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Jaron Lanier: The Death of Alan Turing
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According to Jaron Lanier, the right way to understand Alan Turing’s famous “Turing Test” is to understand that it “began in the mind of somebody who was in a deeply, deeply uncomfortable possible situation, who was very close to suicide, and that it amounted to a flight from life, but also a defense of life.”
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Jaron Lanier:
Jaron Lanier is a computer scientist, composer, visual artist, and author.
Lanier's name is also often associated with Virtual Reality research. He is credited with either coining or popularizing the term 'Virtual Reality' and in the early 1980s founded VPL Research, the first company to sell VR products. In the late 1980s he led the team that developed the first implementations of multi-person virtual worlds using head mounted displays, for both local and wide area networks, as well as the first "avatars", or representations of users within such systems.
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Jaron Lanier: One of the many aspects of the tragedy of Turing's death is that he wasn't able to tell us more about how he was thinking about his last communications. So I have to tread on very delicate and uncertain territory because I don't want to put words in his mouth or assume. So....
Alan Turing invented computers and he was the first hacker. He broke Nazi secret code using computers, and no one had done anything like that before. And he was in a remarkable strange historical position because his invention of computing made him one of the unquestionable heroes of World War II. However, he emerged from it as somebody who was living illegally in his own society because he was gay at a time when it was illegal to be gay in Britain.
At a certain point, without going into all the details, he was put under house arrest and subjected to a torturous medical regime that was supposed to change his sexual orientation so that he would become straight, and it involved forcing him to accept massive doses of female hormones. And he generated breasts and other female characteristics and became very depressed, and he killed himself in front of his computer using a very strange ritual, sort of like . . . I mean who can know what he was thinking, but he laced an apple with cyanide and ate it.
The reason to tell this horrible story is just to point out that the invention of the artificial intelligence idea, the invention of the idea that the computer is doing something on its own and that it's not just being programmed came out of Turing's mind during this last, very last period of his life in the weeks before his death, and he wrote a couple of notes about it in this argument that is known as the Turing Test. He proposed that a computer that could answer questions and be indistinguishable to a judge from a real person perhaps should be treated as a real person because who are we deny it moral rights?
And I think if you look at the argument in the abstract it looks like an argument for computationalism--that computers and people are fundamentally the same, that we are building a big entity in the internet and all that--, but if you look at it in the context of Turing's life a completely different picture appears, which is you realize, here is this person who is being murdered for who he is after having been one of the heroes of liberating people who were being murdered for who they were. When you realize the absolute and thunderous irony of his situation and then you think about his having created this thought experiment where he's saying, should this weird creature have rights?, I think it puts it in a very different light. And I think the right way to understand Turing is to understand that this whole thought began in the mind of somebody who was in a deeply, deeply uncomfortable, the most uncomfortable possible situation very close to suicide, and that it amounted to a flight from life, but also a defense of life.
It could have been a lot of things. It could have been a "reductio ad absurdum." If you're telling me that I don't deserve to be a human as I am, well, then make this machine human. It could have been that sort of thing. And I think it's very possibly what it was. It could also have been, "My God, what would it take for you people to give anybody respect? What's the secret?" You know, sort of a desperate cry of, like, "What is the secret code to get some respect as a person around here?"
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@mobcat40
@mobcat40 11 лет назад
If he could see how much he is loved today I know it would bring a little tear to his eye, celebrate Alan Turing day June 23!
@theebookkeeper
@theebookkeeper 3 года назад
its 2 days from today. I will remember it
@lazyperfectionist1
@lazyperfectionist1 12 лет назад
In 1991, a British organization (I don’t remember the name) uncovered his designs, realized that all the necessary technology now existed, and built it, and it functioned exactly as he predicted. If the funding had continued, humanity could have had computers a century sooner; computers very different from the electronic models we think of now, but computers just the same.
@asifmetal666
@asifmetal666 8 лет назад
when i first read the book i was crying like crazy. he is the one who saved 14 million people, saves a whole country n now Govt did this to him.
@Altazmuth
@Altazmuth 7 лет назад
Book name please?
@chernobylcoleslaw6698
@chernobylcoleslaw6698 6 лет назад
Who knew that one uber smart nerd talking about another uber smart nerd would be one of the most moving things on RU-vid?
@leoutloud
@leoutloud 9 лет назад
worst part is. it not so long ago! he is a war hero but still no one excepted that he was gay! and its not so many years he was excepted as gay and a hero! the world is so unfair!
@charphoto1
@charphoto1 12 лет назад
Amazing Video! Thank you Jaron Lanier for reminding the computer community (everyone on here!) of the context and truly profound insight into the "mind" of Mr. Turing (R.I.P.).
@lazyperfectionist1
@lazyperfectionist1 12 лет назад
"Moderation is inevitable." I don't see how you figure this. "Humanity is like water in a lot of ways, and one key factor of water is that; when it washes against objects it cannot move, it instead erodes the object." I don't see how being like water in a LOT of ways makes humanity like water in THIS way.
@jasonmacki3232
@jasonmacki3232 4 года назад
This video says that Turing's ideas about AI and the Turing Test were conceived weeks before Turing's suicide in 1954, while under the influence of mind distorting injections. In fact, the Turing Test paper was published in 1950, four years before his death, and two years before Turing's arrest, conviction and forced hormone injections in 1952. I think it's perfectly fair to disagree with Turing's arguments, but unfair to slander him as incompentent based on untrue facts. I also think Lanier misrepresents Turing's arguments, but that's debatable. When Turing wrote the paper is not. This video also makes several other untrue claims, but this is the main argument of the video.
@indiebandit1
@indiebandit1 12 лет назад
Many of the most brilliant thinkers and pioneers in science and elsewhere had what we commonly consider(ed) to be psychological or cognitive 'disorders'- e.g. Einstein, Ludwig Wittgenstein, Isaac Newton, Beethoven, Thomas Edison, ect.
@scottfuller5194
@scottfuller5194 5 лет назад
Alan Turing was in the process of putting together another of his calculation machines, using potassium cyanide in the electroplating process. It is completely possible that the fumes of the cyanide was what accidently killed him. There was never any form of forensic test performed on the apple he had been munching on, nor was a full and proper autopsy performed on him, and noting his high level of intellect and his propensity for being an "absent-minded professor", it is most likely his cause of death was the accidental inhalation of cyanide fumes, NOT a suicide....! Rest in peace Alan......!
@Enginecology
@Enginecology 12 лет назад
Saw this guy live at a TEDx Portland event. Brilliant
@lazyperfectionist1
@lazyperfectionist1 12 лет назад
Well, I don't have the right background to understand all the technical details, but Babbage was a 19th century mathematician. He drew up plans for a computing machine that ran on steam instead of electricity. Unfortunately, his plans to build it were seriously hindered by the fact that all the necessary technology had to be invented as he went along. Eventually, his sponsors ran out of patience and cut him off.
@trollbutterfly
@trollbutterfly 12 лет назад
Tragic. We must keep fighting for equality, we cannot back down. For Turing and so many victims like him... fight for respect and acceptance.
@Martial-Mat
@Martial-Mat 12 лет назад
You make an interesting point. The quality of his mind and his arguments are not affected by his appearance, but if the messenger causes people to dislike the message, is it his fault or theirs? Should he recognise the need for a certain amount of conformity, or should we overcome our prejudices? If he was an artist or a musician, his look would make him MORE credible. Maybe we are just too limited in our thinking?
@anon8109
@anon8109 12 лет назад
Turing never wrote anything about treating machines like people.
@PhilWithCoffee
@PhilWithCoffee 12 лет назад
I guess you won't be a fan of the episode where they talk about the importance of freezer-windows, so you can keep an eye on your PBR so it won't explode.
@irhombus
@irhombus 12 лет назад
What was shocking to me as I watched this video was how little I knew about Alan Turing. Time to fix that, I think.
@pineapplepizza27
@pineapplepizza27 12 лет назад
I wouldn't say that he was murdered... I mean, they didnt force Turing to kill himself, not to undermine the fact that they did terrible things to him, but they didn't murder him.
@khaustic
@khaustic 12 лет назад
He wasn't claiming literal "murder," he's using murder to describe the series of events leading up to Turing's suicide, including his imprisonment, loss of security clearance, and forced medication (which caused impotence and gynecomastia, as mentioned in the video.)
@TheBeautyofTrance
@TheBeautyofTrance 12 лет назад
the death of turing is such a shame. He died at only 41 years old. Imagine if he would have lived to, say, 70. Imagine the things he would have accomplished, and he would have gotten to see his invention grow incredibly
@StuartG001
@StuartG001 12 лет назад
RIP A.Turing You deserved so much better than that which we gave you :(
@KnightOnlineAshet
@KnightOnlineAshet 12 лет назад
Alan Turing was one of the greatest people. Its a shame the Official secret acts stopped people talking about all the great things he did in the war. Also I've liked everything Jason Lanier says on Big Think.
@Soldier4USA2005
@Soldier4USA2005 12 лет назад
But the problem with that logic, is WHY he committed suicide. Turing probably wouldn't have committed suicide, if he was considered a regular person within society and treated as such. He may have killed himself, but the catalyst was the hatred for his sexuality and what was done to him to change it.
@HallsteinI
@HallsteinI 12 лет назад
Well actually you didn't really do much besides end the war sooner. American boys got slaughtered at the beaches of Normandy so others could live, but the soviet forces outnumbered the axis forces by over 5 million when they marched toward Berlin.
@Martial-Mat
@Martial-Mat 12 лет назад
When the prime minister says that Britain is a christian country, and it's still avcceptable to start government meetings and the school day with prayers, I don't think we're that much more progressive. Yes, gays will hopefully soon be married, but the church still has a voice in British politics, and our head of state is also head of the church!
@Martial-Mat
@Martial-Mat 12 лет назад
Very true. And the church of England is kicking and screaming and fighting against the legalisation of gay marriage in the UK now. This is the side that they are allied with. It's an embarrassment to all Britons.
@allidock11
@allidock11 12 лет назад
Such a keen analysis...best bigthink video I've seen yet.
@ScabeiathraxUK
@ScabeiathraxUK 12 лет назад
I said "As soon as they no longer offer their people what they want, it starts the countdown to their replacement." Do you think the time the Nazis spent in power, and the time they would have been in power if they had won are at all related? They were in power for a mere decade, which is why the "waves of humanity" statement would not have had time to apply to them. If they had won, they would have been in power for longer, and during peace time. The people would have forced them to moderate.
@PhilWithCoffee
@PhilWithCoffee 12 лет назад
That, and if you're that prejudice, just scroll down and read the comments while listening, then you're not distracted by appearance. You'll still get the message, grow to appreciate what the person has to offer, and learn to accept the fact that even though his hair resembles that of someone from the planet Psychlo, he's a smart guy. This is definitely a better video than the last one he did on BigThink with social-network marketing.
@TheTennesseeGeek
@TheTennesseeGeek 11 лет назад
It's not. When Stephen Fry asked Steve Jobs if it, the Apple logo, is a homage to Turing, Jobs said "God, we wish it were." So to answer your question, the Apple logo is not a homage to Alan Turing, officially.
@ScabeiathraxUK
@ScabeiathraxUK 12 лет назад
Moderation is inevitable. Humanity is like water in a lot of ways, and one key factor of water is that; when it washes against objects it cannot move, it instead erodes the object. If the Nazis had won the war, but did not moderate, they would have been replaced or destroyed. It's that simple. No matter how advanced or ruthless a government might be, they're still just pebbles to be washed away by the tide whether they agree with the direction of the tide or not.
@custos00
@custos00 12 лет назад
I can't think of the last time that I read such a profound comment on RU-vid - thank you, you are among the few!
@wotan237
@wotan237 12 лет назад
Germany lost the war for dozens of reasons- delaying the attack on Russia for two weeks, not having enough blankets or boots for the winter campaign, being outnumbered 4-1, and bad military decisions by Hitler. etc Germany retained enough scientific talent for the fight, , thank you.
@austenslost
@austenslost 10 лет назад
i like how this story is on the same channel with absolute bullshit. "how to cut your food addiction" "why facebook isnt free" "welcome to the hybrid age" "unconscious decision making" it really shows how much resilience Henry has to this type of pseudo intellectual bullshit.
@Susano19
@Susano19 12 лет назад
I love this guy, more please.
@ScabeiathraxUK
@ScabeiathraxUK 12 лет назад
It wasn't just their army that was rigid, but also, and more importantly, their policies. For the purpose of that particular statement, I am referring to their rigidity as being one of the main factors in their downfall. You're free to disagree if you like, but I'm really not interested in a history debate. Because as much as you might want to argue the finer points, my main point still stands; and that is, no unchanging rule ever lasts.
@AdeelKhan1
@AdeelKhan1 12 лет назад
How we treated Turing. What a tragedy
@cdub71121
@cdub71121 12 лет назад
I agreed up until the point when he said that Turing was murdered for being gay. If I remember correctly, you just said it was suicide.
@lazyperfectionist1
@lazyperfectionist1 12 лет назад
Every soldier in the field is fighting for a new and better world. Just ask him. This belief is absolutely sincere. Doesn't make the notion true.
@Martial-Mat
@Martial-Mat 12 лет назад
Now THAT is Big Think material - genuinely thought provoking, profound, insightful. Great vid. It disgusts me to think that the British government did that to one of its greatest heros, and it disturbs me especially as we are rapidly plumetting towards the big brother state of Britain, with constant survellance, and the people's rights being crushed for the convenience of impersonal overreaching governments in UK, Europe and the USA.
@GianfrancoFronzi
@GianfrancoFronzi 12 лет назад
MAY HE NOW BE IN PEACE.
@johnanthony5393
@johnanthony5393 5 лет назад
Wasn't it Tommy Flowers who designed and built Colossus?
@ilikethisnamebetter
@ilikethisnamebetter 4 года назад
Yes
@juliomarco8592
@juliomarco8592 11 лет назад
Sexual persecution of gay men does make use of religious argumentation, but that has deeper and older roots. In a patriarchal society, the idea of being a man is strongly connected to important moral values such as honesty, courage, assertiveness, etc. If "being a man" means being in possession of all those attributes, not wanting to be a man while one is biologically so carries a strong meaning of weakness and treason. That is the true origin of the anti-gay argument.
@lazyperfectionist1
@lazyperfectionist1 12 лет назад
Now you are asking me to believe that the public in both countries would have become disenchanted with fascism without that cause? It's nonsense.
@richman360
@richman360 12 лет назад
What an awful thing to happen to an individual.
@leeo268
@leeo268 12 лет назад
Tragic But more tragic this is still happening today.
@alexandertao1
@alexandertao1 12 лет назад
Another howler that Turing ‘killed himself in front of his computer’ he died in his bedroom in 1954, desktop computers did not exist in 1954 and he certainly did not have one in his bedroom.
@samuelphillippi
@samuelphillippi 12 лет назад
I'd rather see an apology than a pardon. A pardon sort of says it's still a problem, but were going to pretend it didn't happen.
@ScabeiathraxUK
@ScabeiathraxUK 12 лет назад
When I speak of flexing with the waves of humanity, I'm talking about being flexible with policies, fitting them to the ebbs and swells of the passions of the nation. The Nazis only got the power they did because they offered the people what they wanted. As soon as they no longer offer their people what they want, it starts the countdown to their replacement. Moderation is the best way to please the masses for prolonged periods, because it is always the neutral stance.
@MarkArandjus
@MarkArandjus 12 лет назад
Yeah and most of the places you plug things into them are in the back.
@Swidhelm
@Swidhelm 12 лет назад
It's more common than you think. Also, it's all over the animal kingdom as well. Being that it's as prevalent as it is, I wouldn't call it an abnormality.
@artblack01
@artblack01 12 лет назад
So if someone doesn't BEG for their life they aren't worthy of life?
@ulyantoniou4137
@ulyantoniou4137 11 лет назад
I have visited station X twice and it is an amazing place. Alan Turin was betrayed twice , first by the authorities over his homosexuality whilst reporting a crime done to him. Secondly by Churchill demanding that the computer be destroyed after the war.Enthusiasts rebuilt it years later.
@quinndiesel1977
@quinndiesel1977 12 лет назад
And Al Bundy once scored 4 touchdowns in one game. Never stopped sitting on his couch, cock in hand, reminding us of that fateful day.
@lazyperfectionist1
@lazyperfectionist1 12 лет назад
How could atrocities that preceded a war have been part of it?
@Martial-Mat
@Martial-Mat 12 лет назад
Whether they go or not, it concerns me greatly that the church's wishes are considered in ritish political decisions. If nobody goes to that church, it's even more scandalous that thet get a say.
@GalaxyShift
@GalaxyShift 12 лет назад
Jaron's bigthink vids aren't bad. More please.
12 лет назад
If they don't define who you are then cut them.
@amijack421
@amijack421 5 лет назад
Great man , I wished he had invented the cure of bigotry which clearly delays the progress of humanity,
@orgyhepburn2761
@orgyhepburn2761 4 года назад
Yes I wish he would have discovered how to get rid of the people who run the globe.....the biggest bigots in the world
@custos00
@custos00 12 лет назад
I wish we had that in the UK - People can be and are sent to prison, if a judge finds it to be 'abusive'. I studied AI for one year at Uni and didn't read anything that came close to argue that if a robot fights for it's life then it is worthy of that life. Either I was reading the wrong material, or you need to start writing some! :0)
@JoshuaWillis89
@JoshuaWillis89 12 лет назад
A little off topic here: I don't understand the logic behind his "treatment." Wouldn't it be more likely to "change" his orientation if he was given large doses of MALE hormones not FEMALE hormones? He is already attracted to men, how is turning him into a woman supposed to make him be attracted to women?
@lazyperfectionist1
@lazyperfectionist1 12 лет назад
What statement about a countdown? What countdown? “The Nazis were not in power for anywhere near long enough for the forces that I am talking about to come into play.” Huh. So then everything you are saying has nothing whatsoever to do with Wotan’s claim that the Nazi party would have gone on to moderate if they had won the war?
@ScabeiathraxUK
@ScabeiathraxUK 12 лет назад
The statement about the countdown wasn't aimed at the Nazis. The Nazis were not in power for anywhere near long enough for the forces that I am talking about to come into play. But your statement about them manipulating the German people is simply not true. Anti-semitism had been building in Germany for hundreds of years, since Martin Luther. Hitler's anti-semitism resonated with the feelings that had been growing for centuries. After the Nazis got into power was when the manipulation started.
@lazyperfectionist1
@lazyperfectionist1 12 лет назад
I’m not hearing any ideas here being attributed to Turing that were not formulated far earlier by Charles Babbage.
@CephaloG0D
@CephaloG0D 12 лет назад
I think the captain from "Cool hand Luke" said it best: "What we've got here is failure to communicate Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you men" TL;DR: Don't feed the trolls.
@wotan237
@wotan237 12 лет назад
I think the regime would almost have had to moderate, since for one thing, the war would have been over, and the atrocities were part of the errors or fog of war, etc. The universe goes in cycles
@EclecticSceptic
@EclecticSceptic 12 лет назад
As in, can't a guy just kill 200,000 people in a transit camp without being hectored?
@rrpostalagain
@rrpostalagain 11 лет назад
I was never aware there was such a conspiracy built around this subject. If nothing else, Mr "Angry you don't take me as an authority" has shown me just how invested some are into a particular narrative.
@Martial-Mat
@Martial-Mat 12 лет назад
Well articulated. I agree completely.
@TheGizmoproc
@TheGizmoproc 12 лет назад
This guy is like, you know, smarter than anyone I know personally...
@aMisc0
@aMisc0 11 лет назад
He laced the apple with cyanide because he was very fond of the story of snow white
@plasticwrapcharlie
@plasticwrapcharlie 4 года назад
An absolute legend whose nation turned on him because the regime couldn't have a prominent hero who contradicted the official
@robhp1
@robhp1 12 лет назад
Human stupidity killed a brilliant human being
@terbernt
@terbernt 12 лет назад
Poor Alan Turing. God rest.
@lazyperfectionist1
@lazyperfectionist1 12 лет назад
What does "flexing with the waves of humanity" have to do with "moderating?" What is "flexing with the waves of humanity," anyway?
@Martial-Mat
@Martial-Mat 12 лет назад
I very much hope so. I have hope that mankind is evolving emotionally and intellectually, and eventually the entire planet will reach a state of enlightenment, but looking at US politics right now, I fear that we simply cycle endlessly between extreme tolerance and extreme bigotry.
@jc1838
@jc1838 12 лет назад
Lol, you probably would be typing but Turing was a great Computer Scientist.
@inabluemoon1
@inabluemoon1 12 лет назад
In the original Greek unicorns are rhinoceros . Old and New Testament . You probaly also confuse old Testament Shariah with Our Lords Sacrifice . Their is greater understanding in knowing HIS peace . It is freely given . A hardend heart refuses it . It does't hurt to listen to HIS kindness . It is peace .
@terbernt
@terbernt 12 лет назад
You know what. I suspected that this was mostly fake. This bigthink stuff is really going down the drain.
@wotan237
@wotan237 12 лет назад
Few people over here are home-schooled, I never was. Ive tangoed with the best of them and beat them all- Alan Heath, Tim Wise, John Merryman, et al...
@wotan237
@wotan237 12 лет назад
U misunderstand. The treaty of Versailles was to a certain extent a Jewish construct, and during the 20's Jewish financiers were able to exploit Germany, esp. in the territories that were ceded by Germany where there were German minorities. Jewish oppression against Germany is not a "conspiracy theory". Hitler and Feder eventually wrested control of the money away from private concerns and subordinated the print presses to the state- the Jewish usury impulse was negated in the Reich,...
@rocklobster1976
@rocklobster1976 7 лет назад
i FOUGHT someone's suggestion to me that there was a conspiracy behind his death. but one day, daydreaming about how to Challange a turing test passing ai, by forcing neurotransmitter spiking behavior reactions, and judging if it could meet expectations (like, blade runner i guess)...... i stopped.... and envisioned a computer that physically could do that. immediately, i realized if you look at turing, seeing him mimicing snow white by eating a poisoned apple ... stop and try to find another snow white character in his life. the dwarves? no. prince charming? no. the evil queen? the witch? a bird? nope........ BUT..... think about THE MIRROR. ask it a question, ( and like google) it gives you an answer. an all knowing, immediately responsive, tool, that only responds as needed on command... and, it has " a human character " it displays, instead of the asker. Thats pretty much, a perfect AI system, resembling a person and almost indistinguishable by a turing test. plus, technically glass, even in mirrors are considered liquid. so, an ai endowed liquid computer = mirror now where can we find "a mirror" in his life? go to the cyanide first .... where did that come from? his job. a lab. would a coworker kill him? not sure. so find a reason. look back in his life. immediately you see, the last thing he did was publish a paper on.... "morphogenesis" the self formation of non organic molecules. why? to create a non organic /artificial life.. an AI? from just a blob of chemicals. moving, flowing. like in water. (like collections of the neurotransmitters i mentioned earlier) so...... now could we put someone along side turing, like a secretly involved competitor (like the witch,) would it also ask..... Ai ai on the wall who is the cleverest of them all And what if, it said TURING? i think a secret operative competitor plant would grab some cyanide and attempt to kill "mr snow white" since he liked her so much (and hey , he ain't got no balls anyhow) morophogenenis was just proven to be able to build a self building liquid ai computer. in theory And ibm just finished their synapse project with self regulating neuron like networks inside, and uses liquids to do so. wasnt ibm feeding nazis adding machines. could ibm, take all of turings info, shelf the ai, but focus on his more basic steps into computers? hmmmmmm. makes one think
@JimBCameron
@JimBCameron 12 лет назад
People should remember Turing of course, I just wish people also remembered Tommy Flowers in the history of computing. Never heard of him? That's what Google's for. :)
@connoroleary591
@connoroleary591 5 лет назад
Nice, well chosen words on a tragic British hero. I have read the comments, some are dancing naked upon the La La land of absurdity, but that is fine, we are all entitled to opinions. Calling such people "turds" and making up histories to suit our own narratives is equally stupid. We can't change the past, but we can live our lives so that our courage, compassion and intelligence can dull the blades of ignorance and make suffering a little less likely.
@solidsnakeliquidgas
@solidsnakeliquidgas 12 лет назад
I like this guy. Add him to the list of big thinkers that actually make us think.
@archerrobinhood
@archerrobinhood 12 лет назад
There is a rumour that the Apple logo is of a bitten apple as an homage to Turing....
@ThisPageStaysREAL
@ThisPageStaysREAL 12 лет назад
It's possible that after treatment you would enter a program that simulates a nightclub patronized by women in short skirts. Women who were recently lesbians and have also just finished being reprogrammed.
@ndril
@ndril 12 лет назад
So Lanier wants to discredit the brain-computer metaphor. Not in a position to gainsay the genius of Turing, he instead argues that Turing must not have meant what he said.
@alexandertao1
@alexandertao1 12 лет назад
Rubbish to suggest that the Turing test was formulated by Turing while being tortured for his homosexuality and the crap he tries to construct from that. Turing formulated his test in 1950, he was not convicted for homosexuality until 1952, so the torture did not start until well after his famous test. Turing was a remarkable human being Lanier is using Turing's genius to peddle his own half assed theory which simply does not add up. No respect for you Lanier!
@YY4Me133
@YY4Me133 12 лет назад
Does this mean you won't read a book if it doesn't have a pretty cover?
@ScabeiathraxUK
@ScabeiathraxUK 12 лет назад
I'm glad to meet another who understands :) And I never realised how similar to Taoism my philosophy is, until just now, when I did some reading thanks to your hint. Thank you.
@karadan100
@karadan100 12 лет назад
At least the British government lets same-sex partners have the same rights as hetero married couples. They'll soon be legally married too. In this regard, the UK is way more progressive than the states. It's a much more secular country too. There's no religious persecution, ie, christians running amok. The UK certainly doesn't have a crazy church dictating it's every decision. Ranking 32 on the global peace index as opposed to 108 for the US. Not perfect, but substantially more peaceful.
@SkywalkerG1o
@SkywalkerG1o 12 лет назад
More Michio Kaku and Tyson videos pleasee!!!!!!! Thumbs up so bigthink can see it
@MeNotyouxD
@MeNotyouxD 12 лет назад
There's a reason it has a motherboard, It's a Woman! And you treat them right and with respect. (Does not include bitches)
@Akoalawithshades
@Akoalawithshades 12 лет назад
America is more of a big brother state with the patriot act, most CCTV cameras in UK are run by private companies and the police can just ask of the videos to investigate crimes.
@leethunter123
@leethunter123 12 лет назад
i paused the video at 0:11 to google alan tuning, your face was halrious
@ScabeiathraxUK
@ScabeiathraxUK 12 лет назад
They only manipulated the people as much as any political party does, like I said. That means they told half-truths and pretended to agree with the complaints of the general populace. My contesting statement was aimed at your mention that the Nazis made the people want what they wanted, and that just isn't true. That's not how politics works. Anti-semitism was ubiquitous in Germany, especially during the depression, so an anti-semitical political party was exactly what the masses wanted.
@niekvdbogert
@niekvdbogert 12 лет назад
finally a BigThink that indeed lights a new bulb in my head. Thank your.
@Martial-Mat
@Martial-Mat 12 лет назад
A funny hat? Dude did you see this guy's haircut?! But seriously, I agree with you 100% This was powerful stuff.
@wotan237
@wotan237 12 лет назад
The Romans fell for a variety of reasons, not a "rigid" army.
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