Finally got my health issues under control and I'm ready to drop consistent weekly videos. I thought this idea could apply to every spy, assassin or action franchise but the Bourne movies were the only ones that matched up this perfectly.
There’s a term I can’t remember for when someone steals an idea without realizing it. Like you see the lion king as a child and it kinda lives in the back of your subconscious, and then when you’re 30 you write a story about anthropomorphic animals beating each other without the actual intent of ripping off the story. I think that’s what this is.
I see it more as imitating or copying successful things, like all those movies made shortly after Batman '89 that copy the exact same scene of the villain falling to his death.
You do knw that the Bourne movies were based on a book that came out in 1980 along with a first adaptation coming out later on in 1988. If anything "Total Recall" was a rip off to the Bounre franchise.
If it is a memory, it is not a choose your own adventure story. A memory is something he is looking back at. All the choices have already been made. He could not join the bad guys in his memory.
1) Why does he have these abilities? The Treadstone techniques attempt to destroy or modify the person's identity and /or personality and overlay it with a more useful one, using techniques like waterboarding and sleep deprivation. After the personality is a "blank slate", they build the asset back up with intensive training. It is also implied that Bourne/Webb was a 'proof of concept', and so they were very careful and thorough with him. His recruitment was also (at least in the book) a kind of 'perfect storm', he is constantly referred to as either one of their best assets, or the best asset they have. In that way, he is exactly like John Wick. 2) Why would they hunt him down? Because the aforementioned conditioning and training makes him *extremely* disciplined, controllable, and predictable for his handlers, the idea that he is doing things "off the plan" and not checking in is enough for them to push the panic button ("Assistant: Why did he leave the gun?!? Is it some sort of message? Conklin: I DON'T KNOW.") At one point one of them basically says they have lost control of a multi-million -dollar weapon. As to why this happened, his near-death experience in the sea was probably a reverse-waterboarding; it wiped the slate clean again. And when you starting finding out about yourself in the third person, and find out you killed people for a living, it throws you for a loop. Soyes, there is a reason he's like that. And, yes, there is a reason they want him taken out.
We know Bourne's past is forreal because a government investigation into his past reveals all of it to be true. His past as a member of Delta Force would explain his skill level even if his Treadstone training wasn't shown. Nicky, his ex-girlfriend, also confirms his past to be true, and by the time of the fourth movie, we no longer have any reason to believe any of Bourne's memories are false, as even flashbacks of his father's murder are truthful.
@@draco_1876 tf do you mean, no? Damned troll. Its all in the movies. Maker of the video just wants to stick to just the first movie because he whole theory falls apart quick if you just watch the other 2 movies that fallow the Bourne identity.
@@palehorse24681 well if it is an implanted memory it doesn't matter what we see happening in the other movies, because it would just be further explained as a continuation of the implanted memory. Nothing you see is outside of bournes mind, as it would all be a bought and paid for fantasy, and would only end when bourne wakes up, and realizes he isn't Jason Bourne but some joe schmo who paid for a dream of a different life as a vacation. He even explains it as the sequels possibly being that the real person could've gone back and paid for more fantasy memories from the Total Recall Corporation. That is all part of the question with Arnold as well, in that the movie asks if anything going on is real or part of a fantasy inside his head while he has gone into a colma, with the fantasy still playing out. So say someone chooses mars and chooses secret agent mode, then it would be like Arnold's "trip", while maybe someone chooses European/Middle East sight seeing tour with secret fantasy mode, then their "trip" might look like Jason Bourne but none of it happens outside of their head as it's just implanted false memories
They explain those two points in the series. They try to kill him because 1. He failed 2. He hasn’t made contact in two weeks so they think he turned 3. The African guy Bourne is tasked to kill goes to the press about an assassination attempt 4. They think he possibly turned. As far as Jason Bourne being the best is addressed in Ultimatum and the Jeremy Renner one. His genetics best adapted to the training program and so he became the base model for the next evolution of the program.
Also, we see parts of his personnel file. He is a Captain in Special Forces prior to Treadstone. So he technically could have been Delta Force , but he definitely had the time to get good and then be chemically enhanced to be better than humanly possible.
so instead of going to Mars, Bourne just chose to go back to the past to experience the 2000s. However, he still chose the secret agent DLC. Ahhh, It all makes so much sense
What's the first thing I think of when I hear "Jason Bourne?" Freaking SHAKEY-CAM! During every fight: SHAKE SHAKE!!! During every car-chase scene: SHAKE SHAKE! ME: "What the FAAACK is happening? I can't see shizeh!"
I don't understand how you still only have 75k subscribers. One of these days the algorithm is going to bless you and you'll blow up man. Hopefully you start putting out content more regularly like you said you wanted to and your channel will get the attention it deserves.
Manchurian Candidate was the first film to explore this theme, but what you need to realize is that it is not fiction. Robert Ludlum was former CIA. He got the idea for the Bourne books from his work with the agency. Bourne is an assassin personality that can be "called up" on command if you know the right code words.
Jason Bourne is more like the operatives(The Minute Men) in 100Bullets.. The Minute Men were put to “sleep”, where they’d need a code word to be awakened. A very amazing comic book I hope gets adapted to a movie, or a series with good backing & director behind it.
Bro you either spying on me or RU-vid is lol because this whole week I was watching all Bourne movies and as I type this I’m currently watching the 2015 Bourne movie right now. Glad to see you back though bro.
It won't be a CYOA book format, because the memories are put in there. They're a line of memories from start to end, the recipient has no choice in the way the memories do or have played out. Some great ideas here, and unique if I'm not mistaken.
Recall is the difference. Quaid went to recall and that's when the stuff hit the fan. Bourne's amnesia is trauma induced; first by the ethical dilemma of shooting a kid, then by getting shot and nearly drowning. He begins to recover his memories, not because of some memory vacation, but the harder way through more trauma. Yes, there are similarities between the two plots, mostly because the Bourne Identity is the kind of spy thriller story that Recall was selling to its clients. That's it. Most importantly, the Bourne Identity is based off a series of spy thriller books with no twist involved. But nice try. I agree with you on Fight Club, but this theory's all wet.
Finished the video. Yeah, the story beats are quite similar. Perhaps Total Recall writers read the Bourne Identity book and were influenced by it. And the reason they didn't get sued was because they added the Phillip Dick elements. The original short story was mostly about implanted memories, not amnesia. Total Recall went through 16 revisions before it finally got finished. The writers were fans of Robert Ludlum and based the spy story off of Bourne. It's about adaptation. That's all. Bourne is closer to the book and Total Recall is loosely based on We Can Remember It for You Wholesale.
The Bourne Identity Book, is nothing like the movie, apart from his name and waking up in the sea. The same can go for the original Total Recall. But as Zach Burt mentioned on his comments, it is a case of ''Hollywood being creatively bankrupt''.
Total Recall is quite different from the story but it has a large amount of superficial similarities, unlike the remake which has basically no similarities at all.
I honestly think if this had been titled "Douglas Quaid would Destroy jason boourne in a fight" or "Conan destroys Bourne and Aliens and Saves Mars from the Umbrella Corp"
They're both books written by very popular authors One writer writes about espionage in most of his books. The other author writes books about how the world may not be real. In conclusion both authors write about the perception of what's real and what's not and what to believe in what not to believe.
I think that he isn’t known because he’s in secret program and he is such a threat that if he’s on your side he could any time switch teams and turn against you
The similarities are interesting, but I think there's an in-universe reason why Treadstone wants to put down Jason Bourne. It's been a while since I watched it, so bear with me. I assume Treadstone thinks he's dead after he fails to kill his target and doesn't return. When he does turn up again, they would assume he's gone rogue since he didn't kill the target. I suppose they would be right on that. They don't know about his amnesia, so they would think he might compromise the entire Treadstone program. So, Jason is a loose end they need to tie up.
Being a big fan of Philip K. Dick I'd accept your ''theory'' in a second. If you could convince my wife to do the same I'd say you are a miracle worker. Great video and good luck!
people on the industry creates movies ideias from the silliest things. maybe the responsible for this was high and was like "im just going to make total recal without the simulation part" and there you go
Pretty sure they went over this in the first and second movie where they did say it was the first, meaning he'd been doing the job longer than the other ones. Experience counts for a lot...just saying.
So he's not even really performing pencak silat. Like, he sees himself performing pencak silat but the rest of the world sees just some dude sporting a dad bod flailing his arms around wildly like Chris Farley trying to signal a jumbo jet in for a landing?
I like the idea. But, they have the spin-off The Bourne Legacy with Jeremy Renner. He's a different operative from an advanced program stemming from Bourne's OG program. Unless it's and updated (2.0) memory implant where you are even more advanced, semi-connected with the Bourne character and your named Aaron Cross.
Wait... Total recall is implanted memories of Mars, does that mean that Mark Watney is really the implanted Mars memories in Bourne's head? Is the Martian just an implanted false memory Bourne gets after he gets captured by Trentstone?
Jason Bourne Is Just a Guy Created by the Matrix to be played as an Entertainment, I mean his character was changed entirely from Matt Damon to Jeremy Rener then rebooted again to matt damon.
Interesting take on the Bourne movie The Bourne Identity. I’ll be as brief as I can because I saw both the movies on release and I’ve read the early Bourne books. Your chronology is all wrong I’m afraid. Robert Ludlum wrote The Bourne Identity and it was released in 1980, Total Recall was released in 1990 and that movie is extremely loosely based on the book by Philip k. Dick in terms of similarities there’s none, I checked (you or anyone can search the web to verify yourselves). Therefore the only conclusion you could possibly give and one I wouldn’t agree with is that Total Recall 1990 movie actually more closely copies The Bourne Identity movie of 2002. In fact it was the book by John Le Carré’s The Spy Who Came in from the Cold that the 1980 book and movie The Bourne Identity was based on. This btw isn’t meant to be one of those ‘actually I think you’ll find’ comments just verifiable facts. Good video though.
I enjoy your videos and, you make some great points here. One nitpick though. You claim that Bourne is "better" than everyone sent to kill him. This could be argued to be true, since he wins each encounter. However, the margin of victory is slim, when facing other Treadstone operatives.
Borne is a young Arnold who becomes addicted to the spy program. (Lazy Hollywood)😂 Or getting us ready for more mind fuckery. Looking forward to more insites
If anything "Total Recall" was the rip-off, The book about Jason Bourne that the film series was based on came out back in 1980, and the first adaptation for the book came out in '88, long before "Total Recall."
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Maybe it's just good movie making choices. Remember, Cohagen WASN'T trying to kill Quaid... that was ALL Richter. Unlike Bourne, who was indeed targeted by the director. Anyway... many successful movies follow the hero's journey and overlap will occur. Maybe you are right and that Bourne took cues from Total Recall... I'd call it doing what makes a good movie. 😃
or both movies are similar because of lazy unoriginal writers or subtle homage writing ... either way your theory videos are very entertaining, ... like a pimp says to his hoes "keep em coming"
Jason Bourne movies are based on the character Jason Bourne made by Tom Clancy he also came up with Jack Ryan but you are right the movie does seem a hell of a lot like Total Recall the books are a lot different from the movies though
"He's just a normal agent"? Do normal agents speak 5 or more languages fluently? "Know how far they can run flat out at this altitude"* ? Are expert fighters and drivers? Not that I believe in agents like this exist in real life, except as exceptional examples. By comparison, the para-military training of a CIA case officer is, at best, perfunctory. Treadstone agents are significantly better at what they do than regular field agents. So, this sets Bourne apart from most everyone. So, and rightfully so, you make the argument that he can't be better than all of the other Treadstone agents. To which I would say, "You're right. All competitors get gold medals. We are all equal in our abilities". That aside, I think you're ignoring the obvious here: Jason Bourne has the least stupid haircut. By comparison, the other Treadstone agents have slightly greater self esteem issues. The guy who rappelled down Bourne's apartment building and crashed into his living room? Dumbest haircut of all of the agents. He eventually committed suicide out of shame, as a consequence. Great channel, I'm a subscriber. But I feel like in this video, you neglected the most import factors involved in being an exceptional super-spy: grooming, fashion sense, and politeness. * Tom Cruise has demonstrated the importance of being able to run full out on demand.
What part is conjecture? I noticed the similarities with the plot and combined the stories. Of course, this isn't true and they have nothing to do with each other, but it's fun to create a narrative based on how similar they are.
@@whatisantilogic138 creating a narrative IS conjecture lol. I was expecting to be blown away like the fight club one, but the second you correlated the wife with the knife and the guy in the Bourne one w the knife, it all fell apart
Lol he really works at Best Buy. He just goes around beating the shit out of random people. But yo if you think these are related in any way then you're losing your mind.
