Japan Large Saxophone Ensemble Summit 11 Holst Jupiter 

ERBOCH fr😂

Exactly what I just said

Sax be like: it's alright we can do what they can do, but they can't do everything we can do, we don't need them😤

*"Fine. I'll do it myself."*

😂 fr tho underrated comment

to be fair there is a double bass, but it's still pretty quiet though.

@del6781 .. you took the words right out of my mouth !! Amazing.

yes, it often sounds like there are high strings. I would have never expected that but I guess adding the sopranino saxes gives it that shimmer in the top end making it resemble a violin section.

Damn right

Hell yea

Same goes for me bro

Diego Rovaglia too true

That's actually Adolphe Saxs dream. Or to say it another way, he intended for the saxophone to replace every instrument in the orchestra in order to get a more harmonious sound and easier cross instrument understanding of each others Instrument

@@christopherhutt4558 too bad he invented it "too late", when most of the biggest orchestral composers had already found their "standard" organic, and that his enemies went around in the biggest Paris conservatories to tell every composer to not use his instrument in order to sabotage him. Such a pity for our instrument

Agreed

+isaiah baggett The light vibrato is what gives the string sound. As for horn sound, my best guess is size 4 reeds :)

Yess‼ I play flute & it also sounds like flutes & piccolo at times. Even clarinet. So crazy :)

Yet is never utilized in a proper classical orchestra. They know it's power all too well.

I have found my people :D

welcome home

As a clarinetist, I can't dispute this.

David P. Minus percussion

great!♧

Earl Joseph rip sopranos especially

Jacobi Nelson sopranino sax especially😂

Quenya Sindarin there weren’t any

@@Matthew-ll3fp Actually, there were two on the left of the front row.

carloslcarreira But serious though, why the need for the double bass?

+carloslcarreira my guess is they couldnt get a hold of a ContraBass Sax or something similarly low.

+carloslcarreira String basses can play long, sustained notes - no need for a breath. They also can play pizzicato (pluck the string) which brings a unique orchestral effect to the ensemble. It's a nice re-enforcement for smaller ensembles as well and puts less strain on the lower instruments in long, lyric passages. listen at 03:00; the staccato notes in the bass section are a little smoother because of the unique attack/decay of the plucked bass.

+isaiah baggett I know what you mean, but you can have circular breath and slap tongue for those effects. Might just be me, but I don't hear that much difference in the staccato notes by influence of the double bass.

Well... As you can probably see, there are virtually no "bass" voices in the ensemble although I do think I see only one bass saxophone. The string bass (or double bass) is pretty much a foundation for the ensemble that just gives a full bass platform of sound rather than just a baritone end. Its really just for the effect. String basses just fill the room more than a baritone sax...

Eh, kinda hard to compose for an instrument that didn't exist yet ;)

The saxophone had existed for 70 years by the time this piece was written.

The Big Tune sounds good on lots of things. There’s an abridged setting here in RU-vid of Jupiter for two melodicas but for the big Tune one switches to piano, and it’s very moving: the melodica with a good player is very expressive, and the piano works well with it.

It was just the snobs; it was instrument makers who ganged up to sabotage Sax so his instrument wouldn’t put them out of business.

the saxophone never had enough skilled players in the early 1900s so it didn't make sense for composers to include them in orchestras.

@@yosebko132 Kind of a chicken and egg problem. Many instrumentalists that might have played sax were essentially threatened by other equipment manufacturers/composers so they never picked up the sax. And those that did stayed quiet about it.

Same, seems like a fun job to have

There is that one bass fiddle off to our right.

Saxes can pretty well imitate other instruments, like the strings, except without the violins metallic screeching.

Carli Q thank you. You have no clue how bad instrumentalists get left out. When at a gig everyone congratulated the singer. It’s nice to know that some singers appreciate us. Thank you

That's pretty damn awesome, would love to hear it!

Saxophones were never removed from the orchestra. They were never a part to begin with, because the orchestra had already been defined as what it is today. Saxophones were too new to be considered. Besides, they found a great home in Marching, Jazz and Concert Band or even huge ensambles such as this one!

Dylan McCormack It was the composer's dream to eventually make the saxophone a permanent orchestral instrument. The reason why that didn't happen, was because the French snobs that dominated the music academia and orchestras simply didn't like him. They were jealous of Adolphe Sax, who was a very talented man.

Well, several French composers included a sax or saxes in some of their orchestral pieces. Bizet and Ravel come to mind. And lots of Russians: Mussorgsky, Rachmaninoff, Prokofiev, Shostakovitch...

I don't know if I'd agree that they should have REPLACED the brass. But they should certainly be a part of the orchestra as an extra section of colours to be used. Unfortunately even today apparently you need to be a very well-established composer to be able to attempt including them in your score if you want a feasible performance, which is odd when you consider the number of sax players, but it's an indication that they are probably contracted to come and play rather than really being part of the orchestra.

+Addy Dodd Thanks!

+Addy Dodd Ah, thank you, Addy.

aww yeah

Awww....thank you. I really like saxophonists as well.

thank you

Check this : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-BsfPS7pXg1E.html

From what I understand, Saxes aren't in classical Orchestras is cause the inventor of the sax was very egotistical and the classical snobs of that era didn't like him so the refused to acknowledge him and the Sax.

@@CreaativeName bruh lol

If they let saxophones play in the rchestra, people would realise they don't need any of the other instruments.

The saxophone was basically designed to replace the entire orchestra setup. Established instrument makers, threatened by this, conspired to ruin Adolph Sax by slandering him and keeping him in debt and in court with baseless copyright claims. Sax died pennyless, before the saxophone had really moved past use by military bands. He never saw what his instrument has accomplished in the last century. He had actually designed a whole family of saxophones for the orchestra, but (except for the C Melody) they were never made in high numbers. The ones in common use today; the soprano, alto, tenor, etc., were from the side developed for military bands

Same. A surprising gem, crisp in quality, and flawless in performance. And silent tears at the Andante Maestoso.

It's 8 years later and it's still bringing a tear to peoples' eyes. This version using almost all saxophones is genuinely beautiful

Oboes and English horns stick out even more than saxophones, yet they are still a part of the orchestra.

Just bang on a sax lmao

who says we need any non saxophone instrument?

Their timbre, the techniques unique to those instruments, and the fact that most musicians don't play saxophone.

sax is pretty versatile

@@aloysiusdevadanderabercrombie8. I would hope that this was nothing short of the greatest example of how timbrelly diverse the saxophone is. And your assumption that there aren’t weight Sax players is wrong. Sax is the only instrument that doesn’t have an orchestral seat. So there would be thousands of saxophonists that would come out if the woodwork, seemingly from nowhere.

@@jacobbass6226 I was not at all saying that we should not have saxophones in the orchestra. Quite the contrary, in fact, I am a strong proponent of having at least a quartet as part of an orchestra, and make sure to write them in when I'm doing orchestral pieces. I was instead objecting to the original comment, which said "what do we need brass and strings for". Indeed, there are many things on string and brass instruments that you cannot replicate with saxophones, and many other things that you may only be able to approximate. And considering there are many hundreds of thousands of orchestral instrument players that don't play sax, I said "the fact that most musicians don't play saxophone". It is not an incorrect statement. I don't believe _any_ instrument can replace another, especially if it was from an entirely different family. I certainly don't believe any instrument can replace an entire orchestra.

The timbre of a saxophone's high notes is very close to that of a violin. Add some vibrato and a gentle attack, and it sounds almost identical to strings. Also listen to Yasuto Tanaka playing bari sax. He sounds just like a cello.

Probably they all s class musicians,this level now is unreachable for me

For bass

Kyrnotik why not bass sax then

Not bassy enough

Kyrnotik contrabass?

Not bassy enough

About 150.

Unless they can find or even afford to buy a Contrabass Sax then yeah a string bass a logical choice as it has a very similar timbre to a lower pitched saxophone. I know there is the Tubax, but it's not a cheap instrument AT ALL!

i’d rather not be in debt

@@CorvetteCoonassTubaxes are also super new iirc. I’d like to see them get use but that takes time.

No contrabass saxophones