Jamie Rescues Tyrion || Truth about Tysha || Audiobook 

I love this line! It shows that Tyrion says that they earned spots on his list of vengeance

You would think he would understand after the tales of the reynes and tarbecks. He constantly thinks his dad won’t be cruel.

@@Ironcorgi2 because tywin was never cruel to jaime. jaime was the golden boy, spoiled by tywin and given everything he wanted.

And the best part is The Lannisters did it to themselves

@@Argos-xb8ek yeah I like that being the biggest irony with the Lannisters with how Tywin in particular always stressed how important family was yet his family didn't love each other and if they did it was a warped love or none at all.

@@Spongebrain97nah man Tyrion genuinely loved Jaime and his Uncle Gerion and a bunch of others too. He hated pretty much only his father and sister. Tywin was a MASSIVE hypocrite though.

And it makes him bedding Shae even more hypocritical (plus the tunnel to the brothel which is hilariously scummy), it shows how deeply Tywin is filled with self-hate and he needs to be put down.

​​@@islandboy9381no it doesn't Tywin was simply bedding a whore in secrecy, he wasn't being manipulated by it or loving it so it didn't ruin house Lannister in any way while Tyrion a second son tried marrying a common girl and threatened to have his nephew raped for Shae. The main problem with Tywin is he's lack of emotional support and awareness for his children, I mean he could of just told Tyrion ways to secretly bed whores but his obsession with perception wouldn't allow him to open up not even to his family. And honestly his hatred for Tyrion is kinda justified if you look at thier history.

But it also makes what would possibly be the fate of King’s Landing very ironic. As it was Tywin’s hubris and ego that lead him to do what he did to his own son and first love. He let his own son to believe that he will never be worthy of anything, not even love. He in turn created a monster, someone who would end up destroying the very home he had. In the end, all of Tywin’s plans to help King’s Landing and its people would be for nothing, as he sealed the kingdom’s fate so long ago.

@@globoy8702 Stay strong brother!

Yep. They ruined it in the show and it all went downhill from there n

The show is a pale imitation.

@@ChadKakashi The warning signs were there looong before it all went to shit. It's just that the source material was so good, even those two nuklefucks couldn't ruin it. Once they were on their own, it crushed and burned instantly.

​@@Orangestardusta fanfiction, if you will

​@kingofdragons7 What I hate is they had so many moments between Tyrion and Jaime where this bombshell could've been and should've been used.

Yes he has a very wide range of voices

I've seen a lot of posts on reddit of people criticising his work but I just don't get it, I was so taken with his voices

@@kameron7178 The only problem I had had with him was the inconsistency between and sometimes within the books.

I don’t like the voices he uses for the characters that much. But his narration is on point. It’s like I’m listening to the sagas of old.

@@ChadKakashi Guess that's a matter of taste. I especially enjoyed his Jamie and Tyrion.

Jamie’s newfound honor isn’t what he expected. Telling the truth doesn’t make everything magically right.

​@@ChadKakashiJamie didn't do anything wrong, only Tywin

​@@kingofdragons7Tywin didn't do anything wrong, he just was excesssively cruel in doing everything right

@@Tk-mj1cl the red wedding? His treatment of his children? The man is a brilliant tactitian, but he's a terrible person

​@@kingofdragons7The Red Wedding is a good example of a right choice which is cruel. The way to end what could have been a longer and and bloodier war by killing a couple hundred lords, instead of continuing this continental butchery. Speaking of children, all of Tywin's coercions and abuses were centered around teaching them to be dutiful to their family instead of pursuing their impulsive or self-centered decisions (like marrying peasant girls in case of Tyrion or protesting marital alliances in case of Cersei). And he was so good in instilling this values that Tyrion refuses to tell the truth of Elia's murder to Oberyn even when he is about to be executed by Tywin. In feudalism highborns shouldn't forsake their duties to pursue their desires, because the entire system is about being dutiful. What I am trying to say, is that all of Tywin's decisions are either for the good of the realm (as evidenced by his highly praised service as king's hand from Aerys up to his death) or to secure future for his family. Both motivations are good and righteous, yet he is cruel in its implementation. In my personal opinion, out of all characters Tysha is the only person whom Tywin had no cause to mistreat as brutally as he did. So it's ironic that Tysha actually becomes an indirect cause of his death.

its' literally the point where the show drops in quality

And then, to add insult to injury, he kills Shae in self-defence

It might have been different from the books but the first 4 seasons are one of the best shows on tv

@@marlondasilva8438 true I could watch seasons 1-4 any time of the week

To be fair, Tysha was only talked about once in both the book and the show. The only reason we learn of Tysha's importance was through Tyrion's inner monologues, which the show can't do.

At the end, only the Kingslayer and/or the Imp will be what's left of the Great Lions of The Rock!

Yeah, some bricks killing Cersei wasn’t enough. I still don’t understand why didn’t Cersei give up the Throne. What made her get the Idea she can have it or even hold it? When Daenery’s showed up with Three Dragons, Dothraki Screamers, and Unsullied. Why didn’t she just surrender the throne and say “hey Im going to Casterly Rock, me and my brother will Rule as Lords Paramount of the West.” Daenerys would have let them. They would be alive and be in their family home. Really weird choice Cersei made. She hates the people. She hates Nobles. She hates everyone.

@@alexandrostheodorou8387 I do believe Cersei was going to burn the entirety of King's Landing with wildfire, not just the Faith church, multiple noticed green flames in her eyes and her hatred built up from her being in prison would be the perfect catalyst. It makes no damn sense in the show that she'd just murder with wildfire and then still aim for the throne despite feeling betrayed and hating everyone with her heightened paranoia from that and the prophecy she heard.

As much as I hate the targtards, the lannisters (with the exception kevan, tyrion and when he is not under cercis influence Jamie) that family deserves to die.

"have sex"? weird way of spelling "get raped"

Her name was Penny. And I really like Tyrions whole journey throughout the last book.

@Argos-xb8ek that's right! Thanks for the info. Looks like I'm going to reread the series. Just dont want to until the next bizook comes out

B-But funny dwarf man not bad. Funny dwarf man good!

I see the people who have that view, but even if you look at it from a keep him a good guy standpoint. This would have further pushed Tyrion into the victim on his way to revenge type of storyline. Whether good Tyrion or bad Tyrion, leaving out the tysha portion is a sin

Especially cause it was something that would actually drive a man to murder their own dad. Tyrion is used to being falsely accused, he is not used to being loved. His wife actually did love him. And that was violently snatched away by his father, now he learns that was false and his father was just being cruel to his son

Jaime didin’t even know about that, he was the only one who treated him with kindness

Tyrion did not deserve to continue living.

Jaime knew afterwards he didn’t think his father would do that. Also it’s worse than that Tyrion didn’t just see a whole garrison rape a 14 year old girl but he was also forced upon her too. Tywin is truly a sick fuck

It also also ruins Jamie’s character as well. As Tyrion confesses to him that he knows about Cersei sleeping with other men, including Lancel. Jamie, who didn’t realize this, begins to finally wake up and see what a control freak Cersei really is, and how she manipulates people by having affairs with them.

Ya what made Tyrion interesting in adwd was he was the blackest shade of grey his character became

You’ve probably found out by now, but this is the official audiobook.

Lame ass opinion, my Friend

there definitely are reasons for tyrion to follow in the footsteps of his book counterpart, though you could say that about a lot of shit in the show lol

He already turned like his book counterpart when he had that speech at the court, then they backpedal because they were scared to actually make Tyrion follow that dark path further that would have been more interesting. It makes his intent to kill Tywin less substantial (why would he shoot Tywin for calling Shae a whore when she deadass just tried to kill his ass for seeing that's what she truly is?).

Probably the first change I had huge issues with. Totally kills his motivation to kill his father (shae is literally a whore that betrayed him) takes away a huge motivation to turn Tyrion against Jaime,, and an interesting character arc that wasn't so bland and goodietwoshoes as in the show. He is discriminated and hated on constantly but this event truly broke him. Probably one of the saddest moments in the book

Tyrion’s main character conflict is him never feeling he can be loved for himself. And the trauma of tysha reinforced that to have it be he was genuinely loved and his father took that away from him and the only person he trusted in the world was the one who lied to him broke Tyrion which made it interesting