@@braedenzurfluh1308the science is used to be more efficient with your exercises. It’s the reason form matters. On top of that, how well your form is could influence your maximum strength in a certain movement
The problem is he’s also doing it “wrong” lmao. You don’t need to go that far down to your chest. And no I didn’t figured that out. Yannis Karrer explained that. Your Lats are fully contracted when your right on the level of your mouth or nose.
@aarons4716 I agree with you ! However, this mostly works if your objective is to isolate more of the lats. However Jeff is giving a great advice about those extra-partials for optimal muscle growth (which is the main point of this short)
@@aarons4716well the depth at which you pull depends on your goals. If you want bigger lats, your right. You don’t need to go fully down. But if you’re semi-new to working out and focusing on stabilization (which the majority of people should be) then a full range of motion is ABSOLUTELY necessary. Unless you’ve been hitting the gym consistently for like 2-3 years already, full range is definitely necessary.
@@AMDBnmr true! Many People (mostly men) think they’re gonna look weak in front of the others when they can’t get the rep done in full range of motion (without distort their face lmao). Partial reps are those who build 👍🏻
Tbh Sam is probably just very in tune with his body. Tried it one time, felt a difference, stuck with it. I feel like a lot of science is that way. Someone did something, that event stuck out to them, they had to know why.
@@atrumpetwillsound Science doesnt just try to explain why it works, it also tries to quantify if it works or not and/or how much it works. OP is definitely right that a lot of science is people just doing random shit, noticing something seemingly significant and then trying to quantify and qualify it.
@@callanc3925 Science is when you test your hypothesis and figure out what's actually true, not try things and feel out what works. Science is pretty much the opposite of the Sam Sulek example here.
@@Notski Your first statement is literally what i said in my last sentence. Until people have a hypothesis they are just noticing shit. Newtons theory of gravity famously was prompted by him seeing an apple fall from a tree and extrapolating a hypothesis from there. Just like people in the gym tried doing partial reps after they could no longer do full reps, they noticed that it felt like it had a meaningful effect which formulated a hypothesis which ended up being tested (probably by someone else). We arent saying sam follows the scientific method, although hes 100% more clued up on the science of exercise than most gym goers. We are saying that people messing around and coming up with ideas is the basis of how we go about forming hypotheses.
@@callanc3925 no you are missing my point. Science is NOT trying out things. Science is what comes after that. What Sam is doing in this example is only the first part, which completely leaves out the science part.
@@youngpbands9507 You're completely misunderstanding the point. Technique comes first. There is no serious set without paying attention to your technique and doing your best in that department. That is how you grow muscle and prevent inqury.
He's wrong on this. This theory that the negative is more "important" than the positive for muscle growth is wrong. There are lots of studies done where they would take group A and have them do fast reps without really worrying about the negative and group B would do less reps, but they would hold and slowly release eccentrically so that there would be more time under tension. The study concluded that Group A got better muscle growth than group B.
Sam sulek is definitely a scienced based lifter. He said, "Let's put as much chemicals in my body as possible like a science project and let's see if I get big." Ha
Ppl annoy me in the gym so much when i start doing partial reps and i feel ashamed if i try to tell them abt partials bc im only 17 teaching someone double my age 😭
Hell no, I've been lifting on and off for a cou0le of years. If any one comes up to me and gives me advice I'll always give it a shot just to see if it really does help. Don't be ashamed, be confident and proud of the knowledge you're willing to share
You would be surprised how much i picked up from the heartbroken teenage kids at my gym lmao! Knowledge has no age! Feel confident to share what you know
Wow, nice! Look at you! In all seriousness, I get more lat soreness out of close grip chin ups than any other pulling variation, tried all grips and wrist positions. Still do pronated and wide grip pulls for variations, but every time it seems like the supposedly bicep heavy pull just slams my lats
The eccentric phase in a lat machine is on the way up, when the lat starts to lenghting again, the concentric phase in case is when you pull the bar down
How tall is Jesse? Jeff's like 5'4 and floats between 165 and 185 or so, shredded to bulked respectively. Jesse looks at least 5 10, what should the difference be in weight for at least a 6 inch height differential? To me, jeff looks like a 225 5 10 fella, only he's 5'4". In any case, Jeff's far more accomplished as a competitive bodybuilder, way more educated, much more focused on the current science and actually trains people as part of his business. It'd be stupid to assume Jesse knows anywhere near as much as Jeff nipples, and it's even more stupid to assume the biggest guy with the best genetics understands the nuances and variables of hypertrophy training more than someone who had to figure out how to grow. You're nuts bro
@@yesimbigwesso doing partials prevents injuries? Jeff makes things so complicated and is known for making these weird exercises that have no superior benefit to the common ones
@@Chris-wh8lm was more so talking about eccentrics rather than partials. I don’t know the validity behind partials and would only recommend sticking to 6-12 reps per set if you want to gain strength/hypertrophy because there is scientific evidence to back that up. If you do 12 reps to failure and then do a few partial reps, then you’re getting into the range for endurance as opposed to strength/hypertrophy.
Sulek being a "science based lifter" in the literal sense 😂😂 He throws into his lifting life every single chemical known to man, talk about playing with a chemistry set 😂😂😂
I completed Airborne school with a partially dislocated shoulder with nerve damage and dislocated rib. Didn't know at the time but you only need one arm to slip.
Sam is using lifting straps so his choice of grip doesnt really matter too much. When youre not using lifting straps though a lot of people find that putting their thumb over the bar reduces the strain on their forearms and helps them target their back more. Just try it out and see if you like it or not.
I feeeeel like lat pull downs work the best for me when I arch my back, pull the bar towards my upper chest keeping the bar pathway entirely vertical/straight, and especially leaning forward on the stretch down. I lift less weight by just a bit but the pump and stretch is insane.. anyone else?
I’m not a gym guy at all but I stay in shape through basic weight lifting with free weights , squats etc, anytime I do any of these types of machines , lat pull down bars, cables etc, I always have a weird injury, I know I’m probably doing it wrong but my introvertness won’t allow me to ask someone to help me . That’s why I just stick to free weights and working out at home .
Makes me happy the science guy said something positive about Sam. I know I know " he's juiced up 💅" but he's obviously doing something fkn insane. My coach kicked me out n iveybeen training TF every movement since then . Pretty crazy lol I'm sore every morning AGAIM but I'll report in few Months 😅
