i used to to be a jay hater but the dudew work speaks for itself his catalog is dope jay may not be in some peoples top 5 but his body of work speaks for itself
His work is mainly good because of the production (beats) his bars 80% are standard. He is a great but not a crazy word play artist like papoose or Eminem
@@innercity28 I disagree. Papoose is better lyrically. Jay is the better rapper overall. Jay knew he had to dumb down for his audience to sell records. He did. He said it best on Black Album about Common sense...he did 5 mill, he ain't been rhyming like Common since. He did that for a reason. Pap is just lyrical. Nothing more. Can't make a song to save his life. Can't ever do what Jay did and sell like that. And have ppl relate to his music.
@RenoReign614 name a song that Pap has made that is "lyrically" better then PSA and thats a commercial record by Jay Pap ain't on Jay's level lyrically in no way
To the people that say that Papoose is "too" arrogant, I say that he isn't. Its just that arrogance works for some people and not for others due to marketing and favouritism. Papoose is no more arrogant than Kanye and Jay Z etc. However, I believe that y'all don't know how to discern what you're actually seeing. They set the bait for him to step out of frame and he took the bait. They had him there with the intention of humbling him which they would NEVER do to an artist they respect aka Jay Z. Papoose is a great rapper but great rappers need MARKETING, business brains and enough self-awareness to avoid media traps, such as this interview. They would DARE talk to Jay Z nor Diddy like this.
Jay is waaaaay more of a lyricist than people give him credit for. He's just dumbed down his rhymes so that he's not flying over people's heads. But I know for a fact that if Jay would 2 revert back 2 his old style, and spit the way he was spitting back in his beginnings, he'd be alot better than alot of people, Papoose included. Papoose is a beast don't get me wrong, It's just if u put him against prime Jay, Jay wins every time no question about it.
Jay is a deep lyricist to this day. That is why he’s considered as the greatest of all time. Pap just wants a battle. But he ain’t even got the catalogue to match
Ebro asked an open-ended question "what's your weakness?" Just so he can tell him his weakness. Pap was not having it. This interview is wack. Ebro, a DJ trying to school a lyricist who has been around longer than him.
emayas1231 He living pretty good if he doesn't have to go get a 9-5 and could make a living off of doing what he loves. How many of us could say the same?. Also its said he is worth a few million. Selling a lot of albums doesn't always translate into wealth (see TLC) Stop letting society dictate to you what success is.
Have you heard Reasonable Doubt? That album is at least top 10 all time in hiphop history. What album does Papoose have that even comes close? I swear yall hate just to hate
@@marlowstanfield6815 and how does that have ANYTHING to do with Jay Z not beiing a lyricist? By your logic Migos and Lil Pump are lyricists cause of their record sales
@@antonklokk he ain't wrong I've never really felt anything when i listen to jay either never really understood the appeal. Pap is the better rapper listen to alphabetical slaughter A-Z that track is enough to prove pap is one of the best lyrisis living right now
well him hating on jay and kendrick just makes him look like a jealous and bitter man.... he is dope and def underrated but jay and kendrick deserve to be where they at
Papoose was all ready signed back in 06 , he wanted creative control , he didn't want a lable to dictate his talent I respect papoose n I been following him for over 8 years , n papoose still spits fire
I see where Pap is coming from as far as not having the negative thought of weaknesses but even wanting to evolve implies a current weakness you want to grow or change from.
These hot 97 dudes make me laugh u know. Pap said jay z is alright and they acting like its blasphemy. Like really tho when will people get to grips with the fact that this jay z hype is one of the biggest scams of the century? We're talking lyrics here not riches! I'm with pap on this one. I respect jay z's hustle but lyrically? Not in my top five. But if he's ur personal favorite then thats you. I'd consider people like pharoahe munch, nas, common, royce, mos, talib, lupe, rakim, krs, eminem and a host of other MCs first before jigga. No disrespect to Hov. Happy for him attaining this status but at the same time..lets call a spade a spade! Rant over
***** I see where you're coming from. The thing is, there are people that are just in it for the sport and just want to be recognized. i think thats why alot of MCs put in work lyrically. Don't get me wrong, money is good but like Styles P said in his argument with 50 cent...Styles stressed that he doesn't really care about getting as much money as 50's because he (Styles) is not starving. That he was living comfortably . And sometimes thats all people need. i'm very sure Pap knows exactly what to do to sell...Maybe his soul just doesn't agree with it and i understand that...Thats that true spirit of hiphop if u ask me. There's this line where Jay Z says something like...If skills sold, lyrically...he would rather be Talib Kweli and common sense but since he sold 5 mill he hasnt rhymed like that ever since...or something like that. He even admits it...haha and i respect him for doing that. so at the end of the day it all depends on what you want from hiphop, be it money, recognition or both...
***** its not like i don't get what you're trying to say. i just don't agree with your principles. First of all Jay Z is a business man! he is no different from the corporations that are making money of this rap music. he just happens to know how to rap. Apart from hiphop he tries to make money off anything he puts his hands on. Greed is his drive. so to compare him to some one like Pap or any other conscious MC that are in rap just for the purpose of spreading message is just wrong. And it seems like you didn't read what i posted up earlier. its clear you're a Jay Z person...i'm more into Nas. yeah that line bout kicking knowledge was a diss at Nas. sorry, i'd rather go with Nas that said "fuck the cars, fuck the jewelry...all i need is one mic, spread my voice to the whole world. To some rappers that's really whats important and if that makes them happy then that shouldn't bother you...you get me...?
***** yeah i do agree that Pap still emulates elements of that Gangsta stuff that most of us are bored of now. yeah and i guess Jay is kind of a hiphop role model in terms of sucess. i just didn't like how Jay more or less "worshiped" money and material things though.He doesnt do that as much now but most of the shallow music coming from Maybach music/YMCM are just copying what Jay did initially. And look at the result...yes...Crap. i maintain that we still need people like Papoose.
k2datrack "We're all fish, better teach your folk Give him money to eat, then next week he's broke Cause when you sleep, he's reaching for your throat Word on the skreet (Street), you reap what you sow"-Jay-Z so you're saying Jay-Z has no message in his songs sounds to me like you don't listen to Jay-Z at all so many people relate to him and buy his records because of the messages he gives them... you make no sense
Frank White That line right there is street Knowledge fam. I probably listen to Jigga more than u son. i didnt say Jay was wack, i said he's not in my top 5 and definitely not the greatest of all time. i mean...i like 50 cent and we can argue that 50 puts out street knowledge as well. but 50 is not in my top 5. No, Jay is not the greatest of all time. see what he tried to do in 99 problmes? Mosdef did it wayyyy better in "Mr Nigga".
I dont like ebro but i have to side with him here. Papoose your logic is flawed you cant say that just because a critic cant rhyme like you they dont have a right to criticize you. thats bullshit because im pretty sure Cus D'mato couldnt punch like Mike Tyson but with Cus' criticism and coaching he helped make Tyson the world champion. Someone who cant rhyme worth for shit can also be a huge hip hop head who listens to KRS1 Kool G Rap Rakim Big Daddy Kane ect and know how to help you be a better rapper. You gotta learn how to take criticism son
Ebro mad because he can't "SON" Pap, on the topic of Advise from others. Like he does his staff. EBRO doesn't understand because he is not an ARTIST, he has a "Boss-Worker"- mindset. Most Artists as in ARTISTIC PEOPLE know that NO ONE CAN tell you HOW TO BE YOU, or HOW TO EXPRESS your PERSONAL VISION. IN ARTISTRY, As soon as someone critiquing you convinces you that you should adjust a certain way and do "this or that," then the ARTIST is no longer EXPRESSING SELF AND THEIR VISION, they are expressing that CRITIC'S VISION. Yet People will ALWAYS try to force THEIR opinion of YOU on you. Actually EBRO is even doing it here, and got mad when Pap didnt budge.
I don't understand how Remy is married to somebody like him he's so arrogant and egotistical, and she's the total opposite I wonder if this is how their marriages where he's never wrong???
After watching this interview I understand why hes not as sucessful as hes complaining to be, he doesnt listen to critisim well at all. At the end of the day the reality is you'll gain respect once the music you're putting out is making the charts consecutively. End of story Papoose.
Jay reminds me of Drake, wildly popular but I never got the impression that either of them were inherently cool. Rakim: cool, Miles Davis: cool, Big Daddy Kane: cool. Jay, that cat never really did anything for me.
@@marlowstanfield6815 Stop it. The Weeknd wrote a few hooks and Drake rapped on the majority of the album but ok. Let me throw out another album. Nothing Was The Same or even If You’re Reading This It’s Too Late.
@@RapRants The Weekend " "I was hungry....I was like, 'Dude, take anything.'" Today, he says he has nothing but gratitude for Drake, whom he calls "my closest friend in the industry at that time." Still, he says, "I gave up almost half of my album. It's hard. '' That sounds like a lot more than a couple hooks to me
He's in the place he's in due to his fixed perspective and inability to even address his own weaknesses. Took eons to make one album that doesn't even justify the wait. Ebro blessed'em by tellin'em "evolve or die" but he's so locked into his own bs he can't handle it. Nobody is checkin for ya bruh and besides, what good is 360 degrees when you only look in one direction 100% of the time? Irrelevant.
Kendrick : Takes in critic, humbles himself, finds his weaknesses = 3 classic projects and a good mixtapes! Papoose : doesn't take critic, no weaknesses ( sarcasm ) , and never humble = No classic, good mixtapes, 1 great album ....... Kendrick >> Papoose.... See what im gettin at...
No lol ....Kendrick does appeal but he definitely appeal to black people to ......GKMC pretty much deals with alot of problems from the ghetto and how it affects the youth .... Kendrick does appeal on a wider scope than Papoose but he still talks about problems within black communities :)
Pap is the most deluded person . He is so full of himself to the extent he blinds himself to his feelings & opinion as fact. Subjective reality isn't objective reality.
I have nothing against Jay-Z but it was strange how he got a pass to make radio hits with no real message for about a decade but anyone else is wrong for it. Nas made a few "club songs" and he's damn near crucified. Again, nothing against Jay but some guys ( including other male rappers) be sucking him off and get mad when you don't.
Honestly papoose is one of the best rapper in the game he's very lyricist , freestyler , he don't rap about money and cars like all these rappers do today an if he was around when biggie was he be right next to biggie but rap has changed so much that's it's bout hits
@Łåžåř Ïłĩĉ Jay Z is in my top 5. He's one of the GOATS with great Rhyme schemes and metaphors. My top 5 is Lil Wayne, Jay Z, Andre 3000, Kendrick Lamar and Joey Badass
Why because he don't bow down to the corporatocracy? Real God body. No sell out zone Pap tell these lames, FUCK your corporation nigga. Corporate slaves at hot97 try'na tell a freeman something.GTFOH.
One thing I don't like about Papoose is how hard headed, stubborn, & ignorant he can be. Dude, I can tell u 4 myself that u have PLENTY weaknesses & that's just fine. We're all human, no one's perfect. But u can't evolve, nor elevate in the slightest if u ignore those weaknesses instead of realizing them & working on improving them. Papoose is nice, but there are plenty underground mc's that will shit on him because he ain't perfect no matter how much he thinks he is.
You're right, and I've been saying that same thing for years. Papoose got a lot of growing up to do. Guys like him never evolve and they wonder why their careers stay stagnate and never progress. And I find it absolutely hilarious that he views himself as the American Dream,...lmao
They weren't going in on him. Papoose was just incapable of understanding the what Ebro was trying to saying. Like what he was saying was good lmao it's like he blocked out the good intentions and was just too stubborn!
Pap one of the most lyrical, he never gave his life up to make millions he could've been on top yeeeeears ago when he had a 1.5 million dollar deal and almost dropped an album like 6 or 7 years ago
i fucked with papoose until he said he has no weaknesses. We as men, take from our weaknesses, learn from them and convert them to strengths. Your weaknesses can only get the best of you when you deny they exist.
thinking too hard can hurt you when it comes to appealing to the masses papoose is a prime example of that...its nothing wrong wit being witty and matuer with your flow but he really over does it
I actually agree with what he's saying though Jay-Z isn't an extreme lyricist and its even sadder that we make artists feel forced to say they like certain artists this is music not a cult.
