that is crazy ngl but Chogath gameplay is still good and he doesnt look too bad so i guess they will wait till he actually looks really ugly (aka when the other champs get remodeled)
Honestly I feel like the auto-attack animation is jank. The fact he recoils after every auto just really messes with my intuition. I don't really feel like Jax needed new animations or icons, just a model update.
Jaw always felt "above" everything. His sparring mates, the void, every toplaner... I feel like its his character : Sassy, overthe top, and never serious. Thats how he survived the void and letting it hit him emotioally would be admiting defeat. He's above it and thats why he'll win
I thought this too. Him being cocky jokester isn't a bad thing because it fits his character. I understand if people want to see him being more aggressive towards void or the accended, but it wouldn't fit him as a character who has alwasy been this cocky/confident in the first place. (considering there is that underlining unspoken "fuck you" in those lines already if you think about the lines and the way they're said and to who)
As a Jaxmain i have to disagree. This is not how I imagine a character whose homeland was destroyed. a character who is going to save the rest of the world from the same fate. a character who fights abominations much stronger than him. Now jokes are fine, he should be kind of cocky considering his skills. But i never imagined Jax with trollface under his mask 24/7. Maybe its just my silly view idk.
He's been around for thousands of years, if he HADN'T developed a "devil may care" attitude he would have given in to despair a long time ago. Everyone needs a way of coping with tragedy, his way is making it into a joke and letting nothing touch him.
I enjoy dad joke vibes Jax voice line a lot, but I can also understand wanting something akin to the JP voice over. Maybe it’s a language thing, I’m sure Jax eng Va could pull something like that off if he was asked to do so
Not a language thing. Generally JP's va culture seems to be far ahead of the game. Likely a massive thanks to anime. Like our best and most enthusiastic VA's in many works happen to be some of the best drama actors ever. So they're more akin to emotional SOUND. Like Robin Williams, or Tom Hanks for example. Almost every animated film they've been in their expression has been top notch. They happen to take the more mature themes more seriously in Japan is my guess. Same way our video game culture is lacking in most games except shooters. Cuz culturally we're not that into them. It makes me wonder if English companies should just find bilingual Japanese VA's who can perfect the accents and then have them act.
@@RiptidexRiltreksThe video game culture is in older games. Shooters are only a newer fad. Warcraft 3, Diablo 2, Star Wars: The Old Republic, Dragon Age, Monkey Island, Chrono Trigger, Age of Empires, League of Legends, and more were all giants in their time. In recent memory we have: Baldur's Gate 3, Star Wars Jedi Survivor, Armored Core 6, Slay the Spire, Fall Guys, Phasmophobia, Humankind, The Outlast Trials, Plate Up!, Potionomics, Darkest Dungeon, Hearts of Iron 4, Path of Exile, Stardew Valley, and more as giants in their respective genres. More of these games are AA rather than AAA, but were nonetheless influential non-shooters. Shooters dominating gameplay is just because most AAA games are shooters nowadays. The first-person perspective is typically more grounded and intense and they're easier to code with lots of resources built up over time. Even then, games like Baldur's Gate 3 (the first true AAA arpg since Dragon Age Inquisition) has been one of the best games this year. On the other side, Japan makes almost exclusively JRPGs, Dating Sims, and Action-RPGs. Their variety is just as lacking as ours. This is all because most of the western developers with experience have been making their own studios and are working on AA games. Give it time and we should see some more variety. After all, we just came away from the "Age of RTS" and seem to be moving towards roguelites.
@@kidkamando I was more implying our more pro firearm culture allowing people to adapt to a characature of law enforcement or military better. Like if you have an idea of how to sound you can do it better vs not having an idea. But yeah, you bring up a good point.
@@RiptidexRiltreks Fair, but Japan's gun community is ravenous for more (although it's all airsoft). Besides that, Japan does have a lot of guns in media (Armored Core, Gundam, GGO, etc), but because of their escapism it's less realistic and more fantastic. I think it's more that we in the west are currently attracted to more modern day or near-future stuff, while Japan wants to escape to another reality (isekai) due to their crushing work life.
I can see it as a man with a mission who was somewhat broken over time. Doesn't allow himself to feel too much because then he'd feel everything and it would be overwhelming as he's seen so much sorrow and it would jeopardize the mission. So, as a defense mechanism he keeps things jokey and/or simple to not risk overwhelming himself with his eons of emotional trauma. Or at least, that's my head cannon.
@@2pa42_ersennicholaas Wherever it is you are, whatever you are doing, stay strong! Good luck out there, and I hope ya see better days soon. There's a light at the end of the tunnel. Don't stop believing.
I hope the other sides of jax get shown in more story-centric parts of the universe in the future. If they go in on something to what you wrote then its gonna be a quite bit better.
I feel there could be a reason for why his voice lines are the way they are. Jax has been around for thousands of years. I imagine he’s fought so many battles against so many monsters that nothing fazes him anymore. It’s not that he doesn’t care, it’s just that he’s……not impressed?
Yessss! Like give me an update (even if its just an ASU) for every old champion over the 200 years bs they pull on new ones (although some reworks were problematic, maybe just do some minor tweaks like with evelynn, warwick, fiddle, etc)
it would be nice to see the energy. I agree with Necrit here. Apart from the few lines, like the original ones, it just sounds like a commercial superhero telling kids not to do drugs. Something along the lines of Draven, but less full of himself, but the energy the Draven's va puts into his lines.
its probably jax's elderly tone that you're getting at with these voicelines but to me I think they are emotional enough and yeah adding it more would be better.
I wish Jax had an interaction with Kayn, about both of them having mastered ever weapon, like jax mocking or questioning if he can all himself mastered at any of them. Also if they didn’t bring the “surprise! I’m back!” Voice line, I’m going to be mad
Yeah, i get what you mean by showing other sides of him, and I miss that too. Its one of the things i miss the most with recent champions and ASUs: they seemed to forget that these champions are multifaceted. Things like Volibear sadness after losing Ornn, Yone surprised with Fiddlesticks and horrified of the prospect of an Azakana evolving, Kayle/Morgana pleading for each other... they used to show sides from these characters that really added depht to their main conflicts. They really couldve shown Jax revolted with the Ascended, or blaming himself whe confronting a Voidborn. Im brazilian and the voice acting in Portuguese has WAY more emotion and variation on the deliveries, but it still lacks that depht in the writting.
Side note on the ascended I think it could be cool to show the reverse as well. Like the ascended are prepared to fight a brutal enemy of long ago, only for jax to voice that he has a greater enemy then them. He’s angered and tells them to get out of his way, but knows they aren’t a true threat in comparison of what’s coming
Volibear is full of emotion, anger, fury, cold and stoic but also sad when he strikes down Ornn and trying desperately to justify it but obviously has a hard time doing it, they were brothers. And when he speaks visions of his supposed bones in the snow or that people don't worship him anymore and has forgotten him.
@novaseer he still does the sound of jax to this day on streams and videos of you meet him. Sounds perfect. Riot probably just didn't want to rehire him.
I got the same feeling from the interactions, they felt a bit too marvel type humor. But then again I started maining pantheon because of how real his quotes feel, so I kinda expected to see some quotes where we can see jax feeling nostalgic about icathia or some anger somewhere
@@noaburr I don't mind it too much since Jax's most iconic line is so marvel like anyways (Imagine if I had a real weapon!), them leaning on it is a reasonable conclusion
Jax’s VL of “imagine if I had a real weapon” is iconic and I feel they really tried to make his entire personality about that line. On the flip coin, I’ve always seen jax as a fierce warrior but, the doesn’t take things serious bc of that specific VL
I can't believe que STILL don't have the option to choose witch voice pack we want to use, that was the only thing that I was exited for in the pre-season announcement
Yeah, now they are trying to block us from changing it. I have to go back to the files every time i open league to change the language of the whole thing.
I think his Voicelines are almost perfect for a Guy whos traveling for a thousand years. Yes some of them i can understand lack a tiny bit of enthusiasm but it is self explanatory if you listen to the lines where he says that he „felt lost but never defeated“ or his old Icathian allies would say he „lost his way“. He simply isn‘t in Icathia anymore and he knows that it‘s gone. Also he never found ANYONE worthy who could fight the Void with him or would for that part. It isn‘t the Jax you know from The Fall of Icathia. It‘s your Veteran Gramps with ptsd who doesn‘t let anything affect him anymore and may even ask himself if he truly knows where and what his Goal is after all this time. He is the Lost Warrior without a Home cursed to fight for eternity for something that does not Exist.
Jax is probably the heroic archetype to a Tee, he probably doesn't take things too serious to cope, similar to Spider-Man. This is and seriousness are usually the path taken to cope with extreme loss. He also sounds like a battle maniac who enjoys the revelry of combat.
I definitely agree with your thoughts on the voice lines. When I first heard them I had similar thoughts. For the vast majority of his voice lines, the delivery is almost identical. There is very little variation in emotion, and he pretty much never takes things seriously. The writing itself also lacks any sort of depth, nothing that would show how his life has affected him. Like you pointed out, I would expect something more serious when facing an Ascended - if not disgust or hatred for them attacking his home, then it would work equally well (better, even) to demonstrate a solemn sense of "that's in the past, I have a new enemy now, and for the sake of the world I cannot afford to hold a grudge", or even "I don't like you, but we have a shared enemy". His voicelines just make him feel really one dimensional, which he isn't... or at least shouldn't be.
I think Jax is supposed to be interpreted as a super-hero of sorts. He talks with a deep, reassuring voice, that, combined with his skill mounting high enough to fight ascended as a mortal, is supposed to inspire others to join him in his crusade against the void. Kind of like your laid back uncle who finally decided to start trying against you in checkers.
Regarding the voice lines: I really like how they are delivered. It gives Jax a personality similar to Satoru Gojo. He is barely ever serious because he doesn't have to. And he LOVES fighting.
well yeah but did you hear how Gojo talks when he was getting trapped by Kenjaku? yes, full of hatred... against the one who posses his friend now one have to imagine Jax HATRED against the void, the thing that destroyed his homeland, his family, his friends, and more. Sure he can forgive the darkins, the ascended or even Azir. But the void? nah he should be way more serious
Thats not a bad comparison however you do get moments when Satoru is serious and those lines are delivered in a way to be chilling and showing of his intentions to annihilate the enemy or his hatered towards them. This happens sometimes after delivering a light hearted line, towards the end of it he curves it and goes into a more serious tone to emphasize the level of fuck around and find out his opponent will receive. Jax doesn't have this, it's as if he's doing a 24/7 stand up session with uncle humour to his enemies who destroyed his hometown and presumably most of who he cared about.
I think the reason Jax sounds like this is that he's more of a meat head rather than someone that dwells on emotion too much. Listen to the jokes parts and even the drinking with Gragas quote and you can tell that outside of combat his mental emotions are more focused on that even when factoring his homeland got destroyed. I also think that it's the little things in life that excite him the most and combat is just, well, another day for him. Even if he's up against an Ascended or even Fiora or anyone at this point (kinda like Saitama's emotions for most things).
i like the jax voicelines because i feel like maybe some of his battle tactics probably include getting in the enemy’s head (kinda like AFO in mha or gojo kinda). he keeps the bravado while beating you relentlessly or perfectly dodging every attack (jax e) and berating you during the fight. its not that he has no emotions, he’s just trying to hide them from the enemy because as a master of fighting he probably knows the battle is won in the mind.
I like to imagine the many eyes represent enlightenment Jax opened his third eye through mastery of his craft, then again, then again, and again, so on, because he’s just THAT good.
with all these old champs getting updates, this gives me hope that maybe next we get some lore for cho'gath and shaco since they have pretty old and crusty models and new skins somewhat trying to help with it
With all the voice lines, I just took it as Jax being an apathetic old man who's tired all the time and has a lot on his shoulders. I think his emotions are meant to be more diluted and subtle than overt and obvious to play into him being an old, war hardened, well travelled man.
Jax could of had more expressions, but I think the Jax they are expressing is a Jax that has seen it all, and he’s not impressed. He has infinite chill because he’s just lived that long. If anything, they could of explored other sides of him, with more voice lines.
The japanese are notorious for having theatrical level of enthusiasm when it comes to voice acting, i feel like in the west we only get either the bare minimum or "just isn't there yet", but oh well, at least Jax got his identity refreshed for the new decade
Hell, even silence makes a sound in Japanese. Take a shot every time a "..." response sounds like they almost accidentally dropped their baby, you'll be sloshed in record time.
This is what the game needs, I literally played jax the first time and am considering learning him JUST because the way he looks and sounds now is so unique and cool.
Nice to see Jax getting this update. I wonder when is Shaco going to get one, is like that thing that everyone knows that is necessary but is probably so much work that no one wants to do it. Hopefully before 2030 every 2009 champ will be visually updated
@@GentlyUsedFrog All of the OG champions from 2009 need some kind of rework. That one or another needs it more it's all subjective to which champion you like more.
8:52 Well maybe if Jax have longer voice lines they would be able to convey his struggles, worries, and vulnerabilities. Instead, Riot has to fit all of Jax's personality in 9 mins which is basically impossible. This is why cutting down the budget for the VO in League was a mistake. Aatrox wouldn't have been nearly as interesting if all he had to work with was 9 mins of dialogue. Aatrox has a full 28 mins of dialogue which conveys his rage, fears, anguish, and sorrow. If Aatrox was made today, he would only be just another angry shouty champion League. He would be extremely one dimensional and that's the problem I have with the new champions and why I no longer connect with them as much as I did back then. They're all so one-note and uninteresting because they can all just be described in a single sentence.
Hit the nail in the head. If Aatrox didnt reveal ALL of those emotions, maybe we wouldnt have gotten the Darkin the way they were in LoR, where we have the brutal ones, but we have ones tha5 are downright SCARED and desperate by the scarring the void did to them. Character voicelines are WAY more important then people think, Riot really messed up cutting them for arbitrary reasons
Im sorry, but you can build an amaizing caracter in 2 minutes. Just watch the Team fortress 2 animations met the team. They are a masterclass at building caracter.
When I first started playing league, I switched around master yi and jax aaaall the time! I’m kinda curious, what characters did y’all confuse for each other when you just started playing?
I mean, let's be real, the Japanese are goated at voice-acting, so there's no beating that. Still, I get your point and I agree that more life in his voice-lines would be better.
I like his voice lines, it conveys the understanding he has seen it all. He is very old and the bad stuff that happened to his kingdom happened a long time ago. He, unlike most very long-lived entities in lol, did not have a period in which he was inactive. He like what 3000 years old or something at this point.
Kinda surprised you didnt mention the voice lines where he mentions trying to find a worthy warrior to carry the light but hasnt come across one yet. Amazing VGU
I do agree the delivery is night and day between those re-recorded old jokes compared to the new material. Being restrained as a voice actor isn't bad but it does seem like a weird direction to go without stronger emotion in other lines
Totally agree with you about Jax's new voice lines. He used to be this heroic, hopeful guy that stood out. Now he's just like every other champ who acts like a jerk. Kinda disappointing, to be honest.
I think Jax not being emotional in his voice line is just fine, because that's how it shows how Gigachad he is. If he goes emotional, that would be him going out of character because we see him as this happy-go-lucky type of guy who drinks with Gragas. Also he is just doing what he do best, trolling. The line him saying "Imagine if I had a real weapon", that's him toying with his opponent delivering emotional damage, if he gets emotional in front of his adversary, that would be the end of his character. That's why it seems like meh to him when he says something, that's how you can tell that nothing on Runeterra can come up to him as equal. Oh an Ascendant? Who cares? I beat one of them in a duel type of guy.
@@felipecouto1102 You mean he is not Gigachad? Also, this is Riot who did the voice line, if they really want to go the short story route Jax, they would do it. But they didn't, right?
@@juliusjohndiego1833 He's not someome who doesnt care. They DID the short story route with Jax - they just didnt this time, which is much more about the general state of Voice Acting in League then with Jax. You see that lack of depht in the voicelines on all recent releases
@@felipecouto1102 But people can care even if their delivery doesn't matchup, you should know this, aren't you a human being? We have friends that nonchalantly sounds like they didn't care but in the bottom of their hearts, they do. I think that Jax having these kinds of voice line just fits him because he is not a human being, he is a troll. Yeah they do the Short story route, but not on this one, did they? I mean this is the one we are having arguments about right? So if you see that the route is changed, why bother having an argument about the short story? If it isn't here then It's pointless to bring it up.
@@juliusjohndiego1833 Judging by how people are talking about it not only on this video but in other social medias, id say people do care. And yeah, we dont care when friends are nonchalant with us... because friends are not characters who have only 10 minutes of dialogue. If something HORRIBLE happens with your friend, like he loses all his loved ones, and he sounds like he doesnt care - that has a name: a psycopath. And it doesnt make much sense to say that its because Jax is a troll, because we have a multitude of species in League, and ALL of them, INCLUDING other trolls, still show their feelings. And I bring up precisely because its a critic. Thats how critics work.
i felt the exact same way and i felt bad for being a little disappointed because we got all those things you mentioned right in lor! Jax has even less lines than lol and it already has SO much more emotion and excitement in the lines, and the comment on him not being serious enough i dont fully agree with bc they have a couple line in lor where he's straight up confronted with his past and he responds in his jokey way but its believeable with the voice performance and because it tells us jax doesnt like to confront his past like that, he just wants to move forward (more accurately go fist forward)
Out of the 4 concepts the one where we can see his mouth,the one with the hood,breaking lamp and the the other 2 I think the clothes this one with the hood where the best and closer to old Jax although his lore version didn’t have it,it also looked really good with the bandages and the gold ornaments,armour and clothing
I definitely see what your saying; he feels very one tone and a lot if the characters lately have shown multiple emotions. Given that I have to imagine that may have been part of the voice directing where they wanted him to seem more sassy and confident. I do wish we got to see some of his depth in maybe long move voicelines, where he is by himself and can let down his guard a bit
