This is a "team" effort, and unless the dogs were in the general area, the scent would not have been detected. The thanks should still go to those that provided all the resources, dogs included.
Dunno where you've heard that unless you're just making it up, a mountain rescue team found him, no dog was present. How many times i gotta say this "DOGS are not mountain goats" they had to rappel down a rock face to get to his body, he was found by "chance" nothing more. Again, NO dog involved
Well...thats not exactly true is it, its humans that train these dogs, without training they probably wouldnt be arsed to use their nose and it also depends on wanderlust and I am pretty sure you cant ask an untrained strange dog to "Go find Jay Slater with your nose"
Why are people normalising jay walking through the mountains to the sea? also the wrong way? why not stay on road flag down bus or car also find somewhere for a drink?
I'm confused.. If they received an anonymous tip off for where the body was, supposedly, how did someone manage to find his body or know where it was? Especially when it seems like where he was found, is extremely inaccessible by foot and took a whole professional search team with Machetes etc, that long? I just don't get any of it.
It was a couple hiking and I don't believe it was anonymous. They just didn't want their names shared with press - who can blame them. And he fell from a ridge onto the ravine floor.
It was a couple hiking and I don't believe it was anonymous. They just didn't want their names shared with press - who can blame them. And he fell from a ridge onto the ravine floor.
Observations.... Phone turns off maybe now decides to take a short cut via the beach/coast route. Or goes offroad to avoid someone finding him, fleeing away from people he feels threatened by. Its 8am in the morning, its warm, and sunny, visibility is 100%... He takes a short cut, how does he not see a big drop into a ravine. The answers simple, he was chased and got cornered, his phone was taken from him, certain videos, photos deleted, then pushed over the edge. Even if you was dehydrated and needed a drink you wouldn't accidentally fall into a ravine. Accident 5% Foul play 95%
Why did they start at the Airbnb instead of going to where his phone pinged last and starting the search there. I think his body was being stored somewhere and was only dumped there the day before the Spanish police got they're tip off to say where to look as i don't buy that he walked of a cliff especially when they had already searched the area that he was found at
The Mirador le Cruz de Hilda Viewpoint where Jay's phone last pinged is full of cars and sight seers. The routes off the main road attract hiker's. That is a well populated area for tourists and the restaurant opens at 10am. I heard it was in fact a hiker who found jay on Saturday and the Guardia Civil found him Saturday night Sunday early hours. They decided to leave him till after the match Monday but in the early hours Monday morning there was much mountain activity. I don't understand how Jay could have been lost at 8.15am shortly after he had seen Ofelia the landlady twice after 8am not can I understand how he could have been on gravel at 8.30am especially after he then told Lucy in a 2bd call at 08.50 he wasn't going back as he had walked half an hour already. So then he set off at 8.20am. So how could his friends report him being lost at 8.15am and 8.30am when he hasn't set off or had just started. He needs to walk at least 2miles before he goes off road which is 40 minutes walking time. Further how could he phone to say he had fallen in a Dutch and cut his leg only to get out of the ditch at 8.50am and then discard his phone several more miles away before walking on to fall into a ravine. The villa has removed the CCTV on the outside and replaced it with another porch light. So the timelines given by Lucy and Brad are inaccurate. Given the fact Lucy called the police at 9.14am when he wasn't lost at that stage seemed a bit premature and this has led to speculation that Jay was already dead as we can't see him in the last photo and the feet are too small and the fingers too short. It could be the case that he left circa 8.15/8.20am but he certainly wasn't lost then. Did Lucy and Brad give his location ping to the Air BnB guys. Did they give chase via Ofelia who passed him 1.5km out of town as she says going home then going to the shops in Buenavista. Did she pick him up as she knew her tenants well and was there an issue over a watch. She told reporter's Jay was walking to Buenavista. How could she know that and there are more villages prior so where was he heading. The 5.30am cafe stop is unusual given nothing is open at that time. Could anything have happened to Jay there. The first media interview of Lucy she sounds terrified. Ayub reported that a friend had told him Jay was stuck in the Ditch with a cut leg. Around 9am. Who told him. What happened to make Lucy make a preemptive call to police at 9.14 when jay wasn't missing then. She last heard at 08.50 but couldn't arrive till 11am to search. Why not call paramedics if you fear someone's safety. People believe that the mountains are a stage scene. That Jay died elsewhere because the timelines don't add up. Or the behaviour of the friends. The lack of jay's face in the last photo but most importantly the fact that no one throws their phone away with a flat battery shortly after saying they were stuck in a Ditch with a cut leg. There are off road mountain tracks. Very easy to take a body on a moped during the night. The Spanish are known for driving along mountain trails on mopeds. You don't say how many miles away the body was. Two and a half hours walk would take 15 to 20 mins on a scooter. Timelines and witness testimony don't add up.
@@stephenwilliams9950thank you!! And this gentlemen's take on the dog activity etc is completely off even per the families statement on GFM!! Unless he is acutely aware of what he's doing simply for content comments and views.. like what we're doing of a corrective nature!!
It would not be very easy to take a dead body on a moped. In fact it would be virtually impossible. The dead, uncontrollable weight of a - what, 5 foot 10 adult male on a moped ? Imagine it, really. It's all but impossible.
@@stephenwilliams9950 If you heard Lucy's first media interview describing her version of events, you would consider that Jay by the time she called police at 09.14 was already dead. So we need to work backwards from 09.14am. 09.00am Ayub is called by a friend saying Jay is in a ditch with a leg cut by Cacti. 08.50 Jays phone last pings and he tells Lucy he is in a ditch and worried the cactus might be poisonous. Jay tells Lucy he can't go back as he doesn't know where he is and says he will walk back to Los Christianos. Lucy might have told him to get over the mountains by the Gorge to Masca cove where there is a little jetty where boats can land. 8.35am Ofelia sees Jay walking very fast in the direction of 'Buenavista'. She passed him in her car. Her account conflicts in that earlier she said she passed him on her way home. Where was home. Then she said she passed him on her way to shop in Buenavista. Yet she runs the store in Masca and the cafe above the villa. The restaurant next to villa never saw Jay. Did she see Jay or Brad. 8.30 Jay calls Brad or Brad face times Jay who hears him slipping on gravelly rocks so Brad knows he is not on main road. Jay says someone else is calling. We are not told who. 8.20am Jay sets off to walk home as he said to Lucy at 8.50 I've been walking 30 minutes already. 8.15am Jay phones Lucy to say he is lost in the middle of nowhere even though his mate is with him with the two UK guys and he hasn't actually set out yet. 8.00am Jay walks into Masca village south of villa to buy fags and ask Ofelia bus times twice. She shows him 10digits then crosses her fingers to say hopefully bus will arrive then. Ofelia after speaking to him twice then sees him walking past her house that she shares with her ex mayor brother. So at this stage Ofelia has returned from her store to the villa cafe. 7.30am alleged photo of Jay on front porch with small fingers and feet. Blanket is one from his hotel room. We are told he didn't go back to hotel. How did hotel blanket get to Masca. I believe Jay Brad and Lucy all went up to Masca. Ayub slips up in interview saying Jay went into his mates' room to get charger and Rocky was in the car sleeping. Now denies watch story but told police earlier he kicked jay out for trying to steal something. He is assumed to be alive at 5am. 6.30am Group arrive at villa. UK guys wanna sleep. Ayub gives Jay one camel cigarette which he doesn't appear to smoke till 7.30. 6.30am or 7am neighbours buzz on a non distant buzzer to get them to move their car. Yet rocky is asleep in the car so no need to knock or buzz a non existent buzzer. There seemed to be a commotion around that time. 5.30am. Group stop at cafe near Masca. Was it a cafe or was it elsewhere for a little chat. 5.00am UK guys and jay and others leave rave for villa. Circa 5am altercation outside club. 3am Jay is alleged to have phoned Lucy crying saying he's lost his bag. 1am Lucy and Brad claim to have left rave early to go back to o hotel or her flat. So we have to fill in what really to happened between 5am and 8.50am. The story has so many holes Jay could be alive on another island living off GFM money. Mum never sear he'd and won't see body. Do we know fir sure it's him. Or could Jay have become dehydrated in the car having too much ecstasy and mdma and simply died. That's why they had to stop at a cafe en route for a drink. Who stops at a cafe after a rave when the UK guys just wanted to sleep. Why was a hotel blanket brought up to a villa. Here is another scenario. Jay is feeling unwell. 1am Lucy Brad Brandon and Jay leave to take Jay to his hotel. Jay died of overdose. UK guys come wrap Jay in blanket. All decide to stage mountain scene. Copycat michael Mosely tale. Or Jay isn't dead. This is all fake.
@@Flowersofromance6-fs4pb No it's not. Go to India or Morocco. They have the world and it's wife on their bikes. I've seen a man with his wife at the front holding a small child and baby and his mother and son behind holding a large alsatian. None wearing helmets. This was in Morocco. The old street peddlers also have carts attached to sell their veg.
Is it only me that finds it odd that the Dutch dog found the site straight away even after the body and the earth beneath it had been removed. Yet the Spanish dogs couldn’t find him
@@courtneysquill8843 I thought the hiker found him on the Friday? Paul Arnott (downtherapids) filmed masca from where he was staying, around 2am saturday morning, as he was woken up by dogs barking and goats bleating which he thought was odd and wondered what was going on?
@@lorraineterry884 He really might not have died there. No one else witnessed him walking up that long road for over half an hour. That's a long time at that hour. He was placed there.
Well this doesn’t add up as he was found in the ravine about 20 mins from masca not 3 hours so did he walk and stay alive after the fall after they say he definitely dies instantly
Thank you for this update! Once again, so good to hear a South African accent! I am glad you did this video because the conspiracy theories do not help anyone. The way you have explained it makes perfect sense and fits in with whatever evidence has been obtained. It is also easy when one has the "exuberance of youth" to believe that we are capable of doing anything! Jay obviously felt he had only one option and that was to head for the sea... the most likely place where people would be. But as you say, he had no idea how far away it was nor how treacherous the route was. He took a chance. Very sad for family and friends, but to me it feels like reality. I personally find it a far more plausible reality to accept than the wild possibilities others have come up with. Keep up the good work!
Come on do you see the fallacy in the idea a 19 Yr old up all not much sleep. No logical human being would make that decision willingly knowing its 11 hours no phone battery or clue where to go when he could of hung around for the next bus. He was running for life in his mind death was certain staying. An altercation obviously occurred after that picture of him seemingly comfortable on the doorstep with duvet round him. It doesn't take John Grisham to see the insanity of the original proposition
I agree. Also timeline. He couldnt be lost at 8.15 as he just spoke to Ofelia twice. At 8.50 he told her he had been walking half an hour. That takes us back to 8.20. 8.50 phone ping. 9.00am Ayub said friend called him to say he was stuck in a ditch with a cut leg. 9.14am Lucy calls police not paramedics. What happened between being stuck in a Dutch to a further 2 to 3 hours ending up in a ravine with a dumped phone in between. I agree he was chased. I look at timelines. We don't see his face at 7.30am. Lucy was scared to call police at 9.14am then doesn't arrive till 11 in mountains. Why didn't she get up there immediately when he called at 8.15.
@courtneysquill8843 I agree I don't believe any of those accounts of "phonecalls" his friends made to him etc they could very well be cover stories his phone needs to be investigated immediately and to find out the truth to his actual state of mind and demeanor in those apparent calls. I think that's the key to breaking this case. Fk the Spanish police already proved themselves useless beyond. Hiding things delaying things not releasing key information. Lancashire Police should get over there immediately fk their jurisdiction theyve failed already multiple times
This whole case stinks, nothing makes sense, I’ve been there (in that state) up for multiple days taking party drugs and the last thing you would do is go on a walk like that in that sort of terrain, you would just want to chill and find the easiest way back home or to somewhere comfortable, he either went there out of fear or was taken there.
Agree. I have been there and I don't think anybody in any state would take that route unless you were hiking. It makes zero sense. It's not that hard to find your bearings on that island
As someone below has concisely pointed out: Nothing ties up. What is the cogent evidence which leads one to believe that JS was in that ABNB and/or anywhere near that road, walking up into rugged terrain? Where is the evidence? No CCTV, no witnesses or passing car drivers who saw him walking? The statements from his friends which are entirely contradictory are unreliable and a statement from the owner of the ABNB who is not independent as she owns the gaff. Yet we are meant to attach weight to those statements? why? The only facts you have are these: a 19 year old man is found dead at the bottom of a ravine with broken bones.
This case to me still seems so bizar jay decided to walk down their and end up dead and they had all the dogs people drones helicopters nobody finds him after couple weeks find remains 🤔🤦♂️
@alia9087 why would somebody decide to walk down their risking it when he could easy take the road and be safe as he didn't know where it lead u only go off reading when u don't want to be seen or getting chased ok sometimes if u know the shortcut you will take it bur if you in another country u just don't risk it it's common sense and jay didn't look like a lad who was stupid otherwise he wouldn't of got into a building trade or whatever his jon was somebody who is thick couldn't do that job fishy case
@andersondasilva1334 the payed off police he was running from that one I could kind of believe as u newer know who's side they are on day to day the highest bidders at the time 😂😂😂
Thank you for this report, because so many are criticizing "why did it take 29 days". These criticisms are coming from people that think that terrain is easy to maneuver around. Jay was found, where many never are. A huge thank you to this team effort, and now Jay can go home.
It is incredibly sad but I think it was quick - from the info given so far, multi-trauma from a fall would indicate head/brain trains and even in a state of decomposition they can usually tell if a body stayed where it fell and there are specific trauma responses that should show up at autopsy had he survived even a short time (caveats, obviously. He won't have been in a good state by the time they found his body but terrain like that can preserve, so...) He may not even have been conscious. When you hit the wall after a night of hard partuing, it's quick. Your legs just go out from under you, BP crashes, if you sit down you can't get up again. Its almost like the worst of being drunk and hungover at the same time, and that's without altitude, exposure, direct sun etc. etc. He might simply have fainted and that's that. I hope so. I know its no odds now, but in time the thought that is was quick will hopefully be a comfort to the family. Nobody wants to think of their child injured and alone, but slipping from unconscious to death is at least the better alternative. Sad.
Fortunately, all indications are that he didn´t suffer. He was practically unaware of it. We have to wait for the autopsy report but he may even have lost consciousness before he fell.
@@UserofRU-vid-f1i Thank you, that was kind. I wish the conspiracists would put a sock in it, cos everything is covered by natural events without requiring complications. We do dumb things when we're kids, unfortunately some pay the worst price and sadly, I think this is just a cascading series of events that he likely didn't even recognise as threats, especially when compromised. Its a dreadful situation for his family but not knowing would be a torture forever. Just a sad thing all round.
Re. 'Foul play theory' - you assume it happened at the time of his disappearance. For the evidence noted (no witnesses, no dog tracking - & from locals, no crows) I'm sure it didn't, but rather not long before his body was found.
@christineburns2801 yes. I've changed my mind a zillion times.sonce a month ago on there wheres and whens for sure! Stabbed at the beach, Moved to boat.
@christineburns2801 yes, I've changed my mind a zillion times since more than a month ago for sure. Stabbed at beach, possibly taken to AirBnB via car/boat, hidden, moved onto a boat. Possibly body brought back, quite possibly another's in his place. Poor Jay. He was a happy soul.
@@lorraineterry884 Exactly...The site is very dangerous and only mountaineers (not hikers) are allowed to go down there... in fact neither the parents nor his brother have gone to see the place where their son died, because it is a very dangerous and treacherous terrain. It has all been very sad and a great tragedy and Jay never deserved that end... but it was only an accident.
@garbancitolentejas486 that's bollox cos you can get there from the beach access also hike down via a different path go look plenty of videos on RU-vid
Where in Australia are you from? You sound South African. You have been very commited to pursuade us in absence of a fowl play, even though you haven't been there. And I strongly doubt Jay had a chance of getting out alive if he rejected the big boys. By the way there was a CCTV footage of this very same road with a man getting into the car. At the time people speculated it had been Jay. What if it was someone who pushed him... The phone wasn't that close to a cliff, otherwise they'd find Jay immediately. Was there a fight? With a body month old, it's surprising they can determine exact time of death. But even so, people like those men he was with, do not leave witnesses that refuted them, that might hurt them in the future. Look at the facts, so many leaked messages, audio and CCTV footage. Aibs instagram post with the photo of Jay " +1" subheader was meant to be seen by a client? They hired a flat for a few hours on the night in the fake name to do what??? They weren't at the festival, he was heavy on drugs with someone's help, how did they meet? But you create these narratives " he persisted", " in his final moments he did that" - how would you know?, I still can't get over the fact you suggested that anyone not thinking like you do, is schitzofrenic... 😂 Someone must pay you well to trumpet your trumpet. The "paranoid mind made him jump" theory is another funny one. He had the reason to be running! So why is no one investigating that?
I’m not sure he was that interested in any bit of attention to be honest implicated or not after all why would he, perfect example of a comment with no thought put in
@@syryder3236 Really? Then why didn't he stay away from the media? Instead he set up a question & answer sessions on his TikTok, so that he could answer questions from the public . He seemed to be loving it as far as I could see.
@@gaysy1st explain to me how setting up questions on a platform is looking for attention again.? Which was from “private member’s “ i might add or at the very least what he was suggesting he’d do before moving on any further
Thank you!! Nothing he is saying is even coincidentally correct to even the families own statement..that Jay's body was found before they even got there and the family asked them to stay on anyway to go to the ravien to find the exact spot for their own closure!!
You wouldn't. I have been there and if you were lost, you would stay on the road because it would eventually bring you where you want to be. Its a relavitvly small island
In the last few hours a new video has appeared, featuring Rocky and Ayub Qassim, answering questions concerning the case. They do not strike me as killers. They seem friendly and personable. They make no attempt to hide their previous convictions. They clearly operate outside the law, with their various dealings. You can see why an impressionable teenager would gravitate towards the pair. Jay would have been quickly beguiled by these two cool streetwise dudes. Especially as Jay is from a small and rather dull northern town. While these two are smart stylish Londoners, moving around the most glamorous spots in Europe.
@@ashleywilson2072 agreed! ayub especially comes across as a character from only fools n horses - a bit dodgy but at heart decent. Yes, his history tells us he's a bad 'un but if i was a rehabilitationist i wud feel i have something to work with.
He was pushed off or chased and fell how did sum one know exactly where to show the people to go when they tipped off the five owe ( coppers police feds pigs )
Thanks for your common sense approach to all the cases you analyze. I’m constantly amazed at how the majority see non sense at every turn. Have followed you right from the start on the McCanns too and like Pat Brown Peter Hyatt etc you speak of the evidence not the non sense. Keep on being you those with thinking working brains support your channel.
I think he done well walking for over 2 hours dehydrated in the heat after days of partying and no sleep such a shame it ended the way it did. I was definitely thinking foul play to begin with and I still believe there are some things that don’t add up and people are not telling the truth as to why he ended up in that position to begin with but I cannot see it being physically possible for his body to be dumped there. He has obviously just collapsed and fell very sad. Thanks for your videos and knowledge
Correct. What those pushing the murder narrative keep forgetting is that for somebody to have dumped him off that cliff they'd have had to have dragged his body up that terrain - which is impossible. If they pushed him, they'd have had to have lured him up their or pursued him up their - either way, trekking there themselves and then escaping down the same way. Either way, these murders have some serious hiking/climbing capabilities and have no fear for their own safety.
So after pushing Jay off the cliff, the killers may have trekked down the treacherous ravine, got to the sea via the tunnels, then escaped by a waiting speedboat? These guys must be serious Bond-style operators, who took enormous risks to execute a seemingly low-level street kid ...
No young man of that age would be stupid enough to take that route, even if legs are tired he’d stop and rest, his not crossing a desert 🤦🏽♂️, will have to accept this story but everyone knows that’s not what happened!
I heard on one channel one story about a man, who put fireworks on his head, and died almost instantly. Content creator said, there is a big difference betweeen being dumb and being stupid. Word dumb means you don't know about the danger, when you are doing things up, stupid when you know that it can be dangerous. So that man was drunk and stupid, before this all his family members were trying to stop him from putting firecrackers on his head, but he resisted and decided to go into actions. Jay didn't know about the full danger, so we can call him dumb, but not stupid, if he was local and knew well about the terrain, then we can call him stupid and weirdest teenager.
I'm inclined to believe, if he truly fell between 11a-12p as speculated, he was suffering from not only malnutrition and dehydration, he was suffering from heat exhaustion. He more than likely could have suffered a heat stroke and THEN fell as a result of the heat stroke. Weren't the dogs "rested" at this point of the day during the search, between 11a-12p? The autopsy will probably focus on and reveal all the injuries from the fall because truthfully it probably would be difficult to survive a fall of this magnitude, in the best of health. I believe they should ALSO focus on injuries associated prolonged exposure to high temperatures and whether those injuries would have also been significant enough to cause death. 🤷🏽♀️ From listening to all the contributory factors up to the point of the fall, 1. His current state of health... partying for 3 days prior 2. Lack of adequate sleep 3. No sustenance or water in his system 4. Anxiety elevated - phone about to die and he's lost with no way to tell anyone where he is 5. He's injured and possibly losing blood? 6. Extreme heat... I can only imagine, this kid was hallucinating, wandering aimlessly... the fact that he was able to wander as long as he did under these conditions, speaks to his diligence and drive to survive. Godspeed to his family for strength, viable and valid details, acceptance, healing and peace. 🙏🏽
It wasn't that hot but it would be fierce under direct sun. And everything would have been exacerbated - he looked to be speeding his nut off. Most Ecstasy taken at clubs these days is cheap speed and you can see the tell-tale signs like jaw clenching. I agree with all you said but this is a vital part of it - you follow wherever the party next is or whoever is offering a decent chillout (and one of them runs the puffcaff) and getting home is tomorrow's problem. He'd likely have started walking because you're full of this frenetic energy the next morning and especially if it's a lug back, you want to get it over before the whizz fully wears off and you hit the wall. And when you do finally hit it, not only does every molecule of energy drain from you immediately but you're often woozy - similar to a hangover, I suppose. Terrain, altitude, exposure...all of it means he was probably not perceiving reality sufficiently well to even recognise what a hostile, alien landscape it was. He could easily have sat for a rest and toppled over the edge or even passed out then went over. I'm so glad it was quick though and that they found him. I know its no comfort to his family at the moment but it will be, rather than the agony of wondering if your child faded slowly, injured and alone. Its just very sad. And now all the armchair detectives who wouldn't know a volcanic rock if it smacked them in the face are convinced some shady cabal tipped him over. People be mental...
@@randomhumanoidblob4506 Thanks for this. I have no concept of the 'rave' lifestyle especially not the 2024 ed. So this gives great context and sets up an even more feasible notion for the backdrop of this situation. People be mental because of all the sleazy unimaginable stories you have access to via the internet/dark web etc. However, facts are facts, timelines are valuable and critical thinking is mandatory so THAT you don't find yourself going over the edge... I like your perspective, I too imagined him taking a 'break' and things unravelling from that point... I also agree "hot" or not (which is relative) 🙄, direct sunlight under those circumstances is going to be uncomfortable to say the least. I also imagined him removing his clothing and carrying them up and through the fall... due to the heat, spwculated hallucinating, etc. Kind of like reverse hypothermia. Ultimately, you're right, it's sad and no kid should have to lose their life for wanting to party... he was in the prime time of his life where if that's what he wanted to do... THAT was the time to do it... once young life is lost like this, all judgement goes out the window for me. No kid deserves to die for wanting to party. If your country, city, etc., is known for being 'party central', the 'vacation hotspot' and it is one of the funding sources for your economy... there need to be better measures in place to keep people safe and secured. Bottom line.
Tenerife is not like Greece. The temperature only reaches the late twenties but not in the mountains. It is much cooler and mistier and there are drizzles or were on that day. At 8am on 15.06.24 the temperature was only 18 degrees. But you can suffer from heat exhaustion with excessive drug use and over activity. If he did do that walk and wasso high he went off track exertion alone could have caused dizziness and loss of balance. However there is no way he could have got lost so quickly in the mountains at 8.15am when he had only just spoken to Ofelia at 8am twice about buses after he went south into Masca to buy cigarettes. There is also no way he would Ditch his phone after losing battery having called at 8.50 to say he was stuck in a Ditch. Who helped him out the Ditch with a cut leg. How did he walk for a further 2.5 to 3.5 hours with a cut leg.
Not accepting the fact that the first dog team with the police could not do what these dogs had done two weeks later ,all speculation .nothing is final from all that has been said
Just been looking after my daughter's dog and I had bought her car from her 5 months ago. That dog knew it was her car and its just an untrained mutt. Any trained dog would be spot on if he really walked and left a trail
Jay fell here? Eh maybe if was drunk out of his mind he stumbled over that edge. Look how flat the edge is, the dog just standing there peering over but a human being just stumbled and fell over, no trip hazard just a blatent drop..WHY? for the hundredth time in this case WHY would he just walk off that ledge Doesn't mean he was walking for 2.5 hours they are trying to say how inaccessible the fall site is that they took 2.5 hours to reach it after the dog identified the target area, could have took a few seconds to fall to it That is the first time the actual terrain of the ravine floor has been shown, the obvious route but if indeed impassible and HAD to climb not turn back makes more sense. THANK YOU
Everything together he likely WAS the equivalent of drunk. He could easily have fainted whilst walking, legs went out from under him if sat down to wait for a car then passed out. You are nowhere near in your right mind after three days partying and your body is done. Wherever you happen to hit the wall, you either stop or fall over.
Nick, here's a thought... He'd contacted Lucy and she was coming to get him, yes? I'm fairly sure from his behaviour that he was on speed and probably alcohol too so when he hit the inevitable wall....your legs just nope out. Just wondering if it's possible he sat down to wait then either toppled (your balance goes all to shit, as does your proprioception) or passed out. Is it possible to see the road from that vantage? Or just sitting down for a rest; try to stand up again and that's not happening - very, VERY easy to lose your balance, especially as BP would be tanking.
@@lorraineterry884 Yep, all the uppers cause it. I'd be surprised if toxicology doesn't show a cocktail when it comes back - you don't think, all that matters is where the party is going next. They don't tend to sell coke as freely at these things because no point - it's considerably more expensive and no returning market, it's not worth the bother. It would have been there and available - no surprise people with serious drug connections are in a party island at festie time - but the coke market is different as are the production and penalties. Speed is really cheap - hence most of the Ecstasy now being composed of it instead of MDMA - and he went there as a raver kid. Honestly, you'll take any pill you can get... (I know, I know. But we were all young n dumb once, it's just incredibly sad when it goes so horribly wrong.) And all of them interact with booze so you can drink a hell of a lot without realising, then when you hit said wall it's a downer AND a hangover.
The is no evidence he wasn't murdered but there is no evidence he was either. Circumstantially who drops their phone 20mins walk prior to their last location. How did he get out of the Dutch in which he was stuck with a cut leg? How did he walk for a further 2 to 3 hours with a cut leg. How was he lost at 8.15am in the same mountains when he had only just seen Ofelia in Masca village south of the villa to buy fags and ask about buses. Why can't we see his face in last photo. If he never went back to hotel with Lucy and Brad after the rave why is he draped in the hotel blanket from his room.
@@eddygriffin1328what’s your evidence that he was murdered then? There is literally no evidence nor is it even plausible given he about a 2 hours walk off the road. Did they frog march him to edge and throw him off, really? Just because you want it to be a murder doesn’t mean it was.
@@eddygriffin1328 Good point. If the remains are his no one else saw him walk such a long way up that mountain for 40 minutes then a further 3 hour hike to his death. If the remains aren't his Jay is alive and well on another island buying a new ID because his mum never searched and is asking for more than the 70k she already has. Is 8t any coincidence her sister in law pulled a GFM stunt regarding her missing daughter who wasn't missing.
Hi I've seen a video that the Saturday night before jay was found people in the bars already knew about jay been found plus 2am before he was found there was a disturbance because the dogs and cattle were going mad ?
oh really xD a forensic science expert are you? You're talking waffle. stop. Post mortem can determine the time of death though postmortem changes and the presence of certain insects ALONE. He also had flesh on his bones which when calculated against the environment can give an indication of the time of death. IMMEDIATE ways to know this are less reliable because they rely on things like say a broken watch that was busted at the time of death etc.
Not within 3 hours (e.g. Whether he died at 9, 10, 11 am) when examining a body a month later - no they can't, actually. Some of what makes that assessment will be circumstances and the investigation, not the physical postmortem findings alone.
There was no way for the dogs to get in there. That's why they needed to send some one down to retrieve the body, and secure it to that airlift bed. The dogs were never on the body, but close...
If the police got a tip off thats where jays was does that mean somebody knew what happened ? Or just a lucky guess ,lots of people looking for weeks dogs ,drones etc nothing found , someone has a lucky guess or knew the craic
If there was no tip off ,it's a bit suspect the Spanish guards just happen to find Jay a matter of hours before the Norwegian guys are going to start looking , then happen to find Jay 20 mins from last phone ping , after a month of looking with dogs,drones , helicopter , volunteers , amateur sleuths etc couldn't find zilch , did they want jays body to be so decomposed it was impossible to identify the real cause of death , contradictions all over the place ,his friends behavior is suss , interviews or lack of them , backs to camera ,go fund me timeing , lots bag ,stolen watch , video footage on beach with stabbing , all this stuff and authoritys want you to believe he just walked or stumbled off a cliff , all a bit fishy to me
@@jimmyduffy7023 The real cause of death is completely identified. Fall from a great hight. The autopsy report will state the cause of his death. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it is a duck.
Very good explanation and so now it's settled. What terrible terrain to be lost in. Hope the media is through with this story and let the family grieve and fade away from the spotlight. Hope they want the same.
Even if Jay died in this exact way . What do you make of the fact that Jay left his friends to go so far Away with these two older guys ,nor actually party with the & then left them early the next morning ,without apparent wanting them to know &when one woke up &offered him a lift ,he refused & instead took all these risks &ultimately , tragicly lost his life ???
Thanks for this....... to walk that far in such terrain (2.5hrs) from the Air Bnb, was actually quite amazing !!! given the fact he was tired, overhung, de-hydrated etc...he must have been super fit, up until the point maybe he just fainted from Heat Exhaustion, if 11.30, getting near to midday heat (mad dogs and Englishman time !) and just fell down? so stupid, yet sad. RIP JS.
He could have turned around, he could have waited for the bus, he could have waited for the men to nap and get a ride back, he could have hitchhiked, he could have followed the road to Santiago del Teide. The effects of a 3 day drug and alcohol fueled rave, a dehydrated brain and body, the heat and wind, and the inexperience of a 19 year old led to this tragedy. How unfortunate. Rest In Peace.
Aberdaron in Wales UK is next to the sea and there are drops from cliffs into the sea with steep leg trembling walks down the cliff side to get to the sea, or walk down the main road then some steps to the beach. There are also cliffs next to the sea in Jamaica called Lover's Leap for obvious reasons, runaway slaves used to jump off together if the plantation owner did not allow them to get married. So cliff drop offs into the sea are not that rare, you just have to know where they are
@@TCRS I'm not having a go at you, I'm saying that cliff drops into the sea are not rare. I've been to both I've mentioned and there are others we both probably don't know about. I hope that clarified it
Quite correct. I've said elsewhere that it appears to me that Jay made poor decisions as a young man, and like many before him, had little regard for consequences. In his state of mind on that fateful day, we don't know what motivated him to leave the Airbnb, where he had the opportunity to sleep, rest and (presumably) to eat and drink. He chose not to stay, not to wait for a bus which could have taken him back to where he was staying, and not to walk back in the direction of his hotel. Then he decided to leave the road, where he could have hitched a lift or flagged down a vehicle for help, to trek along terrain that must have been difficult and tiring from the very outset. These do not appear to be rational decisions by most conservative estimates. We'll never know what influenced his choices/decisions that day, but his actions point to his view of the world being somewhat different from that of others.
There’s nothing to say that they didn’t all go for a walk after the club at sunrise. We have only L and B story of the events, saying approx time and that he was alone.
It still just doesn't make sense. There are photos of him in that club, of him being wasted. U can see it in his face. (Dig deep for this footage) This is well after he took off his shirt. A waitress said he looked unwell & gave him water. He definitely doesn't look like he was on any upper drugs. Even if u argue that he took an upper afterwards, I can't believe he would walk all that way into mountains like that. It sounds convincing but is it the truth? U let, or allow, something like this to be covered up, the worst is yet to come. I'd like to know what drugs he was on? I don't know anybody who would do something like that. Wasted people can't get very far, uppers or downers. Im still finding this extremely hard to believe. There's something more to this story.
The MailOnline on 16 July suggests that Jay did NOT walk to through the ravine, but instead WALKED ALONG THE RIDGE. He therefore likely fell from the ridge into an inaccessible area, hence could not be found by searchers or dogs. This is backed up by their wording below, and the route displayed in the article. "MailOnline was told today [16 July] that the 19-year-old apparently plunged to his death while walking along a treacherous ridge in the Baranco Juan Lopez area of the Rural de Teno national park."
When I see the camera pan up, and I see the distance from the bottom looking up, that had to be brutal. I think Jay may have died on the first impact on the way down. His body had to strike rock several times because he had multiple breaks. So sorry....rest in peace.
@@Emy53 oh well thanks for so graphically describing it.. Must be fucking great at your house.. Put breakfast in the bin shall I.. What a foul mouth and brain you've got.
They all checked that route with choppers drones people on foot and sniffer dogs but never seen him smelt his odour from the body and defo no flys or birds in sky circling.
Rip jay. I dont know if anything sinister happened to jay, im open minded but if i was to choose what happened id say jay was off his head on drugs, hadnt slept for god knows how many hours and walked out there not in his right mind, maybe even paranoid and fell to his death. If there is foul play i hope they find out. What a shame though, poor young man and his family. Again rip jay slater.
Exactly what I think as well definitely the percentage call If it is the case which I think it most likely I think it will have an impact on all his friends and associates who seem to have been slurred throughout for basically being young party people maybe some of them might of been involved in that violent assault that Jay was previously involved in but definitely not all of them .
Thanks for sharing another piece of this puzzle. I can't help but be reminded of all the poor decisions I too made at Jay's age. How I survived them, I just don't know. Life is fragile. RIP Jay Slater, from Lancashire.
Some people are now saying he got thrown out of a helicopter because of how remote it is. It's sad, and at least it is some comfort to Jays family that his body was found 😢😢
What I don't get is everything mark Williams Thomas said, about him being scared leaving the b&B armed after stealing the watch, then disappeared and nothing from him since
Apparently Jays body was found due 2 a tip off! Wot i dont understand is either the person who sent the tip off had either been down 2 the bottom of the inaccessible ravine and saw Jays body there or knew the body had been placed there or pushed over the edge there! Wot other explanation could there b? X
A good water source is found in these areas and survive the harsh heat plus shade green leaves might be worth the risk of eating,I’ve done one of these tracks and believe me in the heat and terrain it’s very difficult,in panic,it makes sense to head to sea but logically always stay on the road heading downward to find a house or passing cars to get help
I think you're maybe,thinking of the iconic image of two police rescuers being winched out of the ravine by helicopter taken after they had winched Jay out of the ravine. That's not a photo of a rescuer holding Jay's body (which would be impossible, the state he'd be in) nor of two bodies. It's two rescuers attached to each other.
@@Flowersofromance6-fs4pb Exactly. Guardia Civil have original footages and hundres photos but not but they have not been (nor will they be) released to public opinion.
Really. The dogs never picked up before that when they were searching. Not sure why you are keep to this narrative when everyone involved are lying. You need to open your mind and stop believing the official story. Disappointed in your take on this case. Thought you would do better than this
I think you wanted to say you are disappointed with his reporting because it doesn't contain the conspiracies that the others are spreading.😂 You and your better channels just want a crime story, that's your problem. You don't want facts, you want wild speculation and a witch hunt.🙈
Wasn't the Dutch or Dutch dog tht found Jay, it was civil guardia, before the Dutch even started, thtsvwhat makes it weirder for me, after saying they had stopped searching 2wks previous
Exactly... even his intro is in opposition to the police statement and those of the family per their GFM statement.. asking the team to stay!! What he's saying is more distressing than what the theories are!!😮
How a drone or helicopter didn't see him at that area where the dog was standing...... is madness, a silly boy high on drugs trying to walk through mountain terrain to the beach ... if only..... he would have stayed on the road... 😢
So it was all a tragic accident. Why, oh why, did he decide not to wait for that 10 am bus????? He can't have been thinking clearly at all. Atleast he wasn't tortured and murdered like many thought - and the end was quick. But it would have been wonderful if he had survived and gone home to the UK. RIP dear Jay. I didn't know you but I have been following your case closely.
how do you know. We know he wasn't lost at 8.15am as he had just spoken to Ofelia. What made Lucy call police at 9.14 after she hears from him at 8.50. he was missing. Who helped him out of the ditch he was stuck in with a cut leg. Why was his phone dropped 20minhtes walk away from his body.
Great video as always - although it’s clear that Jay must have died from a fall, it’s still suspicious to me, due to all the circumstances- if Jay would have stayed with his friends, he would still be there - it is not normal for a19 year old to go to an outback Airbnb with 2 guys double his age as he had his own hotel with friends of his own age - nobody would do that!!!! It’s not normal to not wait for the bus and decide to walk 1/ hours - it’s not normal to not stay where you are, charge your phone, drink water, have a shower -he was in an Airbnb - he didn’t have to leave instantly- there would be cafés to get food and drink - why not use them!!!! Why walk the opposite direction if you have just been told by Ophelia what the right way is ??? TCRS why are you ignoring all these dodgy circumstances? Without believing that someone pushed him, it’s still not normal to walk off like that if you have a vissticks and cafes nearby - he was driven into his death and that’s nor normal- this cannot be compare to Michael Mosely’s death - that was tragic but at least it could be explained…Jays tragic end cannot be explained- that doesn’t mean I don’t like your videos- they are highly educational-
I’ve fell waked for years and going downhill has to be done gradually, and slowly. Good quality hiking sticks will soften the foot landing and give support where there is loose rocks. Jay was not equipped for that walk at all. Good assumption about the bravado of forging on into dangerous fells. He’d drank the night before so he needed plenty of electrolytes on a hike like that. He must have been very desperate. Poor fellow.
Just would like to point out jay was wearing grey shorts at the night club but in the pic of jay and the two air bnb guys together jay wearing black shorts . Just wanted to point that out
The police were given an anonymous tip off as to where the body was. Not sure why it should have been anonymous and how the informer would’ve known , unless it was a hiker
Thanks Nick. Another great analysis. Draws a conclusion what happened to Jay. Hopefully the naysayers will listen to a voice of reason & see what happened to Jay was as far from foul play as you can get.
