J. Krishnamurti and Huston Smith - Authority is destructive - Claremont 1968

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J. Krishnamurti - Claremont 1968 - Conversation with Huston Smith - Authority is destructive
Summary:
Sanity is order. This order comes about naturally, without any effort, if we understand disorder.
Action can only take place when you see actually the nature of disorder in one's own life, which is causing such havoc. What you are, you project in the world.
Observation through an image is a wastage of energy, and you need energy to change 'what is'.
How is one to live a life that is completely orderly, without any contradiction?
Order doesn't exist within the field of consciousness.
You can only look completely if your mind is quiet.
Is there something which is not put together by the mind, by thought, by imagination? Is there something which is not measurable, which man has been seeking for thousands and thousands of years?
Q: If I am free of fear and my mind is quiet, would I be looking for anything?
What is the machinery that forms the image?
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@bobsarfatty4673 2 года назад

It's amazing how many people have never heard of this great man.

@guud 2 года назад

@@georgeeskiadis5637 sure, but I would say comment was on general population, censorship on him, not letting his life to be well known among others who didnt say do or even think remotely like K with such truth to be spread. we got everythign else indeed, for you or him or even me, it is easy. shame..

@rahul30393 2 года назад

The misery of man!

@karanagrawal8499 Год назад

Real knowingly suppression

@linettewhite2122 Год назад

It appears to have been a secret

@kathleenc8810 Год назад

It may be because most people don't get his teaching and/or don't care enough to keep trying to understand and they are content with easy answers.

@mikibrevi 2 года назад

" The How should never enter into the mind!" Best teacher of the last 200 years!!

@kozisix 2 года назад

Feel like encaging in a conversation of the quote that struck you?

@linettewhite2122 Год назад

Brilliant 👏

@travelwithabishek2868 3 года назад

His works are much needed now more than ever amidst the Gurus of these days ! Thanks to the foundation for keeping his works alive.

@elamaru9355 2 года назад

which i heard one say more or less that he is too intelectual and even out of the path a bit Which now that i understand him is not true

@DihelsonMendonca 11 месяцев назад

😂😂😂 Some years ago, I watched this interview, and I felt myself so stupid, because I didn't understand a thing. So, I began studying Krishnamurti, and his thousands of videos. And I finally got it. Today I revisited this video, and I understood it perfectly. I feel pity for the interviewer, because he's not understanding K. He tries to approach it intellectually, and it's all so simple. What makes difficult is only the way that Krishnamurti uses the words. He's very precise in using every word. He's brilliant and he's struggling to make the man understand the most basic principles. 🎉🎉❤❤❤

@friendsnote.1013 3 месяца назад

That’s good. 👍 Now you have to even drop his “teachings” and find the truth yourself. If not, we will be also based on his authority. Great blessings my friend. 🙌.

@ellechi7337 2 года назад

Watching K talks is always fascinating. We can feel his strong passion 💙

@peymanazad7144 9 месяцев назад

this conversation is a miracle for the awakening of man. this is really a masterpiece . K is love. K is sun. we should listen to this for many times to understand totally what it means and then you are free for whole life.. K is a gift of universe.

@TheCoin100 7 месяцев назад

in all honesty he would probably get agitated and tell you to f off and stop worshipping him if you said this to him.. i'm not trying to be hurtful, so don't take offense pls, i'm just being honest abt what i think

@lynnstarkey8487 5 лет назад

The cognitive block in Professor Smith was completely challenged... yet he was aware enough to see ( what is) in this respect: when he replied to Krishnaji by saying...." this is a hard teaching".....the beauty of this meeting and that it is on film is priceless, and the utter truth about the false is apparent, and that fact left alone..can reveal the truth about the Truth....I am simply grateful.

@slavomirakrasna2111 3 года назад

Gosh, obe learns something new every day. So the truth is not enough, now there has to be the truth about the truth itself🙄

@unusualpond 3 года назад

It’s remarkable how difficult the prof finds it to accept that the desire to solve the problem of fear stands in the way of learning about fear. It’s basic science that the experiment must be undertaken without an expected outcome.

@eastwood1941 2 года назад

"The craving for authority derives from fear." How true, and so relevant to these craven, fear-ridden Covid times.

@anonymous12726 Год назад

Every time I watch this video, in particular, I always see something new, I am completely listening with all of my body. Jiddu has a remarkable way of conveying what he means through the most simplest word forms as well as how he uses his body to personify his feelings through what he is saying, so he is not only saying the things, but acting it out physically because he is feeling what he is saying in relation to what he is saying. It's like watching a master paint a beautiful portrait. He is using all of his intelligence in one time. At once. Purely amazing....

@oziologyify 4 года назад

This is beautiful.

@abhi0227 4 года назад

Such a beautiful talk. Thank you for sharing.

@marinorizzi2049 4 года назад

Merci

@melvandusen1924 3 года назад

Brilliant and beautiful and hilarious and ridiculous. K's teaching has never been more clear. Smith has unintentionally brought out the best in K, but can't see it.

@slavomirakrasna2111 3 года назад

Had no idea K was giving his second best on other occasions🤔

@aarushrathore1276 2 года назад

@@slavomirakrasna2111 woah!!!

@ritesharora6032 2 года назад

@@slavomirakrasna2111 what do u mean ?

@amandeepkaursohal548 3 года назад

Unbelievable and mesmerizing.

@kamaurahamukti5919 8 месяцев назад

just BRILLIANT ✨✨✨, where Krishnamurti is coming from and getting at. just the other man remains blocked in his intellect, thus not allowing intelligence to come through. Thank you for posting the conversation. greetings from Kenya 🙏🏽😇🇰🇪

@yogi5573 2 года назад

One of the sayings of JK which ultimately is so true 'Silence stops the time'

@webfmags Месяц назад

kj speaking is truly beautiful, what a vision!

@Gaurav.P0 3 года назад

Wonderful conversation 😍 Comments section here are full of judgments towards JK and interviewer. I think, interviewer has given his best. Look at your conditioning before judging some one.

@lex.cordis 2 года назад

In what way was this a "conversation"?

@danielu1763 2 года назад

So your judgement is that we should stop judging. Thank you.

@trewthhip-hop1858 2 года назад

Huston Smith did exactly what he was meant to do as did J.K. absolutely phenomenal

@DihkFace_Mcghee Год назад

Smith was trying to trap k into his smiths owns versions. Tricky tricky. K would never get trapped by your deceptions.

@scottyben191 2 года назад

Krishnamurti is amazing. This deserves many more views. His books are excellent btw!

@errol-ih4jy 4 года назад

an intellectual, can never understand Krishnamurti, because that intellect is his barrier to the truth, this is the case with Huston Smith.

@maxims086 4 года назад

a man is his own obstacle

@tonyxparker 3 года назад

@@theemiddleone yea he did try and thats the point he didn't give his total attention to the way . His thoughts were in conflict . The barrier was his thought .

@aman.kataria 3 года назад

We are all speculating, the truth is we all know nothing.

@sofiray987 3 года назад

this guy not human

@Tea-tl2pv 2 года назад

Not necessarily intellect being barrier I would also say a lack Of humility and more importantly just plain honesty. Difficult to grapple with Truth - as is - which is what JK dishes out. Not intellectual mind games as he himself said. Either you want to Understand or not ...IMHO

@Inner-wellbeing 2 года назад

Few people could understand JKM- he was ahead of his time, a pioneer of the “enlightenment revolution.” He was absolutely wonderful.

@linettewhite2122 Год назад

Disagree, I understood his every word so many could understand if it was presented by himself very elementary

@quemaravilha 3 года назад

What a mind! ❤️

@maracummings9767 Год назад

What great talk! Thank you for sharing it with us!

@randomawareness5952 2 года назад

Thank you for not making it short as 30 min ❤️

@mkc0321 3 года назад

What amazing conversation

@clodhopper-dodo 2 года назад

I am truly blessed. Find a great significance of life with complete freedom

@kathleenc8810 3 года назад

I don't think K was trying to throw Smith off balance, like Smith thought, I think Smith wasn't understanding him, because what K said made sense to me. It took me awhile to get to a place where I could understand him.

@vimalsingh3566 2 года назад

I dont know how to put it, but let me try. Seeing just a tiny little bit of what JK is showing us. I can say that he was so radical, its hard to imagine how brilliant a mind his was. Seeing te world through his eyes must be so so lovely. We cannot imagine that. But its for all of us to see, to taste , to smell. Only if we endeavour. I will ...

@linettewhite2122 Год назад

You nailed it 👏

@kamesh7818 4 года назад

Thank you for sharing such a wonderful discussion. I ponder - Is intellect a pompous way to obscure essence of being.

@Tea-tl2pv 2 года назад

Well said!

@originalandrewmark 2 года назад

Seems Dr. Smith demonstated this at HIS astonishment clearly visible.

@inspiregrow2336 2 года назад

Thank you very much for uploading

@mmamassmemoryart2346 5 лет назад

Ooooooo what an energy !!!!!!!

@celinecloutier763 2 года назад

Brilliant attempt speak of the darkness of human mind....🙏

@chandrasekharbhagavatula6706 3 года назад

Thought can never be new…it is a manifestation of the memory

@bodhiheeren 2 года назад

If that's the case how come we are not still living in the Stone Age? Technical inventions, artistic inventions etc. etc. are they not a product of new thoughts?

@vicenciaequ2864 2 года назад

That's so true!

@celebritytrader5353 2 года назад

Booodhi… technical inventions and artistic inventions are creative thoughts, not brand new thoughts which are manifestation of same memory. Thoughts can not exist without memory…Creative thoughts came from the content and different processing of memory.

@ivorybids698 3 года назад

Wow, very good. Thank you so much

@tracnguyenvan7477 2 года назад

That's very wonderful ! Thank you very much !

@nightdruid540 3 года назад

the loveliest conversation :'))

@solomit1 4 года назад

This conversation is great it shows difficulty of the intellect which is heavily conditioned to grasp understand truth that is why we are in such a mess

@rohinir5744 2 года назад

Thankyou a ton j Krishnamurthy foundation

@mohammedirfan8027 3 года назад

Beautiful

@rk18j 2 года назад

This conversation is a very good example intelligence which is conditioned of the past verses the real, the truth

@guud 2 года назад

and now 40y later, war is for real everyday thing that we even don't react on it at all.. consuming war. routine. daily news. thank you on this video :)

@sudarshanbadoni6643 2 года назад

By listening this most complex taking ,wild part of my Gene's told me that in cognitive evolution path fearful rats were first created be consumed by snakes and owl and then fearless cats who occupied top position being " AWARE ALWAYS ALL THE TIME " and strategic as well giving us a chance onwards be called homosapien. Thanks for uploading this seer in his prime and peak performance.

@ritesharora6032 2 года назад

start with his school discussions. they are easy

@aliquran7535 Год назад

Smith is not seen what Jiddu is pointing out, it goes back to conversations on solving fear, how one can solve what he fears? One must face it, if you face fear, it is no longer fear. Jiddu is one of a mirror. ❤

@endingofworldmovies798 Год назад

Yes , we have to face the fear without choice or duality need to walk thought it without creating any conflict then it will become nothing.

@vinp6093 Год назад

Simply Amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!

@daliakrinsky4895 2 года назад

Every word. Truth.

@WesterlyDreamer Год назад

Oh how wonderful!

@folclorescent 2 года назад

Via Negativa: Finding truth thru negations.

@willyheeren4502 4 года назад

Krishnamurti is clear in his opinion that thought is not the way. je present that's the way☺

@wicomms 3 года назад

I get why ppl are upset with Smith. Clearly he wants to be told what to do. He doesn't want to free the mind. But his voice reminds me of the calmness of Carl Sagan. The "how" threw him off.. JK is so right that the how must be put aside.

@uhhdudeuhhwhatsup 4 месяца назад

The discovery of truth is often accidental, never through deliberately seeking it

@maheshn9970 Год назад

Amazing ❤

@divyeshprajapati7624 3 года назад

Intellect is abstract and void is wholeness"

@butterfly.spirit 2 года назад

facing fear, means; you dont have fear from fear...wow!

@tav46254 10 месяцев назад

What did I just listen to! ❤

@r3b3lvegan89 3 года назад

"in science there are no authorities only experts" carl Sagan and Im not even into Sagan much anymore but even he couldn't deny that authority is a construct of the ego

@originalandrewmark 2 года назад

Agreed. However his fiction "Contact" is sublime and the movie even more so.

@flushhh4543 3 года назад

Great interviewer

@phnx4life 11 месяцев назад

I'd say it is...destroying mankind still today.

@bhuwan.chaturvedi 9 месяцев назад

❤

@maaritlaatikainen7419 2 года назад

A light in the darkness. 😃 Words, models and systems may help to see the reality from a new perspective. However, they are not the same as reality, only a pale picture of it. So direct contact with reality, with what is, with facts without any authority, not even with him, is important.

@Ashishization1 4 года назад

So true..sooo true

@MrRoNiGio 3 года назад

Είσαι θεος

@friendsnote.1013 3 месяца назад

I agree with Krishnamurti. Religions in a certain way separate humanity despite its good intent. Why must there be Buddhist, Hindu, Christians and others - that’s fragmentation. The “you” and “me.” Scriptures and books only point the way but they also hinder our finding the truth because this is authority humanity depends and believes it can help them… In sincerity I respect all religions but after listening to Jiddu Krishnamurti I am beginning to see where I am going if I continue to live based on authority, no matter how ancient they are. Krisnanmurti’s message - we even have to drop his teachings to find out ourselves…🙏🙏🙏

@ramborn9 2 года назад

If the video is muted, you’d probably assume that Huston was the man of great spiritual acclaim and that Krishnamurti was the foreigner seeking understanding in strange lands

@sandeeptyagi11101 8 месяцев назад

brilliant

@yeseniareyes09 3 месяца назад

41:36 casual slay by J krishnamurti lol. Love him so much. Rest well ❤

@musto121 2 года назад

JK: What does it mean to learn? HS: Are you asking me? JK: Obviously ....

@viainsight 2 года назад

😆

@quemajor 3 года назад

A confused mind will always go about wandering around

@sherpa-2413 2 года назад

Professor shows very funny face when he says " How ? ? ....... " that very interesting , and that time he think " again again I am repeating how ? " 　he recognize his own thinking way . There is energy . 教授の楽しげな表情また「どうしたら　？？　」を言っているなと気づくその表情が、興味深い。彼は自身の思考に気づいている。そこには活力がある。

@Manuel-zz1nz 3 года назад

Serious and funny talk.

@RaushanKumar-sd5qn Год назад

Legend JK, Interviewer getting Interviewed

@manumaster1990 2 года назад

very nice

@AnthonyHoward-ru8su 8 месяцев назад

There is much that could be said of an individual becoming free from their own inner authority as it is more difficult to grasp as an idea than becoming free from outer authority

@zoojay123 2 года назад

Simply marvelous...one of my favourite talks....💙

@Sunil-zv3gv 4 года назад

47:00 - 50:46 50:47 - 1:01:20 beautiful ✨

@yvesguillaumond 4 года назад

🙏✨

@lmansur1000 2 года назад

EXCELLENT!! I get it!

@mmamassmemoryart2346 5 лет назад

😍 toooooooo much

@Tea-tl2pv 2 года назад

How educative and (tragically) entertaining! A Prof at MIT no less! in Philosophy no less!! But what a divide ...

@ptanji 2 года назад

Yes. The great divide! How refreshing after all these years!

@aek12 3 года назад

slave of words. Indeed

@luffyd.monkey7171 2 года назад

Lots of Krishnamurti fanboys in here dumping on my boy Huston Smith, but I think he pushed back on some important points: namely, the necessity of individuality for true relationship, and getting Krishnamurti to at least admit that we must contend with the past.

@maxims086 4 года назад

the guy is a wordsmith, he's a slave to words

@robbinpapalucas4620 3 года назад

Which guy are you referring too?

@ritchienegrea5779 4 года назад

Wow this guy smith. Was the wrong man to do this interview big time. He was quick to respond which explains that he had no idea what the master is talking about...

@nousnavi2167 2 года назад

Serious confusion of thought. Perhaps, the result of inattention to his own thought process. Holding up the ideal of freedom from authority, Holding up the ideal of observation without justification or condemnation (which is fine), but, then, in the same breath denying that we need any ideals (which results in incoherence). "Can you listen to Huston Smith for once without interrupting him and imposing your confused claims?" is the big question for "K".

@ProfessorBoswell 2 года назад

I think was JK is saying is that ideals imply authority and methods ("how"), which he is arguing against. JK says we cannot deal with violence through the ideal of antiviolence, because the ideal prevents us from looking at violence wholely and thoroughly; antiviolence implies a how/method, which makes things mechanical or reliant on authority, again preventing us from seeing the thing itself (violence in this case). He says we cannot see the thing if we are already concerned with passing through it. Sorry if my explanation is bad, JK seems coherent to me, just trying to put it into words.

@nousnavi2167 2 года назад

@@ProfessorBoswell "the ideal prevents us from looking at violence wholely and thoroughly" How so? Without the ideal of non-violence, you would not even recognize violence as a problem to be eliminated. However, there are different kinds of violence. Some are for self-defense against aggression. They are legitimate. It is a point of elementary rationality that goals require proper means to achieve them. JK has substituted "choiceless awareness" in place of other methods. This is obvious. But "choiceless awareness" (whatever that means - you have to make a choice to be aware of something if you are not already aware of it) is not sufficient to solve a problem. A simple test with any problem will immediately show this truth. You have to Decide that what you are aware of must be overcome (or developed). And, then, you have to adopt proper means to achieve it. The notion that "choiceless awareness" is some kind of a magic wand which will instantaneously dissolve issues of violence, or other problems, is pure fantasy, and a fantasy of lazy minds.

@MikeB-in1nd 2 года назад

Huston had all the knowledge and missed everything K was saying because the knowledge got in the way of seeing

@gagannagpal7558 2 года назад

Why y all criticizing huston ? He wants to learn and is struggling like I am. Krishnamurty might have took several years to realize that.

@kuddychand4872 3 года назад

Very interesting talk by JK... but unfortunately Huston Smith is not willing to empty his own intellectual memory or knowledge or previous recordings in his brain

@ruthnamaste Месяц назад

Huston Smith was definitely a scholar of religious studies and a true gentleman .... Krishnamurti at this point in his life became a contrarian and extremely set in his ways (his ego took over)! One thing is to accept that "authority" is destructive ... and an entirely different thing "as a student of life" to ask for guidance in any particular path one chooses to follow. He's Indian, they have Gurus. Gurus are teachers. Jesus was a teacher (Rabbi) a Guru ... AKA an enlightened being like many others throughout the centuries. Krishnamurti was very bright but refused to embrace anything other than what he deemed "right" (his perspective). Listen to EVERY interview he has ever done. He contradicts and questions inquiries or words used to throw the interviewer off. He always has to be right; hence, why he left the Theosophical Society.

@Njoussama 3 года назад

30:28 To face something implies a mind that does not want to solve the problem of fear.

@alexisbianco158 3 года назад

Good point. I think he meant, a conditioned mind does not want to solve the problem of fear. And the fear is there because the mind is conditioned.

@slavomirakrasna2111 3 года назад

No. He says it is the conditioned mind only that wants to solve any kind of problem.

@edmissonmassingue6140 4 года назад

4:44 through 5:05, K is ranting about his own followers!!! 😂😂😂

@TheMonacarol 3 года назад

❤️❤️

@RohitRaj-vu7yy 11 дней назад

Doesn't fear at the deeper level(unconscious level) implies time. JK is talking about instant awareness of all the fear(surface +deeper level). So doesn't it take time to be aware of all the hidden fears?

@limalongkumer9395 3 года назад

Jk is the most beautiful person in whole universe

@salaiasa-ut5rg Год назад

this man Huston made fun of himself 50% of the interview when his intellect got offended. He says "is there anything interesting we can affirm, (forcefully agree upon with evidence)"..I am shocked