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Jack Nicklaus vs Arnold Palmer - Pinehurst No.2 - 1994 

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In 1994 Shell's Wonderful World of Golf featured a legendary match up between Jack Nicklaus and Arnold Palmer at the renowned Pinehurst No.2 course.

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@GenX...MCMLXV
@GenX...MCMLXV 12 дней назад
I was there and even though these GOAT's were past their prime, it was Jack V Arnie and there was definitely still a competitive fire burning in each of them . The late 80's and the 90's was a great time in Phurst. This was only a couple years or so after both Mr Palmer and Mr Nicklaus had built 2 great additions to golf in Phurst, Pinehurst Plantation and Pinehurst National. The Deuce was a different course then but back on the radar after having hosted the 91 and 92 Tour Championship as well as the 94 Senior Open - followed 5 years later with the 99 US Open. And now this week we have the 4th US Open to be played on Course 2 in the last 25 years. I think it is safe for us to continue to say that Pinehurst is the Golf Capital of the World.
@mcphlyyy1919
@mcphlyyy1919 3 года назад
How does a match between these two not have millions of views? Glad I found this gem.
@philo_beddoe4367
@philo_beddoe4367 Год назад
because it is in 380p and practically unwatchable?
@philo_beddoe4367
@philo_beddoe4367 4 месяца назад
@@PawPawGreg people complain now if something is not in 4K versus 1080p. I don't personally care but there is a threshold now where some things become tough to watch
@atamagashock
@atamagashock Месяц назад
@@philo_beddoe4367you guys must be young bucks, I don’t find this unwatchable at all. Christ it’s only been 15 years, since this was standard.
@billbodger4723
@billbodger4723 2 года назад
You can watch these matches time and again and never get tired of them ,back to a time when they’re were nice people playing and nice people watching , the gallery’s now are booze and loud such a shame for a great game .
@RipSizzla
@RipSizzla Год назад
Such a sad take. 😂
@untexan
@untexan Год назад
In Mother Russia trollbots comment you!
@davidd1395
@davidd1395 Год назад
@@RipSizzla sad but true. Used to be amateur players would dress respectably, now with the sleeveless shirts guys are wearing we’ve been overrun by hillbillies.
@kerryunderwood6753
@kerryunderwood6753 Год назад
And with the wonderfully therapeutic voice of Jack Whitaker!
@MrDanSchulte
@MrDanSchulte Год назад
Billdodger4723 You mean all rich and white ?
@ikaikamaleko8370
@ikaikamaleko8370 5 месяцев назад
I remember my dad watching these on the weekends when I was little as I headed outside to play on the weekends, that guys voice is so memorable.
@reddemunn
@reddemunn 2 года назад
Incredible final putt. That's why he's the greatest.
@kellybeaton8215
@kellybeaton8215 8 месяцев назад
The sound of the persimmon driver is great.
@Moishe555
@Moishe555 2 месяца назад
oh wow I thought they had metal woods by this time in '94.
@johncassani6780
@johncassani6780 2 месяца назад
@@Moishe555Most had. It looks like Jack had switched. I think Davis Love III was the last tour pro to switch, in 96 or 97.
@tobyrichardson1837
@tobyrichardson1837 2 дня назад
Wow didn't know about this one. What a classic. The magic certainly lingered in these two.
@AmericanExpatDemocrat
@AmericanExpatDemocrat 2 месяца назад
I was born less than a mile from No.2. My father was a security guard at the old World Golf Hall of Fame. The 4th green was the first upon which I ever putted a golf ball at age 4. I went home and played the course after many years away from Pinehurst in 2014. I shot 88 from the blue tees. Old No.2 has teeth!
@SurprizedDaily
@SurprizedDaily 3 года назад
Thank you for uploading this and sharing it with us all jack! Please tell SHELL they need to start a 3rd edition of SHELLS Wonderful World of Golf! 1st match I'd love to see is any of today's players squared up at Pine Valley....that place was a beast back when they had Byron vs. Gene Littler there! Both the 1st you vs. Snead & 2nd edition of you vs tom watson at Pebble were both great matches I just watched the other night!
@seanscott7070
@seanscott7070 Год назад
Pine Valley is my ultimate dream site for the US Open.
@SurprizedDaily
@SurprizedDaily Год назад
@@seanscott7070 that would be the ultimate U.S. Open for sure!!
@davidjackson7051
@davidjackson7051 11 месяцев назад
2 of the Greatest that could really putt thanks for alot inspiration and memories over the year's gentleman I've learned alot from y'all you played the greatest game on earth with great respect from me now that I'm 69 still playing too thank God for the great sport of golf
@nathanlentini8001
@nathanlentini8001 Год назад
Fantastic and amazing Jack! You've always been my number one golf hero ever since I was a youngster in Florida. I saw you play a tournament there probably around the time this Pinehurst match happened. I got your autograph. I also met you with my dad when you were playing a practice round at Bink's Forest with your son caddying. I was only 9 but I'll always remember you said "What's your handicap, 3?" I didn't know what a handicap was, but was in awe of the time you took to have a picture with me. I also wrote a letter to you back then and was shocked to get a response and a signed picture of you hitting out of a bunker. Since my earliest days in golf I tried to emulate you in every aspect of the game. I watched 'Golf My Way' hundreds of times as a kid and practiced the swing in the house trying to copy every detail of your swing. It served me well. I won a lot of tournaments in Florida as a junior but tapered off after that. Those fundamentals have stuck with me though and it's astounding how much of the game goes back to the very basics. The difference between a bad shot and a great shot for me is usually proper alignment and head still and making sure my grip is sound. The golden bear still remains the greatest of all time in golf and in many other aspects of life, especially family. Well done Jack! You are an ideal example of the greatness of a western man, as is Mr. Palmer, a hero of mine right along side you 👏🤝🏻
@russburton725
@russburton725 Год назад
Named my first son after my dad, my second son after Jack Nicklaus. Long live the golden age of The King and The Bear!
@johnblackburn2914
@johnblackburn2914 2 года назад
I now live in Pinehurst, coming from Columbus Ohio, what a wonderful thing this match was. My home town hero playing at my club, what could be better!
@buffaloben15golf88
@buffaloben15golf88 3 года назад
Just played Jack Nicklaus’s own Legacy Golf Links just 5 minutes away from Pinehurst about a month and a half ago. Absolutely phenomenal course!
@keithschlegel5123
@keithschlegel5123 Год назад
I'm fairly certain The Legacy was designed by Jack Nicklaus, II. It is a really great course though. Played it several times.
@quantumpotential7639
@quantumpotential7639 Год назад
You wanna play it some time? I'm ready !!
@buffaloben15golf88
@buffaloben15golf88 Год назад
@@quantumpotential7639 I’m not from that area I just played it on a trip down there
@johnnymossville
@johnnymossville Год назад
Amazing round by Jack. Arnold at 64 years old still has it.
@CamMacMastermusic
@CamMacMastermusic Год назад
Fantastic match !! Bring back the Shell world of golf please !
@ryanwalker9842
@ryanwalker9842 2 года назад
Two of the GOATs 🐐 Amazing footage!
@garyroberts3859
@garyroberts3859 11 дней назад
“Two of the goats”…how many were there?
@formerfarmer1718
@formerfarmer1718 2 года назад
Absolutely great! Thank you……..👍
@andrewconnor4429
@andrewconnor4429 8 месяцев назад
Back when class and respect were valued... Man I quit golf before youtube... I come back, I can watch every shot of the greats as asmr falling asleep...
@michaelmapes4119
@michaelmapes4119 Год назад
I wish there could have been this matchup on the Original series when both were in their prime!
@drewblowers5990
@drewblowers5990 8 месяцев назад
All in their prime. A match between Arnie,Jack, and Tiger with today's equipment .Would be something of the ages.
@justonsullivan3807
@justonsullivan3807 2 года назад
The good ole boy'z, we miss u2, these days will never be forgotten. ⛳🇺🇲🗽🇺🇲⛳
@Rob-157
@Rob-157 4 месяца назад
These two guys should have had their own sitcom. Their personalities compliment each other well. Very classy and a great example of good sportsmanship for young people to witness.
@harryputang5352
@harryputang5352 Год назад
Jack has always had that keeping par focus. That's why he took his time putting. What incredible decisive pars he's done in so many games?! Beautiful birdie at the end👍
@Neurotripsicks
@Neurotripsicks 2 дня назад
Good to see two gentlemen respecting each other. If Rory had the first 8 holes Arnold had he would have walked off the course and deleted his Facebook account.
@davidjackson7051
@davidjackson7051 11 месяцев назад
Thanks for sharing your wisdom
@ghendar
@ghendar 11 дней назад
30 years ago. Hard to believe. Where has the time gone?
@Dale_Higgins
@Dale_Higgins 3 года назад
This is a trip to watch. Arnold's swing looks like a 20 handicaper that's about to fall over every time, then somehow it's a perfect shot
@kevhead1525
@kevhead1525 18 дней назад
It is interesting how "bad" it looks. But whatever works.
@sappermade6012
@sappermade6012 Год назад
Legends !!! This was so much fun to watch
@bencampbell5706
@bencampbell5706 4 года назад
Awesome!
@randomgamer-st1ie
@randomgamer-st1ie 2 месяца назад
I like that Arnold is still using a persimmon driver in 1994.
@Araconox
@Araconox 3 года назад
What a treat to watch these great men , including Bob Rosburg. These were our heroes growing up and in many ways, still are.
@seanmurphy137
@seanmurphy137 3 года назад
Shut up
@Araconox
@Araconox 3 года назад
@@seanmurphy137 Are you on drugs?
@seanmurphy137
@seanmurphy137 3 года назад
@@Araconox shave your bush
@seanmurphy137
@seanmurphy137 3 года назад
@@Araconox did you shave your bush yet
@wayneriley7367
@wayneriley7367 3 года назад
Until jack did the stupidest thing in 2020
@jonathanhoneycutt7991
@jonathanhoneycutt7991 2 года назад
Love AP, such a class act
@ronniezr201
@ronniezr201 3 года назад
Good match between 2 players who grew the game I love so much can't thank them enough ~
@jacktattis
@jacktattis 9 месяцев назад
Over here in Australia it Was Player and Thomson in the 50s /60s. Player won 7 or 8 Australian Opens and Thomson won 5 Opens with 3 in a row. American players started to come in the 70s
@KevinHoekman
@KevinHoekman 13 дней назад
Amazing how much technology has changed the game in 30 years.
@kenlauerer3376
@kenlauerer3376 5 месяцев назад
In 1994 Arnie was already 64 years old and showed it, however still played Pinehurst 2 at what 2 over. Incredible.
@FloridaManRacer
@FloridaManRacer Год назад
Both of these men helped to shape my love for this game. Both are consummate gentlemen, both have left a mark on this sport that no one could ever diminish and both were ambassadors who spread this game to all corners of the globe. I feel lucky just to have played a course with Arnold's name on it and Jack will always be #1 in my books, no matter who passes him in the record books. Only Tiger gets to breathe the same rare air as these two men, and that's talking strictly about the game...
@iancharlespilch
@iancharlespilch Год назад
Nice comeback, Jack. Great match. Great sportsmanship.
@mdeodar
@mdeodar 8 месяцев назад
True class acts. Something Tiger never had.
@eggsmann594
@eggsmann594 3 года назад
These guys were competitive to the end !
@garyroberts3859
@garyroberts3859 11 дней назад
What would you expect?
@maamold
@maamold Год назад
Jack, you did something similar at the Fred Meyer Challenge in Portland, OR one year. I've never heard or been a part of a roar that loud. Thank You.
@tomsurber2293
@tomsurber2293 Год назад
God bless you, Mr. Palmer. I'll always be a Five-Star General in your Army of countless admirers.
@Regularguy1798
@Regularguy1798 2 года назад
Jack Nicklaus - the greatest!
@JBKY0517
@JBKY0517 Год назад
Loved Mr. Palmer but my all time favorite was Jack. A day late but Happy Birthday Mr. Nicklaus.
@MW-uy3np
@MW-uy3np 7 месяцев назад
What a gem.
@ridegriff50
@ridegriff50 Год назад
So much better than the golf “influencer” garbage on now
@TheLocalLt
@TheLocalLt 3 года назад
The fact that David B Fay refereed this shows you what a big deal it was
@deidmoose
@deidmoose 3 года назад
That was a putting clinic by the Golden Bear! Crazy that on a 6700 course, at 55, still goes round in -4....wonder what his handicap would have been in his prime (if he had one). +6, +7?
@Droogs
@Droogs 2 года назад
There's a lot to love about the #2 course at Pinehurst, especially since in was so lovingly restored in 2010. One of my favorite Donald Ross designs incorporates the "inverted saucer" or domed greens characteristic. This assures that mediocre or poor iron approaches are never inadvertently rewarded.
@seanscott7070
@seanscott7070 Год назад
Turtleback.
@seanscott7070
@seanscott7070 Год назад
I prefer no. 8. The turtleback green as a concept gets tiring for players, and viewers, unless I'm alone in my assessment. Perhaps it provides a number of short game options, however still too gimmicky for my taste. A one trick pony if you will. Pinehurst isn't that easy on the eyes, whereas it's Pinehurst no. 8, is more aesthetically pleasing, to my eye/taste anyways.
@lawbinson
@lawbinson 2 года назад
Seeing these greats miss fairways and fat some shots really helps with me setting realistic expectations.
@kennethmckinney2532
@kennethmckinney2532 7 дней назад
Love Bryson and thrilled he won but that last putt Rory had was tough. He played it outside left and it ripped to the right quickly
@jacktattis
@jacktattis 9 месяцев назад
My favourites growing up was our own Peter Thomson and Sam Snead I have a set of Sams and Jacks clubs in the shed and a Thomson 5 Iron
@webbdelasteve
@webbdelasteve 10 месяцев назад
If these ever get remastered into clear videos, they'll be absolute beauts. Hard to watch atm, though.
@Guitarpick1770
@Guitarpick1770 2 года назад
Arnold, a gentleman competitor
@joemaio41
@joemaio41 3 года назад
always a pleasure to see my man - arnie\
@DMKFACTOR
@DMKFACTOR Месяц назад
I would LOVE for them to start doing these again. The dream would be Tiger vs Phil. Those Matches between the two of them were always fantastic!
@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb
@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb 5 месяцев назад
Damn, Jack's putting was spectacular.
@jamesbaine580
@jamesbaine580 Месяц назад
Miss those days
@1974jrod
@1974jrod 10 месяцев назад
Hard to believe Arnie has been gone 7 years now.
@BloodySoup74
@BloodySoup74 8 месяцев назад
Miss that guy
@DCopp
@DCopp Год назад
What woods were these 2 using?
@mikecarver8770
@mikecarver8770 2 года назад
The 2 Goats!!!
@mas2526
@mas2526 3 года назад
Two of the GOATs
@garyroberts3859
@garyroberts3859 3 года назад
Stupid word
@MegaLiterally
@MegaLiterally Год назад
I really wish they wouldn’t skip shots
@davidjackson7051
@davidjackson7051 11 месяцев назад
Mr.Nicklaus thank you for the paperback books on how to play golf at first i didn't get it but u were absolutely right I've found out the hard way lol 😂❤
@enriqueguillen1597
@enriqueguillen1597 2 года назад
Amazing jack putting
@enriqueguillen1597
@enriqueguillen1597 2 года назад
Jack got super old in just two years. From 1994 to 1996. I saw the one against Lee Trevino.
@sidecar7714
@sidecar7714 2 года назад
Jack finished T6 in the 1998 Masters, two strokes better than defending champion Tiger Woods. Trevino never finished better than T10 in his career there.
@jonburrows8602
@jonburrows8602 2 года назад
@@sidecar7714 Trevino let the Masters get in his head. He actually claimed it didn't favor faders of the golf ball in spite of Jack being the greatest fader of the golf ball and winning 6 times.
@MrAJR76
@MrAJR76 Год назад
@@jonburrows8602 It was more that Trevino couldn't hit the ball high. Augusta doesn't favour low ball hitters like him. Same reason Azinger always struggled there. Nicklaus could hit towering fades with his irons, which was perfect for Augusta.
@jonburrows8602
@jonburrows8602 2 месяца назад
But Palmer was a low ball hitter and won the Masters 4x.
@MrDanSchulte
@MrDanSchulte Год назад
I'll never go to North Carolina after what their lawmakers did in May 2023.
@Helpmeasinner
@Helpmeasinner Год назад
Jack=Goat.
@ryansones1626
@ryansones1626 2 года назад
Let's get this going again! Pine Valley as the first course course would be awesome. Augusta National would be a cool and different perspective. But I think the crown jewel would be Cypress Point Club or Seminole... I like the threesome versions but even a foursome would be a crowd pleaser.
@bobbyjones3353
@bobbyjones3353 3 года назад
Nice
@jaketnelson
@jaketnelson Год назад
27:51 the best way to design golf courses - Mr. Donald Ross true genius
@Omnis2
@Omnis2 3 месяца назад
11:41 "Oh, fuck!"
@timmystaggs6196
@timmystaggs6196 2 года назад
Arnie w the Bay Hill visor.
@johnnymossville
@johnnymossville 3 года назад
Jack hit some great putts that day
@steveng8727
@steveng8727 Год назад
G.O.A.T. vs the KING !
@jordanmagee3866
@jordanmagee3866 Год назад
The golden bear is the best putter! Shown here wow
@eyesaidthat2109
@eyesaidthat2109 9 месяцев назад
15,000 yard golf courses....in 50 years....30 years later we are half way there.....
@oldschool3126
@oldschool3126 Год назад
If my life was on the line within a 10 ft. putt no one I'd rather take the shot than Jack Nicklaus. 👍
@Creefer23
@Creefer23 11 месяцев назад
The fact that Jack said "shank" off the first tee but was still in the first cut is laughable. Id be happy as hell with that
@cagoodson70
@cagoodson70 11 месяцев назад
-4 on that course is pretty dang salty.
@lomonso6346
@lomonso6346 3 месяца назад
This is what golf was all about. Normally a driver and long irons or woods for the 2nd shot on par 4s. Not driver then wedges like today. Required real skill and extreme precision on ballstriking!
@imlurking232
@imlurking232 11 месяцев назад
Gary Player was my favorite. Gutsy underdog.
@jamesmurray3128
@jamesmurray3128 3 года назад
Jack should ask for money back for that shirt.
@ronaldhenson3379
@ronaldhenson3379 2 года назад
O G ARNOLD PALMER AND O G JACK NICKLAUS
@americafirst9699
@americafirst9699 11 месяцев назад
Hitting the persimmon
@winstonsmith11
@winstonsmith11 Год назад
Can Jack putt, or what? Wow. The old bear was something else.
@lgood5122
@lgood5122 Год назад
Jack changed his shirt at 6th.
@johnhoie-hj7cg
@johnhoie-hj7cg 19 дней назад
Pinehurst doesn’t look like this anymore. Lots of sand and native grass on the sides of the fairways.
@douglasbuck8986
@douglasbuck8986 3 года назад
Ahhhh ............ THERE IT IS.............. THE WORD............................... ENTERTAIN...................................... WHERE DID THAT GO IN SPORTS?
@laurasplicer712
@laurasplicer712 Месяц назад
158 yard 6 iron. 👏👏 i hit my 8 iron that far.
@ag358
@ag358 Месяц назад
Different lofts on irons in those days you couldn't hit an eight iron 155, it had too much loft on it plus jack hiy everything high. Seven iron today can be low as 30° forty years ago a seven might be 40. Today 160 eight irons is normal. You wouldn't believe what eight irons looked like forty years ago, looked like a pitching wedge.
@sappermade6012
@sappermade6012 Год назад
Arnold was 64 here!!!
@jayherzog7683
@jayherzog7683 9 дней назад
jack was the greatest putter of all time.
@ckersh74
@ckersh74 Год назад
Mix in Jack's shirt with some John Daly pants and you're all set.
@patc1309
@patc1309 3 года назад
That 16th hole would be an average par 4 today and not a par 5
@marklittlejohn5740
@marklittlejohn5740 3 года назад
You do realize that Jack is 54 and Arnold is 64, and that the very first titanium driver is a year away at the time it was filmed?
@patc1309
@patc1309 3 года назад
@@marklittlejohn5740 Obviously! That's my point! WTF
@poocrayon4588
@poocrayon4588 2 года назад
Because of huge drivers which look stupid and are like the training wheels of golf clubs.
@Weshopwizard
@Weshopwizard 8 месяцев назад
That freaking intro. Sports broadcasters really suck nowadays.
@adriantunei5453
@adriantunei5453 2 года назад
There’s so much to learn from this gem; yes, technology matters, but hard work and talent matters most.
@jonburrows8602
@jonburrows8602 2 года назад
Jack, like Byron Nelson, didn't work all that hard on his game once he got on tour. Palmer did at first, but then let his business interests overwhelm him.
@MusicSpidey
@MusicSpidey 2 года назад
@adrian tunei Speaking of technology, i noticed that Arnold Palmer was using a persimmon driver while Jack Nicklaus drove with a metal driver. Despite being 11 years older, Arnold Palmer was still an awesome driver of the ball.
@paulyandle6081
@paulyandle6081 Год назад
Persimmon vs Metal, too.
@CapnT87
@CapnT87 3 года назад
I can’t find any history showing ‘even par’ being spelled as “evon” lol
@stevefowler2112
@stevefowler2112 10 дней назад
I have a couple anecdotes I'd like to share about Mr. Palmer. I'm now retired but in the early 90's I was still working at Martin Marietta's (later Lockheed Martin) Missile Systems in Orlando as an Aerospace Engineer. Our "Main Plant" was right around the corner from BayHill, and I was starting to get serious about golf and had been taking lessons from a well known local golf coach in Orlando (Mike Keymont). I then read a Golf Digest mag article about the top 5 golf instructors in America and number 4 was Mr. Dick Tidy, the director of golf instruction and the golf school at Bay Hill. Mr. Tidy had been #2 behind Arnie at Wake Forest and a lifelong friend. Bay Hill is a private club so i didn't even know if i could get lessons from Mr. Tidy but I picked up the phone and called and next thing I know I have six lessons scheduled. Mr. Tidy was great, and he taught me to hit the Palmer Draw. One day I am hitting driver on the range and I hit a bullet...Mr. Tidy growls..."We'll Take 18 and those and pitch back to the par 3's!!!" Anyway after my driver practice Mr. tidy said okay let's go up to Mr. Palmer's office to watch your video...I went, Wait, What? We are going to Mr. Palmer's office, is he going to be there? Mr. Tidy says nonchalantly, I don't know but that's where the video recorder is. So we walk up the stairs to the 2nd floor above the clubhouse and walk in and there is Mr. Palmer at his desk. I'm a grown man with two Engineering degrees working on some of America's blackest defense programs but I felt as nervous as a school girl. Dick asks Arnie if we can borrow his desk to use the video machine/monitor and Arnie gets up and says sure. then he comes around the desk and extend his hand and says, "So how is you game coming along?" like I was some tour player...what a great man and great human being he was! My second anecdote is shorter. It was about the same time, the early nineties and the Bay Hill Invitational was in play. Arnie had said before the tourney that he wasn't happy with where his game was and was really not interested in just being out there if he wasn't competitive but he relented and said he would play. It's Friday and Arnie is playing well and has a chance to make the cut. He has drawn a huge gallery and I am one of them and I'm watching Arnie and he has a very serious look on his face (you could tell he really wanted to make the cut). He leaves the 8th green and is walking to the 9th tee and he is eyes down and working...a crowd forms around him and one poor dope blocks his path on the cart path to the 9th tee...lol, without skipping a step Arnie gives him a perfect forearm shiver with those popeye like forearms and knocks the guy right off the cart path and almost puts him on his ass...it was great to see!!! Mr. Palmer ended up missing the cut but it was nice to see him playing with the bit in his mouth for the last time in a PGA Tournament.
@Frank-pi2gz
@Frank-pi2gz 10 дней назад
Boring to read.
@theoakhills
@theoakhills Год назад
8 iron from 144. Now it's an PW. Those bunkers on #7 aren't even in play anymore!
@ag358
@ag358 2 месяца назад
Today's lofts on irons are at least two clubs longer than yesteryear and drivers are much longer , irons are made with a lower cog than long ago. So 144 p iron isn't a big deal, not even counting better shafts and golf balls. Before the PGA championship in 1964 jack hit his steel shaft persimmon head driver 345 yards with very little roll as it was flat. In 2017, 2019. Jacks 345 would've beat the winners in the Long drive tournament for players of the PGA. At age 58 he had a swing speed with driver at 118 mph. His 22 yr old swing would have b
@ag358
@ag358 2 месяца назад
Today's iron loft is at least two clubs longer so a 145 pitching wedge is not exceptional. Jack in the PGA long drive before championship was 345 yds. In 2017 and 2019 jacks 345 would win in those years. It was flat ground very little roll. Jacks swing mph at 58 yrs old was 118, 22 yr old jack would have been crazy fast
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