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Jazz drummer reacts: Devin Townsend-Hear Me (Sam Paulicelli) 

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Had to upload because Sam wasn't sure I was serious that I had one of his videos to upload. Proof!
See the video posted after this one for a little lesson in adapting the flam accent for metal and jazz.
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@crusty_the_alpaca
@crusty_the_alpaca 4 года назад
Devin Townsend said in a video on the making of Empath that he chose Samus for his precise, almost robotic style of playing. It was perfect for the sound he was after. Great drummer.
@FanaticDrummer
@FanaticDrummer 4 года назад
He’s basically the younger peoples Gene Hoglan. His blasts and extreme drumming is so influenced by him. Also his precision and cleanliness. He also uses triggers how they should be used.
@FanaticDrummer
@FanaticDrummer 4 года назад
Жан Агъырджанокъуэ Oh for sure. He has way more groove. He’s like Vinnie Paul on steroids. Sammus is a better version of Derek Roddy ultimately. Hes more styled like SYL’s extreme days but his blasts are very Roddy in nature just better. Another creative metal drummer worth noting no one follows is Peter Wildoer. Extremely musical and dynamic player. He’s the only reason I listen to James Labrie’s solo albums lol.
@lifeezane3526
@lifeezane3526 4 года назад
@@BJazz19 Samus has just such a different style, more tech death oriented... if you listen to his work with decrepit birth you'll understand what i mean!!
@browncoat697
@browncoat697 4 года назад
@@BJazz19 Yeah, part of what I love about drummers like Gene Hoglan isn't just the extremely precise, clean playing, but their ability to crank out hundreds of unique musical ideas effortlessly with that same precision and cleanliness.
@jurgentrockenbau9321
@jurgentrockenbau9321 4 года назад
@@FanaticDrummer Finally someone who shares my thoughts about Peter Wildoer. He is awesome!😎🤘🏻😁
@JimmyB2772
@JimmyB2772 4 года назад
Should start showing some vids of people or songs you want us to see as well 👍
@noahmichvfs
@noahmichvfs 4 года назад
I'd love to see this as well. One of my favorite videos was the snarky puppy reaction. I'd be down if he started branching out to different genres.
@FanaticDrummer
@FanaticDrummer 4 года назад
OR people submissions. High quality only. Help the unsigned artists get some followings! Thats whats missing on youtube.
@Blackerer
@Blackerer 4 года назад
"See, this is a guy called Mark Guiliana, you might like him." :D there are so many jazz drummers to enjoy, yet they are locked away from the public eye as much as the metal ones.
@macabrecreation1067
@macabrecreation1067 4 года назад
Yes, Please! :)
@EjDub83
@EjDub83 4 года назад
He's still drawing us in, sinking his teeth into us before he radically changes directions and we follow suit without question. Smart dude this guy is.
@MattMcloughlin
@MattMcloughlin 4 года назад
The flam accent blast is affectionately known as "The Dirk Blast", as made famous by Dirk Verbeuren, who has played for Devin in the past, was in Soilwork, and is the current drummer for Megadeth! Definitely check him out for some insane metal playing, he's got this loose frantic feel that's still incredibly tight and precise, one of the few extreme metal drummers with a clear signature sound, like you can instantly recognise when he's behind the kit!
@dodgrblu
@dodgrblu 4 года назад
Yes! I've been asking for him constantly. With Soilwork though. I recommended the live vid of Long Live the Misanthrope. Love Dirk's playing in Soilwork.
@oldmanuserphan
@oldmanuserphan 4 года назад
Dirk is like Gar reincarnated at times. He's so heavy precise and jazzy all at the same time.
@mindgamemax
@mindgamemax 4 года назад
Dirk Drumming with aborted was also pretty nuts (specially Goremageddon)
@targhan666
@targhan666 4 года назад
Or Scarve. He was insane with them and did some clinics video of thoose musics.
@Krigloch
@Krigloch 4 года назад
So excited to hear what he does with Megadeth. I remember seeing a clip of him playing some blasts for a new Mega song.
@IamShirky
@IamShirky 4 года назад
Type "Archspire's Spencer Prewett Drum Playthrough" into RU-vid and enjoy my friend :) Dude is a machine.
@drzskullblastbeatnik3270
@drzskullblastbeatnik3270 4 года назад
Gravity blasts, overlapping quintuplet blasts, heel-toe quadruplets, Zil-bell + ride accents, Spencer definitely ticks a lot of boxes for Garrett.
@dcd434
@dcd434 4 года назад
He deserves a lot more attention for sure.
@FjompenNiZZe
@FjompenNiZZe 4 года назад
Yessssss
@matt_klein
@matt_klein 4 года назад
Alex Rudinger - Xenochrist. Can't believe no one has recommended this
@StratEdition
@StratEdition 4 года назад
Not the first time I've seen this recommended. I also agree he should see it!
@matt_klein
@matt_klein 4 года назад
@@StratEdition yeah it needs to happen. Really anything Alex has done. The Monuments playthroughs would be dope as well.
@Akuzuma
@Akuzuma 4 года назад
It is done my dude!
@fredrikjohansson8066
@fredrikjohansson8066 4 года назад
Avsked for that one also.... :)
@fripptricky5099
@fripptricky5099 4 года назад
Watching you discover metal drumming is allowing me to rediscover the reason I love the genre and the instrument. Living vicariously through you is like watching my own child grow. This rules.
@primordials0und
@primordials0und 4 года назад
On top of everything re: the amazing drum performance, one fun little Easter egg in this song: Chad Kroeger from Nickelback sings the harmony with Devin in the chorus of this song!
@Kumpelblase123451
@Kumpelblase123451 4 года назад
Damn. I’ve watched almost all your reaction videos but this guy’s really giving me an itch to get into metal again. Damn that’s such an interesting song and style of play
@danneu8
@danneu8 4 года назад
You should do Anup Sastry who also recorded on this album.
@LusidDreaming
@LusidDreaming 4 года назад
He's a beast! Every time I'm blown away by drumming on a track I find out it's him
@whatdothlife4660
@whatdothlife4660 4 года назад
Anup is absolutely phenomenal!
@_waveseven_
@_waveseven_ 4 года назад
Yeah Anup on Devin Townsend- Singularity
@PerceptionsofFate
@PerceptionsofFate 4 года назад
Anup's part in singularity is amazing, no where near as heavy as Hear Me, but my god its such a groove
@timryder3444
@timryder3444 4 года назад
Gotta do Anup and dude from Northlane Nic Pettersen
@jacobvandewoestyne4488
@jacobvandewoestyne4488 4 года назад
You should do Anup Sastry's playthrough of Singularity off the same Devin Townsend record!!! 🤘
@PowerfulWarbird
@PowerfulWarbird 4 года назад
Samus is on of YT's strongest players, definitely check out more of his stuff
@Cats_and_Tats
@Cats_and_Tats 4 года назад
I get goosebumps every time I hear and watch that 66Samus playthrough
@ianbridge3270
@ianbridge3270 4 года назад
Gene Hoglan - Skeksis That's a great one. His playing is unique and tight as hell.
@AlexGelinas42069
@AlexGelinas42069 4 года назад
So glad you have added "gravity blast" to your vocab!! This album was super cool, it actually had three drummers =]
@bakedspade
@bakedspade 4 года назад
My man is getting into metal. Such a fucking diverse genre, yet so overlooked, still to this day. We're nearing 50 years of it now. Hope it stays long after I'm gone.
@kreator1321
@kreator1321 4 года назад
Love Devin, great choice! Still would love to see reaction to “Archspire New Song (350BPM)”!
@edu_assis
@edu_assis 4 года назад
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@theepicslayer7sss101
@theepicslayer7sss101 4 года назад
that is Practically "Involuntary Doppelgänger" in it's BETA version... some parts are different but that is the same song while they were making it.
@eatmyfishy
@eatmyfishy 4 года назад
Love the song and you’re analysis! You’ve had me hooked on your reactions for a couple months now!
@dirtpile
@dirtpile 4 года назад
Love Sam! Devin has had some awesome drummers behind him! Check out some of Dirk Verbeuren's work. He's currently with Megadeth but his Soilwork stuff and on Devin's album Deconstruction are killer.
@dustinmorris8235
@dustinmorris8235 4 года назад
Dude, I love your videos. Seeing you, a very knowledgeable drummer, give props and bring attention to these other incredible drummers is just amazing.
@mike-oxlong
@mike-oxlong 4 года назад
You're now giving us lessons? That's awesome! Keep it up bud.
@alamakluke
@alamakluke 4 года назад
Samus is just freaking awesome.... great reaction. :) Keep them coming :)
@jozefkimak3010
@jozefkimak3010 4 года назад
2-rides fill: *exists* A jazz drummer from YT: "tililing" and *orgasms*
@hbsupermage
@hbsupermage 4 года назад
Morgan Ågren - Sol Nger Within opeth deliverance live at Shepherd's Bush Empire
@LaniakeaLeathercrafts
@LaniakeaLeathercrafts 4 года назад
I'm not a drummer but listen to most of the stuff you react to and you're giving me a whole new appreciation for these bands and drummers!
@Sam-np9xe
@Sam-np9xe 4 года назад
HELL YES!!! Dude i know every one is saying this but the pure honesty coming from your facial expression is what makes this great, not only are these videos Unrehearsed but its pure we get to see you get excited about the same parts that make us smile and that makes us smile. Keep it up bro. Also you made a comment in the video about the cleanliness of metal players. I have been saying that shit for years. I'm happy you are seeing that
@MusicWehe
@MusicWehe 4 года назад
So glad I’ve found this channel!
@syntheticvoid
@syntheticvoid 4 года назад
Wayheyyy! You did it! I was really hoping you'd get round to this one.
@HevyDevy101
@HevyDevy101 4 года назад
So glad you checked this out, thanks dude 😊
@LimpBizkit999
@LimpBizkit999 4 года назад
I love your reaction I’m a huge Samus fan. You have yourself a new subscriber 🤘🏼🥁
@Eifandil
@Eifandil 4 года назад
Your unknowning ascension to metalhead throughout these reaction videos has been really great for me. Wholesome af, and a pleasure to watch. Keep it up, friend.
@jodymcgurk3428
@jodymcgurk3428 4 года назад
love your videos bro!
@corylane5
@corylane5 4 года назад
i am loving every moment of watching someone fall in love with metal drumming. Going down the Devin Townsend rabbit hole is a MUST.
@exonerati
@exonerati 4 года назад
I think as a European, seeing ironed t-shirts hung up like that might be the most American thing I know of :) Love your content! And the t-shirts, 60-40.
@MooseyFate100
@MooseyFate100 4 года назад
This guy's a monster. YURRRRRRRR
@richardharrold9736
@richardharrold9736 4 года назад
SEX!
@schism8286
@schism8286 4 года назад
Becoming one of my favorite channels
@infernalforms3613
@infernalforms3613 4 года назад
favorite youtuber! love the videos bro!
@swamprabbit66
@swamprabbit66 4 года назад
He makes it look so easy...Samus is seriously next level.
@Rose-From-the-Dead
@Rose-From-the-Dead 4 года назад
Hell yeah! You should check out Gene Hoglan, Devin's old drummer from his band Strapping Young Lad playing Skeksis. There's a really good drum playthrough of it
@ToddFraud
@ToddFraud 4 года назад
Yo dude you should check out Gene Hoglan playing Skeksis, it's a Strapping Young Lad track. He's called The Atomic Clock for a reason, and his technique is very odd. Would love to see your opinion on how he plays.
@CaseyRogers
@CaseyRogers 4 года назад
Seconded
@_waveseven_
@_waveseven_ 4 года назад
Thirded
@vetlerradio
@vetlerradio 4 года назад
Farted?
@jaxpatrickson
@jaxpatrickson 4 года назад
For sure, I just had a look and now am in a need of explanation
@hititwithit
@hititwithit 4 года назад
I shart this.
@unfortuitousash
@unfortuitousash 4 года назад
Oh man this is a great song. So much talent all around.
@BeeFizzle
@BeeFizzle 4 года назад
When the Rev did the Double ride in Almost easy is also really fun.
@AFacemarkedbyFea
@AFacemarkedbyFea 4 года назад
And the double splash
@mikefearon3577
@mikefearon3577 4 года назад
OH YUUURRR!!
@Chicago_Podcast_Authority
@Chicago_Podcast_Authority 4 года назад
because if this video I now own the vinyl of this record 🤘
@CarlGonzalesGuitar
@CarlGonzalesGuitar 4 года назад
Please do Jay Postones of tesseract! ❤️ Love your vids man!
@MrAugustenborg
@MrAugustenborg 4 года назад
Specifically do Of Mind: Nocturne... HEAVY AF... Tesseract are one of Meshuggah's many children. Check it out! :-)
@mattashcraft9105
@mattashcraft9105 4 года назад
Any part of Concealing fate. Jay is an atomic clock on all 5 parts of that song!
@XTyrannicalX
@XTyrannicalX 4 года назад
"That two ride shit is kinda giving me a semi." LEGEND. Instant subscribe.
@thecharlestonchew197
@thecharlestonchew197 4 года назад
I love how you dont over hype everything. So many review channels are over hyping everything just to get views. We appreciate the realness man! Would love to see a video of you playing!
@drummdude716
@drummdude716 4 года назад
Lead singer of Nickleback did the backing vocals and growls on this track.
@depouillementpersonnel
@depouillementpersonnel 4 года назад
Glad you reacted to Samus’ video. He is awesome.
@NBElectronic
@NBElectronic 4 года назад
You should watch Morgan Ågren and Fredrik Thordendal playing parts of Sol Niger Within on Trum tv, absolute master class stuff
@ElectricMonkey99
@ElectricMonkey99 4 года назад
You would love Sean Reinert! He has a playthrough of a song called Evolutionary Sleeper on his channel.
@Rod_Zombi
@Rod_Zombi 4 года назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-J5vagx9V050.html I thought the same thing. Or even some Atheist.. oldy but catchy..
@mvunit3
@mvunit3 4 года назад
Have suggested Sean to Garrett as well. That man is a pleasure to watch play, and the 1 album with Death (Human), incredible playing and ahead of its time. Rod V - I believe that's the same (Cynic track) vid I used too.
@josephjimenez5137
@josephjimenez5137 4 года назад
Love the vids!i love watching Gene playing “Skekis” and dirk verbeuren playing “late for the kill”
@UlfhedinnNorsk
@UlfhedinnNorsk 2 года назад
Sam has to be the coolest metal drummer ever. 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
@jordanfrank3406
@jordanfrank3406 4 года назад
Ohh cannot forget the master of death metal drumming. DEREK RODDY beyond incredible. He can play anything any style ccx to perfection. This guy is a must!
@GahMehGrrrr
@GahMehGrrrr 4 года назад
I was one of the many recommendors. Great stuff
@zaqwertyfish
@zaqwertyfish 4 года назад
Hands down one of the best drumlines I've ever seen...
@jeshuggah7325
@jeshuggah7325 4 года назад
I just love your channel so much, your enthusiasm brings me so much inspiration as a drummer. You don't care if it's metal or jazz, you just enjoy the drumming. We need more people like you! Also a suggestion, maybe check out Jamie St. Merat from Ulcerate. He does some unbelievably musical, precise and dynamic drumming WITHOUT triggers.
@basildog007
@basildog007 3 года назад
That's God level... I'm sorry but that's barely human anymore. It's closer to a miracle. His body made like 7.000.000 movements, and it was straighter than a goddamn metronome. All jokes aside, killer album, so diverse, there's disco, metal, jazz, symphonic, prog, death... And the cohesion is just outstanding. Not a single filler song. A masterpiece in my book. 🤘🤘
@darthwoopv573
@darthwoopv573 4 года назад
I absolutely love this song, and 66Samus is by far my biggest inspiration right now on drums. Like you said, it'll be another lifetime to play like him, but damn is he sooooooooo tight. A beast for sure. Also, I'm getting another solely based on this song/his kit!!! So fuckin badass. I enjoyed your video, you think like me:) \,,/
@TheKyuby777
@TheKyuby777 4 года назад
Awesome react
@jmpsthrufyre
@jmpsthrufyre 4 года назад
Ever seen Fantomas live at Montreax with Terry Bozio? Suspended animation tour.
@MooseyFate100
@MooseyFate100 4 года назад
This I would love to see.
@mindgamemax
@mindgamemax 4 года назад
In metal what you call a flam accent is call a dirk blast since it was “created” by Dirk Verbeuren. Dirk is currently playing with Megadeth but was in band like Soilwork, Scarve and Aborted. If you want to look at Dirk drumming you can find a playthrough for Alight in the Aftermath of Soilwork that is pretty good
@akerfeld91
@akerfeld91 4 года назад
Yeees ! His flam accent in the song "Dynamic" of Sybreed... Pure dope !
@rogervault6082
@rogervault6082 4 года назад
Clicked on the video cause I saw your Couchmen hat!
@dodgrblu
@dodgrblu 4 года назад
Now do Dirk Verbeuren! With Soilwork (now Megadeth, and he's also worked with Devin Townsend) "Long Live the Misanthrope"
@satricon
@satricon 4 года назад
Yes! Dirk has such an amazing groove and finesse!
@Wintris
@Wintris 4 года назад
Great choice! I would also love to see a reaction vid of Dirk´s performance of Scarve - Asphyxiate : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7T4oDSgELQU.html
@tjombom
@tjombom 4 года назад
01:30 - That face, dude - yeah (what a drumming btw.) :-)) "Clearness is paramount and this shit is fucking clean." :-)
@the6ig6adwolf
@the6ig6adwolf 3 года назад
Can't stop thinking about the cavity blast 🤣
@STEELCURTAIN005
@STEELCURTAIN005 4 года назад
When are you gonna start building and playing a metal kit? haha
@des_o7935
@des_o7935 4 года назад
Glad you enjoyed.
@7strokeguru713
@7strokeguru713 4 года назад
I love how you know all the terminology already like "gravity blast". He a metal fan now boys.
@nikguidance5557
@nikguidance5557 4 года назад
He clearly came a long way from calling it the "stick on the rim trick"
@salvadormorales612
@salvadormorales612 4 года назад
I m glad you call 'hem gravity blasts now 🤘
@chickiarevalo91
@chickiarevalo91 4 года назад
Have you noticed that the he plays the pattern right before the double rides with his left foot? Pure dedication right there.
@dislecsyk991
@dislecsyk991 4 года назад
I like watching you reacting to metal and being impressed or blown away by what you're seeing. There was a time where nobody took metal seriously enough for it to be able to get by on its own merits, and "He's a jazz drummer" used to be some kind of validation for a metal drummer, like being a metal drummer wasn't good enough. Metal has changed fairly recently, there's a shed-load more of this more technical stuff out there now, and it's really cool to see a non-metal musician appreciate it for what it is.
@acidrain812
@acidrain812 4 года назад
A lot of people still don’t take metal drummers seriously, “hurr durr he’s fast but no speed, no soul. Durr where’s the groove? This is boring and soulless, metal drummers don’t have feel. He uses triggers cuz he can’t really play that fast” etc. it’s such a shitfest lol.
@Darkest_of_Winter
@Darkest_of_Winter 4 года назад
Request: Alex Rudinger - a Conquering Dystopia song would be sick
@tschaderdstrom2145
@tschaderdstrom2145 4 года назад
Tethys all day
@MattJFilms
@MattJFilms 4 года назад
@@tschaderdstrom2145 This all fucking day! Nuclear Justice is also a killer choice :D
@blueisournew2sun
@blueisournew2sun 4 года назад
snake oil!!
@SuidAkrA1
@SuidAkrA1 4 года назад
Tethys, mind games or stab wound 🤘🏻
@KRUNK42069
@KRUNK42069 4 года назад
His necrophagist cover is gnarly
@kmuck8677
@kmuck8677 3 года назад
You definitely need a "Double the ride, double the fun" shirt haha
@allanjensen8324
@allanjensen8324 4 года назад
He is an amazing drummer in every Way
@chicken6111
@chicken6111 4 года назад
5:42 my face watching every 66Samus video
@killer1one1
@killer1one1 4 года назад
"Bruuuuh, yeah..." was my exact reaction the first time this song finished as well.
@guitartherapy7208
@guitartherapy7208 4 года назад
I like the drumming here.
@soniclab-cnc
@soniclab-cnc 4 года назад
so clean...
@Babis_music
@Babis_music 4 года назад
Since you like double rides, you should check MGLA - Exercises in Futility V ( drum cam). You will be blown away.
@dooledob7876
@dooledob7876 3 года назад
He is crazy, insanely sharp :-)
@jacobmarez3559
@jacobmarez3559 4 года назад
Fuckin great video man hell yeahhhhh 🤘🤘🤘
@Liz-cmc313
@Liz-cmc313 4 года назад
Samus is awesome with the blast beats. 🤘🤘
@EjDub83
@EjDub83 4 года назад
Sam is hands down my favorite drummer at the moment (even growing up a Dream Theater fanatic - All the love to Portnoy and Mangini still!)
@zaqwertyfish
@zaqwertyfish 4 года назад
Cleanliness is metalness... and so many people think it's just random noise
@fredesti1
@fredesti1 4 года назад
Billy Rymer from The Dillinger Escape Plan reaction soon!? ( I'm going to spam every video till you do lol)
@camhorejs
@camhorejs 4 года назад
Or Chris Pennie. Panasonic youth is my favorite Dillinger song for drums!
@fredesti1
@fredesti1 4 года назад
@@camhorejs yes Panasonic youth is amazing. But Chris left to play in coheed and cambria.... I can't realy look a him the same way since lol Prancer would be a good song too I think
@cringeonaudio
@cringeonaudio 4 года назад
fred pitt Yes! Dillinger Escape Plan! Honestly do a video of all their drummers cause Gil Sharone is also a killer drummer. But billy has the best drum play thru videos but Chris Pennie got that technique down
@fredesti1
@fredesti1 4 года назад
@@cringeonaudio Gil Sharone is indeed an amazing drummer also. He was in a couple of other bands too
@batbeardscs
@batbeardscs 4 года назад
Devin had 3 different drummers play on his recent release. 2 of them upload to RU-vid regularly. Anup Sastry is the other one you might want to check out. Also, Alex Rüdinger is another sick drummer.
@holdorf333
@holdorf333 4 года назад
have a look at dirk verbeuren of soilwork. check out either long Live the Misanthrope live or Stabbing The Drama
@MattJFilms
@MattJFilms 4 года назад
Stabbing the Drama is a classic jam :D "Spectrum of Eternity" would also be an awesome one :)
@KoarTCN
@KoarTCN 4 года назад
You need some Spencer prewett from Archspire if you're digging the speed and gravity blasts. Archspire - involuntary doppelganger
@bordenkilled4563
@bordenkilled4563 4 года назад
Please look up Richard Christy live drum cam with Burning Inside... double ride, triple hi hat, absolute beast! Probably not reaction quality but his precision cuts through. Worth a watch.
@Cygnus82
@Cygnus82 4 года назад
Garrett, Sam and Marthyn walk into a bar..... and it's open jam night.
@VapeSafe
@VapeSafe 4 года назад
"That two ride shit is giving me kina of a semi" HA! Love you vids man.
@karmavoidoz9809
@karmavoidoz9809 4 года назад
Hahahaha 3:21 "I give up man... I give up"
@BuzzaB77
@BuzzaB77 4 года назад
reminds of the "strapping young lad" days this stuff.
@digitalmayor
@digitalmayor 4 года назад
well said... that shit was fucking clean
@cobra1995xx
@cobra1995xx 4 года назад
Yep. THAT shit was siiiiiiiiiick!!! 🤘
@KennedyofSolace
@KennedyofSolace 4 года назад
Great vids! I would love to see what you say about Archspire's Rapid Elemental Dissolve drum play through!
@txtamaman
@txtamaman 4 года назад
I couldn't care less about this kinda music but MY GOSH THESE MUSICIANS ARE AWESOME.. this drummer is insanely GREAT
@berend_dijk
@berend_dijk 4 года назад
If there is one thing I like more than listening to Devin Townsend's Hear Me, it is watching Samus playing drums on Devin Townsend's Hear Me. And if there is one thing I like more than watching Samus playing drums on Devin Townsend's Hear Me, it is watching Garrett reacting to Samus playing drums on Devin Townsend's Hear Me.
@andymellinger512
@andymellinger512 4 года назад
love all these videos!!! keep it up!!! can i suggest DISCORDANCE AXIS?
@christosgazaris1158
@christosgazaris1158 4 года назад
It’s cool to see how much you enjoy Samus as well as Gene Hoglan in the other video. Fun fact, Gene played in Devin’s other band strapping young lad. Devin always gets the best musos!
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