Jamie and Claire's First Fight for Marital Rights | Outlander (Sam Heughan, Caitriona Balfe) 

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I come from an English family...my grandparents used to fight the same way...they were the healthiest relationship I grew up with

Claire's actions put herself and the others in danger. She should show humility for what she did. She is in a world she doesn't understand yet continuously throws her weight around like she is in charge. All Jamie was trying to do was protect her because he knows the dangers.

Claire's actions put herself and the others in danger. She should show humility for what she did. She is in a world she doesn't understand yet continuously throws her weight around like she is in charge. All Jamie was trying to do was protect her because he knows the dangers.

Claire's actions put herself and the others in danger. She should show humility for what she did. She is in a world she doesn't understand yet continuously throws her weight around like she is in charge. All Jamie was trying to do was protect her because he knows the dangers.

Claire behaves like an infantile child the whole way through this scene, saying anything and everything to not take responsibility for her own actions. She lashing out and trying to hurt the man who saved her just to protect her own foolish pride. She has zero gratitude. It's a childish temper tantrum, and a proper man of the period probably would have just decided since she was going to act like a child to spank her.

What the fuck are you talking about? Men are still this way. Victim blaming is like the one thing men can agree on when it comes to women. And don’t start crying about, “not all men”…..it’s enough of them that you probably know several women that have gone through it. For evidence look at the responses you got from men. They think he was right.

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So you are weak and think it's a problem?

Age has nothing to do with it.

The character or the actor??

@@malxnt the character

​@monicastricker3582 it kind of does, in this instance. Surrounded by a patriarchal and reproaching environment, it's impressive that he got into his skull that trying and remaining that way to his wife would never bring him what he found attractive about her in the first place. True, she also does go down routes that should make her pay more, but fair to lenient consequences always come to them.

@@monicastricker3582 it absolutely does. 23 is very young and this is his FIRST relationship after growing up not really seeing many healthy relationships. He panicked and reacted harshly but also self regulated which was impressive.

The only tiny bit of criticism I have for this otherwise superbly acted scene is the voiceover at the end. For me it falls flat when Jamie explicitly declares to viewers that he is in love with Claire. It's cringy. And utterly unnecessary. Did the producers have an urge to reassure the audience after the fight: "But that's okay, he still loves her"? If so, they poorly misjudged their audience, and broke one of the most important rules in cinema: "Show it, don't say it."

There was a reason for it. This was the first episode of the second part of season 1, which the producers and writers wanted narration from Jamie’s perspective. The episode began this way. And also picked up from his perspective in rescuing Claire from BJR (entering through the window etc). It makes better sense with the beginning narration.

And I think I also learnt that it was the audition scene both actors did

I think she does eventually tell him...but he says "It would be easier if [she was] a witch"

Yeah, not all marriages go through man calling his wife a b* and reprimanding her for being captured...

I agree. She really do work a nerve in the books!

Whoosh….straight over your head. Claire ‘was’ a woman of her time, it wouldn’t have made any sense if she completely changed her personality & become some submissive housewife, & beyond boring as well, and there wouldn’t have been a story either. And Jaime loved Claire because she was different to the women from his time, that’s the whole point.

@@bellabana and she still work a nerve ! Now what !

The first was published 33 years ago. Don't make us older faster than we are already getting older. lol

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Same 😂

I meant the the times!

​@@terrynicoll5443are you seriously saying that it's not better for women in 2024 than it was in the 1700s??? Are you serious??

Probably so, but if you think this reflects on him poorly...

It was horrible time for anyone that seemed weak. Men or women. So such precaution were necessary. Loot at the scene, she went for a walk and look what happened.

​​@@Buzz0216 In many, many places in the world, and in some cultures living among us, it's still a terrible time to be a woman.

She isn’t right. She should’ve stayed put. She should know she’s in the 1700s. Claire pissed me off, she should subdue to him. These are the times for back then and she needs to get aligned with it.

Nope. She was wrong.

​@@viciousLUAOh please forgive her for wanting to go back in her time

Actually it wasn't outside of her control at all I swear to god women have no sense of accountability, responsibilities or obligations. Actions have consequences do u think it was fair for Jamie to have been whipped on his back to near death for the crime of saving his sister from being gang raped by red coat soldiers do u think it's fair that these poor men were born during a bad time while she was born into a time when everyone got to enjoy the luxuries of civilized society do u think it's fair that the average lifespan for men in jamies time is no more then 30 years while women were never forced to fight back against the malevolent side of nature or the aggressive side of humanity because men volunteered themselves to be the disposable gender so that women didn't have to?

@@viciousLUA I think you meant "submit" but it's ok we can still understand your character

She was trying to get home from a completely crazy and dangerous situation. It is not HER fault the people around her were savages. They are responsible for their own behavior, and that savagery is what caused the situation, not Clair. Stop victim blaming. It's ugly.

@@ohana8535 So she should have respected his understanding and experience in a world she is unfamiliar with. Even now women cannot just go wandering around in some places without and escort.

Ain't that the truth

@@useyournoodle100 So when you're thrown into one of those places by circumstance, with no belongings and no information, you would be expected to stay there and hide forever? Or would you try to get home?

​@@useyournoodle100She was trying to get back to Frank. She saw an opportunity to get away and she took it. 🤷‍♂️

Find your soul mate. Life is too beautiful not to share it with someone special. Good luck ❤

Eu acho os dois impecáveis na entrega de atuação

I think close ups of her facial expressions are consistently better than his throughout the series, but his are still good

​@@horsegirlb7120I agree they both have great acting. But hers seems so deeply expressed and real, so true to life.

Her acing range is phenomenal. He's just ok.

You damn right because if a man even dreamt of speaking to me like that he better wake up running.

He called her a foul mouthed b****, she called him a f****** Bast@rd.... I think they're even 😂 If you read the books the story is fantastic and so is their dynamic.

@scullywully1604 they were both in the wrong she shouldn’t have called him names and he shouldn’t have either. But there both from different times

Do you know the backstory?

There's no context that makes this exchange okay.

It reality for a lot of people

That's been the argument against women's rights since the beginning of time. Cover your face, dear, it's for your own protection.

​@@jancie202 She was literally almost killed.

​@@senluke it wasn't 'just a walk', she saw the stone circle and loves her husband (from her time) and attempted to return to him like a loyal partner would be expected to do. But also, if it's too dangerous in the woods, he should have brought her with him. He didn't have a good reason for leaving her there in the first place. And if that's not enough, you don't speak to someone you view as an equal like a misbehaving child. Fortunately, he learned better.

@@runningfromabear8354 And he had no idea about the stones at that point. From his point of view, with knowledge he had, he was 100% justified to be a mad. She told her to stay hidden, becuase the red coats could get her. She didint listen and red coats got her. Its not about control, its about not doing stupid things, and putting others in danger. Of course she was justified to do it, she tried ro get back to her own time, but he had no idea about that. With his knowledge he was right.

@@senluke no shit, but your wording implies 1. She was 100% wrong. 2. That his anger was justified, when he was the one to insist she stayed in the woods with the young guy after previous incidents exposed that the highlands weren't safe even alone with just him. Her "guard" walked off to take a crap. She was already alone whether she walked up to the stonehenge or standing right there. Jamie's anger wasn't justified.

Did they not apologize to each other? Staying proud makes reconciliation very hard. This modern day victimhood/victim-shaming nonsense is why our society is becoming so screwed up. Everyone is owed… except possibly the man. Their bad behavior needs to be excused because of their identity. That is peak narcissism.

@@_Colie Understand her feelings? This isn't about her feelings. They are in very dangerous times where the enemy is constantly milling around. She knows this. Second, the men around him just had to risk their lives to rescue her. They aren't trying to die for her. From their viewpoint, if he can't control his wife, they will not stay loyal to him. I don't like how she was expected to obey him, but that's the world she's in. She needs to fall in line whether she likes it or not. It would be like me waking up in a country where the women are expected to wear burkas and me insisting on wearing a bikini when I know damn well that that will reflect poorly on me and whoever I'm staying with. I love Claire, but she was forever putting Jaime in a position where he was having to defend her and explain her to people. It got on my nerves.

Thank you. They are both the victims but at least he acknowledges what happened to her. She is just acting like she knows everything and showing no regard for the danger she put them all in. Imagine being in Ukraine right now and just "going for a walk". You'd be out your mind.

Yes, It is just you. Glad you asked. She was thinking only of herself

Exactly!

Yeah she was awful to him at times. She needs to stop acting like she’s in charge all the time.

If he had listened to her in the first place, none of this would have happened. He should have taken her with him.

​@@viciousLUAHe should have listened to her.

No, she got in trouble because she was trying to get back to her timeline. It’s not like she could discuss that with anyone or get his input on the matter… of course she’d have to escape on her own and disobey him to do so

He was 100% wrong.

@@ohana8535 If she had obeyed her husband she would not have been put into danger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@@theapostaterunawayslave First, if she was the obeying time, the show would be a snooze. She's the heroine of this story and when she found an opportunity to return to her time, she took it. After she told him that she was from the future and was desperately trying to go back to Frank, he understood and was sorry for beating her. Glad she's not the obedient kind. Love her feistiness,

@@jakek4876 women need to obey

@@theapostaterunawayslave They're in a war. She's not responsible for the crimes of other soldiers. She's allowed to choose her own risks and make any attempt to go home that she can. She's not their mother or their babysitter or even a member of the community. Every single member of that group knows the marriage is a fraud at that point.

Totally missed the point.

She doesnt think she is u touchable. She represents thatWomen Do t want to be treatwt like weak objects

Wow. Her "feminist shtick"... Hope there are no women in your life because you sound like a bad person to be around.

You realize she becomes a surgeon later on and heals rapists and murderers right?

Would you also describe a man who thinks independently and does what he wants without consulting others as stubborn? Or would you call him decisive and assertive? I sense a double standard from you regarding the same behaviours from men and women...

It wasn't her fault that he got raped. He went off with the Watch and was captured. Randal wanted Jamie from the moment he saw him. He tried to have his way with him the first time Randal took him. Claire was at Lallybrock waiting for him to come back.

@@leoniep9231 Yes, I would if the book was written in the sense that Jaime was in a matriarchal society and was expected to obey Claire. For me, this isn't about feminism. This is about Claire being stupidly stubborn. Should she have to obey him? No. Were their expectations about men and women fucked up? Of course. However, she knows what this society is like and what's expected of her. This doesn't just affect her; it affects Jaime and his relationship with his men as well. They had to risk their lives to rescue her all because she was trying to get back to the stone. She should have stayed put. Of all people, she knows that the English are everywhere. If she had to marry Jaime for protection, talking a walk alone as a woman was peak stupidity.

Men at least have the sense to know what environment they are in and adapt. Claire was just annoying after years of refusing to recognize she is in 18th century Scotland and has put Jamie and too many in danger with her attitude and outbursts of feminism which is rooted in lack of accountability and selfishness.

​@@misspriss2482no you wouldn't

No she cheated on Frank with Jamie for sure.

@@thruthemotions No, she didn't cheat on Frank with Jamie because Frank was not born during her time with Jamie.

@@jakek4876 she went back to the present day and told frank to his face that she had an affair with James. Frank later read that she went back to james before he died in the car crash. She didn't even try hard enough to get back to Frank which is understandable; her and James have been through more hell so of course they're bond grew stronger.

@@thruthemotions In the context of real/present time, it would be but not 200 years before Frank was born and she had no idea that she would have ever been able to go back to her time. Moreover, she was pregnant and was 100% truthful about what happened to her. So no, it wasn't cheating.

@@jakek4876 in real life cheating isn't on purpose all the time. Shit happens

He should have listened to her. She told him to take her with him.