Japan is building massive Kirov-like battlecruisers? 

And manned drones too

They're refitting the helicopter destroyers to handle F-35s and redesignating them Carriers

@@AK-forty-seven super special operation drone for a non combat role but it has options to end life but it's to save people 😂😂😂

Yamato might be reused in this case but Musashi? I doubt that, considering JMSDF is currently using the names of Japanese province for their goeikan/helicopter destroyers/light and ASW aircraft carriers.

A new Yamato? Uh oh. I’m just glad Japan is a good guy this time.

Can I ask whether them giving the ship the name Yamato is true?

Hey...I've seen this one before

If they name it Yamato, then I demand we eventually do a photo op featuring the new Yamato and the new Enterprise sailing side by side! 🇺🇸 🇯🇵

Rising Suns back, tell a friend.

@@darkshinethakid4463 Chinese friend.

They better have acual cooperation with the other branches of the the JSDF. The shogunate type rivalry between the Army and the Navy costed Japan a whole lot in WW2.

@@KillerofWestoids Hey, it's "tofu dreg" boy again!

@@emilianstefan4424 That was primarily the army's fault, not the navy's. It was the army that foolishly insisted on directing resources that should have been deployed against Japan's principal threat, the allies, towards their pet project in China instead.

Stationary targets are easy to find and defeat. Plus nobody wants part of a rocket/missile or plane on their roof not good for insurance rates

@@christaylor6654 but their neighbors are unstable. North Korea launched a missile OVER the main island. Like… over Tokyo. Beijing has repeatedly threatened Japan over possibly interfering with Taiwan. I mean that whole region is a ticking time bomb and Japan being the closet ally of the US mean they have a big target on them, as well as SK

@@christaylor6654 that be true. Land is an extemely valuable commodity in japan afterall. Yes, having air defense is important, but 99% of the time, its not really doing anything visibly relevant to the immediate community. Out to sea it is.

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Dead...💀 😂

Same aggression under different name.

@@dyong888 He’s poking fun at the Japanese calling everything a destroyer from a small 3000 ton ship to a full on helicopter/VTOL carrier

We want a 100000 ton Self-defence nuclear aircraft destroyer! We are planning to name the ship Yamato.

Jesus, we need to finish up our Iowa re-re-re- modernization program quick...

Mizuho (瑞穂, "Fresh Grain") was a seaplane cruiser of the Imperial Japanese Navy during World War II .Akitsu Maru (あきつ丸) was a Japanese landing craft depot ship and escort aircraft carrier operated by the Imperial Japanese Army (IJA). In some sources Akitsu Maru and her sister ship Nigitsu Maru (にぎつ丸) are also considered to be the first amphibious assault ships.

Im curious avout that large diameter launch tube… any keywords that i can google?

@@arsyadidris6349 Try Hypersonic, Space Vehicle, Drone Launch, and most important - "UP YOURS!!!!!!!"

@@totalnerd5674 aaaaah.. i see.. the really big and expensive “ordinance”

or floating explosive tank. two 144vls ship would be a better idea.

It will be a true no fly zone if it can connect with awacs to spot targets over the horizon

@@Soras_ ur under the assumption that those two ships with 144 VLS would be smaller. It wouldnt. Coz then ud have a normal AEGIS destroyer… which they already have 8 in service. They intend to fit a much larger radar on that boat, the ones that were supposed to be installed on shore: the LRDR. And those puppies are massive.

Japan can source its oil from the US if need be or Australia or the middle east. Neither China nor Russia has he ability to blockade Japanese oil.

lmao this killed me....

@@bighands69 imperial japan sourced its oil from US back then and we all know what happened

After shutting down their nuclear power plants post-tohoku 2011, japan has been importing an ungodly amount of gas to counter the deficit. Gas countries like Malaysia have all the intention in the world to keep exporting to them 😎😎😎

fellow Azur Lane player?

@@itzjoboy5782 no, just my knowledge about waifus is infinite and Miyuki Sawashiro voice is making my knees soften

@@itzjoboy5782 "I'll be back."

Yea, these comments are quite off

The USA has been quietly pushing Japan to re-arm for more than a decade.

agreed

Of course all countries believe in it... Same as Izumo-Class "destroyers". But why they seem look like WW2 aircraft carriers, don't they?

Arsenal ship is a concept that hasn’t been proven, someone must take the big leap forward to prove that it can work. Just like how the British did with Dreadnought

@@dannyzero692 obviously yes 🙄 but itsconly now before we know if they will build one

They like being humble

While I agree, the definition of destroyers has itself changed over the years. During the Cold War, a lot of American cruisers were called destroyer leaders; the Soviets called some of theirs large ASW ships. The Spruance and the Arleigh Burke are both cruiser sized ships. I would not be surprised if the cruiser classification actually goes extinct soon.

@@gluesniffingdude yes that was what the light Cruiser was designed to too do, lead a flotilla of three destroyers. The role of the Cruiser was to raid cargo ships and lighter fleet units.

Our normal US Destroyers are already larger than most historic Cruisers. They are nearly as big as the current US cruisers as well. Ships have been getting bigger for decades.

@@adventwolfbane I should probably explain my reasoning better but I'm not simply referencing size as in tonnage or beam length. These things will change because of technology. What I'm referencing more so is weapons and roles. Modern cruisers are theatre level support ships while destroyers have always acted as tactical level escorts. If a primary function of your destroyer is to provide theatre wide defence, attack and coordination while also having the equipment to perform these task effectively, your destroyer is no longer working that tactical role. For example: the last thing you want your in theatre missile shield to do is chase down a submarine or target a few patrol boats that other less capable ships can handle. So its going to sit back to provide offensive/defensive protection and will have the weapons and equipment to do so like that land based AEGIS radar with super long range SM6s. This "destroyer" that Japan is building is designed to do what cruisers have been doing for several decades now. Whats the point in pretending its not And yea that does mean admitting the flight 3 ABs are cruisers too if they are indeed going to the Ticos job

Also a great way to deliver humanitarian aid. And even that's strictly for domestic use for natural disasters in Japan; wouldn't even dare do it for any other country.

Missile supplies are very important.

i think it’s the way to go - most countries don’t want to invest in power projection because of how expensive it is, and modern cruise missiles can take the role of strike aircraft in many scenarios. carriers aren’t for defence, they’re for attacking or defending targets far away from their home country!

Indeed. And with a decent enough aviation facility, it can even double as an adhoc emergency response during disasters. And disasters r practically a public holiday for japan i guess. In a sense that they never fail to come atleast once a year.

Just Azure Lane enoyers

@@thenoisyninja Denver protect me from armchair admirals!

LOL Funny enough that this has nothing to do with that. You need to think like a Japanese!!!!!! ... US wanted to deploy land base missile defense system in Japan to defend USA. Japan is a puppet state and has no choice but go with it. At the same time Japan knew that the radar and missiles system would make Japan target number 1 in a war between China or Russia against USA. When they hit Japan, Japan has to respond and defend herself. And Japan wanted no part of another American racketeering war. Someone in Japan came up with this brilliant idea. Move the radar and missiles to sea far far away from Japan. If the ships are sunk, Japan has deniability and can stay out of WWIII. Clever! Japan! Well play!

Like the Yamato?

Until Japan throws out that vassalization-constitution the US made for them after WW2, Japan will continue serving the interests of America.

Propulsion for such cruisers could either be conventional or nuclear. Conventional would be cheaper to build and easier to maintain throughout the lifetime of the vessels. But it would be of modest speed and range and expensive to operate with vulnerability to fuel prices that are quite high right now. A nuclear powered vessel would be more expensive to build and decommission at end of service. It would require specialized infrastructure and personnel to maintain it. But the speed would be quite high, the range only limited by food supplies, and would be much better for polar operations. The power available would assist with breaking through thin surface ice without a dedicated icebreaker. The range would be extremely useful for operating in remote polar regions with limited support available. The power could also potentially help maximize the utilization of a very large radar. For Japan, a nuclear powered vessel would be quite controversial. For the USA it would be no big deal, mostly coming down to a comparative cost benefit analysis. The USA would probably use a reactor similar to those already in use on Ford class or Virginia class and use similar fuel. Japan would likely need to use a new reactor design but the USA, UK, or France could assist with that. USA assistance would be the most likely and most helpful from a technical perspective. Japan is also looking at possibly revitalization of their civilian nuclear power industry. Japan’s strict anti nuclear weapons policy would probably preclude using high enriched fuel, even if was not connected to any weapons program at all. But HALEU fuel enriched up to 19.75% would be feasible. The US might also share advancements in TRISO fuel that improves safety by resistance to damage from high temperatures. HALEU TRISO fuel could potentially be used in both military and civilian reactors. For civilian use, it would greatly improve efficiency and overall safety. For military use, it could allow the benefits of nuclear power without the security, policy, and treaty challenges of using high enriched fuel.

> lighter armor roughly equivalent to modern tanks 600-800mm of rolled homogenous armor equivalent? That's not light. Also, modern warships have defense against ATGMs. It's called being huge. When shaped charge hits tank it hits something. People, machinery, ammo. If (you are an idiot that somehow got hit by ATGM in a ocean going warship) ATGM would hit a warship, it would hit empty air and do mostly nothing. Same reason why nobody employed shaped charge to fight ships in WW2

I agree with you, except for the armored part, most ships would do their best to just not get hit and light weapons would only be a real threat if they were to deploy in littoral zones, however, if it's nuclear powered, then some armor would be needed to protect the reactors. Such ships would be very cool though, heard Russia is building 19000 ton nuclear powered destroyers too, and I think the US wouldn't want to get left behind.

@@someonerandom6137 >building More like dreaming paper projects it will never get. Largest surface vessel Russia made from scratch since fall of USSR is ~5k ton frigates, rough equivalent, but most likely worse to upcoming Constellation class. Thinking that Russia will jump from 5k to nuclear powered 20k is a stretch to say the least. Although tbf Russia does currently construct 30k amphibious assault ships.

As soon as Russia rebuilds the Soviet Union.

the day i get a gf ....

China missed Japan regime

@@noname-mk7hp please be gay, please be gay, please be gay

@@simonmay1671 Philippines support Japan

Yamato !

The name of the second Izumo-class destroyer is Kaga.

And the endurance as well i guess. A bigger ship can carry more fuel and more supplies. It wouldnt be a surprise if they did base this ship off their current line of “helicopter destroyers”, and it would make sense i guess. Its a proven hull design afterall.

@@arsyadidris6349 It looks to me the overall goal is to maximize the radar capabilities, and the size of the ship is designed around housing that radar. Binkov points out the proposal is for a phased array radar, twice the size of the Arleigh Burkes. Using a existing proven hull design is smart. It looks like they are filling up the rest of the space on the ship with weapons and some aircraft.

the scary thing is- kids would absolutely dunk on people if the controls matched videogames.

Japan will whoop your Russky ass 😂

Gundam Wing?

Voltron!

I’m more of an ibo guy myself

They just need a giant flying turtle controlled by some ten year old kids!

Word, those people who don't think Japan should have a military, need to be stood around by 3 big dudes with baseball bats while they are unarmed... thats japan without a military... especially if people think the US shouldn't defend it, which imo we definitely should, and are legally binded to defend japan as is

@@skylermatthew667 the US have sworn to protect Japan ever since they drafted up its Constitution. They will defend it if need be.

@@dannyzero692 Sure. But Japan is pretty far away from where most American forces are based. So if they can defend themselves for a couple weeks they are going to be much more secure than if they relied completely on the US.

@@dannyzero692 The US is a Democracy, if the people don't want us defending Japan, we won't be. This is definitely far fetched don't get me wrong, but it's true.

probably

yea we all know how that ended.

みなさんの国が200年前に中国を集団暴行してドラッグ漬けにしたので、日本は不相応な強大化をしなければなりませんでした。

@@dyong888 Only the US is capable of dealing any damage to the japanese navy, your point is invalid

@@ydk1k253 hahah. whatever.

It will be interested to see the direction navies take in the future. That's a lot of missiles to put on one hull that could still probably be disabled in a single hit. I wonder if other countries will choose to also go for larger warships with tons of missiles, or try to distribute their missiles across a greater number of smaller ships? I also wonder how cost will figure into this. Will a ship of this size, with about 3x the missile capacity of typical destroyers, come in at a lower cost than just having 3 smaller warships?

@@Rampant16 Probably cheaper cause hull and missiles are less expensive than multiple electronic and radar warfare suits.

It's frightening. If that ships fired it could sink half of a Chinese fleet

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ヤマトの名前は海上自衛隊では忌み名になってるからつけるなら武蔵かもしれない

@@user-ry4kd7zb6z maritime self defense force is a bad name itself. I'd name it imperial Japanese navy

You know that has to do with the treaty after WW2?

@@kevinrichards1539 The treat that was binned in practice thanks to Korean War. When will they formally drop it?

They can't not call them that, its a massive open goal. Japan builds two fuckhueg surface combatants again? There are only two logical names.

Big ship Big Guns Bige target Just like Yamato was! In this era this Battlecruiser would be a easy target for most Anti-naval Missiles! Japan has not learned from their mistakes! bigger is not better!

@@killingyouwithlogic5808 Only if you don't have three hulls ready to launch for every hull you lost.

@@killingyouwithlogic5808 not really. missile hit target anyway those days.

@@killingyouwithlogic5808 big ship, but no big guns. Biggest probably a 5” naval gun. But it will pack a radar that will detect that missile aiming for it 400km++ away, and carry enough of its own AA missiles take out watever aerial threat is heading its way or Japan. 288 VLS cells does not equate to 288 missiles btw.. u can fit 4 sparrows in one VLS cell. Ofcourse someting as fat as an SM6, SM3 or tomahawk do take up room of one entire cell. And do u really think something that big and expensive will sail on its own? Hell nah. Its got its own escort for sure.

No, this thing can't fight! It is only a floting airdefense device. That's all.

Yes they build this for murica, as lapdog to serve murica interest, but can it survive from tsunami?

sounds like a pretty sound judgement if size was the desired factor for comparison.

@@Adam-jo3gu Sounds like you think an orange is like an apple because they’re so similar in size. Smdh… you can’t be this dumb.

Well whats the differenc between a frigate and a Destroyer

@@KennyNGA depends on what kind of destroyers, specifically, what theyre packing. Somthing like the arleigh burke, while not well-endowed in terms of missile count compared to a ticonderoga, is big and beefy enough to operate alone and in open oceans. And japan already has 8 destroyers similar to the burkes. A frigate is considerably smaller (hence less fuel and range and endurance) and is less armed (cant fight for too long). Hence frigates either operate in a battlegroup/flotilla or they patrol relatively near to its home port. Now… as for the kirov and this giant thing japan has plans for, theyre big not because they have to, but because they need to. Kirov packed enough giant missiles in its forward VLS deck to completely swamp a carrier group. That was the doctrine anyways. While this yamato 2.0 is big because of the giant radar it has plans on carrying.

Are you 80?

My granpa passed away a month ago at a ripe old age of 81. Imperial japan landed in malaysia when he was barely a year old. The two nukes were dropped and extinguished imperial japan when he was just 4 years old. The japan from WW2 is long gone my man… only their ghosts remain in the form of that notorious shrine and a few memorial sites in Hiroshima n Nagasaki.

when the Mongol empire tries to rise again, Chinese Ming Dynasty just invaded the capital of the Mongols and teach them a lesson,

I mean, why not? Despite having a history of conquering its neighbors, killing its own people, and endless infighting between factions... China was freely allowed to have a massive arms buildup without any restrictions on its military, or nuke capabilities.

Protect itself for once.

Or just abandon their pacifistic mentality altogether. But that would need a broader societal change for that to happen.

@@mazmurelvictory5755, and would cause more bricks to be shat now that Germany is also re-arming. Wait I've seen this one...

Yes now they deployed a cv near japan...wthell...

@@enoughothis oh no....

yeah forget 12/7/41

@@brucewelty7684 Hard to remember something that happened decades before I was born but in my imagination 1940's Imperial Japan looks a lot like a different fascist power that is currently making threats to take over the same region. I'm a lot more worried about them than being bombed by the ghost of Yamamoto.

@@jonb914 The main similarity, though, is their view of anyone not Islander Nip. We are all!!! gaijin. All it would take is a slight government distortion and their true nature will return. Case in point the USA Democratic party. Same mindset as 1860 #AppomatoxWasAMiatake

@@brucewelty7684 Your theory and your supporting case both make zero sense. Japan is a representative democracy. Nationalist reactionaries (aka fascists) are the problem, and yes any government can be toppled by a concerted effort by enough of them, just as US democracy is teetering due to MAGA reactionaries. Every country is capable of being a best and worst version of itself. The Democratic party of today has nothing in common with 1860 which is why the people flying Confederate flags and bitching about statue removals are almost exclusively GOP, not to mention they are largely living in the same physical location. Their spiritual ancestors (and for the most part actual ancestors) are of the Confederacy.

Ya. and it should proudly fly the IJN ensign (Rising Sun Flag).

@@sirxavior1583 Their naval forces never stopped flying it, so that won't be an issue.

just name them Yamato and Musashi 2.0 lol Perhaps Shinano 2.0 Can squeeze in

and maybe this time she won't just be a port queen

Technically they're named after objects or concepts that exist whether you associate them with Imperial Japan or not, such as mountains (Kongo), provinces (Yamato), kinds of wind (names ending in -kaze)... But yeah.

Japan could only build a few Yamato ships in that war it lost (maybe you lost with them), although it still uses the same flag it surrendered with. China already has bigger ships right now.

Most sane comment in this thread.

The Yamato was a beautiful ship for ship to ship combat as was the musashi. I’m not even Japanese 😊