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Amen. Tony is a great fighter. His shoulder roll wasn’t as good. This is evidenced by his speaking. Love him…but Floyd did it right and finished w his faculties.
@@JRally6 Floyd used his legs and feet more than shoulder roll. You forgot to point that out, because for the last 8 years of his career that's all he did for the most part.
Mayweather didn’t fight during training camps He would train…James Toney didn’t train much in training camps he fought Then went to war in The ring…That was his way that worked but shows.
It breaks my heart to have to watch Toney go thru this long after his career. He's a legend and definitely someone I admired when I first started boxing.
I love James Toney!!! One of the best boxers to ever lace em up!!! Just breaks my heart hearing some fighters barely be able to string sentences together. Much respect to the legend!🥊✨️
You should watch him in other interviews though, I think he drunk a little bit before this one. Alot of these old dawgs are enjoying themselves after retiring, they're not really press prepped like your Joshua or fury.
@@fahqgoogle5941 Re-read he said "one of the best" not ever, and it's out of respect as a metaphor. James Toney won at least one major title in 3 seperate weight divisions. There is nothing easy about winning either an IBF, WBO, WBA or WBC in any weight division let alone 3 seperate ones. He was an elite boxer with arguably one of the best defensive skills ever in the game.
James is a throwback fighter from the 1930/40s. Old school mentality fighting anyone anytime anywhere. Always keeps it real. Met James and he's a gentleman. Legend.
Lights Out woulda been perfect fighting in the "Murderers' Row" tournament. He'd go 50+ rounds easily he's that relaxed. Fight every week also and fight the same opponents multiple times. James was born in the wrong era. He was surrounded by too many modern temptations compared to the old days. You can see in his eyes and hear in his voice he'd still have no problem whoopin' someone ass.
Except James had no discipline. No fighter from the 30’s or 40’s would have eaten themselves out of their best weight and division. James was extremely talented but stubborn. With more discipline he would have been an all time great. And he lost to Dave Tibere
Floyd can be annoying, but he was certainly correct. Taking punishment is not cool, and James has clearly endured a great deal of it, but despite this, I have the utmost respect for the man they call "Lights Out."
most of toneys damage rn is because he would spar everyday and he had so many fights, but at the end of the day he knew the consequences and i’m sure if he had another chance he would do it exactly the same way because he’s one of those cats that we’re just put on earth to fight.
James Toney sparred alot thats one of the reasons he talks like this. He didnt like to do roadwork and just got in the ring to train for fights. He also didnt use his legs like Floyd. He stood in the pocket. I think his shoulder roll was alittle better because he relied on it far more than Floyd did. Floyd used his feet too.
Nah bro, Toney relied on it more but James got hit more too even Dropped.... Floyd was better at it. The Point Toney is trying to make is he was better at cause he knocked more people out with it.
@@UltimateTViptv That’s not a valid point, at the end of the day who got the win? At the end of the day who walked away with their mental faculties and speech? It was floyd, floyd simply defended himself better and used the shoulder roll better because he took the less punishment you can’t apply defense to offense and make that your arguement were talking about strictly defense here in the shoulder roll I mean of course you can use it to set up traps and counters but floyd used that shoulder roll like a G. All respect to toney but looking at him right now I can’t say he did anything better than floyd than KO people floyd was far more accurate and took less punishment
That's why the philly shell is, it's a flat footed in the pocket style, Floyd doesn't use the philly shell people think because it's a bladed stance behind the shoulder that it's the same, the mayweather defense is different even the position of the shoulder is different, only Floyd Sr and Floyd did this style, and Floyd mastered it, it was taught to Sr by Dale Williams in Detroit it's not the philly shell
@@nocap7044 Its not the Philly shell... Its the shoulder roll the Shoulder roll came from the midwest. Not Philly to began with, and the Philly shell is when you fold your arms up like I dream of genie... Joe Fraizer did the philly shell. Yall keep calling it that dont speak on it if you dont know the correct name.
My favorite fighter of all-time. It was always hard to understand what he was saying but even moreso now. Too bad what the sport does to many fighters. He's a good example of why Floyd's "hit and don't get hit" philosophy rings true in the end.
Floyd didnt use his as much. Floyd used his footwork to get away. Toney stood in the pocket and fought on the inside. The only fight Toney fought with his feet was thr Iran Barkley fight.
I think there’s a misconception when it comes to counterpunching vs defense. James was an excellent counter puncher and had great defense on the inside, but he still took shots not to mention all the sparring. Floyd was also a great counter puncher with great defense he didn’t stay on the inside longer than he needed to. Both are great but James’s has more cons in the long term as we can see.
@@BB-gu9kx I wouldn’t call James a brawler but he was definitely willing to brawl/go toe to toe albiet defensively. How do you stack their resumes. I think James has the more impressive names I give him the slight edge.
@@danieltaylor3398 James Toney underrated. Top 10 of all time. Could do it all. Very naked to say he wasn't a brawler. U need to go back and watch some more film 🎥 and im sure you'll retort those statements...
His speech is slurred but he's all there. Toney doesn't want anyone feeling sorry for him because I doubt he sees anything to be sorry about. Looks like he's living his best life. Much respect, Champ.
Actually I'm still very much impressed with TBE and the most important piece of advice his father gave to him ... The less you get hit ( in the head) in This GAME ! From the womb into the hands of the doctor's and nurses and midwives , the objective is and will always remain Protect the Skull !!! Just watch the movie trailer for " Concussion" . Floyd Jr. 21years and no signs of brain damage That's remarkable ...
Getting hit It's all part of the game they get paid good to endure blows, thats why Mayweather's "annoying" -he focus all on evading and Unnecessary dodge. It's not a race. It's like hating on Olympic sprinters that develop a hamstring injury running. Not happening. But if the runner is slow because hes too scared to get injured...well that's what pussy floyd is doing.
Agree, being salty or pity has nothing to do w it! Are you guys stupid? My man’s is acting the truth, toney fucked up, it’s sad to a degree, it’s part of the fight game. Don’t need to act like it don’t exist. What do you think happens when you fight like that for a long time? It’s all good? Gunna attack a fan of the man bc he’s telling it like it is? Toney ain’t the only one. It’s common actually if you are familiar with the *sport*
James is one of my top 3 favorite fighters of all time and probably the most underrated fighter in the history of the sport. He was born to fight! Tbh tho seeing him speak like this makes me heart broken, he preferred sparing to running and clearly gave his life to the sport in 90 pro fights. Hope he’s got family to care for him just like he cared and provided for his family for SO many years. #LEGEND
@@ericwilliams2168 hey brother I respect your opinion , we all grow up on different era’s but James is #1 the most underrated defensive fighter of all time. Deff one of the most underrated fighters ever…. and beyond my top 2…. JT is at a hard 3. Appreciate your opinion!
@@MikeyStreet314 I respect that I have James in my top 10 for sure he's definitely underrated defensively and I don't think people mention his name enough when talking about the great so I do agree with you on that
@@ericwilliams2168 He’s definitely not mentioned enough. It’s so sad too listening to him talk in the 2020’s! Way too many gym wars …. I’ve heard in the past he liked to spar over road work to get in shape and it shows in his speech. Plus the failed PED test after winning the WBA heavyweight championship over Ruiz blemished him very late into his career….. but James has always been controversial, it’s just who he is ! Haha. But deff agree that when people talk about the greats and talk about their own top 10’s you don’t hear James Toney enough. The fight against Nunn, Barkley. Mcallum and Prince Charles are all literally classic’s!
Tony fought at heavier weights than Floyd. So even though he was a great defender, the ones he did take are heavier punches. Clearly. I don’t think people are including that fact. I still think Floyd is the better defensive fighter, not based off the slur alone. Floyd had better feet.
Facts. Floyd had catlike reflexes, still has at his age. Also, he could see shots coming off before they reach him which is a known fact. Tony was sick back in the day, could tighten up a little back then (defence) but Floyd took that defense beyond another level. Shoulder roll aka The Mayweather defence.
Its crazy because its like it just destroyed the part of the brain for speech. He seems witty and his body language serms normal but the part that sends signals to his mouth got destroyed.
Well in a few year Toney will not be able to talk at all. He's almost there. I think he took most of his punishment early in his career before mastering the roll. He said they use to put him in the ring sparring anybody no matter how much better they were. He learned the hard way. Definitely one of the best but even the Hitman Hearns is having trouble speaking these days. Floyd, Leonard etc can still speak clearly and they were the best at hitting and not getting hit so to all the young fighters out there take heed. Boxing is a tough profession. So if you go down that path it is best to follow Floyd's lead and focus on superior defensive skills and avoid taking too much punishment. That brain can only bang into that skull wall so many times before unrecoverable damage is done.
Main difference between Tony's Shoulder roll for that of Floyd is that Tony can knock you out while Shoulder rolling. He was the most deadly when he is in the Shoulder roll defense position. Floyd use it more for defense and getting close up to land a punch or two. Tony used it to put your lights out.
Met Toney back in 2011 he is one of the best to ever do it. Fought the best from 160 to heavyweight. People keep comparing his cognitive functions with Floyd but every fighter is different. Some guys like Foreman and others show no signs of CTE but others show a lot. Some guys are severely punchy from just a amateur career. Every proffesional boxer has some degree of brain damage even Mayweather. This is the collateral damage paid by boxers who strive to be great in the sport.
That's the difference between Floyd and everyone else. Floyd gives Tony props and Tony is hating🤣. Floyd clearly has the better shoulder role. With all due respect, whenever Tony speaks he is the best proof Floyd has the better shoulder roll.
*Health over entertainment.* Now I have much more respect for fighters who master the art of *"hit and not be hit"* . Floyd and Devin Haney is right, taking punishment is not smart. Still got love for James "Lights Out" Toney.
Why would you not? That man sacrificed his body for years of our entertainment. We can’t in retrospect with 20/20 criticize him for doing it his way. Its the sacrifice he made for being great.
James toney is one of the best defensive fighters of all time. Try watching some of his fights instead of assuming he was a punching bag because of the way he talks
@@wutang5503 I grew up on James Toney and Roy Jones. I make NO assumptions. I actually remember how he talked before, and there is a clear difference. Anyone with half a brain can see that he has neurological damage. Toney was known for standing right in front of his opponent, planting his feet, and slipping punch while landing bombs. I know that. His defensive skills allowed him to evade tons of punches... however the fact that he was right in front of his opponent meant that more punches were thrown at him. *If a boxer uses his defensive skills to dodge 1 million punches... but 2 million punch was thrown by his opponent, net effect of the defense of neglieble.*
You think james toney was a better boxer than floyd? He wasn’t more accurate he didn’t have a better defense do you not hear the man talk? That’s from years of punishment now go look at floyd’s face and how he talks and how he moves around these days like he’s still boxing. You can’t seriously believe what your saying floyd’s avoided more contact than any fighter in the history he had championship fighters hitting an average of 19-25% that was the AVERAGE you can’t say those fighters are anything remotely close. Now james toney has the Ko power but please don’t be the casual to sit here and say KO is the most important thing in boxing. KO doesn’t define boxing it just comes with the territory. Boxing has always been an intellectual chess game and for obvious reason toney wasn’t smarter than floyd and this statistic can be defended 4x over cause floyd was way much smarter than anyone he ever fought.
The difference between both shoulder rolls was James was way more offensive with it hence the compromised vocal skills! Compared to Floyds who still speaks coherently was more defensive
@@MB2.0 are you slow 😂 Floyd fought in the amateurs and fought pro for a very long time and Floyd sparred a lot too and is completely healthy defense was just better
@Umi K your under every comment stating this like its fact, it’s not ok buddy, Toney’s speech has CLEARLY taken a turn for the worse over the years, Tony isn’t 90 years old, speaking clearly does NOT regress with age, doesn’t take away from his greatness, just wasn’t as defensively sound as Floyd period.
@Umi K "Burger King Burger King!" Was listening to that interview recently and he absolutely DID NOT sound like this get out of here. Guy can barely speak. In fact I didn't hear a thing he just said. I never had trouble understanding Toney when he was active. I even remember the interview after he beat Holyfield. "I don't wanna hear nothing about he was old or washed up, I beat Evander Hollyfield baby! Yeah that's right, James Toney beat the great Evander Holyfield" I could always understand him perfectly. I didn't understand jack just now. Quite frankly I am shocked.
Like everyone said James a beautiful man but this is why Floyd emphasized boxing is to hit and not get hit .People want to see two men slugging it out and even get knocked out just to say it was a good fight ,but none of those people are there when those fighters are dealing with the aftermath of that punishment . Again Floyd was right
These fighters from this era fought war after war it’s crazy to see them like this but I know their family must be proud of the legacy he has, and he’s not all the way gone by the way
James Toney was the slickest boxer in his time! This guy was so underrated even though he accomplished a lot in boxing. It seems that he was always looked at as dirty, not a dirty fighter, but not clean. It's too bad because he was a legit beast!
if I had it my way I wish Tony retired about 7 years before his last fight he would not have so much brain damage but he just kept fighting over and over again
I know right, even b-hop be sounding punchy lately. I’m not sad for him though. I look at punchy boxers the same way I look at MMA fighters with cauliflower ear. You knew it could happen, and you still chose to do it. That’s balls.
Most Won't understand That Toney was a beast in the lighter days of his boxing career! His shell defense was better than Floyd's when Toney was younger and lighter! As Toney aged and he also kept moving up in weight and he took more punishment than floyd! The shell defense was great when he was younger and lighter but when he went up in weight Toney didnt have agility as he did when he was younger and in a lighter weight class! This it self hurt him big because he was taking heavier punches and started taking more damage because he just couldn't move like he use to! So this is why most will scream Floyd shell defense was better! lol Honestly, Both shell defesne was remarkable and Toney's shell was more offense and counter!! While Floyd's, at his beginning of his career was offensive and countering but ended up turning into more defense in his middle and prime of his career ! His offensive was more dictated on what was coming at him, however a younger floyd shell was just as amazing as Toney's because he was very offesnsive and exsplosive with it! Respect to both! Great video and have a great day!
I love JT, but let's face facts. He took more punishment in his first title fight than Mayweather took in any five-year stretch of his career! JT didn't just start getting hit at the higher weights!
It's too different forms of defensive. And no it wasn't superior, as nobody as been able to penetrate flyods defence. Tony's is more pleasing to watch and masterful. But let's not discredit flyod who was a master of a different form of the shoulder defence which is more of a stance used to load up his right while practically being untouchable.
@@VIProfessor Yeah so true!! That first title fight took a lot from him! JT had that drunk master shell style defense! JT also missed wieght for that title fight as well, he was a fat boy and always had trouble making weight in his prime and out of his prime! He said it once in a post interview saying he just loves to eat!! lol While flody could drink soda and eat McDonald's and still couldnt gain weihght lol Another great factor. as well. JT was a party animal and didnt stay inshape between fights unlike Floyd Both great era in boxing history!
@@htmm5167 Credit to both and the era they displayed their greatness in! Another aspect that most never understood was Floyd's discipline in and out of the ring between fights and after! Not only he took less punishment in the ring, Floyd also took less punishment outside the ring!! By staying in shape between fights and not polluting his body when celebrating! This was a huge variable that played in Floyd's career! While other was smoking and sniffing and drinking Flody was in the gym at 2am, 3am or doing road work! just honored to have witness both great boxers!! Just like we got to see Jordan in the NBA! We got to witness greatness before photoshop, vid edits and email champions! lol
@@musicmediaproductions No doubt that conditioning (or lack thereof) was a HUGE factor! There were too many times when JT just didn't have the legs to go with his upper body movement, and too many times when he allowed inferior opponents to have opportunities that they shouldn't have had. Often, his lack of stamina would only allow him to fight in spurts, and he would have to rest on the ropes.
Lights out my favorite boxer of all time talked the talked and walked em down just too many weight classes and big shots by heavy hitters but hey he whipped holyfields a$$ 🤷🏼♂️🤣
@@Jesusisyhvh1 by your logic, the 1896 Ford automobile is a better car than the 2022 Ford Mustang. Even though the 2022 version has had years of study and better resources to be built better to work more efficiently at higher speeds and different terrains. George Benton fought in an era where everyone was mostly a flat footed slugger, with simple ring IQ. Even low IQ. Comparing his shoulder roll to James Tony or Mayweather’s is just idiotic. They literally been tested against a wider variety of opposition. Faster, stronger, and smarter than the fighters of Benton’s day. All I could do was laugh at you.
James Toney is what he talking bout.(PERIOD)💯💯💯 EVERY BODY CAN LOOK@ ALL MR. JAMES TONY FIGHTS, WHETHER HE WON OR DIDN'T 💯💯💯 JAMES TONY DID IT BETTER THEN ANYONE, AS FAR AS WHATEVER WEIGHT CLASS WITH WHOEVER/ AND HE IS DEFINITELY UNDERRATED 😇😇😇👍👍👍💯💯💯
Just taking a look at both their careers, it’s obvious Mayweather had the better shoulder roll and overall defense. Tony got hit way too much compared to Floyd. When Floyd stood in the pocket or against the ropes, you couldn’t really hit him. Tony would still get hit.
I like James Tony one of my favorite fighters. I love it when you talk trash. It is sad that I had to hit the closed caption so I can understand what he was saying.
James “Lights Out” Toney is my all time favorite boxer. I can’t lie it is definitely sad to see him this way. Congrats to the legend one of the best to ever do it
Ali and James Toney are the same breed,give Lights out his flowers while he is still alive...deep inside it breaks my heart to see someone I admire so much ending up like that
Boxing's only fighter-first-fan-second style is the stick and move boxer style, any other is just too uncivilized. That's why boxing is still very much for the mass of people who are still straight up savage.
Floyds dad didn't even know who Roy Jones was... to hit and not get hit was the best lesson he gave.. EVERY fight takes something out of these guys... #respect
James Toney does not have brain damage. He has always had trouble talking and always mumbled words. He's actually a pretty articulate guy and super funny. God bless "lights out"!
To everybody who gave Floyd and is giving young guys like Haney and Shakur a bunch of 💩 for having a “boring” style, THIS is why they do it. The art of hitting without being hit isn’t because they’re scared to fight, it’s because they’re SMART and realize there’s life after boxing. Love and respect to Lights Out for all he’s given to the sport, especially representing my home state, but I really hate what the sport did to him. As fans, all we want are these guys to go bang it out for our entertainment. But when that’s over and we’ve had our fill, they’re left to deal with life while we’ve moved on and begging a new fighter to “be more exciting.”
toney is a legend, those hits took a toll on him he can barely talk. if you close your eyes and listen to him he sounds like mike tyson or floyd's father similar slurred tone
James Toney is my all time greatest! He was the one and only king of the Philly Shell. And my absolute no 1 in Boxing. He still is. No one can match him!
Mayweather used the shoulder roll better than anyone because he never got hit or lost. James tony got tag up by Roy jones even though he was official with it, Mayweather took it to another level of defense. so, no tony, Mayweathers's roll was far more effective.
