Jackbox || Crossing the Streams 2023-06-26 

Still kinda wish he'd just jovially say "goodbye"

Thank you for the time stamps and the flashback ;)

"TipSnip 'n Wiggless" is the weirdest name I've ever heard for a guillotine, not gonna lie

Also shout-outs to the reference to like my favorite LRR member at 2:32:00 or so 💜

Its HUGE in florida. Heck the US open of pickleball occurs in Naples, Florida

I don't think he was disputing that the B stands for blues, he was saying that the Blues in R&B doesn't necessarily refer to the blues scale/riff/chord progression that rock and roll is built around. While rock and roll was definitely influenced by R&B, and both are foundationally Black music and derive from Blues, R&B incorporated much more soul and gospel influences and has referred to a lot of different styles over the decades due to its continuous association with Black artists, whereas rock and roll consistently kept its tonal center in the blues scale but generally described more mainstream white bands. Ian did also go on to say that most genre labels are BS, which I generally agree with, and that certainly does make conversations like this difficult when you're trying to pin down specific dates or artists. Much like with gender and sexuality, labels in music can be helpful if you're trying to quickly convey your own preferences, but become increasingly useless as you start trying to apply them in a practical sense or on an individual basis.

@@severallemmings You listen to Bill Withers and tell me R&B isn't based on the blues scale.

@vanhelsingfan1 I love Bill Withers, but let's not act like he's the first and last word on R&B. And I think that in itself just reinforces the point that genres are fluid and ambiguous. Professional musicians will be the first to tell you that they pick things up from anywhere and everywhere, they don't pen themselves into a set genre. You can find incredible diversity within a single genre and find countless similarities between different genres, but I don't think there's any genre at all that can be perfectly encapsulated by a single artist. I would argue that over the past hundred years, genre has been much more tied to advertising and commercialism rather than accurate or objective descriptions of what a specific artist's music sounds like. There's no doubt that R&B built on delta blues and electric blues, but once rock and roll started to successfully be marketed to white audiences, R&B did become the generic catch-all for Black music in the industry, which inevitably led to R&B representing a much more musically diverse set of artists. Because, let's be real, the record companies definitely did not sit all their execs down and have a detailed discussion about music theory when they were deciding which groups would feature on which Billboard chart.

​@@vanhelsingfan1ok so bill is the only singer in blues got it

I was hoping this upload meant that they finally got it delivered.

​@@AtariEricHeather has been uploading these remotely/using a phone tether.

@@snowcookiemedia Wow. Mad props to Heather.

​@@AtariEric Shes a very talented lady

Also, (Ace Ventura voice) “Spanghew. Spanghew very much.”