J.P. Moreland - Does a Soul Have an Afterlife? 

😂😂 nailed it.

Excellent..

We're here with you brother. Lol.

Honored to be in your company 😁

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There is only one Soul in the Universe. There is no 'you' or 'me'; all variety is merged into the absolute unity, the one infinite existence - God. Swami Vivekananda

Yes. Then again. Is a raindrop not the ocean?

313 arbitration of sacred spectrum. Each and everyone of you knows exactly what is going on but is playing the game.

@@Micheal313 You are right on the last part. Have you heard about Ludus Amoris?

Contemplation and in depth studies of physics, biology, cosmology and so on. Even then, not everybody gets it. Having a PhD is no guarantee that you understand. Some simple folks without education have a sudden awakening too but for most it is brought on by trauma which makes people stop and think. We don't really think. We are thought things that other people want us to think.

Your question pretty much underscores what philosophy is lol

Ok. What's your explanation of consciousness? I promise not to call it "adorable," though I might if it justifies your own precious view of reality.

@@TheWeslej Consciousness is just the accumulated actions of neurons and chemicals, simple machinery, no ghost in the machine.

@@corytracy8993 Cute answer. Not that there's any truth in it

Exactly. There is only one soul hence the eternal life!

@@sven888 Huh? That’s not an explanation.

@@makeracistsafraidagain Yes it is. E is X so not to be alone. Genesis 2:18 my dear ONE. It's all about LOVE as Jesus says in the NT.

The answer to both of your questions is: Evolution. Btw: Termites create highly complex, air-conditionned cities. And if you listen closely, you can even hear the nightingale performing it's symphony.

@@obiwanduglobi6359 - Perhaps. Micro or macro evo? And yes, termites have even been kind enough to provide my Filipino wife’s relatives’ home in the province with “Aircon” (as they call it), and no electric power is required, so that’s pretty cool. And when the nightingales break out of their same ‘ol same ‘ol performance rut and create some new material - maybe post some RU-vids - announce concert tours and sell tickets, I think we’ll be astonished at their rising popularity. 🤔….but wait….they’re not self-aware (as far as we know) - don’t even know of their mortality and inevitable doom, so they probably don’t give a sh!t about their “music” - they just want to find a mate a get it on. They really can’t help themselves.

@@Farsider3955 The distinction between micro- and macroevolution seems to be important only for creationists? Please prove: Nightingales have no self-awareness.

Are you saying we are one yet different for good reason?

Yes and the so called physical world is mainly empty space!

@@stuford Yes, but what is empty space? Vacuum, what is vacuum? It's not so simple, study quantum field theory. Plus, as stated, the empty space is full of fields. There is one an only one EM field in the universe, believe it or not.

I can understand your point, but it works just as well if you said the same thing and stated there is no soul, based on the same reasoning.

@@dr_shrinker That's fine, no problem with that, this was in response to the argument that is usually made against the soul that it is impossible for non-matter to interact with matter. My point is that whatever matter is, its weird, so anything is possible.

@NotSoGullible Yes, those are alternative meanings but not in the context of persisting after death which is of an entity separate from the physical body.

You are seeing thing the other way around (which is natural as it was designed this way). Absolute truth is quite simple really. All complexity not only emerged from the initial singularity but IS the initial singularity. Hence the teachings of Jesus which center around Love.

@NotSoGullible There is no person nor a "soul". There is an illusion of a self, but that is an emergent phenomena that evaporates at death. But even before death the self and our perception of a self can be eroded, specifically by changes to the physical brain. The idea of a persistent soul is just a myth we dreamt up in an attempt to soothe our fear and despair about our own death and the deaths of those we care about. Enjoy the perceptions we have while we live. It's all we have and all there is.

@NotSoGullible I know Pascal's wager. I'd rather live believing what I understand to be true, than pretend to have faith in what I'm certain is false. If there is a God that holds that against me, then I wouldn't respect or worship it anyway.

@@coachafellaprovide evidence that souls do not exist.

Plato is dead. Long live quantum mechanics (superposition).

@@obiwanduglobi6359 bless your little heart. Superposition is the superstition of the failing Cult of Bouncing Particles. It has too many free parameters, an ever growing list of imaginary particles that have never been directly observed, imaginary dark matter, imaginary dark energy, and it's all built upon unfalsifiable premisses. Superposition is just another self contradicting made-up term used by your religious cult for somethings it doesn't understand. The double slit experiment proves the primacy of consciousness. Matter is defined into existence by collapsing the wave function through observation. Consciousness is primal and matter is emergent. The proof is staring you in the face, but you can't admit it because it has been deemed heresy by the Citadel of Science. This is why the Copenhagen Model of Quantum Mechanics is no longer science. It is a religious cult. And, this channel is polluted with it's cult members.

Thank you for your most thoughtful response. Closer to Truth needs to read this.

He didn’t say it’s analogous to phases of water. He pointed out how water can exist in different states as an example of how other things can exist in different states. That’s not an analogy.

@@rosamorales729 It is.

We’re trying to present the evidence for our beliefs here.

@@makeracistsafraidagain Truth is Self-evident. Besides. And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love. - 1 Corinthians 13:13 NIV. PS: would love to have a beer with you and some good laughs. We are all brothers here. Cheers.

The little toe, which one is a great theological debate.

The whole body.

@@sujok-acupuncture9246 how is that possible? Amputation happens.

It's the other way around really. There is only one Soul or one Self which limits itself as the body so not to be by itself. The purpose of life is love. Cheers brother. Next time around I will buy you a beer.

@@sujok-acupuncture9246 I love your body.

The mind sees differentiation whereas truth is one. However. The purpose why one limits itself as life is love.

J.P. Moreland has said in other places that he believes all conscious animals have souls. He thinks souls are necessary for consciousness.

We all do don't we?

Copium. Homeboy is very much on the wrong side of 70 … … …

Because he articulates flawlessly like a GPT

No, this guy is great and he knows what he is talking about and his thoughts are like a knife!🙃

Hhahaa smug af😂

You know it brother.

It’s just another word for mind/spirit/awareness/self…

There is only one soul. Type in this exact sentence with quotation marks in google. The truth will set you free.

I always find that fascinating, too. People never think to question the very thing they're claiming at the beginning of their premises. They begin as if it's self-evident. It isn't, but somehow their brains are convinced that it's real. I've spoken to people who simply cannot believe that it's any other way, or the souls must exist. But then, when you question that, they are left with an empty sack, begging the question, and falling into circular reasoning.

@@kendrickjahn1261 Exactly! Elves lives are made a misery by ill fitting shoes, the shoe industry point blank refuses to address this issue for purely financial reasons. Greed causes limping agony!

@@mimetype the question is aimed at J.P. Moreland who doesn't deny the existence of a soul to begin with. Thus, the question is not unjustifiably presumptive as you so desperately wish it to be.

You know it. Shakti is Shiva and Shiva is Shakti.

I don't understand what you are saying but I am grateful You are here Brother.

I simply meant sometimes you need to say you don't know@@sven888

And herein lies the Truth. The reason of all difference... of different opinions is... well... please read between the lines of genesis two eighteen.

Unit of consciousness

Amen to that. The foolishness of these theistic fantasists is easily exposed.

exactly

@NotSoGullible Okay, define it.

What are you talking about? He gave a classic argument for dualism based on the old 'indiscernibility of identicals' principle (whose implication is, if two things were one thing, they would have all properties in common... but since brain states share none of the 3 features of conscious states he mentioned, brains states are not the same as conscious states). Descartes used a similar argument for his dualism... Moreland is just presenting other examples that, if you agree with his phenomenological appeals, are stronger than Descartes' argument... which is often criticized for failing to recognize a thing called 'referential opacity'.

@NotSoGullible Literally and merely descriptive, not a noun. A rose is a noun usually associated with the colour red, a descriptor but there could easily be a yellow rose. Unless you can prove the usage of "soul" as an item, you can't say the item is ... (insert whatever other descriptor, such as black, eternal or after-life)

You can only refer to death of the physical. Spiritual death is non existent and impossible

@@garychartrand7378 Is Death the moment the life force ceases existing in the physical body?

@@johnnytass2111 from an earthly point of view it seems obvious. It is the temporary made up Ego that "dies" when the physical brain ceases. However, the life force is eternal.

At any moment; everything is one. So there cannot be any death. Maybe Jesus realized the same?

As he said “alot of people including yourself are followers of scientism.” Your not open minded to anything else outside your scientific worldview. Science is not equipped with the tools to prove God’s existence.

'Self', 'consciousness', 'soul' and 'gods' are, like 'time', metaphoric products of the human thinking process and this is why science has insurmountable trouble preparing slides of them for microscopic examination. lol

Well said. The soul does not exist. Humans invented this "concept" (imagination) to better confront the inevitable reality of death. It is related to man's fear of death-of disappearing forever. We give those who have left us a soul, a kind of second existence, because we have the capacity to remember them. But all this is the fruit of the two most important elements of the brain: memory and imagination, which is only possible if the brain stores memories. This theologian truly possesses a remarkable imagination, as evidenced by his nonsensical statements.

Gnosticism means understanding that we are one so not sure if I get your drift. But I love your drift regardless brother. I am grateful you are here.

Did he die?

Dennett is not a serious thinker. He is dead. And his serious thoughts during his lifetime didn’t amount to much.

@toni6379 whatever blows your hair back.

I recommend Donald Hoffman.

You are it brother. You are it. Tat Tvam Asi.

Bingo

I don’t have to prove a negative. If someone says that we possess a soul… THEY have to do the proving.

@@makeracistsafraidagain Typical Biden voter :/

Perhaps for you. But only because the answer given by science doesn't suit you?

Well it hasnt given an answer ​@obiwanduglobi6359

That's true because cosmic consciousness limits itself (as the bodymind complex) so not to be itself. Cheers brother.

NDE’s are nothing more than hallucinations, if you actually read the studies 50% of those who experience NDE’s aren’t actually in imminent danger or near death. Plus Buddhism is very common have NDE’s of their gods yet Christians also see Jesus, Native American Religions see their “spirits”, Hindu’s see their gods as well it all depends on your religion which means all cannot be true. I’ve done Ketamine for Depression and can say that my experience felt as real as reality but I know it for what it is hallucinations. It has to do with areas of the brain that are deprived of oxygen. Read upon the science before you claim NDE’s are god bc that’s the way to the actual truth.

Lol, what absolute BS. 😅

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@@kierenmoore3236 We've been waiting for you. And we'll be here for you when you are ready. Unconditionally.

What you are saying is technically correct, but he did switch between "soul" and "self" as he explained his ideas. This is the "hard problem" of consciousness; how do you get subjective experience from matter? His answer is that there is something extra that is not physical. This is not a scientific position since it cannot be tested or falsified, but then so are every other explanation of consciousness. I personally believe that the self is physical, and so are thoughts, feelings and perceptions, but I cannot demonstrate this scientifically, and neither can anyone else.

False. Belief about gods and the existence of souls are not mutually inclusive.

I'm interested in your proof that consciousness is a "biological thing." This is precisely the problem. You've not addressed it at all.

@@TheWeslej Let's think it in this way. Take a wolfpack for example, there's an alpha wolf and others follow, the wolves know how to cooperate, hunt and socialize, produce offsprings, are they conscious? I think it would be arrogant to say they are not, maybe you can say have a lower level of consciouness compare to modern humans, but homo sapiens were more or less at the same level a million year ago. So, the question, if wolves have consciousness, do wolves have an afterlife? Now I'm willing to believe there is, for everyone. But we just cannot accept there's nothing after death. And we believe there's an after life full of humans, no wolves.

@@macho8330 Who says there is no afterlife for wolves? Not me! Again, you haven't addressed the hard problem of consciousness, and yet you confidently claim that it's a "biological thing." On what basis?

@@TheWeslej Of course you didn't say it, that would make you look stupid, but also you didn't say wolves have an afterlife, that's enough. BTW you obviously didn't realize consciousness is strictly based on memory capacity, when you lose memory you lose consciousness. And you propose an afterlife you retain memories so you know you are you, where is this fantasy came from? If you don't know how memory and brain functions you can wiki and learn. In which form the memories and cognitive function remains after death? For now it is arrogance plus fantacy, what else?

He does not strike me as "so sure of himself", he is quite measured. He'll say things like "if I'm correct, then..."

There's nothing wrong with being skeptical but letting confidence be your barometer for how skeptical you should be makes as much sense as trusting a bus driver who isn't sure which pedal is the brake and which is the accelerator.

​@@mugsofmirth8101 Eh... I don't think Andrew is making a claim as to the absolute correctness of the pedal choice. It's a vibe. Homeboy has an "I'm correct about everything I'm saying" vibe that comes across in the tone of voice, the constant nodding, the eyebrows, the mouth shapes, etc. Even it were a topic I had no knowledge of, I would be skeptical of a teacher commenting in such ways.

@@bryanhaney7930 It is the first rule of apologetics. When you start shoveling the BS say it with complete confidence and conviction. See WLC for a perfect example.

How many selves?

Exactly. Simple means One. Hence why death does not exist.

who says the soul needs a body?

Because it is not good to be alone! Genesis 2 18.

@@sven888 Respect for your openness. The whole discussion wouldn't take place if there was no religion.

That's like saying water needs a container, therefore water doesn't exist. lmao

Since animals do not have language and 'the self' is a linguistic construct and only selfs can be conscious, animals cannot be conscious. This conclusion may contradict the life long intuition of many but as you know, intuitions are not guaranteed to correspond with actuality. As a child, I had the strongest intuition that 'life' was contingent on a magic spark. I still feel a bit embarrassed before my self, at the supreme confidence I had in my certain understanding, before courses in physics, chemistry and biology allowed me to realize the 'life is a process' actuality. Does soul exist? This is the right question. The existence of a soul is not demonstrable and there is no evidence for it so it seems to 'me' very likely that soul is a product of ancient imagination, a meme indoctrinated down through the generations within a subset(s) of human cultures. (It seems to me very likely that the ancients had good reason to believe that souls existed. This good reason may have been that in their total ignorance of the difference between hallucination and normal experience, their hallucinations of the voices of their dead parents would have convinced them of their parents continued but invisible existence. Please see Julian Jaynes' great book, "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind" for details of the theory from which this thought has been copied). Cheers!

@@REDPUMPERNICKEL You are implying that human consciousness is an effect of our upright stature, which helped modeling the morphology of our larynx, which allows us to be able to articulate words. Interesting. Maybe our soul is in our vertebral column?

Are all th4e NDEs ZERO evidence?

@@nicholash8021 are your dreams real. did you fly at night or visited your dead grandma. No.

@@nicholash8021 They are just evidence for our brain going crazy when it's set under extreme stress. Nobody ever came back. Incidentally, the resurrection story is missing in the oldest artefacts of the Gospel of Mark. The story ends before the empty tomb. Interesting, isn't it?

@@TrivoMarjanovic It doesn't explain the how those who left their body in a surgery room and described things that they saw in other rooms and out of sight. One of my closest friends is a heart surgeon who has seen this a few times. One of his stories includes a Muslim man who met Jesus and instantly converted upon coming back to life.

@@nicholash8021 YES. You can trigger NDE like experiences by touching the brain with electric stimulation. You can also trigger NDE - like experiences by consuming certain drugs. You can trigger NDE-like experiences by doing meditation. Its all in your brain!

Yeah right

Wrong

@@timsnyder8431 Prove it.

Kind of. Apparently ants teach other ants how to find food. What does that have to do with souls?

@@tedgrant2 I guess he did but that doesn't answer my question.

@@ianwaltham1854 Do computers ever get angry ?

@@tedgrant2 You're a very silly man.

@@ianwaltham1854 According to the Catholic Church, a soul is created at conception. At death, the soul has to wait until Jesus returns. At which point it will be judged.

That is an interesting question. Supposedly we are conscious while healthy, then unconscious (or far less conscious when we have brain damage) then conscious again when we die? I can only draw an analogy to my first memories of childhood where it seemed that I became more conscious with age, particularly from 2 to 5 years old.

It will depend on extent of brain damage. It the brain is heavyly damaged , then the brain - body coordination is lost and the person may go into coma. If the damage is not severe then the patient may be concious and can also assist in full recovery of his self. But it's not necessary that the slightly damaged brain recovers to normal structure and function. Some Other part of brain takes over the functioning.

My theory is that the brain is how the soul connects to the physical world. When the brain is damaged the link between the soul and the physical world is distorted. The soul is still intact, but the connection is bad.

That's kinda like asking what does a guitar player do during a live performance when his guitar strings break and there is no other guitar or replacement strings present?

@@Greg-xs5py That wouldn’t explain personality change in the slightest. Maybe it could explain physical impairment but definitely not personality wise.

Sadly, you are most probably right. It would sure be nice if some of these religious fantasies were correct.

@@tomjackson7755 Perhaps it would be, yes … and perhaps ‘Life’ is a simulation, and the truth is far better than anything they could imagine thousands of years ago … Nobody knows!! We’re all just monkeys wearing clothes … ☺️ (at least, in this simulation … haha)

@@kierenmoore3236 Can you imagine how nice it sounded 2000 years ago to hear stories that if you join our cult that you can go to a place that everything is peaceful and you don't have to starve or work everyday just to get by when you pass. Where every thing is perfect. WOW!!! What a recruiting tool.

@@tomjackson7755 Oh, for sure, bro. Huge carrot 🥕 … Huge stick, too. 🔥 “You can ease my greatest fear (death)?! Where do I sign?!!”

@@kierenmoore3236 yes because you're an indoctrinated sheep. Everything you do is determined and fully programmed by your social engineers. 😂

How can you state this conclusively? Have you solved this age-old conundrum on your own? Do tell!

Inccorect.

​@@TheWeslejThere is no conundrum...you create one by claiming that there is a soul,without offering any proof of the existence of a soul...

​@@timsnyder8431Prove that my statement is incorrect by delivering objective/emperical/scientific proof of the existence of a soul. Please give details of your method of proof,so that I can exactly follow your method,so as to also see/observe a soul....you are busy with mere speculation based on nothing more than a flight of fancy...

Exactly. And the purpose of God? Love!

@@sven888 Then explain theodicy from this point of view? Wars, the Holocaust, cancer in children, natural disasters, social injustice: all out of love? C'mon...

@@obiwanduglobi6359The world is a temporary fallen world according to Bible

@@24t44yn Then, God is a sadist? Why does he let his own creation suffer when he could simply end it once and for all?

@@obiwanduglobi6359 I can explain it but there's no need to accept it. After all we are different by design for good reason. Let's leave God out of it and try something else. Cosmology. The Big Bang was not only born out of the Initial Singularity; the Big Bang 'is' the Initial Singularity. What it means is that all fluctuations are the Initial Singularity and vice verse. Waves are many but they are all the same Ocean. What it comes down to is that we (the One) has conceived itself to perceive itself as different in Life so not to be alone. The problem with this veiling business is that it creates a lot of suffering as you point out. But the joy of companionship far outnumbers the suffering. We (the One) can minimize suffering when we embrace the Truth about who we are and why we are. As long as we don't understand our reason of being and think we are completely divided or separate we will not know peace. Peace comes through Self-recognition. Jesus tried to explain this. Many other Saints and Sages did too. It's difficult to explain it to people who have never stood still and thought about it. But once you get it... you really get it. Any other questions please ask. I learned a lot by studying physics, cosmology and biology. Also through contemplation and reading. Wishing you an easy going rest of your week. Appreciate you are here brother. Thank you.

Your comment comes most closer to truth.

You are very correct but since the body and mind complex is in reality cosmic consciousness there is no death. This is perhaps the message that Jesus tried to explain but so few understood. But again. You have come further than most people will do in their life times.