Japanese Verbs: The Incredibly Useful つ Rule!

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Learn Japanese pitch-accent and pronunciation from my Patreon Series "Japanese Phonetics"
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@Dogen 2 года назад

Pitch-accent and pronunciation lessons, listening exercises, and ANKI decks here! www.patreon.com/dogen

@MAlanThomasII 2 года назад

The bit about training your ears reminds me of something my wife has said about her training in visual art, martial arts, &c.: A lot of it is the ability to simply see what is actually there rather than letting you brain fill in what it expects, as this is a prerequisite to reproducing it.

@networkedperson 2 года назад

@@MAlanThomasII I think Dogan's native language must be beagle...

@AwesomeWholesome 2 года назад

I had been living in Osaka for almost 2 years now and have always pronounced those accentless patterns the incorrect way. Is there a video on this specific pattern that you can point me to on youtube or your patreon?

@Dogen 2 года назад

@@AwesomeWholesome Hi HIkky! I actually think it would be better to go through my series from the beginning, rather than jumping ahead to any specific video, as that might result in even more confusion. Here's a link again for your convenience! www.patreon.com/dogen I'd also like to note, however, that you may actually be saying those words correctly if you're speaking in Osaka dialect, as pitch-accent in Kansai is different than that of standard Japanese. If you think you were saying them wrong before you went to Osaka, however, then it's probably a result of untrained ears, rather than the result of living in Osaka. Hope this helps!

@huge3896 2 года назад

Learning Japanese seems to be this weird process where, every time you finish one of your long goals in the language you feel compelled to go back and learn everything from the beginning, with a focus on a different aspect. Pitch accent is definitely going to be one of those things too.

@Dogen 2 года назад

So true! Pitch-accent and pronunciation in particular I believe should be studied early on as doing so is certainly the best way to avoid developing bad speaking habits. Always easier to create a good habit than it is to get rid of a bad habit and replace it with a good one. Cheers!

@ValeRubioo 2 года назад

I haven’t moved from N5 in 2 years cause I keep going back to the beginning. Now I’m trying to move on despite my urge to learn Japanese with “a better book, app, method”

@深夜-l9f Год назад

@Nullatrum・ノラ虎 probably no one else will tell you this, i will. to learn japanese you have to be a japanese and to be a japanese you have to have a japanese subconscious which is formed over centuries. best way is to be born into a japanese family and be raised there. but you can also join later though now you make conscious efforts to learn. unless you be a japanese you will always be an outsider and never be able to speak the language, more than like a linguist. that's why it's difficult. first of all japan's condition is so rare, so almost no one in the rest of the world can match. so don't be upset, if you really want to, start from zero and build yourself and then you will be able to make rapport. if you don't have intentions to aim for that level, stop this waste. this is the reality.

@Faelitu Год назад

@@ValeRubioo Best way to get up to N1 (at least it was for me) is to study at Kumon. I also learned the correct pitch accent from the very beginning there as well ☺️.

@mxchii 7 месяцев назад

@@深夜-l9fik answering more than a year later is maybe pointless but just wanted to point out one important aspect that you missed. Since English is not my first language I could confidently tell you: it is no different. With ur native language you develop the basic ruleset of speaking that becomes the default mode. And these habits are nearly impossible to fully get rid of when trying to use another language (especially pronunciation). Why bother tho? The problem is within society more than inside every learner's brain so to speak. English is so commonly used for international communication that people are used to all the weirdness produced by, ehm... so-called "foreigners". That's why you won't be laughed at just because of your pronunciation or insta-jouzu'd (the bad way) after asking for a direction in a slightly off manner. On the other hand Japanese is so hard to learn that for japanese people you encounter you could be the first non-native they meet. That could be why they don't know how to react/IF they need to react. Or a cultural cliche? Anyways, the thing you were right about is that you simply *have to* learn to live with being a witness of such an attitude daily or never try learning a "not-so-international" language I guess.

@Jeonex 2 года назад

The fact that this information is available for free on RU-vid is incredible, thank you so much once again dogen san

@Dogen 2 года назад

My pleasure Jeonex!

@kr2585 2 года назад

You're amazing! Actually, even though I am a Japanese, I didn't know the rule at all. And I realized how difficult Japanese' accent and pronounce , so people who study Japanese are excellent. I respect you guys.

@worldcomicsreview354 2 года назад

I've always said when I moved to Japan (and started teaching English), I had to re-learn English. I didn't even know the rule for A or An

@RadenWA 2 года назад

Yes, there are many linguistic features that native people would just learn naturally through mimicry rather than being aware that it’s a specific rule.

@BoringFlightVids 2 года назад

You didnt know a and an??? How did you last this long online without getting attacked 😅😅

@FlowsPhotoSquare 2 года назад

My teacher once laughed so hard at me for my pronounciation of the word for Curry and He. It was so awk and he in that situation did not make clear what my mistake was. I then began to look for pronounciation and found you. It was a relief to finally have found the solution but then i began to fear my own pronounciation with every sentence. A big THANKS to you for everything that you do because you do it in such a lovely, friendly, fun and positive way it is so good to listen and watch.

@Dogen 2 года назад

My pleasure Ravendorify! I've been in many similar circumstances before-can vividly remember getting laughed at for using the wrong pitch-accent for rain (said candy instead)-and I try to make my series feel positive and friendly specifically because of said experiences. There's no shame in making a mistake, only in making fun of people who unknowingly make them. Best of luck with your future Japanese studies!

@daemanuhr 2 года назад

@@Dogen You just reminded me of the scene in Adam Sandler's Bedtime Stories when it rained gumballs! It actually happened, 飴が降っていた.

@Mengou3000 2 года назад

You are more proficient in teaching the pitch accent than my teachers for 3 years of bachelor in Japanese studies I swear - I only had 3hours of speaking and listening per week, and 20 hours of writing and history of Japan... Thanks that's super useful to avoid the infamous 「日本語上手！」「あぁ～そうなんですか！ありがとうございます…🙄」

@DisgruntledPigumon 2 года назад

I think your “tomorrow” example is the perfect example. Until people hear how bad it sounds in their own language, they probably won’t think it’s such a big deal. But seriously, once you hear it, you don’t want to make that same mistake.

@diegomastro5681 2 года назад

Its so funny cause english isnt my native language, so I heard it and was like "no big deal" but then thought it in spanish and oh boy does it sound wrong

@Gabu_ Год назад

@@diegomastro5681 Yeah, change the accent of "tomorrow" from "mo" to "row", and you instantly get the image of a Frenchman speaking English.

@TopAnimeLoverEver 2 года назад

As I am just starting Japanese classes in one week, and have been focusing on getting the accents of words correct, I really like this video pointing out *what* to listen to, providing examples of how it sounds as well. I feel more confident going into this, and more prepared. I am also prepared to take my leftover tuition money to sign up for your Patreon to further my learning and ensure I am getting the most of my learning. Thank you Dogen.

@Dogen 2 года назад

Thank you very much for the kind words and support, Top. If you found this video useful, I'm sure you'll find the Patreon series to be worth it as well. Thanks again, and best of luck with your future studies!

@alex_roston 2 года назад

I think I mentioned it before, but afaik it's actually better for learners if the correct pronounciation is shown at the end cause the last thing is always what sticks to your mind. I even recognised this myself during the video when trying to recap words in my mind. But nevertheless great advice, as always. Thanks a lot, Dogen!

@Dogen 2 года назад

My apologies-I try to do this in my Patreon series but didn't for this video as I was trying to concentrate more on the rule itself, rather than the recordings. My mistake-will be conscious of this in the next one!

@DisgruntledPigumon 2 года назад

I actually prefer NOT hearing the wrong example at all. But if I have to, I’d like correct, incorrect, correct.

@conodera7670 2 года назад

So, having watched many of your videos, it now finally makes sense what my mom was saying when I was little and trying to learn Japanese. She kept saying I was saying Japanese words incorrectly, but she couldn’t articulate why. I ended up just pronouncing all my Japanese flat with very little to no inflection. Your videos have been very enlightening. Thank you!

@brunosimoes9721 Год назад

Thank you so much, Dogen. It feels like it's nearly impossible to find good information regarding pitch accent anywhere, and you're one of the fewer, and in my personal opinion, THE BEST ONE, when it comes to covering one of the most important -- if not REALLY the most important part of the japanese language, at least for all people from western countries -- underrated aspect of the japanese language. I just wish there was more information out there regarding pitch accent for numbers and counters. Could you tell me if there are patterns for the pitch accent of all numbers, or they're all a huge mass of information that you have to memorize to learn them. Thank you once again. It's just I started learning japanese a year ago and everything I learned from this channel, and now this video, they're all helping me lot. Thank you.

@MiSSkOCALiNA 2 года назад

There was never once a discussion about accents in my 4 years of Japanese at school. Everything was supposed to be just flat without accent besides Hana (nose and flower) 😂😂😂

@Dogen 2 года назад

It really is a shame they don't teach this in most classrooms-it makes it almost impossible for most learners to nip bad habits in the bud!

@reynaldoflores4522 2 года назад

Really? What school was that?

@MiSSkOCALiNA 2 года назад

@@reynaldoflores4522 not a language school but a German institution you can compare to Highschool in the United States

@JustJakeTravel 2 года назад

ありがとうございます

@momota5642 2 года назад

日本語ネイティブとしては一つ一つの動詞のピッチなんて考えた事もなかったけど、言われてみたら確かに…。目から鱗です。「開ける」は平板なのに「付ける」は尾高、でも「見つける」はまた平板だったりして、学習者からしたら訳がわからないですよね。そのあたり英語の例を交えながら学習者にもわかりやすく説明されてるDogenさんは流石だと思いました。

@LadyPelikan 2 года назад

Learning Russian ALWAYS includes the accent placement (tonic). I don't understand why it's not the same in Japanese. Pronunciation is SO important when learning a language.

@cantacarallada 2 года назад

In the case of Russian, knowing the accent is important because the pronunciation of the other vowels is affected by it. I guess people think in Japanese it's not that important because "people will understand you anyway", but it blows my mind that I only learned about it when a person actually didn't understand me: beginners books don't include it, teachers don't correct you and don't explain it either, and THE WORSE THING, there are people on the Internet debating if students should learn it or not, the same way they talk about learning or not kanji. It's ridiculous! If we are going to memorise an accent anyway (unconsciously) based on our mothertongue when we learn new words, why not learn the right accent from the beginning? Hope new books start including the pitch accent, like An Integrated Approach To Intermediate Japanese. Sorry, if I sound angry is because I am, thinking about all the time wasted 😅.

@Sergio-rl8wb 2 года назад

Also in Spanish

@LadyPelikan 2 года назад

@@cantacarallada I can only agree! Pronunciation is crucial to make oneself understood. "Luckily" I'm only starting to learn Japanese, so I'll do my best from the beginning. Problem is, the accent isn't given on flashcards, or in apps... and apparently not in real textbooks either?

@ryu1216 2 года назад

普通に日本語母語話者が見ても面白いんだよなこういう動画

@nequall 2 года назад

日本語って難しいですよね。

@adam8.8.8. Год назад

関西人はincorrectアクセントがナチュラル。正誤の問題ではない気がする。同じ音でも単語によって音程が変わる日本語は難しい。こう解説されると、外国人にとって、ざっくり関東弁と関西弁はかなり違って聞こえるのかも…。「役立つ」は棒読みでもナチュラルだと思うなぁ。英語とかはアクセントが大事って聞くし、Dogenさんの解説で気付かされることは多い。

@gradate01 2 года назад

そうだったんだ…。このレベルの説明は日本人にとっても目から鱗です。というかDogenさん、ただ真面目なだけの動画も撮れるんですね🤣

@minhashamayim4824 Год назад

I do not agree. Do babies need to be taught pitch accent? How is it that you need to unnaturally learn pitch accent? I am sure that human is capable of naturally to learn pitch accent, it is not something you need to focus on, as though you need to remember to close the door after you leave the house, kinda pathetic to do that, do you not trust another human being? To learn the language like the natives, is to learn it like the natives, to learn it as a child. Maybe for English speaking people it is more difficult, but I am from Poland, it is much more difficult for the Japanese to acquire Polish pronunciation, than for Polish to acquire Japanese intonation. Language is like a music, you need only learn the melody of it.

@Septimius 2 года назад

Could you do a demonstration of correct and incorrect pitch accent in normal sentences? It feels like that would be amazing ear training.

@yankokremenarov1113 2 года назад

You're really, really, really good at explaining and extremely likable at the same time. Will definitely join your Patreon community when I'm finally done with Genki 2. Dogen 先生、ありがとう。

@Dogen 2 года назад

Thank you very much Yanko! Best of luck with your Japanese studies, and looking forward to seeing you on Patreon!

@reynaldoflores4522 2 года назад

先生に敬語を話してください

@sejcai 2 года назад

@@reynaldoflores4522 教師かよ

@reynaldoflores4522 2 года назад

@@sejcai すみませんでした、私は日本人でわありません、日本語の学生だけです、

@olfrud Год назад

I do get the point of the video and it's super informative...but on the other hand...is it really that bad if someone has a foreign accent? I mean as a native german speaker I would be more than happy to ever hear an american speaking german even if it is completely broken and accented in english. But it never happens lol

@kare-shinkun 2 года назад

僕は日本人ですけど、日本人でも、日本語は難しいって感じることがあります。日本語頑張って覚えてほしい。ぼくも英語頑張る。

@sournois90 2 месяца назад

as a japanese learner i am so happy i managed to fully understand your first sentence all by myself, it's honestly a great accomplishment for me

@naostravel4727 2 года назад

面白いことに、私の大阪人の母に「〇つ」をいくつか読ませてみたろころ、アクセントが下がることはなく逆に全部上がりました😂 大阪弁のイントネーションは標準語とかけ離れているようです。

@azineox9633 2 месяца назад

I'm super happy that I found your channel

@emppp 2 года назад

Really appreciate that whenever you say a word with the wrong pitch, you don't wait long before saying it in the right pitch again.

@Dogen 2 года назад

Thank you!

@seapeajones 2 года назад

Wish someone had told me this 20 years ago.

@cool0collin 2 года назад

I'm just beginning the learning process, but I'm gonna pretend that watching your videos is going to be helpful in the long run and ignore how little I know where to apply these rules 😇

@Dogen 2 года назад

Haha no worries at all! If you try to go slowly, maybe one rule a week or every other week it's actually very manageable. Best of luck with your studies!

@XSpImmaLion 2 года назад

Don't know if this is the logic behind, but it makes sense that -tsu would be non-accented considering it's one of those... syllables? Kanas? that often gets omitted or shortened in pronunciation. Would it be correct to say that -tsu is never accented? Or are there exceptions? -n is also like that, right?

@Dogen 2 года назад

Hi Sport Seeker. This is a tricky question, but the short answer is that no, it's not safe to assume that つ is never accented. It is in fact the accented sound in the word shoes（くつ）, for example, so the phrase 靴が (くつが) should be pronounced as kuTSU ga. Remember the つ rule only applies to the dictionary form of verbs specifically. Hope this was beneficial, and if you'd like to learn more I'd encourage you to consider signing up on Patreon! www.patreon.com/dogen Cheers

@danielantony1882 2 года назад

@@Dogen Maybe the no accent only applies to verbs or did I miss some words?

@whimsicalVanilla Год назад

Hi Dogen, I started teaching Japanese at a high school last year and have been trying to teach the basics of pitch accent, and modeling correct pitch for new words when I can. The other Japanese teacher at the school doesn't teach it at all; she thinks it isn't worth while because pitch for words varies depending on the dialect. :/ I think it's still important to be aware of.

@D0llqueen 2 года назад

I find this problem relatable to dealing with my cluttering speech impediment, because you're focusing on accurately reproducing a sound vs what your body naturally wants to do. Untrained, you have the same issue of making a mistake but maybe not even noticing unless you're expending a portion of your energy towards that. The good news is it does get easier with practice until it takes an unnoticable amount of effort!

@valoeghese Год назад

A similar kind of pattern I’ve noticed while looking at pitch accent of words is that -しい adjectives tend to have the accent on し. I’m not advanced or anything so I don’t know if this applies in every case, but it seems to apply in all the cases I know

@luci2k153 2 года назад

i'm going to japan in 3 or 4 weeks for a 1 year university exchange program. your content has been pretty entertaining and informative, even if i'm probably gonna have 外国人みたいな日本語 for a while

@urouroniwa 2 года назад

My mother in law definitely doesn't understand me when I make pitch accent mistakes :-) It's the biggest incentive to improving my pronunciation. I have mixed feelings, though. Rules are definitely useful, but in the end I think you *do* have to train your ears. A rule is nice to double check that you are doing it correctly, but in the end you need to train your neural network to just *do it*. Shadowing has been the only effective strategy I've used for that. Getting my wife to make fun of me if I make a mistake is useful too. It took her a while, but she's getting eerily enthousiastic about it...

@radionmynayev865 2 года назад

I learned more in this video than from my now 5 month of language school in Japan. Thank you

@katanamuramasazan 2 года назад

日本人だけど意識したことなかったです

@shaelacloud1819 2 года назад

Isn't it okay to have an accent? saying something with a different pitch isn't necessary for japanese right? unlike chinese where accent changes the word meaning entirely.

@Dogen 2 года назад

It's not always the case, but there are certainly times in which pitch-accent is the only is the only differentiating factor between words. This is true for the words 雨 and 飴, 花 and 鼻, 変える and 帰る, etc. Naturally, speaking with the wrong pitch-accent also makes one's speech sound distinctly foreign, though some people are OK with this, while others would prefer to fix the things they can-really comes down to personal preference. Cheers!

@KramRemin 25 дней назад

I would call the Hey-Bong pattern . . . uncollapsed. Rather than flat. HAVE ORDERED MY NHK PRONUNCIATION dictionary, will soon boil it down to the relevant patterns (as I've done for Ancient Greek) become a DOUBLEPLUSGOOD JOUZU PITCHABOO . . . real soon.

@user-ui3ty6uv3w 2 года назад

I err heavily on the side of saying every verb as flat as possible, so this was a very sobering realization that every single time I've said 待つ I was saying it okashii while somehow not realizing. You're spot on that eventually some form of pronunciation study seems necessary to sound natural

@EggBenis 2 года назад

Good point.

@KramRemin 25 дней назад

I'm LITERALLY making the OUR SURVEY SAID -- ZERO PERCENT! noise after each of the WRONG pronunciations. Because they have to be MARKED in my mind as wrong.

@Jajko493 2 года назад

I've been learning Japanese for quite some time, but never really cared much for stress patterns. This is very informative, made me realise why I pronounce some verbs that I only learned by ear differently from others for no reason :)

@MyLittleMagneton 2 года назад

These aren't stress patterns, but pitch accent patterns. See his video "Japanese Phonetics #5 Terminology" from 6:35 👍

@Jajko493 2 года назад

@@MyLittleMagneton Thank you for the correction :)

@garbageplate Год назад

I used to discuss with my friends what we thought the lyrics to vocaloid songs were. And then go check to see who had the most accurate guess. For both pronunciation and translation. Pronunciation guesses were usually decent but not the lyrics.

@KennethSee 2 года назад

Super helpful!! I’ll be listening to my coworkers as they speak Japanese with an ear for accents. Or at least attempting to lol

@jameswoods832 2 года назад

that helps me

@ThalonRamacorn Год назад

Seriously I am unable to hear the differences... same reason I cant play any instruments I guess. 日本語を子供のころから学んでいるくせに、アクセントのことになると音痴になってしまう。。。むかつくよ

@mazayaka8014 2 года назад

In JTest, in writing sentences, especially, D-E level, can I think normally and write? 私が今一番知りたいことです。答える皆さんえ心から感謝いたします。

@dcdx8966 2 года назад

You’re a legend Dogen. I came to Japan 6 years ago and I remember back then I used to brag that I could read Hiragana. I used to point out street signs to my wife and think I was the Japanese king. I soon realised Japanese is fairly HARD and started to study seriously. Two years ago I quit English teaching and found a real job and again as I had N2 I assumed I’d be a Japanese master but was quickly reminded that I’m still terrible and I was great at JLPT but not Japanese. I use your videos all the time and you give me confidence - my wife (a real life Japanese human) thinks you’re great too and honestly if you ever leave Japan I’m going home. Thank you!

@angelicreinforcement3373 2 года назад

"If you ever leave Japan I'm going home?" What the hell? 😂 you stalking my pitch accent sensei?

@GinsuChikara 2 года назад

I know entirely too much about how Japanese works for someone who can't speak Japanese at all, and it's entirely your fault, Dōgen.

@Dogen 2 года назад

どういたしまして

@GinsuChikara 2 года назад

先輩気づいた！

@FurokkuFurokku 4 месяца назад

Do verbs have the same pitch after conjugation or may conjugation change a word's pitch?

@TC_Personal Год назад

I'm from the SouthEastern US... I can't even pronounce English words correctly. There's no hope.

@esverker7018 2 года назад

Question: How does the pitch placement work when the verb isn't in the infinitive? I know to put the accent 2nd to last with つverbs, but what happens when 待つ becomes 待たなければいけません, for example?

@ta96943 2 года назад

My partner listening to this while I’m watching the video: 「英語うまくない？この人も帰国子女？？」 Me: 「……そうやとおもうよ」

@Jyoryaxx 8 месяцев назад

Strangely i don't seem to have that problem at all, just repeating the words, at least i don't think so. I can seem to recognize the difference quite easily. It's like music. Maybe I'm wrong? Nice rule to know regardless.

@gabriellecoco6183 2 года назад

突然の質問失礼致します。是非お伺いさせていただきたいのですが、英語話者の日本語学習者どうしでも日本人が日本人の英語を厳しく批判（誹謗中傷含む）をするような現象はあるのでしょうか？

@xandostres Год назад

Does the pitch accent change with 浴びる when you change the conjugation to for example 浴びって? Do you keep the「って」 on the same pitch as you would the former「る」of the word?

@saturn_in_blue 6 месяцев назад

I don't understand why anyone struggles with pitch accent, it's so easy to hear. I can't believe that people can't hear it, it's so obvious and easy to repeat correctly. WTH.

@HeartPliz 2 года назад

jokes on you. i purPOSEfully pronouncê my english incorrect.

@shangri-leicht8923 2 года назад

Im so thankful that i found your channel very early in my Japanese studies, which allows me to avoid most of these mistakes from the get go. I automatically apply low-high-high to new verbs and words and if the word has an accent, i deviate my pitch. ありがとうな、道元先生！

@jaysysumakaRatMaster3 4 месяца назад

In all fairness as an early learner to Japanese it’s great just to learn the verbs even if pitch is wrong.

@davidbagley1783 Год назад

The illustrations are extremely helpful

@kiritanJ Год назад

Hello and welcome to a discussion of which particular pronunciation is right. Pronunciation , pitch intonation, and other sound features pertaining to the rythm and and sound of speech ARE NOT meant to be studied, unless for pure linguistic purposes. If you are looking to be comprehensive in your audio, just make sure you listen to others. So many people focus on the textbooks and educational videos while the ultimate tool to make your intonation and pronunciation JUST PERFECT is always right there . Use your EARS ( you know they are connected to your brain don't you) you do not need to use your eyes to teach your ears.

@okeyjet 2 года назад

Hi. Thanks for all the generous work. Just a production tip. Even though English is my first language, it’s really distracting with your mouth disappearing behind the mike business. Please lower it or put to one side. If it’s a condenser mike you could probably have it out of shot without problems. Cheers

@HeraldoS2 Год назад

Now I am confused, when they say that japanese has pitch, does it mean like pitch in sound pitch (tone/frequency) or does it mean accent as in sound stress (like a lingering syllable)?

@JorgetePanete 2 года назад

I don't know how much I could infer from unknown words, I already know English but to the point that it's very clear that it's learnt word by word, is Japanese more regular?

@exploshaun Год назад

My native language is a tonal language. This means I can differentiate pitch accents by default... right?

@gareththerrien3473 2 года назад

Oh man, 1) when did I get unsubbed? 2) I just realized I say most of my Japanese words in studying in the first pattern

@diego-wn2vk 10 месяцев назад

acredito que há um nome para isso em português: palavras paroxítonas. i believe there's a name for that in portuguese: words with a stress on the penultimate syllable (second from end)

@mateo-bf2vf 2 года назад

hey Dogen, I have a problem where i can understand kanji but i cannot remember how to say it. for example 月曜日、i can understand that it means monday, but until i look at the pronunciation (げつようび), I do not understand how to say it. what can I do to prevent this from happening?

@spiritmuse 2 года назад

Yeah I noticed I started having this issue too, where I will know what the kanji means but not how to pronounce it. What I've started doing is learning vocabulary in kana (and sound) first, to make sure I know the actual word, and then later I will learn how to write/read it. But I don't know if that's the best way.

@Ironclad404 Год назад

From what I heard Japanese people don't take your seriously if your pronunciation is not perfect and switch to their broken English so they don't have to listen to your bad Japanese. I am just learning to read, because I can't hear pitch at all and would just look dumb in their eyes. It's strange, in my language there are many accents and dialects and i think it's beautiful. I never thought there must be one correct way of speaking and none else.

@Fourbix 2 года назад

Such an englishman problem. My language has no tonic accent, i just need to learn the rule and i'm good! Now to start learning japanese...

@Littlefighter1911 2 года назад

5:40 Oh I know just how bad I am. I'm not even surprised to learn that I pronounced "to open" wrong all this time.

@henryfleischer404 9 месяцев назад

0:20 here's where I talk along with the strongest possible American accent.

@modernpirate 2 года назад

If it wasn't for your new haircut, I'd accuse you of splitting hairs...

@ProFudgey Год назад

I'm assuming it's because like in Spanish, words with accents have different meanings

@ビビくん-v1w Год назад

If Taberu-eat is flat in simple verb then what is the accent on do you want eat causal form- (taberu?). Is the word still flat or not?

@TheStellarJay 2 года назад

You should make a video here for the 2 kanji 4 mora rule, that was without a doubt the most helpful for me from your series

@Dogen 2 года назад

Hi Jay! I actually talk about that in one of my 'A Japanese teacher grades your Japanese' videos. Here's a link to that: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--_E2WzSKLVQ.html Cheers!

@aw-pay7751 2 года назад

ピッチ・アクセントなんてあるのか。確かに、日本語は文字だけ見ると、音の上がり下がりが分からないな。🤔

@Nekotaku_TV Год назад

I'm very bad with pitch-accent, even though my own language has it. What kind of つ pronunciation is that?

@anarfox 2 года назад

Could the wrong accent change the word to something completly differnt like it can do in Swedish?

@nemuchan 2 года назад

jokes on you my native language don't have pitch accent like in english and i can say japanese verbs correctly. i suck at speaking english tho.

@jozendesu 2 года назад

if only i found pitch accent early on better late than never I always say

@cyberrb25 2 года назад

Looking at all the verbs you say that are flat (as in they have the same pitch in the second last and last syllables) end in う and る. Maybe I'm seeing the pattern for vowel/soft consonant sound (as opposed to つ, which is a hard consonant sound).

@薔薇-k2m 2 года назад

what even is "soft" and "hard" consonant lol linguistics 2.0 terminology just dropped?

@Dogen 2 года назад

Hi Cyber! It's actually a little bit dangerous to draw conclusions like this. For example, しめる (to close) and あける (to open) both end with る, but しめる has an accent, while あける does not. Likewise, ぬう (to sew) and あらう (to wash) both end with う, but ぬう has an accent, while あらう does not. I try and break down all of the important rules in my Patreon series, so I would encourage you to check that out as it will save you a lot of guess work! Here's a link: www.patreon.com/dogen

@DANGJOS 2 года назад

@Dogen Is there a similar rule for words starting with 以? I've noticed that every word I've encountered so far, that starts with 以 like 以外, starts with a high pitch on the い sound and then drops for the rest of the word.

@tuhnutuhnu4257 Год назад

Is these pitch accent rules for english speakers ? I naturally speak like japanese people because my language has same pronounces

@HyperLuigi37 2 года назад

I'd even like to say that if you say a word with the wrong pitch accent, people will understand you... PROBABLY. It's easy to not realize how much we subconsciously rely on accent systems to understand words at high speeds, and when those are wrong, you may be able to work out what they meant anywhere from quickly to not so quickly, or even not at all depending on the word. Not to mention the few words where differing accents can mean different meanings or different words, and grammar context can often help, but not always. There's like innumerable ways to work out what was intended, but I do honestly think there are times when all those ways fail and it's just not clear.

@domino6490 2 года назад

Pitch accents that change the meaning of a word that would otherwise sound the same need accents imo, like amé. Learning materials should do this also

@pklucas9790 Год назад

What about when you live in other parts of Japan that's not Kanto. Japanese pronunciation changes quite a lot

@baronvonbeandip 2 года назад

I memba reading somewhere that Japanese is around 68% flat so I just default to that and treat accented words as special. Sorta frames the つ rule in a positive way as opposed to implying the inverse. Also, ngl, the Migaku Japanese Anki addon has me remembering words as 'purple, blue, red, and orange'

@watanabemachiko 2 года назад

日本人は「つ」と発音するのが苦手なのかもしれないです。「る」は容易に発音できるのですが。

@Xiassen 2 года назад

What I got from this is Japanese people speak with a Valley Girl accent

@cleanphreak5103 2 года назад

I feel bad for everyone who has tried to learn Japanese without Dogen and his jōzu-ness.

@finnishboy5923 5 месяцев назад

No surprise he knows something about ears..

@chickennugget6684 2 года назад

the amount of words that he dumped in this video lol great video.

@Atticus113 2 года назад

Thank you so much for this video! I work in a cancer centre in Canada and I try to use as much Japanese as I reasonably can with Japanese patients because they always comment that it makes them feel more comforted during the tests I do. I end up using 立って a lot and I'm wondering do you pitch the same in -te form? I noticed the brackets for dictionary readings.

@Dogen 2 года назад

立って also has its accent on the た！

@NotatkiCarlosa 2 года назад

The more I watch your videos the more I think that's really a shame that they didin't teach it at university even though it was Japanese studies. You're doing really good job! Thank you!

@kitsune87 2 года назад

I wonder how this changes with each dialect. For example, 父 and 乳 are pronounced the same in standard Japanese but they are differentiated by an accent in the Kansai dialect.

@tiasm919 Год назад

WHY this video only have 100K views ?

@sollertia_ 2 года назад

Personally I instinctively abide by this rule while being unaware of it because I pronounce つ lightly so the second to last syllable is naturally accented

@Dogen 2 года назад

This is good that you do this naturally, but it's also probably beneficial to know that there are many instances in which つ should not be pronounced lightly. For example, in the noun こたつ (Japanese heated table), there isn't an accent, so it sounds unnatural to pronounce it as in koTAtsu (the correct pronunciation is koTATSU). Remember, the つ rule in this video is specifically for verbs that end with つ; it doesn't apply to nouns. Cheers, and best of luck with your Japanese studies!

@sollertia_ 2 года назад

@@Dogen Thanks for the heads up!