@@25throcker73 I'm not sure you know, but Holtons aren't that expensive. The 179, their most popular horn, brand new is like $4,500. There are plenty of horns that are that can be that expensive though, such as Alexander's, Rico Kuhn's, Schmidt's, Cantesanu's, Paxman's, Lewis and Duerks, Patterson's, and many other high end horns, which can easily sit between $8,000-12,000