Jason has experienced 'mobbing' in the workplace, when all his colleagues ganged up on him and told him to stop sexually harassing the female employees.
What a strange man. Talks over Shelagh, gets louder whenever she says anything. His anger bristles over the microphone. You can feel it! Could you imagine what it would be like to work with this man. I think that if hwe was 20 years younger and he would have been out on the streets with the rest of his ilk
@@syttt7925 At about 9:40 you can see him getting fed up having to explain things to a woman cos a woman doesn't get it. His colours are well up the mast about his views!
Jason has told us wayyyyy more about himself than he realises. Going to take a stab in the dark and he's behaved poorly and everyone treated him appropriately and now he feels like a victim rather than actually sorting his behavior out.
Exactly what I was thinking - Freud would have a field day with this guy. Sadly you just know he'd be in complete denial following any kind of analysis.
It could also be that he was badly treated, singled out by work colleagues and he didn't want to take it further or was dismissed by management. I think his anger prevented him from making his point in a sympathetic way
@@mickboon9831 he said the things that women and “feminised men” do are not things that someone in their right mind would do. IMO if there was a group of people against him he probably instigated it
@@gRapa9900 He probably expressed his opinion, got negative response from them, whined to management, appeal was disregarded, so might have made the situation worse for himself.
He’s contempt for women shines through in this call as clear as day. Everytime Shelagh speaks he raises his voice and you can hear the anger boiling up in him. I used to strongly dislike these type of people but now I pity them. What a miserable outlook!
@@JayBond-s5j How am I projecting? The guy clearly was not calling in to discuss. He constantly talked over and had a closed minded malevolent attitude. That was self-evident. I cannot imagine even he would deny that. - If you disagree with my summation, then persuade me otherwise. I would be genuinely interested to read your alternative take on the nature of that call.
I can just hear the likes of Elon Musk and Andrew Tate channeling through this pillock. His use of the petty nickname “two tier Kier” just solidified that.
Look at how Huw Edwards was treated. Kept on full pay until he went to court. Jermaine Jenas hasn't even been spoken to by the police. Yet is sacked. This is ignored by this clown.
He was listening, he was constantly rudely interrupted, by a person who does that for a job and who was obviously trying to rile him. You are a poor judge.
Is that what you heard? He's not great at speaking publicly but all the scientific literature on psychology is in on this. Women are most likely to start rumors and lies and ruin people's reputations when they have disagreements. Women are not covered under the law for this in any way shape or form. The host is lying.
sounds more like hes maybe had a relationship with someone at his work which didn't end well and the other person maybe gossiped about him and now he's upset about it
I think he just read about "moving", and didn't retain the different term in his head. I have heard "moving" being used in scenarios where people is assigned dead-end tasks, or no tasks at. They are "moved" out of the way, just to wait until they give up and resign. No idea whether that counts as harrasment.
This is what’s happening to my dad which is sad. Unable to have a conversation, thinks he’s the victim and that anything that doesn’t benefit him is an issue.
Mine too. Men of a certain age unfortunately - raised in one set of gender dynamics and then totally caught out / unable to change in middle age when the landscape has shifted. Too used to having all the power and privilege and unable to socially function when that power has been reduced
@enquirer2.0: What a brilliant description. This strange guy fits that profile brilliantly: a bully who runs away when his behaviour is challenged, then plays the victim.
Because he’s white & British & male? Why is it when a man who’s white & British opinions there called racism misogynistic it’s getting boring . A black man can come out & talk about he’s hard life racism against him etc & a woman can come out & say stuff about men but they’ll never get called sexist or misogynistic.
'Feminised' bullying = without violence? 'Most right-thinking people'.. always a get out clause. Jason obviously has issues with women (or 'feminists' as he sees them) and maybe needs to look up constructive dismissal too. "I've been criticised for a whole range of reasons...by women!" No! Really, Jason?!!!!!!
@@fredsmith1970 Maybe u fellas are just to sharp for me,but I assumed he was referring to Labour Laws Code or employment Laws? .Usually ( or it once meant) Laws pertaining bet the Employer,Employee & a Union.
@@jerryoshea3116 in the UK one of the main political parties, and the current ruling party in government, is Labour. So, whilst labour is a synonym for "work" here in the UK and in the US, Labour (capital L) is a political party. The caller was referring to laws passed by the Labour Party, since they return to government, of which they haven't passed any (as yet). So any law he's really referencing was already in place.
@@fredsmith1970 I think they only just got elected in Juky did they not? So as much as the Woke,PC,former Human Rights Activist PM has been woking O/T ,they weren't really responsible for Labour/ Labor Laws in the UK for last 14 yrs...were they!
I was SA'd at work, stalked, and received almost daily inappropriate comments. These incidents were carried out by different men with no affiliation to each other. It started in 2008 when I was 19 and working on a university campus. I went to the Police for the stalking and SA (different men) they sent the on campus PCSO to "have a chat with them." Fortunately, my Dad also worked there and put the worst offender in a wheelie bin, I was left alone after that.
Poor Jason believes he's allowed to do what he wants at work without repercussion. When he gets called out for it, and the workplace turn their backs on him, he's suddenly the victim and wants a law to protect him.
He probably had a wife who every time she tried to say something to him or answer a question, would have him shouting at her, even yelling... She left him. ( this being the optimistic scenario..!!) With a guy like him, it could never work with any woman..!!!
The caller has issues with females in the workplace, and he didn't like a complaint made against him and hated the rules. And now all women are paying such Shelagh here.😂😂 ( if between the lines is a monologue)
As a man who has been sexually harassed and assaulted in the workplace (7 times in the last 3 years)...it is neither rare nor unlikely. It's far worse for younger women. It is mentally and emotionally devastating. It's literally ruined my life
@@susanbishop5228 3 were while working in pubs, 4 while performing as a musician. Several of them had witnesses and have been reported to the police. You can believe whatever you wish to believe, but I know my life. I know the effect it's had on me and my psyche
@@edb2863 It sounds terrible, I hope things get better with time, I had nothing like this, my wife has and so I understand somewhat, it can be devastating.
This caller is obliquely attempting to make the latest BBC sacking seem like a 'feminist' issue as though the accusations made (whatever they are) are trivial and should be ignored. However, the caller has no clue as to what the alleged offence is and nor does anyone.
If you are able to say, out loud, that "youve been criticised for a whole bunch of reasons, by women, and also not only by women" and im assuming you mean in the workplace, im afraid you do need to take a look in the mirror. Ive worked for 35 years. And to my knowledge never been criticised by a woman on even one reason.?
He's definitely the office pervert. Why should anyone be penalised because women are more likely to be sexually harassed?! The law is for everyone, it just happens to women more, I'd love for that not to be the case!
This is the sort of guy you never want to be alone with at a party or out for a drink. He’d bore the pants off you & you wouldn’t get a word in edgeways.
Have you ever walked into an office and found someone so grumpy, sullen, and moody that you were scared to approach them? When you make an inquiry, their answers don't get any better, and they are laced with soft insults and ridicule. It's passive aggressive workplace bullying.
I think Jason could do with some guided counselling to help him understand where his views don't appear to match up with reality. He appears to be unable to view his behaviour as a possible part of a problem and shows that he struggles to express himself properly in conversation - which may be the thing that has led to what has clearly been an unpleasant experience for him
Wow! Jason has revealed to the nation that he is, at the very least, a bully in the arena of conversation, someone who feels that only his own opinion is valid and deserving of being heard. Why do I get the feeling that that particularly applies when a woman is trying to get a word in edgewise?
I hear his frustration And i get his point The reality is No one cares especially at work Just let it consume you And be like everyone else Then there be no issue 😁
Other topics mentioned are for the police - see Offences against the Person Act 1861, the Criminal Justice Act 1988, Crime and Disorder Act 1998, Sexua* Offences Act 2003, and Protection from Harassment Act 1997. On harassment the UK has strict criminal harassment laws, for example 2 unwanted text messages even non-threatening. Consent cant be withdrawn retrospectively.
If the caller had been female, would they be asked have you tried using the existing laws? Isn't that victim blaming? The guy's language is clumsy and old fashioned but Shelagh patronising and dismissive responses are out of line too. End of the day, the story that started this debate is a guy who has not been found guilty (yet) in a court of law but has lost his job as he's already guilty in the court of public opinion. Same thing does happen in the workplace, example Chris Avalon of Interplay/Obsidian who faced false allegations, found totally innocent but by then his career is destroyed. Look through to comments on this video to see how many empty headed sheep are willing to just nod along and believe allegations without seeing any evidence.
He didn’t come across well and didn’t make his point well but he is right that in the U.K. there is no legal definition of bullying. It may fall under the definition of harassment within the Equality Act BUT ONLY IF it pertains to a protected characteristic.
Has this man seen ALL of the texts that Jenas sent because if he hasn't then why is he making a judgement call?. To be honest he seems that he knows a little too much about this type of action. Is it me or does he seem to have an axe to grind? Here is my question -"Jason what thing or things have you done at work that you're now alluding to in a VERY roundabout fashion with a feeling of both confused guilt and self righteousness"?.
"If I have a problem at work, I go to HR." "There should be a law." HR policies and laws *are different things.* If you have a problem with someone's behaviour and that behaviour is against a law (or even *might be* against a law, even if you don't know which one specifically), you don't go to HR, you go to the *police.* If you have an issue that you take to HR, you have to be satisfied with an HR resolution to your issue - mediation or financial penalty or demotion or suspension or dismissal. You can't expect jail time or community service to be handed out by the HR department. If you believe you have been unfairly targeted by your colleagues or your HR department, you can either change your job or ask the legal system to intervene. Plenty of women have taken their employers to court over unfair suspension or dismissal which they experienced after reporting bad behaviour to HR. Men can do that too. If you really believe that your colleagues are a 'mob' who are picking on you unfairly, then you can use the legal system too. It's available to everyone. If you don't use the system, that's your choice. But it doesn't mean that the system doesn't exist. If you attempt to use the system to complain about the treatment you have received from your colleagues and it turns out that there are reasons for it - such as *your* behaviour - then it may not go well for you. You don't see many men suing their former employer for unfair dismissal when the dismissal was for cause on the grounds of harassment of staff.
BTW: employment law catches bullying under discrimination laws (i.e. on grounds of protected characteristics, the "offended" law - and they have a hierachy which is why age and disability hate crime is often overlooked). Here damages can be uncapped which is why they are taken seriously. Someone who is a target on other grounds or who cant prove say discrimination might get unfair dismissal but compensation maximum is £21K so not worth it. As the caller says there are no specific generic bullying/mobbing laws within employment law which apply to everyone and it might be tricky for a mobbing target to use criminal fraud law because mobbing often involves collusion and obtaining evidence isn't easy.
The point he was making is that women are most likely to make a complaint against a man whereas men tend not to complain as it comes across as weak.....and employers have a tenancy to laugh it off.
Women or more likely to go to HR if some guy merely tries to chat them up whilst a man will let that go aa part of life. What women now deem harassment doesn't have to be persistent unwanted troubling behaviour.. I could just one text saying you're hot I fancy you
@@daenbrown830rme. That would be a block. It would be HR if you did something else. But you, unlike a lot of/most men in this thread, just don't recognise those actions.
That was not a conversation, and not intended to be. calls into these radio stations seldom are. During a normal conversation you are not walking on eggshells and whether you might get muted, be insulted, talking with someone who doesnt get the topic but insults you as if you dont etc...
There are other crimes that might be relevant in such scenarios: for example fraud, blackmail, extortion, cyber-stalking and money muling. Slander/defamation is civil law and for someone of low income background not usually a feasible option, and in any event requires evidence and hence mobbers typically thrive on secrecy.
Some better background check questions on an application form might include the following to check out real attributes. Answer YES or NO to the following questions. Whether found out or not, are you or have you ever been at work? * a scheming fraudster (look up definitions of fraud yourself) * a thief at work, say by indirectly stealing an elder persons life savings (look up definitions of thief yourself) * a mobber, for example sabotaging a high-performer from the workplace because you are entitled and jealous (look up definitions of mobbing in the workplace yourself) * used delegated power or se***lity to to take advantage at work or to obtain favours at work * committed slander/defamation on the internet about work colleagues (look up definitions of defamation/slander yourself) * cheated on any exam or job application test by eliciting help of others or otherwise *misused performance appraisals systems giving high praise to undeserving/incompetent corrupt cronies and poor feedback to to high performers because you were jealous and didnt like their accent * misused power in the workplace to benefit yourself * made false expense claims * a nasty bit of work with a fake persona
How she reacted right at the end about platting his hair proves his point, if that was a male host and said a snarky dig at the end like that to a women therr would be uproar
He sounds like what he thinks he is saying is right! He cannot stand anyone having an opinion different to him especially a woman. First time caller who can’t draw breath.
These days, young women just do not put up with men's inappropriate behaviour, they call them out. I am in my 50s & was discussing with a friend our lives as young women & it was horrifying what we were expected to put up with. Thank goodness, the world has moved on. Unfortunately, men like Jenas continue with this behaviour, it is his own fault. He chooses the behaviour, he experiences the consequence. There is a serious issue with misogynist attitudes in young men encouraged by Andrew Tate & his ilk. Recently as a teacher, I have experienced this after being harassed on social media by a 10 yr boy. He picked exclusively on older, female teachers. It was extremely distressing & there is minimum we can do, we have to put up with it as part of the job. Needless to say, I am now looking at early retirement.
