saying since that the Death Eaters are like the trans community, because, to paraphrase, "well they spent all this time apparently hiding their beliefs, and now they're coming out of the shadows enforce to assert themselves on the political world". She basically compared trans people to her nazi allegory for saying "we're here, we're queer, get used to it", apparently.
as an aside, very tired of how people drag autistic people into things like this. Rowling doing it is particularly gross, considering her history of using (trans) autistic people as arguing points for her TERF ideology.
God, right? The trans conspiracy is a plot to sterilize autistic people? Like, as soon as you tell them you're trans and autistic, they REFUSE to sterilize you.
This exactly. It’s exhausting to continually see people outside our community try to use the shield of ‘advocating for the poor little autistics’ to speak over autistic people and push agendas that directly harm a large number of us.
You mean to tell me that the woman who hangs around the group of people infamous for spewing nazi rethoric, being supported by nazis and downplaying nazism did a downplaying of nazism? Who could have seen this one coming?
@@matthewvalente5877 You are wrong and contributing to nazi genocide which includes a group you claim to be part of. Stop arguing under false pretenses and listen to the facts.
She also threatened to take someone to court for saying she was a Holocaust denier, but I can't find the Tweet. She really is the most vile and vicious bigot I've ever come across and I'm ashamed to have previously looked up to her. Great video as per usual, Caelan!
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Every time I see the name of she who must not be named, I think to myself, "Oh goddess, what has that bozo done now?" Am I shocked? Nope. She's got a long history of backing herself into corners, from Hermione's alleged racial ambiguity to literally anything she's tweeted about sex &/or gender. At this point, she's just playing the hits.
Agreed! I'm getting a little bit short of patience for people suggesting that JK is "finally" going mask off re: her views on trans people, because she made herself clear from the start. Her language may be more raw and unrefined, and more harshly issued, but her nasty, vicious views have likely been constant for many years. She just lacked the confidence to be forthright about them.
@@inthedriversseat928 I don't think it's to say that she's been particularly quiet about it for the past few years, but her previous rants aren't the easiest thing to explain to the less-socially aware and less-trans positive people around us. Like if I wanted to explain this stuff to my folks before, I had to get into a lot of biological science and social science and politics that I don't fully understand, and there's also a bunch of whataboutism involved. But this is a level of blatant that most people would find hard to miss. This is so loudly bigoted that it's an outright crime in the parts of Europe that are better than Honk Honk Clown Island, where she and unfortunately I live.
@@inthedriversseat928 At this point, I would straight up laugh at anyone who says JK has "finally" gone mask off. Like babe, I think you skipped a few years.
There's a handy one-step guide to whether calling a thing Nazi apologia is hyperbole: if some of the people defending the thing are doing so by saying "see, the Nazis were right" it is not hyperbole
I feel the need to point out that the burning of Hirschfeld's work wasn't a violation of the laws of war, and therefore isn't a war crime. It, instead, is a violation of the Rome Statute and constitutes a crime against humanity. Which is worse.
@@Kango252 It is, yes. It also violated the conventions established in preparation for the Nuremburg Trials, but as I'm a modern-day combatant and not a 1940s one, I'm familiar with the Rome Statute.
@@vladtairov2721 So something that happened in the 1930's was illegal because it says so in two different things that didn't exist yet? Also book burning is not a crime against humanity it is censorship.
@@Kango252 Ethics and material harm go beyond legality, and by your logic the Nuremburg trials were illegitimate. The destruction of human knowledge, of cultural knowledge, and of medical knowledge is a crime against humanity.
Although, since these events were solved by a war the Nazis started, all their crimes became war crimes, ex-post-facto, according to modern German courts.
Matt Walsh is to my knowledge the only conservative who has acknowledged the existence of Magnus Hirschfeld. Naturally, he agrees with the Nazis on his work.
Unfortunately it’s Matt Walsh and he is one of the worst homophobes on the internet (o can’t wait until he is exposed, since the biggest homophobes tend to be gay themselves and they hate themselves for that
Oh look. Example #3737827437 of leftists and other sane people saying “this is going to happen”, everyone else calling us stupid/crazy, and then that very thing we said would happen, happening.
Honestly this whole thing was so fucking wild. Literally 5 seconds of Google was all it would have taken for her to not do this. I appreciate how the Hirschfeld Institute is not widely known outside of LGBT circles, but fuck Joanne check your sources before telling someone to check their sources.
Here's the thing. Any source that validates the mere existence of trans people is automatically "invalid" because to her mind trans people .... aren't valid. Any source that supports the persecution of trans people is also "invalid" because you can't persecute a group that doesn't exist. Any source she finds that contradicts that narrative of invalidness is explained away with dark money and TRA pandering or whatever else excuse they use to brush away facts and history. At this point I'm sure Google has given up with her and just takes her straight to page 17 of search results. Even algorithms get tired.
Five seconds of googling would also show that genocides of non-Jews by the Nazis were not technically part of the Holocaust itself, which specifically and solely refers to the genocide of Jews. Arguably more Slavs died in non-combat situations during WW2 that Jews, but that doesn't make their deaths part of the Holocaust.
@@garrett2439 Technicall yes, but honestly, speaking from a German perspective (Not a jewish one tho, mind you), i wouldnt give anyone grieve for using it colloquialy for s simple reason: If you list every group the Nazis systematically tried to eradicate, we would be Here all day. You have Roma communities (Im using it as a catchall for all types of traveller Communities), jewish Communities, mentally disabled people, physically disabled people, gay and queer people, political activists who were Just lumped into any of the above categories to make it easier to arrest them... "Antisocials", which could be really anything, Jehovas witnesses... And then towards the end poles, prisoners of war. Yes, technically Holocaust Just refers to the jewish Communities in this list but for this comment sections i think we can give the OP a pass
Yet... She will be soon enough. Some ideologies swallow people whole, terfdom is of that wholly for us or wholly against us stripe. I think that's a big part of their projection of group think on trans activists and allies.
Eventually, she’ll realize she can't deny what happened to trans people during the holocaust So, she will either have to apologize or double down And we all have seen what she does when she’s cornered
Considering she wrote the screenplay for crimes of Grindelwald and decided to have it so Grindelwald is trying to prevent the holocaust when he's meant to be a magical parallel of the third reich she's incredibly close to that point. At the very least she may believe the holocaust was part of God's design and wishes to deny any of the darker reality of war took place.
Dolores Umbridge was a victim of misogyny, being crucified by the woke wizarding elite, simply for having a few reasonable concerns about the threat posed to wizards of pure blood, and finding cause for doubt about the return of the Dark Lord. What was she supposed to do, not torture students or put people on trial for their blood status?
Dolores Umbridge was the victim of misogyny, crucified by the woke wizarding elite, just for having a few reasonable concerns about the threats posed to wizards of pure blood, and finding cause for doubt about the return of the Dark Lord. What was she supposed to do, not put wizards on trial over their blood status? Not torture children? Think of the children
Dolores Umbridge was the victim of misogyny, villified by the woke wizarding elite, just for having a few reasonable concerns about the threated posed to wizards of pureblood, and finding cause for doubt about the return of the Dark Lord. What was she supposed to do, not put wizards on trial over their blood status? Not torture children? Think of the children
People throw out, "They were a eugenicist," as a catch all for any person in history that they want to deride. To be clear, eugenics is horrible, both from a philosophical point of view and scientifically. It was also _very_ polular in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. You'd have a tough time finding any renowned scientist of the time who didn't have some connection to or point of agreement with eugenic concepts. Detractors existed but eugenics was broadly considered an at least reasonably debateable idea. It was only after the Nazis' attrocities that eugenics really fell out of favour in science. Did Hirshfeld hold with some eugenic beliefs? Yep. And so did the majority of the scientific community until the late 1920's. It doesn't make it okay but it does put Hirschfeld in the context of his times. A time when virtually every western government was engaging in some aspect of eugenics, openly and purposefully, at a social, medical, or scientific level. These countries include but are not limited to: the US, Sweden, Canada, Brazil, and France. Oh and the United Kingdom where the idea originated, promoted by many very famous Britons including none other than Winston Churchill.
here in Sweden trans people were forced to sterilize themselves up until.... 2013 i think? and in Finland it was llike a year ago. yes, eugenics has been a huge part of science for a long time
Yup these people act like a majority of famous american scientists of the time weren't prolific racists and eugenicists. I recently learnt that the definition of 'crimes against humanity' were put specifically in the context of wartime and 'waging aggressive war' at the Nuremberg trials to avoid incriminating the US's treatment of black people and the Soviets treatment of their citizens. Hypocrites, all of Axis powers. Doesn't lesser the Nazi war crimes, I'm just mad people don't recognise it and are trying to erase history that makes them uncomfortable. History should make you uncomfortable, lest we repeat it.
And it's worth noting that eugenics are still considered acceptable to a certain degree. Especially in cases of unfortunate pregnancies. If you know your child is going to be severly disabled it's usually considered ok to abort them Or you might be a carrier of a nasty genetic disease and decide to not risk it and have no babies Obviously those are much more morally gray situations than, idk, forceful sterilization of indigenous people. At the same time it's worth to remember that this kind of ideas float freely in out society Would it be ok to abort only a slightly disabled foetus? What about eliminating "queer genes"? Certain genetic disorders cause a lot of suffering but how much of the suffering is caused by the disorder itself and how much by the society's reaction to it. Having red hair could result in high sicide rates if red heads were persecuted. Would it be reasonable then to not want to pass genger genes to the next generation?
I recently started reading "The Pink Triangle: The Nazi War Against Homosexuals" by Richard Plant and I have to put it down after every chapter or two because that shit is way too much... The Rohm Affair... just terrifying shit. Solidarity to all minorities and oppressed people! ✊
@@matthewvalente5877 Autistic person here. Being autistic is no excuse for anything you're doing, and you don't get to use ableism as a shield to hide behind from this very very VERY well-deserved criticism.
Kind of for me too, but I still appretiate harry potter, because harry potter was literally a book about different minority, poor kids rebelling against fascists who were trying to take over the government. So she JK Rowling is actually betraying her own story there. The actors, the story and its audience are actual progressive anti-fascists. She sadly has dedicated her life to aid fascism. Peak irony
@@leparfumdugrosboss4216 Considering what the response was to her books that weren't HP under a pseudonym, probably not even that. Starting to seem like she managed to just barely get a coherent story out that got enough publicity that its flaws were overlooked at the time cuz it was getting kids to read.
@@redkingrauri3769 as far as kids books go the Harry Potter series was pretty solid IMHO. Also aside from obvious shortcomings, like "the bad guys are racist, but the muggles are objectively inferior to the wizards so in a way they're justified 😅" i feel like her heart was in a good place _at the time_ . Obviously by now transphobia has rotten her brain to the point that she can't even pass herself as a writer. 😩
In hindsight, this move shouldn't have come as a surprise to anyone. Joanne does not like being contradicted or criticized. Considering that she went after the HP fansite Diagon Alley and had it shut down, I can't help but wonder if she ever truly respected her fans, especially those inspired to create their own fanfic and fan art. I won't ask if Joanne can sink any lower. She can, and odds are, she will. What next? An interview with Lauren Witzke? A lunch at Mar-a-Lago with Nick Fuentes as her plus one? The mind reels...
it's so fascinating to watch a person go down the alt right pipeline in real time. i'm predicting that she will be vague tweeting about the new world order and cultural marxism by 2026
Dril should be taken as a prophet of the times - back in 2018 he tweeted "highly recommend getting off rhe JK Rowling train before it inevitably reaches the "H!tler was a good guy" stop".
He was and is right. Even before this latest string of Holocaust revisionism, she's been hanging out with people on the far right for years. Parker ring a bell?
As a german i think its sad how: 1) we learn a LOT about the holocaust (like every year from seventh grade onwards in history class) but i never heard about this. We always studied how the nazis rose to power and their crimes on the jews but nothing further than that. We learn that gay and disabled people were in camps but nothing about trans people. We also visited a camp where we learned more about gay people but never coverage of trans folks etc And two how few german newspapers are actually covering this. So far i found no articles of major newspapers and only two in general, one of them being a news website focused on LGBTQ+ news in general
After all the problems with plagiarism RU-vidrs have been having the last few months, it is really refreshing to see someone do citations CORRECTLY. I really appreciate how clean and organized their citation list is, and how they CLEARLY indicate which part of the video was sourced by which source. I know this isn’t something I should be impressed by, but it’s nice to see and it makes fact checking easy. Thank you for doing the research and citing it correctly.
Anyone who continues to financially support the Harry Potter franchise is willingly turning a blind eye to the fact that it’s creator is a hateful cultist
@@matthewvalente5877 ^_^ What is the significance of making this distinction? It was still research that because it was destroyed caused a setback in the field of understanding transness...
@@matthewvalente5877 That's just plain incorrect then, because a sufficiently long research paper or set of medical records could easily be colloquially understood as a 'book' due to their length or trying to be brief when explaining the situation (why specify the types of papers when you could call it all books). Tl;dr: Your proposed technicality is stupid because it obviously isn't what she meant. JK Rowling isn't the riddler, she's a transphobe.
@@matthewvalente5877 I'm also autistic and I think you're not doing any good defending Rowling like this. Sorry if it was shitty of me but I feel like you should at least try to understand why burning books is terrible and can set back progress on a field by decades.
When someone moves a goalpost and makes a strawman argument only to STILL be proven wrong on both said strawman and their original point, I like to call that "Erecting a scarecrow only to have it fall on you".
Bingo. They call us offended as they get into a hissy fit over the historical fact that LBGTQ+ people have existed literally since the beginning of recorded history.
Arguing against scientific research by calling the person that did that research a racist is my favorite move by people who want to deny science. Young earth creations do that with Charles Darwin all the time.
I think it's a symptom of them nihilistically believing anti-racism activism to be a lie that "works." So they think if they parrot our language, it'll work for them too, lol.
Discussions about the racism in science absolutely have their place in academic discourse - just not when it’s used to try to excuse Holocaust revisionism and evolution denial.
@@Acidfrog475 I absolutely agree with you. I was just pointing out that calling a researcher racist (even if that is correct) doesn't actually dispute their research. And also that they definitely don't care whether or not Magnus Hirschfeld was racist, because they will align themselves with actual modern-day racists because they agree on this issue.
@@asquirreltv And I wasn’t disagreeing with you, either. You are absolutely correct about how bigots do not actually care about those researchers’ biases. However, I did want to clarify for others potentially reading your comment. I wanted to write my reply as “supplementary materials”, almost. Hope that cleared it up.
43,036,721 = 3^16. Assume you have sixteen characteristics and for each characteristic there were three options, this would mean there are 43,076,721 combinations of those 16 characteristics. That would be ny guess as to what appears to be a strange number of different types of human sexuality. Magnus Hirschfeld probably published this in a book, oh hold on...
Caelan, I really wish I could support you but I'm living below the poverty line. Instead I try to comment to encourage those pesky bots to boost your visibility. We are all very lucky to have you as part of our wonderful community.
Wow! You mean Hirschfeld was an actual human being with conflicting beliefs both ahead of and endemic to his times and had good and bad ideas like the entirety of humanity does, and therefore denying and/or supporting the Nazi’s destruction of his library is wrong whether or not he was an entirely perfect person is bullcrap? The more you know … (insert rainbow star).
For anyone wanting a good fantasy read with wizards, orcs, goblins, dwarves & humans to replace HP in their life then I can't recommend the Discworld books by Sir Terry Pratchett enough. I never stop recommending Monstrous Regiment, it features a young woman named Polly who disguised herself as a man so she can join the army in the hope of finding her brother who went to war & never returned (the ending always makes me happy cry). There's lots and lots of her fearing she'd be found out & it makes for a great allegory for the trans experience such when her packer (rolled up socks) starts to slide down her leg. The description of her practicing to walk like a man cracks me up every time I read it because the muscular confusion makes her somersault into a holly bush, back when I was trying to stay in the closet walking like a man was something I tried to do & I frequently tripped from the muscular confusion. I know many in the trans community who are STP fans & wherever we fall on the gender spectrum most of us find the book very relatable in our own unique ways. The Dwarves in his books eventually become a vehicle for challenging sex & gender stereotypes. His books are full of humour that doesn't punch down & his advocacy for equality & tolerance beams out of those pages like a giant searchlight
I always enjoyed the aesthetic of Hogwarts and the Wizarding World more than the story and characters tbh. I used to have vivid dreams where I lived at Hogwarts, but none of them involved real characters from the books or storylines. I did go to classes, but they were easy and mostly covered theory. I remember one dream about going to Divination and seeing things in people's coffee grounds and tea leaves. It was magical, and I wished I could live there in real life. That kinda fucked me up for a while, because it was quite a strong desire. The stories were derivative and the dialogue was stilted and unnatural. There were tons of spelling mistakes on 1st editions, despite thorough work by an editor. There were plot holes and unanswered questions. Joanne is, at best, a mediocre writer who managed to inject magic into a world that is full of unfairness and inequality, is for some reason not diverse, and would probably actually suck to have to live in for reals. She did get a whole generation of kids reading, and she should be celebrated for that achievement, but her work since then has declined in popularity and seems to mostly appeal to people who agree with her disgusting views on trans people, and even features a transvestite character who dresses as a woman in order to commit sexual assaults against women, which Rowling claims happens in real life. Another of her Strike series featured a self-insert character who was being accused of racism and transphobia, which is hilarious to me. She pretended to be a man to sell copies of a book and now she criticises other people for "pretending to be the opposite sex". She's showing signs of serious mental breakdown and I hope she gets some help soon.
It was just a remix of 'The Worst Witch' with a male lead instead of a female. And someone told me recently that the Harry Potter character was just a rip off from 'Troll'. This woman's ideas are totally unoriginal. 🤷🏾♀️
It heavily follows the Lord of the Rings template. As does Star Wars and Christopher Paolini's Eragon. Do a Google search of "Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Harry Potter" to see graphics of them all in cumparison. Both Rowling and Paolini wrote stories after their hit series, and they're abysmal. It shows they have no real original ideas and they're both back writers who write stories full of plot holes and unanswered questions.
I’m glad this video is up with all of the receipts and citations because Rivkah Brown had to delete her tweet and apologize to JK Rowling, which most likely, Rowling threatened her with a libel lawsuit. Rowling is lucky to have lots of money to threaten people with lawsuits and lawyers, because though she may lose an argument on twitter, she can just keep throwing money at the problem until it goes away.
I don't think any cisgender or white person is unless they've proven theyre not on all facets, life experience as an lgbt black American has taught me this lesson time and time again
I think we can argue to some extent she was a progressive force(tho in a very passive way). I think what happened is that progressivism always changes/advances over time. And she was unwilling to leave the bubble she made for herself in the previous era, which radicalized her even more.
So if you met a white transgender lesbian that grew up in poverty you wouldn't believe them when they say they're progressive? Just because they're white? Or if you met a black cisgender lesbian you wouldn't believe her either. Jeeez you're paranoid.@@Rosemary46840
Transphobia is being utilised as a polical recruitment tactic for facist movements across the world. Its so kind of Joanne to be such an incredible case study of this phenomenon.
It's kinda crazy how she went from "It didn't happen" to "Okay, It DID happen, but it was a good thing that it did." JKR is the very definition of too far gone.
I think the thing that doesn't get brought up nearly enough is that, given the context of the time, it makes perfect sense for a sexuality scientist to test if people, who we would now call cisgender and gay, were actually some flavour of intersex: because back then, "homosexuality" was framed as "inversion", a kind of intersex condition of the brain. If you were a man and you were attracted to other men, it must be because you had a female brain, and vice versa; there are arguments that the term "bisexuality" also comes from this idea, as in, if you're attracted to men AND women then you must internally be both male and female (and, of course, that your male side is what makes you attracted to women, and vice versa). Under the theory of Inversion, gay and trans people are essentially the same thing: because men are always only attracted to women (and vice versa), a man being attracted to other men MUST be a sign that, despite being born male, he must be a woman. Now, we can look at this and claim that it's a load of bollocks, that it's based on the most extreme form of heterosexist "logic", and 100-ish years later, yeah, it's pretty shit...but we can't argue that this was at a time where being gay or trans were, in and of themselves, treated as "differences in sexual development" (the fancy medical term for intersex conditions). I can fully understand why Hirchfeld would be testing for other "signs" or "differences", because, well, he was a scientist testing a theory. If the theory is "all cis gay men are actually intersex and are partly biologically female", then you can't just write it off without testing it first, that's not abiding by the scientific method - yeah, you might get the result "of course they bloody aren't, you nobhead, I suppose in other news water is still wet!" but at least you have that result. I'd rather they took the theory seriously enough to do research about it than dismiss it, despite it being the "common knowledge" of the time, you know?
I understand why people thought that. There's still a stereotype that all gay men are effeminate and that all lesbians are butch. Plus, when someone sees a very effeminate man or a very butch woman, the assumption is that they're queer, right? That would lead to a generalization that gayness and being similar to "the opposite gender" are the same thing.
If I had to be grateful to my Christian mother for ANYTHING (which isn't alot), its never letting me read Harry Potter and thus never giving this woman a single cent.
