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I sort of see it as inevitable. His appeal is very much dependant on his kung fu skill. The older you get, the less you can do. His legacy remains unmatched
Yeah, I feel like at some point you kinda need to start moving into a producer/director role, or just start doing movies with more drama and intrigue. Kinda like what Clint Eastwood did. He slowed down and shifted his style to match that
I'm quite convinced that even if whole civilisation is wiped out in some sort of a catastrophe, thousands of years from now, people will be telling myths about the great warrior Jackie Chan. The man is more than an icon. He has shown not thousands, not millions, but billions of people that human body is capable of things almost none of them ever imagined. He will be remembered and loved.
Jackie Chan has arguebly the biggest name recognition in America as an Asian action star. He always struck me as a more light hearted and kid-friendly actor. But I guess he suffered from the same type casting that Jim Carrey suffers from where he is torn between his past comedy success and a desire to be taken more seriously to mixed success.
I don't know. He has the talent, and was able to pull it off in The Foreigner. It's just that going full China ended up playing against him. It's nice thaf he wants to make movies in his homeland, but tell me, when was the last time a Chinese movie reached the global stage? More than 15 years if I remember correctly. It's also the fact that he doesn't seem to have much chemistry with the actors he shares screen with. The Foreigner worked because he was alone most of the movie.
@@sirbruno95 that's a really good point, I remember a time when Chinese films were winning Academy Awards, nowadays they hardly even get a release outside of China, I wonder if it's due to the tension between East and West right now...but it sucks because there have been some really good films coming out of China....but I'll be honest.....there's more crappy films than good ones, especially in the martial arts genre....the most recent one I saw was The Rusty Blade which came out earlier this year, it's your typical Wuxia film, but more grounded in reality...other than that it's been difficult to find a good martial arts action film without CCP propaganda and Nationalism just shoehorned in where it doesn't make any sense....a good example was Philip Ng's Once Upon a Time in Shanghai, which was meant to be a remake of the Boxer from Shantung, in the original Ma ZhongShan fights the axe gang, in the remake it starts off with the axe gang, but suddenly halfway through the movie, out of nowhere the real villains are revealed to be the Japanese, with absolutely no explanation for how or why.
So basically: Jackie is getting older and struggles with doing action movies the way he used to. He spent more time directing and experimenting with different roles, hence the harsh reviews from critics. Conclusion, his career is no longer at the top, but his direction is refreshing. You may very well say he transforms himself into a different kind of actor, perhaps even better than his typical Jackie Chan action archetype.
I'ts inevitable, the guy is 68, hes been doing this for so long im surprised he hasn't retired yet, he's mae millions, he's got injuries, why not just retire? but i get it he loves making movies.
@@helpraznidentitystopanti-a3946 Somehow he's like my grandpa, obviously his body is getting weaker, and he has had a lung problem since his 40s, but still insists on going to the farm, even though the farm is already leased anyway. It's just what he had done for all his life, and that he has spent his lifetime going to the farm, that sitting around at home feels strange for him. So my grandpa went to the farm again and again.... and after that we run him to hospital. He won't listen.
I remember liking Shinjuku Incident, but it's been a long time since I saw it. It seemed like a rare serious role for Jackie and he pulled it off well enough. The story of an immigrant slowly breaking bad getting more and more involved with the Yakuza while trying to protect his community was a pretty refreshing story to me at the time, anyway
I agree, oddly enough Shinjuku Incident is up there as one of my favourite films staring Jachie. I can recognize that it has a lot of short comings but something about it just really clicked with me.
Yeah. I still remember the last scene of Jackie’s character remembering the more economically struggling but happier times with his friends. A very heartbreaking contrast to how the movie ended that made me cry a little. Thou even there te scene looked a little awkward, as Jackie was just standing there while his friends joked and cheered around.
Railroad Tigers is actually good. As a comedy it's not that very funny, but it's not bad and the comedy format makes the characters likeable, real people who find humour in everyday situations and fail a lot like everyone does. The final fight sequence, whilst it has a running gag, and a few jokes, is legitimately dramatic. You don't get frustrated by failings, but instead it gets really very sad when Tigers keep dying one after another, and the situation becomes completely hopeless. The movie can actually make the viewer believe they are all going to die for nothing, and it's something action movies usually fail to achieve when they try.
I have to watch it then, becaue thats what good anti war movies do, humanize soldiers an make it feel pointless, yet tragic. Like i liked litle big oldier a lot, and he seems to have a knack for charactr driven historical comdies with dark humor. He has for humor in general, but he can sell dark poignant humor too.
@@marocat4749 Oh yes, give it a try. Even if you don't enjoy the movie too much, watch patiently as it makes you feel the characters are some funny cool guys you actually know from real life, and with this setup, the final battle makes up for everything. It's not a comedy that makes you die from laughter all the time, but a story with jokes here and there that turns into a drama.
@@marocat4749 If you like vintage/alternative movies on this theme, I'd also reccomend 'They Fought For Their Country' by Mosfilm. It's officially available on RU-vid for free. It's a rare example of Soviet war movie admitting the Red Army was in terrible condition and soldiers wouldn't have transport or shoes or even food. There are problems that piss off some enthusiasts like tanks always going on fire at the rear etc. but the artillery barrage scenes are absolutely horrific while very realistic, and what we see afterwards is that those who survived are broken for life. Deaf, scared, shaking without control even weeks or months later. And there's a horrible scene when a soldier is going to bayonet charge is hit by shards from artillery shell everywhere, and he wakes up many hours later stranded in the wasteland, covered in his own blood, not really knowing what he is doing there, and only able to move one hand. Then he's found with a lone paramedic but she's too weak to move him. And then there's a surgery scene when a soldier curses in agony of pain because they have no anaesthetics and they cut him and remove many bullets while he's still conscious, and his main concern is that they cut his boots and he would have to walk bare foot again.
Why has no one written him like a good non action movie script to showcase his acting. He has always been able to act really well. And he has always been saying he wants to do a romance, write him a role romance role or father figure role, something with a tone similar to Lost in Translation or something
I an imaging him being good thre, but not in michelles role as good as her. And he is grat as well so i jut cant imagine it as that story with him as her.
@@G6PD - and Jackie sure knew how to hold the correct political view once he bent over for the CCP (oh, and plenty of Hollywood creatives are conservative; but they wisely avoid becoming crazy Trumpists. Can’t be “either/or” like that in China AT ALL).
The last movie I remember seeing with Jackie that I enjoyed was The Foreigner (with Pierce Brosnan). I thought it was a breath of fresh air for him cause despite him bringing his stuntwork and martial arts work into the mix, he also had to play a realistic kind of character. This was a pretty good take for him. The movie was on a $35M budget, and made $145M in turn. And that was probably the most well reviewed movie he had in his catalog for a while. Dragon Blade was alright, if because I loved the story it told. Everything else from the last 10-15 years I cannot speak for. But I think I will see Railroad Tigers.
Eh, 1911 felt like a big propaganda piece for me, and little else. Like, a central piece of the beginning and end is the deaths of the young men who fought beside Jackie to overthrow the regime; it’s made out to be really tragic and heroic, “We will remember their names forever,” bla bla bla… But we didn’t know them. We were meant to feel sorry for some young men we’d seen for a couple minutes, not because the movie made us feel empathetic, but because it told us it needed to be. Plus, Jackie Chan isn’t nearly in it as much as the promotional material would suggest. It’s a bland movie, and an obvious propaganda flick. No wonder it has a 5% (!) on Rotten Tomatoes
I grew up in a world where Jackie Chan's movies made it into theaters. It is odd being shown so many titles I missed. It reminds me of when I had to rent all of Jackie's old 70's, and 80's movies. Looks like I have some movie watching to catch up on.
That's just modern America, sadly. Hollywood is very much interested in breaking out into China, but America couldn't care less about playing foreign movies in its theaters unless they have some kind of prestige behind them.
@@KingSigy Hollywood is worried about their movies being so WOKE approved that China and other nations will not let them in without serious editing. Their virtue signaling make their story suck in first place, which leaves no room for clever plots or characters in second place.
@@KingSigy I mean, it makes sense. Hollywood is unrivaled in terms of production value. Not many markets can match up. Naturally, this means the marketing is also more widespread. Conversely, I'm not sure if Chinese film makers have as much of a vested interest in reaching an international audience as American ones.
@@KingSigy - when the next video talks about Vanguard, it'll make a lot of sense why so many Chinese movies don't get much play in American theaters. But I would push back only prestige foreign films, it'll depend on the market, I get many Indian films in the AMC, Cinemark and Regal theaters around here which do not look very good.
One of his latest movies that I loved was The Foreigner . It was very grounded and I found Jackie playing a role which I had not seen him play earlier . Though I have not watched Railroad Tigers becoz of the bad reviews but after watching this video I will watch it as well .
@@Indrakusuma_a I would characterize Railroad Tigers as a light comedy on a serious historical subject. The Foreigner was on a serious modern-day subject but had no comic elements, which was appropriate considering the plotline. I liked Jacky in both, but which one I watch depends on my mood. Overall, I thought The Foreigner was a much more compelling movie even though its plotline of a revenge-seeking father killing the bad guys was not new.
@@Indrakusuma_a IMO, The Foreigner is one of his best. I really wish he would do more serious parts like that, as he is not only good with the action part but also the acting is pretty great too...
The Foreigner was probably the first time that I really thought that Jackie Chan was a great dramatic actor. It's serious, the villains are understandable, and the hero isn't a particularly good person either. He doesn't have to be funny and he can be a bit more reserved with action sequences. I wish they'd give him more opportunities to do more films like it.
A lot of people know him for "child friendly Jackie" but he already had some kind of predefined roles before he started to do a lot of international productions in the early 2000's. In his early carrer of kung-fu comedy he was what I call the "good son". Then he shifted to modern settings and often played the "hard-boil cop" . And at some point in the 90's he started playing "himself", as some of his characters were often a combination of cocky/rich/famous/womanizer.
I definitely have to check out Railroad Tigers now. It’s clear from his interviews that he’s always wanted to be taken seriously as an actor so this all makes sense. My last favorite of his was Little Big Soldier. I thought that did a great job of using him and it didn’t feel like a Jackie Chan vehicle.
I watched that movie in my early teens. I was high on Jackie Chan movies and wanted to watch all of them. I have very strong memories related to the movie. I expected it to be another Jackie film but it was historical, emotional, and had a real character arc. I am scared of watching it again because I feel it was better in my memory.
Yeah its pretty great actually, and yes he dios use humor, but it does use more dark humor thats fitting for an anti war movie than his. And its sad. In a good way, the movie. Plus yah jackie gets to be a grounded man who is a bit of an everyday and fool character, which kinda blnds his strengh, an let him be srious and funny an blend both. Ha to watch trailroad tige too tat seems to hit the same.
I really didn't know that his career went THIS downhill, even though he has his own flaws as a person, I still enjoyed his movies a lot as a kid and when I was older so it's really sad to see the same person who created a love and respect for martial arts in me is in this state now and I didn't even know anything about it. Also love your videos @Accented Cinemas I've never said it before but I believe that you should have over a million subscribers for the hard work you put in your videos.
It’s life man you get older your body slows down sadly some people are unable to maintain their physique as they get older doesn’t mean we can’t respect him for his influence on martial arts films and how he made it famous in the west other than Bruce lee those are the only people I have respect for when it comes to martial arts films
@@mrrpggamer2 The bigger problem is how the whole film is made. It's a wrong concept to expect an over 60 years old guy to still do sick stunts he did when he was in his 20s or 30s. The problem is not that Jackie is old, but that writers and directors failed to deliver. If Jackie played well as an actor, you can't blame him for anything, maybe except that he didn't see the weakness in the scrip and accepted the role. But then often something looks good on paper and fails in execution, plus you can't blame him for wanting to keep going. He probably enjoys playing in movies, have been doing it his whole life and nothing kills an old human quicker than resignation from hobbies and activities one enjoys.
bro have you watched the video? the point isn't to say these movies are bad per se, they are different than the usual jackie chan's stuff we have come to expect from him
This kind of reminds me of a thing about oranges. Because the godfather kept putting them in dark scenes they became a bad omen in film and could then be used in future cinema to imply a scene was going to end badly. Actors that are too consistent become oranges
I had skipped Railroad Tigers because of the slump in Jackie's filmmography that it was in the middle of, but you have convinced me to seek it out! Looking forward to part 2
No matter what the critics says, Jackie Chan will be remembered for generations to come, he has done so much in the movie industry and he's beyond Hollywood, and no one dared to imitate him 100% yet but there are few who have potential but still there can be only one Jackie Chan.
i went to visit his museum when i was a kid expat in Hong Kong. Kacie Chan and Jean-claude van damme are the only reason why martial arts resonated with me.
I think it's very normal for stars famous for their physical performances to taper off in quality performances. What can work is when they switch over to the older, supporting characters, or a very well acted drama. Then their legacy can end with higher prestige as a character actor as well. The problem is so many of these actors get hired to boost middle of the road films with the power of their name attached
I've been watching Jackie Chan movies all my life, and I'm sad that Shinjuku Incident didn't get the love it really deserves, and is really the first movie of Jackie when I thought that I was seeing something different, new, and an evolution. It's wonderfully muted and tragic in its small scale. But like any other big name artist, people always want more of what they liked about them originally, so they'll keep paying money to see it even if it's half a shade of the original.
I actually love his other stuff (the ones where he's not the "asian cop stereotype"). It shows how versatile jackie can be. In my opinion, The Foreigner was phenomenal
The Foreigner was great, it was a great peformance. Something that we have never seen Jackie play as before. I think he needs to do similar roles like that.
I felt like The Foreigner that jackie acted in was his best film, in terms of drama and action scenes he was good at portraying grieve, and he is super serious, even the fighting was out to maim / kill, not for comedy sake as he is known for !
I really liked Dragon Blade. The premise was unique and it was equal parts totally silly and incredibly fun. Fantastic action, costumes, and sets. Also, imagine getting to say "yeah I did a sword fight against Jackie Chan" on your resume!
Jackie Chan has been a has-been in Hong Kong for at least a decade. He's been focusing on mainland China market so he's made movies that appeal to mainland Chinese audience and stayed away from any topics or details that CCP may find offensive.
i saw railroad tigers personally and the first half of the film feels really weirdly edited almost like videogame cutscenes, the second half was every bit bombastic and action packed as I wanted it to be so i enjoyed it overall!
Hmm, regarding Jackie Chan's more drama based outings. I've always thought Shinjuku Incident (2009) was what made me think that Jackie maybe has a future in drama driven movies. But it's unfortunate that he was never provided opportunities to explore more in that direction.
I seen Shinjuku Incident a couple of years ago and really enjoyed it, seeing Jackie playing his usual Kind Hearted character in a serious, violent criminal underworld was refreshing. Seeing him cry was heart wrenching too.
I wish Jackie became a Hollywood consultant - and directors would actually listen to him! No more shaky cam and bad action scenes! Make them clean, easy to follow and funny again!
The most defining one is obviously The Foreigner. Seen the movie, and the contrast between Jackie's usually comedic style of acting and a brooding old man seeking revenge for the death of his daughter is astounding.
- 2-part series titled jackie chan’s bad movies - entire 1st part about the good movies where he shows versatile acting skills in a career moving away from his stunts of his youth Excellent move.
No matter how old he gets, I love his acting, I love his action that he can provide, I like what he brings to cinema. Be it Rush Hour which was my exposure to him, to Rumble in the Bronx, Drunken Fist, Tuxedo, all the way to Foreigner and more? I'll never stop......but I don't think this Railroad Tiger is a best film In 10 years kind of thing... probably because it's an intentional comedy of a serious time period and it's not my thing but I'll try it out.
Never. We may say he doesn't command the same box office numbers or does the most exciting films. But he's reached that peak where you can say he's one of the greats. International and intergenerational icon. The likes of which I wonder if we'll see again.
It's hard enough breaking from an art style I've been practicing for a few years, I can't imagine what it is like for Jackie to break from a style of acting and movies he's been known for for DECADES!
Mad respect for JC,a living legend. I havent seen most of his recent movies cause i know i will be disappointed but i get it,we all getting older. I kind of trashtalked him as a person ,called him a fascist and a bad father but i regret it. Who am i to talk? I know nothing about his hardships,all i know is that this guy gave me so much entertainment he literally changed my life for the better. I wish him the best and i will always love him.
I’ve seen so many reviews for these movies complaining there isn’t enough action. People just thinking they know what a movie is going to be and upset that it wasn’t that.
I do wonder if the more global approach mainland Chinese cinema takes is the reason for Chan's development as an actor. Back in the glory days, HK cinemagoers very much liked when actors played to type, so it was rare you got to see unique roles for established names. People love Dragons Forever today, but that movie did not do well at the HK box office specifically because the three leads played against type.
The first time I really thought to myself "damn...this guy can actually act" when watching Jackie was (hear me out) the Karate Kid remake. There is one scene in particular in that movie that really surprised me with his ability to deliver raw emotion. I must admit that before that I previously just thought of him as an action star that acts in movies rather than an actor who does action scenes if that makes sense. oh and I liked the foreigner and dragonblade out of all the movies hes done in the past ten years
To this day, one of my favorite Jackie Chan movies is Shinjuku Incident. A movie where there wasn't any sort of action sequences we'd come to expect from Jackie. At first it was a letdown, but half way through the movie I started to realize that he was as competent at acting as he was at throwing kicks and being funny. It was really refreshing at the time and completely changed how I view this actor.
"Set you expectations right, and it can be a very refreshing experience" i totally respect this and implement it on my opinions and perspective mostly in gaming where im relevant w/
lol-ed at the "ming ming bai bai wo de xin" reference, since i quite liked the song, its instantly recognized, though i remembered the co-singer Sarah Chen more than Jackie
Me and alot of people can't not see him as a CCP mouthpiece. Yes, it has nothing to do with his art, but it was everything to do with ticket sales. Classic Jackie is tied to the good memories of Hong Kong and how it used to be before China started strangling it to death. "Jackie Chan" is supposed to be fun and Cantonese. Jackie Chan being serious and acting in Mandarin just breaks the immersion and makes you think of his short comings and how crappy everything the CCP is making everything now.
I've seen Skiptrace and thought it was fine enough, but it's good to know some of these others are alright too! Railroad Tigers in particular seems like it might be a fun evening watch, and it's kind of wild to see Jackie playing the Wise Elder Statesmen General type in Dragon Blade, and looking the part too.
I remember my dad renting us Rumble in the Bronx from our local blockbuster. He started my love of king fu movies. That and a 5 pack of shaw brothers movies we got at Walmart. It feels so weird to see a man who seemed invincible to me as a child grow old before my eyes
I think let's not forget that Hong Kong, a place where he was once respected, now practically hates him due to his pro-CCP views. That and his personal troubles went full tabloids and affected his career. He kinda went the same career faltering as Tom Cruise, but unlike Chan, Cruise always tries to reinvent himself to mold into the kind of movie he and his audiences would want to see. That's practically why his latest Mission: Impossible movies, Edge of Tomorrow, American Made, and more recently, Top Gun: Maverick were instant blockbuster classics. Chan does not have that allure he once had. He practically peaked early with his crazy stunts and that's where his appeal was waning.
imo Chinese Zodiac (CZ12) pretty much sums up his public image in the recent decade, the movie has decent action, but everything other than that are totally shit.
I mean, Jackie Chan's basically set for life at this point. He's already carved his legacy into cinema and it seems like he's just doing whatever he feels like regarding roles, which considering all he's accomplished he'd be more flexible with the roles he takes. Plus it's about time he's retired tbh
I will say, railroad tigers was genuinely a fun watch. I saw it a few weeks back, and it really does show what Jackie can do outside of just his regular shtick of only adding highly executed fight scenes into his movies. It's my h more laid back, and like so many have pointed out, it's because he's had such a long career filled with bangers after bangers, each almost re defining kung fu flicks, or actions flicks he's at an age where that's just not possible for him to physically keep up anymore. I think the issue is it's less about him not being good enough or capable enough for solid acting, it's more the fact reviewers and consumers all around still expect the classic Jackie Chan combat flair. I don't think his careers gone down hill as much as people say, just that it's not quite in the same path it once took as many other 80s and 90s action stars.
I'm really interested In how your gonna review the foreigner since it just a weird split of a movie with two plot point seeming to drift apart from each other as the film go on.
I'm not sure if part 2 is going to get into his very pro CCP stance. This does not make him a popular celebrity especially in Hong Kong where he was born. Maybe his international audience doesn't care about his political views but could have consequences in the Asian film market. It could all be Jackie knows where his bread is buttered and he plays along so that he can still get his movies made and not get censored by the CCP.
Love history, love historical accuracy, but also LOVED Dragon Blade - if you think of the story like the discovery of Atlantis and appreciate the premise more than the overall acting, it's pretty fun and action-packed
He admitted in a Chinese interview around a decade ago that he has no respect for his Western films or audiences. He said he is ashamed letting his friends or family see them. He is not a has-been; he's a never-was.
This guy is always against Jackie Chan and try to put him in a negative light but Jackie is the Most Famous actor on the Planet and one of the Most Famous people in our Time he is so much loved and have such a Reputation around the Planet that Every actor or general famous person from the West can only dream of
Jackie Chan's contributed so much to cinema behind the camera and in front and even though there are some movies which are total misfires there's are a lot that work and which come together quite nicely to give us a truly cinematic experience, I try to watch all of his movies that I can and I enjoy most of them but yes there have been some terrible one's.
i usually see people invoking his name as a director like "they should make this anime into a movie with jackie chan directing" because really Jackie Chan the actor wouldn't have been as great if the coreography and cinematography wasn't as good, i wish he was directing movies with newer actors, instead of only acting and not directing, but at least a bunch of people who worked with him behind the camera are making good movies now, like shang chi
Calling him a "has been" is a disservice to all of the hard work and suffering he endured for our entertainment. He's older now. He paved the way for other stuntman. Can u imagine people calling Bruce Lee a has been if he never died.
I also don't think we can underestimate the effects of events and actions in his personal and political life have had on reviews and, especially on the movies after Foriegner, the Box Office.
Jackie Chan should do more dramas, he's a decent actor and still has screen presence of an "everyman" charisma that is actually somewhat lacking in Chinese cinema.
You reminded me of the first movie I saw a somehow different Jackie… playing a selfish bastard that redeems himself in the most selfless way possible. Little big soldier will always be one of my favorites, and as far as I’m concerned, one of first movies that showed the intention of Jackie of becoming something more. Regreftully… that is not solely on Jackie’s side if it works or not. :( That said… waiting part 2 eagerly!!! The insight of your videos is always refreshing. :)
When Chinese Zodiac released, I misinterpreted it to be his last film, so I appreciated all the stunt work and the action in it, and the movie still holds up. Well, I was wrong about the last film part. I have only seen two of his new films, Dragon Blade and Bleeding Steel. Dragon Blade for me was the most memorable one (since I saw it in our school library for some reason, and it had John Cusack and Adrien Brody of all people). Oh, and Bleeding Steel was mid.
Dragon Blade was one of those movies I thought was trash and wanted to hate so badly, but when I finally just sat down and watched it, I found it to be very enjoyable. Everyone is eating the scenery, and at points it doesn't feel like it makes any sense at all, but the performances are given 100% and in the end I was just happy I watched it.
Jackie Chan's kung fu movies, action comedy films are the only movies that my parents allowed us to watch when we were kids. He's a legend. He's my grandfather. But he doesn't need to know that.
I can see the really "bad" stuff coming up in part 2. But even then, having watched them, they still put a smile on my face. And that's all I expect from Jacky Chan: the ability to entertain no matter how bad the movie is. And at the end of the day, that's what movies are for right? Entertaining people?
Holy shieeettt... When you pull out Police Story 2013, I'm surprised I've never heard that they remade Police Story again, but when you show clips of it, I realised I actually have seen the movie but completely forgot about it... LOL. It must have sucked so bad that I absolutely forgot I watched a Jackie Chan movie.
One of non-traditional Jackie's movie that sticks with me is Shinjuku incident. In there, he shines as an illegal immigrant with a lot of emotional baggage. It's one of a very weird yet very interesting movie to me.
Out of the films you discuss in this video, the only one I’ve seen is Railroad Tigers. I enjoyed it, but found it hard to follow at times. I think Jackie’s movies have always been inconsistent, from the very beginning. For example, Fearless Hyena is a much worse movie than Snake in Eagle’s Shadow. City Hunter wasn’t very good, nor was Mr Nice Guy. But they all had good action scenes to redeem them. Now that Jackie’s older, it’s natural that he has to rely on acting more than action, but I believe he’s capable of the transition if given a quality script and director. I think it would be wonderful to see him in non-action roles, but he could also update earlier stories - at this point in his career, he’d make a great Wong Kei Ying!
Jackie can't move to the next step until he removes himself from the action. No matter what movie he does, he feels like it still needs some action because that where he excels at and can be used as a scape goat. "That movie wasn't great but Jackie still got it with the action scene". If he allows himself to play a role without action, he can remove himself of the action stigma and let people judge him entirely on performance.
Nahhh totally disagree with you on Shinjuku Incident, that is one of his best works ever. The sudden plot twist of him not knowing how to fight at the start really sets the tone of the movie that its a non-action heavy drama movie, which is a good new take for me
Jackie has been trying to do more acting & less fighting/stunts since the late '90s. There was a Chinese interview at that time where Jackie talked about wanting to play more dramatic roles because he knew that "action star, life very short." Unfortunately for him, film studios only offered him action-comedy roles, especially from Hollywood. Not until he's senior enough in the late 2000s, he got more dramatic role from Chinese movies. Even then, scripts from Hollywood that he got was always "Police from Hongkong, Police from China, CIA from Hongkong, CIA from China." Only 1 dramatic role, which was as Mr. Han in The Karate Kid remake. So many scripts came to him were action-comedy scripts. Not until he got the script of The Foreigner, he returned to Hollywood because his role in The Foreigner was so dramatic & different than other roles he got.
The main issue isn't Jackie's physical age as much as his mental. He used to make fun movies that appealed primarily to teens and young adults. Now he's either making something dark, brooding and almost depressing and when he's trying to make something funny, he makes it flat-out childish. And just like Stallone, he's less interested in giving people what they want and more about jump-starting the careers of younger actors. If Jackie's getting too old for kung-fu, maybe he should use more guns. Perhaps a Chinese copy of Lethal Weapon starring him and Chow-Yun Fat. Have John Woo direct it. I'd watch that!
Jackie made me cry in one of the Police Story movie. Me and my freind were like where did this acting range come from. Cant even rememebr which movie though
To be honest we only love his films because he delivers the best fight signs especially in his prime but the storylines for his movies have never been amazing. Drunken Master 2 was a great film with great fight scenes but I can't think of any other film he's been in that had an engaging storyline.
Jackie Chan will always be relevant. He is a very good actor and should do drama and comedy movies. Shinjuku incident was amazing. There have to be better scripts written for him simple.
I just want to give a shout out to Rob-B-Hood. I have no ideas how it'll hold up today but I remember living it as a kid. Funny comedy, solid character dynamics, a bit of a realistic world an genuine emotion.
If a chinese movie shows more of his acting skills than his martial talent then he surely succeeded. But there is a stigma of him by the public that every movie he makes is a martial arts movie
Has he started caring about his family yet? It shows that he can act, so he should be able to understand with different roles and perspectives. Can he ironically see the damage he has done to his personal life?
Altough railroad tiger is really great, it also suffers some historical inaccuracies. For example like the woman in the japanese high command when there shouldn't be one in the field and the comically large chi-ha tank gun
Jackie Chan has in a way been type cast as THE ASIAN ACTION COMEDY HERO. So with his age affecting his ability to do the stunts he is known for, he's able to explore other roles that in the past he would've been overlooked for. It's unfortunate that it took aging for him to gain a better chance at proving his acting skills in more diverse rolls.
Everything he has done past the age of 45 is a bonus, enjoy it while you still can. Although I am of the opinion that he should have let the young talent come forward while he directed them. His legacy is secure, very rarely has someone left behind such a unique and such a strong body of work.
