I think this is the place where jack goes in his nightmares. I mean imagine seeing the town where you grew up completely deserted, muted and cut off from the rest of the world with nowhere to go. that's kinda terrifying.
its me mario wow this actually made me rly sad, I think because He is one of my childhood heroes and your thoughts could be real. sorry for the Bad english
its me mario Actually, Jak’s sort of going through that right now, he’s literally living his nightmares. Naughty Dog has pushed Jak aside and has left him to fend for himself in his lonely little world in the darkness.
This video helped me to realize how much this universe is part of me. Deep inside, I was so moved to see that village empty, like that feeling before crying. I also kind of blamed Naughty Dog for creating such incredible games without continuing them. The Last of Us is definitely interesting but it respects the movie codes way too much, it wasn't the same kind of video games I used to play. Jak and Dexter series, especially the first one, was a different experience from movies. I guess it's the unrealistic-yet-universal making of this series I'm talking about. Why would you bother imitate perfectly the reality when you can do much more than that? I mean, it's way more challenging to imitate reality but so what? Legend of Zelda, Ratchet & Clank, Resident Evil, Grim Fandango, Shadow of the Colossus etc. Despite not having nowadays graphics they have a rich universe. Can you imagine Shadow of the colossus is going to celebrate its 10th birthday? Majora's Mask its 15th birthday? Why do developers waste time with graphics, video games need more amazing stories like those. Thanks for that amazing video! Now I know that I sound like an oldy when talking about video games... I should work on that.
Sacha Niel I understand what you're feeling. When I saw Sandover Village empty and when I saw the game would never return to that place in this state, I became very sad. It's so peaceful and safe, and knowing that it 's going to be destroyed is just kind of heart breaking. I wonder what happened with the villagers and the sages, but also with the precursor temples and the parts of the world.
No, I'm exactly the same way. A few weeks ago, one of the Jak X songs (which are all amazing) was playing in my head, and I decided to dust off my ps2 and pop in Jak X. I was filled with so much nostalgia and um tears (of HAPPINESS OF COURSE!). I was also wondering what happened to the sages and the residents, as well as to the precursor artifacts. They should make a Jak 4.
I agree I don't know for tou but when i was young i played with my brother at Crash Bandicoot ! We had the 4 naughty dogs games ... I say that because when the other company buy the crash bandicoot franchise .... The next games were shity ! The only good one were the one made by naughty dog ! That's all my child memory ! Sorry if i takes a moment of youre time reading my comments..... OH and sorry for the ugly vocabulary .... Im FRENCH (canadian) :)
My thoughts exactly! It really makes me sad, and secretly I wonder: What happened to the villagers when the Metal Heads attacked? Did they die? Did they somehow survive? And I'm also wondering what happened to places such as the Forbidden Temple and the other Sages. Did the other sages die? And now seeing the village empty is just... kinda creepy.
I assume the fisherman is one of those obese men with big asses in the city. The metalheads prolly killed the sculptor cuz he's always high. And of course, the yakows survived because they are INDESTRUCTABLE stronger than the lurker sharks themselves.
Imagine if Jak and Daxter, Keira and Samos had originally been planned to come back here at the end of Jak 2, But they decided to make jak 3 in a completely different map. The feels of this place are tooooo strong
Wow, seeing jak come back to the place he grew up in after all that trauma is so sad. It doesn't help that it's so empty and quiet. I know it's only a glitch, but it makes me wonder how jak would feel after returning to sandover village only to see it so empty. Damn.
Makes sense tho, it's in the beginning of the game after all before they shot off into the portal. It's a lot easier to port the whole thing over than reworking it and cutting it down to just a few places in the village
@Frogger What I mean is that there are assets for Sandover that aren’t shown in the cutscenes yet still remain in the game. Like the scout fly boxes being replaced with KG Supplies. It’s interesting to see that ND converted the assets of the Scout Flies into KG boxes rather than make an entirely new entity from scratch when making Jak II. I imagine they changed the model and altered the rules regarding how players can break the boxes and left them in sandover as a test.
nah fairly sure they dropped it in to do the starting cut-scene and because the code would still be attached to it you can still walk on it, but the dark eco crates probably had the same id as the scout fly boxes which is why they appear
This feels so depressing being empty. It TPL it's filled with life and energy but here's it's desolate. When you go to Dead Town it doesn't have this feeling because you discover that it's the futuristic version ofSandover later on in the game. And it doesn't scream Sandover.
Nope the only reason this map is in the game is for the beginning cut scene the dark eco crates are just placeholders of some sort for the old scout flies which do not have textures in jak 2 this is a glitch as you can see in the beginning of the video he ejects the game from the ps2 during the cut scene which is why this happens
At first I thought this would just be a map to test out the game with, and then used for the cinematic scene at the beginning of the game... But then I saw the boxes with the Dark Eco... Maybe it was planned to have Jak and Daxter go back to Sandover Village once you beat the game 100%??? Who knows..
Seeing Jak from the second game back on this island makes me feel good and almost complete, not really sure why. Whatever the reason it makes me feel good and I'm not gonna question a great vibe like this...
Actually these boxes of Dark Echo were just "converted" from the old boxes from Jak 1, because that object in the engine got replaced in the development of Jak 2... it isn't easy to explain actually, sorry...
I suppose the code for the scout fly boxes remained quite untouched, but the look and purpose of the box and it's contents just changed. This is why there are those dark eco boxes; scout fly boxes remained from the first Jak game, but got replaced by dark eco boxes.
@ethankentman the jak 1 map is there for the opening cutscene. all the cutscenes are in real time in game. so that scene where the camera is panning through the city to samos' hut is really there.
god I wish i still had my ps2 I literally got the game still but accidentally threw away my ps2 but I really love the way that everything in a video of the game is actually there and how you can easily jut copy and past it to another game.
Definitely looks like a copy & paste job just for the cinematic but odd that the collision detection still works as well as the initial starting point. No idea why the game code would use it if anything but as for the models they may had the collision counterparts tied to them.
Recuerdo ver este vídeo cuando era nuevo y si que sentía una vibra rara al ver este video, tenia un presentimiento de lo que iba aún sin saber inglés y ahora que lo veo sigue causandome la misma angustia
I think it's more likely they just nabbed the first chunk of the island from the precursor legacy and ran out of time before they could completely remove all of the little details like the walkable textures and stuff.
If they make another game I hope they let us go to different time periods: Before The Haven City, While Jak was in prision, While Jak was exiled, When he was racing and when they went to the brink.
xXroadrunner 2fasttXx Scout fly crates... But what doesn’t make sense is that the ending to get 100 Precursor Orbs probably required you breaking all the Scout Fly crates.
xXroadrunner 2fasttXx you weren’t meant to... that’s why they are generic crates with no special coding difference to the normal generated Krimson Guard crates.
For any one curios , this is most likely a test stage , they most likely used this place to test the games new engine, and using Sandiver was most likely the easiest way to do so.
+FirePrinceZuko 77 I really imagine it is here because the entire landmass just had to be copied from the first game since it essentially loaded chunks of the map to make the illusion of a game with no loading screens. I think you can still walk on everything because unlike bridges and water they wouldn't have to recode simple floors. As for the eco boxes... that was just to reward someone for somehow getting there.
+Waltard Teh Burban the boxes were where scout flies were in the first game, so I think when they copied the area for the second game it loaded them as the guard boxes instead. (just a guess) This would also explain the oracle looking different
Jak 2 is still the game that made me a Boy becoming a Man. I played the games beforehand I played Crash on PS1 I did it It all comes together it all makes sense. I didn't play Jak 1, Got Jak 2, booted it up, . Tells me I beat the first game, and that it's a big day. Something outta space and time tells me I can't hide. I crash and wake up in the future. "We've been waiting for you" ... 20 Years Later I finally get it, I finally get the rest of it. I finally got to be a boy for one last second again as I connect it all together. I wake up 20 years in the future in my hometown, USA, It's not New Bark Town anymore. They came at night. Moms dead Everything is burnt down. I'm just a LITTLE upset.. Suddenly they're telling me I have to lay down in a chair so they can torture me and experiment on me. My best friend saved my life when I was trapped. Now that I'm out. I'm ANGRY. I'm angrier than Jak. I don't even get a CHANCE TO ADJUST TO THE FUTURE THESE GUYS COME UP AND SMASH MY FACE IN. NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE. It's not EVEN exaggerating to call this game prophetic.
The fact you can walk around and aren't falling through the environment points to 2 possibilities I think. Either at some point the devs originally intended for you to return to the island from the first game and play through another level there and this is an unfinished map or this glitch is overlayed on another map. Given that there are dark eco boxes in this map it could go either way but points more to the later as the original island wouldn't have boxes marked with either the Baron's symbol or that of the resistance.
well remember that area is later used in a key point in Jak 2 getting the flag from the tower and going back to the hut finding out it was their world in the future
Yes and no I believe the whole map may have been changed for that. Besides that might account for the stability of the ground in the map but not the color. No I expect the original file was imported, edited and they left part of an old partially finished file in the game either by accident or by sheer laziness lol.
Only this part of the original world file from the precursor legacy was kept specifically for the opening. You will notice textures have been removed from interior areas as to save even more space on the disc. It makes sense for naughty dog to only keep the sandover village file only as its all that is used in the cutscene. Proof that they ripped it straight from the precursor legacy can be seen with the scoutfly crates replaced with krimzon guard ones.
This is really interesting to see how game levels fit together. Clearly they copied and pasted the level from the Jak and Daxter data and had to use crimson crates to replace scout fly boxes to get it to work.
(contd. yet again) also the matter of there being no collision when it came to the water and the bridge. This is because as the moving models were replaced with the visually sharper models (as they operate like npc's outside of cutscenes on the engine... they have the same script as npc's) Naughty Dog realised that there was no need for collision as the player would not be playing on the scenery. Thus saving more space.
What you just described fits Jaxon's comment better though. I think they intended to have and end (or bonus) feature where the player could return to this area but it didn't make the cut.
My bet is that they intended to start the basic gameplay training in the past sandover village era and then train everything else in the future, but at some point changed their minds and left the village on the disk as an easter egg.
(contd.) Also Jak 2 runs off practically the same game engine as the precursor legacy but smaller polygons were introduced for sharper graphics. Another example of this would be the leap in graphics between ratchet and clank and ratchet and clank going commando. With this in mind the visuals of sandover vilage would have to be etched out more. For moving objects naughty dog only made them move when the camera would pan over them in the cutscene. This is why the fountain does not work, There is
They most likely used the base of Sandover Village to test the controls and animations, and to see how Jak reacts with enviromental obstacles, ETC :P Think of it as a testing playground
i think the reason the boxs are here is they needed the data from sandover village for later in the game for dead town and the boxs got left in the data because if this was an easter egg then i think the level would be a little more complete (being able to swim in the water etc)
this might sound made up, but I think I remember doing this when I was younger without having to do the cutscene, I would just put the JDPL disc in and only Sandover village would load. not entirely sure though.
Jak 3 Was still my faviourte.2 Just felt like 3 but less features.Story line with 2 was amazing but 3 had less people in hover cars which made races easier and had the hover board,more variety of guns and introduced light eco.
They're there for hit-detection test purposes. I think Naughty Dog just simply didn't bother removing them as they thought that no-one would find them at all so they really didn't have to.
It's like Jak grew shorter but looks more like an adult, that's disorienting. I knew something was up even when most of the citizens were taller than him. He only grew shorter
I guess they must have originally been planning on a way to get to Sandover Village, possibly post-game, and were actually programming the area but dropped it during production, otherwise this wouldn't be here. It had to be already in the game.
actully the area is copied from the first game and the eco boxes are where the scout fly boxes are but because there isnt any scout fly boxes in the games code the game replaces them with eco boxes
I search some video.You can find on youtube Jack and dexter 4 have a chance but its low.Because fcking developers made Jack X and another jack ass games.Another Jack games crushed history(Jack 1 - Jack 2 Jack 3 its Main History).Its possible but its really hard.
I Agree with You Anthony Bro This is actually the First Time that I've ever Watched this Game here on RU-vid Compared to some of those Ratchet & Clank Vids that I've also been Watching Myself here on RU-vid, but this one was also Awesome but I just don't Play these sorts of Video Games because They're So Addicting and I'm already Busy here on RU-vid a lot..But I really do Like & Love the Graphics and If I was over there in New Jersey, then I would've Played with You By Now bro man..Nice Game!
Well, the fact that there are breakable objects in some houses leads me to believe that they DID intentionally have this in the game, and left it as an easter egg, or this was originally part of the game, and they forgot to take it out.
its recycled from the first game, hence why it is solid, used for the opening cutscene, and the boxes filled with eco, probably beta's to see if the could be placed properly and used within a this new world but they needed to make sure, might as well use the world they already created instead of having to build a new one to test it on.
Because it was easier just to use what they had already made. They had already created the whole village as a section, so all they had to do is 'copy and paste it' for lack of a better words.
Yes it would but it would've been way more time consuming to go in and delete separate files. If you ever program it might be scripted as Game.Village(or something of that nature)and then under Village would be all the subparts, it would take a lot of time and figuring out to go in and delete all the extra or to just choose the pieces you want when you can just stop at Game.Village and have everything you need. Plus if you go back and watch the full cutscene, almost the whole village is viewed before actually going to Jak and the crew sitting in the machine.
I agree with you with all of that, but what about the random Crimson crates placed in some of the houses? Something's telling me that was the easter egg or Naughty Dog had plans for Jak to time travel back to Sandover in an earlier plot design when the game was still being developed. Hmm....
+TraZix The crimson crates were in place of the original barrels or those fly boxes from Jak and Daxter, they're the eqicilant to each other in the coding of the game so putting them there wasn't necessarily purposeful, they technically were already there, just not the same. As far as Jak traveling back, that's an interesting theory, but he wouldn't travel back till after Jak 3 so they had no reason to add that there. Plus according to the timeline of Jak when he finally does travel back, the village would not look like that, it would pretty much be wiped out.
@Ridgwaycer Every single glitch exists in the HD collection. They are a straight HD port, nothing has changed; except for some music parts and little graphics things like Light Jaks hair in the HD collection is yellow lol.
I'm starting to think that Naughty Dog reused the exact same engine from Jak & Daxter in Jak II. They probably thought "Well instead of wasting development time on a new engine, why don't we just do a copypasta job and call it a day!" This explains why crimson guard boxes pop up where scout flies are supposed to because the variable for scout flies in Jak & Daxter is the same as the variable for boxes in Jak II. This makes me wonder if hackers could make Jak from Jak & Daxter playable in Jak II.
I would do it too. I dont know whats gotten into Naughty Dog. Maybe Kor came back in time with an army of metal heads and secretly took over them forcing them to displease every single fan possible.
naw chances are they just recycled the environment for the cutscene. another theory is that there was a mission intended for Sandover as those boxes don't spawn there by chance. the developers had to put in the protocols to make them spawn in that location. proof: i'm a game developer. freelance stuff.
