They don't have facts or have the mental capacity to have a discussion so they call people names like call them whatever you want outside of a debate but a debate is not name calling doesn't make you right. I think Destiny just enjoys listening to them just spout of BEEEETTTTAAA.
@@paulkerrigan9857 idk ive never in my life looked at someone and thought this guy is a beta male or alpha male in America is beta male like a pussy? Idk if its just me but idc wtf people are im to selfish
I think he's playing a character, but this character is very much NOT far from real JLP. But I agree, there's something disturbingly amusing to watching this guy.
They didn whine, they pointed out how horrible he is, and will be. Nobody with a brain can say hes not destroying our country, and hes not even 6 months in...
@@FrankDaBank25 ha ha ha. Gasp* the horror of a stimulus bill and payments to the American people! The horror of an expanded child care tax credit! The horror of not making sure transgender people aren't discriminated against and can serve their country in the military! OH THE HUMANITY! QUICK! I can already feel my urge to put on a sickle and hammer shirt! Save me they are turning me COMMUNIST! Won't someone think of the Dr Seuss estate who got cancelled but didnt really actually because no one but his own estate made the decision without any outside pressure! Save me!
I'm starting to believe that JLP is the most committed Borat-type impersonator who realized that inviting Destiny over and over again allows him to take a break while Destiny dunks on the people that follow him.
Not to mention, he totally high-jacked that point that was about non tax payers not being able to vote being mostly black and latino and pivoted to whites are a bigger population with a higher number of people not voting (raw numbers obviously).
I was a destiny hater for a long time. But he kept coming across my feed as I watched other debaters. Over time I've grown to admire his approach and watching dude walk into a vat of stupidity undaunted. I don't think many other youtube personalities would be so bold.
I really enjoy him too and his approach to handling stupid. Sometimes I doubt the efficacy. I hate to compare him to a crowder as ultimately I believe his is more intelligent but his taking strong arguments to stupid people across the aisle was an interesting parallel. I will also say Destiny tends to be more honest with the data he employs than crowder. I really respect that. His biases are heavy af though just like crowder and shapiro.
@@bradleyh4532 I disagree with some of his takes, he's not far enough left for me to like him simply based on policy. And he will often use right wing talking points against people further left than him.
That guy is a beast no joke! Love that he put it out there that joe hasn’t been a president so how are you comparing them? What a senator had the ability to do and a president are vastly different.
That one dude just saying “you’re right” anytime he gets frustrated is so childish dude it’s embarrassing, that’s how five years olds argue it’s pathetic
He's a smarmy dick. When he was asked about the definition of per capita, he incorrectly answers, then condescendly says "well I'm sure Destiny will have a different answer because he's always right.". He didn't know the answer and that was his was of trying to back out of it.
He still acts like that under protection. Does destiny talk to people like that in bars? Clubs? In restaurants, out shopping. This isnt consider civil and most people dont speak to each other the way destiny does
@@amir_soldier That Joe guy did get shit on you're right man 🤣🤣🤣 when they got mad at destiny's arguments they had to resort to middle school tactics "no you're right, I'm wrong" because they were so defeated, it was so good !
It must be nice to get up on stage, have everyone doubting you and booing you about biden covid etc, and being 100% right on everything. god I'd be rock hard rewatching this if I were destiny
@@michaelellis772 just off the top of my head he’s right about the fact the Breonna Taylor wasn’t a criminal. The dumbasses in the audience were just pulling shit out of their ass. She was not a criminal and even if she was she didn’t deserve to die. So he was right about that but much more too I’m just not gonna put it all here
@@michaelellis772 this is actually my first time watching destiny . had no idea who he was before this lol whatever debate topic ur thinking of .. still doesnt take away from the fact that he was right about biden winning so idk what ur on about
Lol. I loved watching the Hillary supporters crying after Trump won and before the election I was thinking: wouldn’t it be really funny if trump lost and I could see them freak out too. Be careful what you wish for I guess.
"stormed the Capitol" they were quite literally allowed in. There's videos of Capitol Guards opening barricades and waving them in. Even as they marched through the halls of the Capitol building.. you can see Capitol Guards at attention right beside them. Welcoming them in. There was legit no resistance. And yet the media paints it as if they "overwhelmed" the guards and "breached" the Capitol. How convenient lol
@@IDKHeist the hundreds of thousands at the scene of the Capitol were all white, right? I take it that includes the Black Lives Matter activist - whose black - that they identified in the Capitol Building too, right?
@@DistrictN9ne There were people maced and bruised. There was a police officer who died from being bashed in by a fire extinguisher. So no not all the guards were there to simply let these people in.
It's really sad how many people are just terrible at math. I don't expect everybody to be John Nash, but it seems like understanding very basic probability and statistics is too much to ask of a lot of people these days.
I really don't think y'all understood his point. Either that or just like Destiny, you wanna ignore it and call someone stupid. That's why Joe said "you're right". Have y'all ever heard of the term don't stoop to dumb people's level because they'll drag you down there?
@God of the Hebrews basically what you're saying is JLP is so dumb that a rap video is more educational than listening him debate for over 2 hours? Yeah seems about right
The definition of the word "disproportionately" isn't even stats 101. I'd be slightly forgiving if they were actually talking about t-tests, basic regressions, or confidence intervals. This is just impressively stupid.
Destiny will never get enough credit for walking into a lions den like this, live. So many streamers who try to pick fights with him to boost their channels would be terrified to show up to something like this.
they literally gave him credit and clapped for him at the end. I definitely commend Destiny for doing this and the JLP show multiple times. He's def not strong in his beliefs because you can see when he dodges but at least he has the guts to look stupid spouting them, even though that rarely happens cuz of his 99 dodging skills.
@Nick Bacigalupo A policy is being signed into place, it will affect 18 blue people and 30 green people the population of blue people is 500 while the population of green people is a trillion. Which group would you say is more affected by this policy?
when the guy running for office went on the tangent about black people not voting completely missing destinys point i died inside, then he said it disproportionately affects white people cuz theyre the majority my dead body died
The guy sitting next to Destiny learned how to argue from Trump, just interrupt everything the other person says and pretend what you just said was a real response to a question.
OMG when he fucking made the comment about speaking fast and you sound right, I was like, LOOK IN THE FUCKING MIRROR DOOD? I mean the guy spoke so fast sometimes he wasn't getting words out.
Those guys aren't as scary to me as Daily Wire guy. Right off the bat he comes out with the 'Democrats are a socialist party that hates the 1st and 2nd amendment'. He's articulate enough where he doesn't sound like a complete dunce saying it and I think people actually listen to that guy. This is the kind of guy that I picture boomers like my mom listening to and believing
Are you serious? That’s all Destiny does is interrupt. His whole debate strategy is just act like he can’t believe what the other person is saying and interrupt them.
@@monilith811 There's no way you mean that in good faith. Destiny for sure yells a lot but you can't watch this debate with Joe here and think that Joe doesn't just yell over him every time Destiny tries to complete a thought. Destiny usually seems to match another persons energy or go just a bit over them and in this case this guy came out the gates screaming. What do you want Destiny to do, just let him scream over him while Jesse ushers on the next topic without letting Destiny respond?
He seemed fined at first, then he went on a whole spiel about how all COVID deaths are fake and the cost of hospital beds and tirade of other conspiracy theories... what's the point of debates like this when the people you're talking to live in an entirely different world where they can hand wave 250k more dead people away? EDIT: "I don't vaccinate my children" oh my god, just when I thought he couldn't get any worse. EDIT2: I just looked it up and it looks like he lost pretty badly in the election so there's that.
How ... Is this real? The audience laughter to jesse saying things like "I'm black and slow so I don't understand numbers" and "you jews always messing things up" seems like some sort of absurdist Eric andre sketch
The anti-vax segment seems so absurd it felt like i was watching something staged or it was an eric andre skit minus the funny. Being anti-vax during a pandemic. Only in america.
@@L0neSiPh0n the host is a knuckle dragger. “DOES IT SACRE YOU THAT BLACK PEOPLE VOTE FOR TRUMP?!” I fell like he generalized destiny based off his skin color. Ignorance at its finest.
@@user-gc1wj8tt2p Without linking a website that supports the movement, explain to me how BLM is an organization. Also can you give me time stamps on where Destiny pivots?
@@nsaylor9 there is an organization called Black Lives Matter, but the majority of people out there protesting are doing so using the slogan and are not affiliated with any organizations
@@nsaylor9 The reason I wanted evidence beyond the website is, people will affiliate the website and whatever contents it contains with people who protest in the name of BLM. Unless the website specifically states that they are planning a riot in some city or something (which it doesn’t), there is no evidence that connects the two, which is why I was curious to see if they could provide evidence that did. And I’m still waiting on those timestamps.
you can FEEL Destiny holding back on Joe Collins not wanting to embarrass him about not understanding "per capita" or the meaning of "disproportionate"
nah, Joe Collins was right. it's just that Destiny is racist, he has the "soft racism of low expectations" and thinks black people will always lead the worst stats, because deep inside he actually believes they are inferior, just like every leftist did since Karl Marx. in fact, most people that are unemployed in the United States are young, white men. so if there was a law that said only tax payers could vote, most people that wouldn't vote would be actually white. Destiny is just a condescending, schopenhaueristic arguer. He always argues character and comes from a positivist epistemology background, he cannot argue in logic (even if he thinks he does, because he confuses logic with empiricism), much less understand ontological arguments. He will NEVER talk economics because he knows his keynesian bullshit can easily get thwarted by a more sowellian or even austrian approach to economics. He is an SJW through and through, just a more sophisticated one. He would never, ever, ever argue with a real conservative.
@@ArnoSchmidt22 Joe said that it can't be disproportionate because there are so many more white people than black people. No matter how you try to spin it, this is a misunderstanding of the word disproportionate.
@@kidpen nope, it isn't. trying to make it about proportions is trying to advance a false premise. only people that care about equity think in proportions when it relates to groups. only collectivists. but groups don't matter, individuals do.
@@ArnoSchmidt22 but Joe's argument was not that proportions don't matter, it was that population size is relevant to whether a stat is disproportionate, which is untrue.
@@kidpen and Destiny's argument was that the proportion of a group of people voting matters (which tells you that he's actually racist and thinks black people all think the same) which is untrue. so they were both wrong.
the fact that jesse lee peterson struggles so much with the frankly rudimentary concept of holding a microphone to his mouth is all you need to know about his intelligence
There are several kinds of intelligence. Jesse Lee Peterson is quite warming. Destiny is chill to frustration rant but not totally bad. Jacket Politician Black Guy- Idk he Black. Middle Ground Black guy- he’s chill And the bald guy- fair not much more since he didn’t have a lot of talk time.
Lmao... I actually had some minor respect for him, until I saw this debate. He was so immature and there were some topics where he struggled badly. He regurgitated numbers, yet didn't understand them. I thought he was more open minded, but this video showed me how close minded he really is. I'm not the biggest Destiny fan either, but at least Destiny knew and admitted when he wasn't sure about something. This guy just acted immature even when some valid points were brought up.
@Robert F Uhu, sure Fred... Trump's losing every lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit. If there was "soooo much evidence" out there, then why are Trump's lawyers struggling so much to provide any evidence?
@@brunolevilevi5054 I’ve honestly noticed children that weren’t vaccinated as babies and they just seem... “faster” than vaccinated kids. Not like vaccines give people autism or anything like that, but as someone who used to babysit, I’ve noticed a difference
@@hurkamur1 which is true and I know he claims to want to fix it... but he is unfortunately going about it the wrong way. You can’t buck the system because you don’t understand it. Same can be said about our president. Hopefully the country has learned and we write our wrong today. If not 4 more years of this and it will be the new norm. We will deserve everything that comes our way.
I would KILL for a Biopic of Jesse Lee Petersons life leading up to his show. Seriously, it must be the most unbelievable sequence of events ever witnessed. Also, "PTSD, Post Traumatic Slave SynDrome..." wtf?
just remember you're thanking a dude who doesnt see why a white dude saying the N word is a problem lol...other than that, was an entertaining video for sure
@@dvderek the audience and even the guy arguing with destiny didn’t know the difference between per capita and whole percentages…….and the dude is running a political campaign 😂😂
@@The0Matador0 no. He means he was right about Biden winning. Also, I would argue its much more douchey and passive aggressive to refuse to argue with someone while ur literally on a debate panel and instead say "ur right ur right" sarcastically. Not to mention his passive aggresive ad hom attacks where he was throwing shots at Destiny's intelligence.
@Meat Grinder Mike I felt like he was more in the 'I can spend thousands of hours of my life (like everyone else on the stage) thinking about this, worrying about this etc or I can just live my life knowing nothings going to change for me regardless
1:01:43 he's clearly never been in the military. From firsthand experience i can tell you: You do not, under any circumstances, use a knife in close quarters combat with someone who has a gun. Even if they don't, you always resort to a firearm first, and anything else last. The same is most likely taught in the police force. Because a gun is always, no matter the distance, more dangerous than a knife.
18:25 "40% of them died in Democrat States." I'm not American, but is there something like a centrist state? Because if not, it would mean that 60% died in Republican States.
No, 40% died from the orders to send COVID-19+ residents back to the nursing homes, where they proceeded to infect vulnerable populations in those homes who also died and are counted in that tally. The rest died from other exposure. And more importantly, no Republican state gave that order, unlike Cuomo and his squad.
@@Slayer8957 Dude, I hate Cuomo, but you’re drinking the kool-aid, the nursery story is false. I’m sure you can find a real story that makes him look bad, it’s not hard.
Yup because most republicans don't understand that everything they say or do in argument is directly influenced by their current party leader. Trump says pigs fly and the media's been lying to them about it, they'll believe it.
I love this Jerry Springer version of Destiny. Basking in the hate as people in the audience scream in rage. Trolling all of them mercilessly. Made my day. You love to see it
@@raz1572 Yeah, I mean I understood what was happening there. That Joe guy was being extremely bad faith but that audience was like a high school gymnasium cheering over stupid drama. To them the long silence was an own on a libcuck. I think Destiny was just stuck because that guy spoke back to him right after Destiny's stat comment with not even a complete sentence. I'm too lazy to watch it back but I'm pretty sure Joe missed some words in his own sentence.
If you asked him he’d say “he did win in a landslide!” Lol no getting through to these people. Hopefully someone in the audience had some opinion slightly shifted.
But he sucks..... He absolutely sucks when it comes to approaching any topic with intellectual honesty.....lol..... It's completely beyond me why anyone would think he's smart.
Destiny explaining what pr capita means Conservative who answers: "this is why democrat politics never work, they're too confusing" Aka he is just too stupid to understand, or too arrogant to say he doesnt understand wtf it means
I thought all panalists wwere fine EXEPT THAT GUY. OMFG the idea that this guy was running in politicis is actually terrifying never have I heard someone have no idea what they were saying and stummbled over their own words.
Well you have the answer in your question. Trump supporter. Heck his leader does not know what tariffs are. He also doesn't know about per capita either. 2 things you definitely need to know.
Same reason leftists don’t when it comes to terror attack Most people pick the numbers that support their belief, they don’t form a belief based on the numbers
@@tonygunk4793 Islam is a conservative religion. or are you implying antifa are terrorists and if they are theyre the worst ones. right wing terrorists constitute for the 98% of deaths caused from terrorism.. soo....
Yeah I’m not sure what was worse, this dumbass Joe guy who doesn’t understand what disproportionate means, or the audience who clapped at Joe for not understanding what it means
Imagine being Steven, imagine being brazen enough to go to a place where everybody disagrees. Then when they all start booing, you just start laughing. Give me the strength Lord
Imagine thinking you just schooled someone when you can't make a distinction between a per capita stat and an absolute stat. That "you're right, I'm wrong" tactic is the weaseliest shit I've seen in a long time, that's a new one for me. I'd really like to see Klavan and Destiny sit down and talk more though.
Saying to someone, "you're right, I'm wrong" Is just a way to signal to the audience that your right, and signal to your opponent that they're also right. So if they try to keep talking, you make it seem like the conversation is over but the entire audience already knows you won
I agree about destiny and klavan. I dont think the folks at The Daily Wire are dumb. I mean Ben is literally a harvard grad. I think a debate between TDW members and Steven would be great
@@bleepbloop6303 right, and I also think the temperament of DW employees could be helpful. Plus tbh a convo between destiny and Michael Knowles would be fucking hilarious
DANG....I'm a Republican, but that being said, Joe Collins was embarrassing himself on that debate on voting. Good stuff, Destiny, I enjoy listening to you even if I don't fully agree with everything you say. (Destiny's one of the better Liberals)
