Jak and Daxter - Where is Haven City Located in The World Space? 

Like Daxter said , "The more you think about it, the more it hurts the head".

The real question is: how the hell did they manage to build anything in that lurker shark infested water!?

If you look at Samos' hut in the first game and compare the height and water level in the second game, you'll also notice that the sea level has dropped considerably. So it's possible that the lower sea level allowed for more development by revealing more land to build on. Also not sure about Dead Town being the first part of Haven city necessarily. I just thought the buildings were old and crumbled because the metalheads had destroyed that part of the city first when the Baron decided to pull back. It's possible that Haven might be a metropolitan conglomerate of multiple villages and settlements in that area that eventually banded together to form a city.

I always thought that way: Mountain Temple = Forbidden Jungle The Dig = Fire Canyon Medal Head Nest = Misty Island Pumping Station = Sentinel Beach Dead Town = Sandover Village

Ugh that jak and daxter precursor legacy music....now I wanna play it again.

You get a decent overview during that one flying mission in Jak 3. You can pretty much see the entire world map in full 3D there - Even Misty Island just off of the harbor.

This blew my mind. Never would've guessed haven was built in the water. Trying to connect the games is really hard and interesting.

In the Jak 3 manual it says that Gol and Maia were in the precursor catacombs for a couple hundred years (2 hundred years). Jak put them there at the end of Precursor Legacy. That puts Jak 2 200 years after Precursor Legacy

I assume that if Jak 4 is ever made it will involve him traveling back in time and founding haven city

I always felt that Damas named Jak after Mar just because Damas was probably ruler of Haven City at the time of Jak's birth and wanted his son's name to be important just as Damas was, so he named him Mar out of tribute. And that THE Mar is someone else entirely.

the precursor basin is the dig, wow that explains the lurker totem pole being underground and it was an ancient artifact when lurkers ruled the land above

If you travel to the top of the barrens palace there is a distinct island that is foggy and jagged most likely to be misty island. And from there you can pin point where the first jak and daxter scenery or map would be. I my self was curious where the city had fallen on the original map.

Looking back at this video, it makes sense for Haven City to be built where it is. We see in the beginning of Jak 2 after the giant precursor rift gate lets the metal heads in. Which means over time as the metal heads grew in numbers, the villagers couldn't stay on the main land and had to venture off into into the ocean. Samos's being the best decision as green eco would help sustain the villagers even without food (at least thats how i think it works) where as rock village, although is also surrounded by water, may have been too dangerous with the amount of dark eco reservoirs there are in the lost precursor city for the metal heads and whatever evil lurkers were still present. Samos's just seems the most ideal location to build a new city from when you have a constant source of life energy to keep you going.

That's definitely the original Haven City. Remember Torn what Torn said about "before" when he was a crimson guard? The metal heads assaulted and the new barrier was built and recreated inside the walls. And Samos somehow stayed behind and stopped the attack but by then the new city was probably built and they just abandonned the ruins.

I would love to see Jak 2/3 type of game in the map of Jak 1 and Jak w combined, with All the structures from Jak 1 (Forbidden Jungle, Mountain Pass, etc)

Just thinking that poor Piranha plant was just left alone after they used the warp gate.... r.i.p. my dude piranha plant.

It does say how much time has passed , if I remember correctly, Keira or Samos says 500 years. I could be wrong its been a while since I've played it

What always bothered me, is, After the first game, You never see misty island again… if the lurkers turned good after gol and maya lost influence over them, wouldn’t misty island be a chill place? If you took a boat there, you’d probably be welcomed with milk and cookies after the events of the first game…. So why can’t we go back?!?!? It would’ve been cool to see it again from a not so spooky point of view

Cynical I just want to say this. SCREW THOSE PEOPLE THAT HATE YOUR NON-KH VIDEOS. You post whatever you want regardless of what those fools say. Your true fans will support you all the way, and I am proud to be one of them.

Can't we use the orientation of Samos' hut to get the position of Haven city? The door to the hut faces Sandover (J&D) and also towards Haven in J&DII. Although that'll require checking and some more careful measurements.

My real question is how the hell did they move the Rift Rider from Gol and Maia’s Citadel all the way to Samos’s hut

Can we just get Jak 4? Imagine a massive open world Jak game with some top tier graphic/animation and has massive map, so massive you have all 3 cities from Jak 2, 3, and X. Also it undos the events of Lost Frontier and please actually make Kiera part of the main cast again. She said barely any words in Jak 3. Bring back the crew Naughty Dog, come on.

You did very well dodging the Crimson Guards haha. I loved that Ratchet and Clank billboard. The small crossover details made it fun to play both series.

Great video. I'm pretty sure someone at Naughty Dog said that when they were making Haven City they were trying to base it off the world in Jak 1 but as they kept on creating the world they didn't really focus on basing the map of Haven City off the original game. But you can see that they tried to do it like having Samos's hut and the mountain areas you go too could be based off Snowy Mountain in the first game.

We can compare where the city is by looking at the main door at samos hut, and since we know that when we first see the hut in the second game we see it from the side we can determin that the map is correct

real question is where is Spargus city and the wasteland located on this map

Drinking game: Take a shot every time he says "of course"

Would love an official map of the Jak and Daxter world with locations from Precursor Legacy, Jak II, Jak 3, Jak X, Daxter and The Lost Frontier all included. I doubt Naughty Dog would do that nowadays.

Jak was named Mar by his father: Damas. Damas named him after his ancestor: Mar. I really don't think Jak is the same Mar that founded Haven City. He can't be his own great great great grandfather, Keira might have been his romantic interest back in the first Jak & Daxter, but there is zero evidence that they had any children together. And if Jak had no children in the past, then he cannot be the original Mar. I think the Warrior in Rock Village finally got his act together and possibly had a descendant that would be the original Mar. Also remember that when Jak, Daxter, Samos, and Keira opened the Precursor Rift gate, That's when the Metal Heads or "Hora-Quan" first arrived in this world. Sandover Village would have been the first place they attacked, and they probably went from there to conquer the rest of the world from the Precursor Legacy, getting their hands on all the Dark Eco stores from Gol's Citadel and from Misty Island. The people would have had to use Eco to construct Haven City as a safe Haven from the Metal Head Menace. the younger Samos of the future aka the Shadow would have set up shop in the Ancient hut that was home to the older Samos. So maybe Dead Town was where the original Sandover Village was and was both the first place to be invaded by the Metal Heads and the last stand before Baron Praxis took over Haven City. Also, given the passage of time, the entire landscape of the Jak & Daxter Continent could have changed.

Damn I've been waiting for this ever since I was a kid, awesome video man and I'm glad you included that deviant art picture too We need more Jak and Daxter stuff, platforming at its best!

Jak isn't "the" Mar, because Jak vanished from the timeline for a handful of years at the start of Jak 2. He's more like... Mar the 306th or something. He's part of Mar's lineage and happens to be named after him, but he isn't the original Mar, if that makes sense.

I think Geyser Rock is the Pumping Station. I also think the location of the Metal Head Eggs mission in Jak 2 is in the Snowy Mountains. As for the wasteland, I think it's the remnant of everywhere else you visited in Jak 1 except for red sage hut.

Jak isn't the Mar who founded Haven city. It's explained in Jak 3 that Jak was originally named Mar by Damas, who was a direct descendant from the Mar who founded Haven, and ruled the city before being betrayed by Baron Praxis and cast out into the wasteland. He was renamed Jak in order to keep his identity a secret from those who wanted to kidnap him and attempt to harness his eco powers.

were i to write jak 4, i would definitely explore the whole "Mar built haven city" thing as a full plotline. Jak probably gets sent back in time for (insert plot reason here) and stumbles upon an advanced version of sandover village, where they're getting better technology. jak then has to help defend the fledgling city, and help expansion into the water. mayhaps tell the tale of how the metalheads rose to be a prominent faction in the world and try to fend them off.

Sandover Village became the Medieval part of Haven City that was destroyed by the various Metal Head species that were coming through the Rift Gate and was then dubbed as Dead Town but the newer rundown but still active Haven City was built over Sentinel Beach and the farm land next to Sandover Village and also Fire Canyon

OMG OKAY! so go to EXPLORING THE PALACE mission in jak 2 right? then look out, there is that one island with dark eco. then an island between that and samos hut, see it? THE ECO MINING PLACE IS MISTY ISLAND AND THE OTHER PLACE IS GEYSER ROCK These 3 points allow you to figure out the rest. Just a discovery I found.

It seems like, they built a big barrier of walls with weights and floats, then drained the water using the Precursor chasms we learn are under haven city. Lurker Sharks would probably struggle as Metal Head fish start stealing their food. Even if the Metal Head water variants are smaller, they seem to be more superior as a species than lurkers and would eat all food and drive Lurkers off. I really want a game where we explore more of the world in Jak and Daxter, then how Haven City was built or just the technology they developed, then after Jak 3 when light eco has been found in better quantities, how they’d use it and rebuild haven city after everything in Jak 3.

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maybe the local villagers didn't want construction, so they built on the ocean, then it eventually spread into their small village. It would make sense jaks descendants are the founders of the city because the green sage hut is still preserved.

Jaks name is Mar, but no he is not the Mar, we can tell this from the fact that before damas died, he showed jak the red medallion and said it is "a symbol of our lineage to the great house of Mar", meaning that they are descendants of the original mar.

Daemus from Jak 3 is related to Mar, and Jak is Daemus's lost son. Jak was taken from Daemus from the City Mayor and sent back in time because Jak was the righful

It does state how many years in the future they are, in many booklets and by word of lead dev we know that it takes place 300 years in the future

What if when they went through the Rift Gate into the future they only traveled through Time, not Space? Point A is Samos’ hut, and point B is the place in Haven where Jak and Daxter lands. The coordinates for point B would be somewhere out in the ocean in the Sandover era, right?

Iam verrry supersized that no one has ever mention/theorized this for so many years and it’s very interesting now hear me out ok precursor basin could indeed be haven forest I mean the flower from jak and dexter 1 that you help grow after killing the infected plants Could be the life tree in haven forest many years later wouldn’t it makes sense I mean that would mean Samos and jak literally created a paradox with the trees beginning as the flower and how his future self got his power to begin with from said same plant/tree in the future and Samos obviously knowing about this paradox when telling jak to clear out the infected plants in jak 1. Anyway also in jak 3 you have to clear out corrupted plants again witch is south of the same area of hevan forest witch has to be what was originally precursor basin witch also had infected plants And once again infected plants that has only happened in that area/map of the jak and dexter story/lore hmm? If true then this is pretty much like Zelda skyward sword with the tree thing and by the way yeah the life seed that Samos had in his hut he could have grabbed it from that same plant and placed it in his hut before leaving the past This is just something I thought I would bring up.

2:09 oh shit Samus the bounty hunter had a hut?

6:55 kinda resembles Rock Village.

I thought Jak was just royalty and born into the house of Mar.

You can look at the Jak and Daxter wiki for Mar. It says that Jak is a distant descendant of the original Mar, and that Jak was named after him.

Heaven City in Spain this is Villa Refugio

the strip mine could be where misty island used to be

5:02 Rachet and Clank lol

But why would anyone take on the impossible task of creating a whole city in the ocean when there's a whole continent of land right there to build on? Especially when there's an apocalypse of killer bugs literally everywhere. That's my biggest problem with this theory.

Dammit now i have to replay...all of them

The real way to find out if this map is accurate including Haven City where it is on the old map, is to look which way Samos's hut is facing, mainly the door.

Reasons why the landscape doesn't quite match up, incorrect islands and such, could be to do with Precursor technology. In the first game we see Klaww using Precursor technology to produce massive boulders in seconds. It's not a stretch to say that the landscape could have been purposely altered in the time gap between the two games.

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I think is says in the Jak 3 manual where it walks about Gol and Maia, it says "They're bee wondering down there for a couple hundred years" or something along those lines. So it is somewhere between 200 and 300 years between Jak 1 and 2.

My headcannon is that jak is named after mar, and isn't the actual mar, but rather is a descendent of mar, and from the storys we get, it sounds like mar was godlike or was just straight up an actual god.

It is a shame the devs didn't make Haven on the original world. I like new places, but it would be cool if they made it so that we could recognize it.

I have been dying for someone to theorize on this subject and you did it! Thank you!

Samos hut being there doesn’t make sense unless you prescribe to the idea that Jak is THE Mar. Only an older Jak would build an urban area but keep a little hut that is out of time and doesn’t fit in the area.

Comparison of the Haven City Map.

Idk why i understood Samus like from Metroid when you mention samos

at 5:00 you can see a ratchet and clank sign and top you can see the naughty dog picture with the city's own different language

Theres a little issue with this where is the desert from jack 3 cus its huge. like u can probs fit haven city into it almost twice. and if the desert is a part of the map then how dose it fit into the ocean that haven city is ment to be in cus it cant be part of the original map.

This was a good, well done change of pace:) Nice video man!

It is stated within the game that they traveled into the future via the Precursor Ring, therefore the areas within J&D:TPL are no longer going to remain there as time passes and how Sandover became as it is in Jak II.

Isnt jak 2 a pre and a sequel? That would mean that the city got fully destroyed which happend in Jak 3 And nature did the rest

WOW as soon as I saw rock village on the map the shark sounds kicked in like I was playing the game again NOSTALGIA

So the underground mine is apparently underneath the Precursor Basin... interesting.

The waterfall on the map of Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy still confuses me.

I would love an open world Jak game where you fend off the city from metal heads, thugs, dark precursors, and the corrupt police force as well as helping monks, friends, and learning about precursors. Throw in a PvP game mode like team death match and battle royale, and co-op missions and PvE horde modes and sell it! I mean each of the Jaks were kinda open world but the game was over after the story ended unless you were a completionist.

Wikipedia reckons the game is set about 500 years in the future and if i'm honest I remember reading something similar near when the game got released, my theory is it's just an inconsistency (one which they've done a terrible job covering up, especially since the map seems to change again in Jak 3)

I LOVE the Jak and Daxter trilogy games!!! I'm so playing them again once I get some organization going.

I think haven city was far bigger based on how much we see of ruins stretched out in the sand over area and could’ve possibly been a huge pert of the main continent

Maybe they used misty island in the making of the city. They could have used the dark eco reserves gol and mia were using as a source of power for the foundations of the city.

Jak isn't Mar. He's Mar's Grandson. As you play Jak 2, you find out that the kid is the heir to Mar and Jak is that kid. Damas in Jak 3 is Jak's father. It's confusing, but you'll get it later on

I think the orientation of the hut is something you may have overlooked. If you look at Dead Town, the ruined portion going away from the city, faces the water. Comparing it to the shot in the Precursor Legacy, it lines up with the ocean along Sentinel Beach. My guess is dead town and the area nearby are developed versions of Sandover Village and Forbidden Jungle. Plus, the magma in Fire Canyon could've begun to cool over the roughly 300 years and allowed for a path to be cleared for the city, headed north. Of course, with the size and rectangular shape of Haven City, I personally believe it probably expands into some of the area that is originally ocean in Precursor Legacy and wealthy areas like the Stadium district may even go past the original Location of Gol and Maya's Citadel. Even if Naughty Dog doesnt make another Jak game, I think providing some clear lore on this would be awesome from them

Nice change of pace from the usual KH videos, can you cover fallout?

Finally someone bringing up what everyone was thinking, great video mate!

I always thought the Mountain Temple was part of the Forbidden Jungle from Precursor Legacy.

Note for all: pay attention to the final cutscene in jak 3. When jak claimed he wouldn't travel with the precursors and leave daxter behind(after the ship took off) he wasn't wearing mars armor (he was before the ship left) so I theorize that he went back in time and built haven city and also left the armor pieces of mar for jak to find again because of time paradoxes

Okay about the Mar thing, there was A Mar that built old Haven City but it wasn't Jak. Jak is in his bloodline though and his father Damos (I think that's his name the guy from the third game) named Jak Mar after him it wasn't until they were over thrown by the baron or when he was sent back in time that his name was changed to Jak

I think this map is wrong, there are no lands where the forest and the percursor temple are shown here. Just stand in the front door of samos' hut in both games and do the alignment. I think the pumping station is where sentinel beach and forbidden jungle used to be with the lower ground levels now under water, the water slams were built in the water area just outside sentinel beach. the dig site is probably what the fire canyon turned into. The weapons factory and the green area beneath it is aproximately where Rock Village used to be. The green areas inside Haven City, as well as Haven Forest and Precursor Temple are probably on the lands that are seen on the upper left corner of the official Jak 1 map (they have no details). The rest of the city was built on water The desert area on the left of this screeshot (vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/jakanddaxter/images/e/ef/Haven_City_from_Jak_II_render.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120211124535) was probably under water during the age of the first game, and was formed later, since there no desent in the first game (you can see the whole world from the top of Gol and Maia's Citadel).

These discussions and theories just go to deep

The lore on how far they traveled is really interesting, but generally it’s around 2-5k years. There are conflicting accounts and I do not know all of the information off of the top of head, but you can research it yourself

Sa-mus? It’s SAY-MOS!!!

I think the music is the one from the 2nd boss

Mar was ready and had everything he needed to build a city. "You're ctazy!" they said. "What makes you think you can build on the water?" "Trust me" he replied.

I'm curious how did Haven City fall in Jak 3. I thought the walls would protect them from medal heads?

Is Geyser Rock the Pumping Station

If you're watching this today, listen to Quelly Woo - Sanctuary .. the intro to this video is a sample to that song .. so cool

The wiki for the game suggests "Over 500 years" based on the discovery of the hut, but I'm not sure where they got that info from.

If you buy this on psn can you play it offline? Same with darksiders 1 and 2.?.? Or will i need constant connection. Thank you in advance for your answers.

Sandoval village is dead city. The building you destroy in one of the first missions is the old mayor's house and probably remained as a type of city hall building for the town since it was the tallest building. The strip mine is misty island. The dig is volcanic crater and the drill platform is where snowy mountain or where the citadel used to be due to the eco mining. The port is old sentinel Beach and the palace is the forbidden forest since the catacombscare underneath it. Haven forest is precursor basin and rock village due to the precursor stuff and all the rocks. The wasteland is more west of sentinel Beach used to be and that's where to metal head nest is and you can even see where it would be in the 1st jak and daxter off to the west. All the mountains around haven city is due to the ground rising up over time

seems accurate enough. where would you suppose spargus and the wasteland is then?

You ever look at the entire layout to haven city? There's a lot of places we didn't even get to. It's just viewable from the palace

Granted Baron Praxis lied about saving haven by destroying the old Dead Town against the Metal Head Invasion, then could the Warrior be Praxis? Gotten over his failures and vowing to never be powerless again, he fights the metal heads with Damos at some point

I was watching the video and around 5:00 noticed the famous Ratchet & Clank Easter Egg... and that made me think. Although it's highly improbable and all, maybe Jak and the gang traveled somewhere around the time that Ratchet & Clank's timeline take place?

Huh... the dig site is where the Precursor Basin was... How interesting.