Little did Archie know that Rob has a particular set of skills that he has become quite effective in demonstrating. He will find you Archie and he will kill you.
Jessica Lange is one hell of an actor, her versatility always amazed me. She has this effortless screen presence and brilliant persona which adds on her outstanding craft of acting. Supremely talented and astonishingly gifted actress of all time- Jessica Lange. But I feel she is underrated.
Concordo su quello che hai detto nella prima parte, però sottovalutata non direi, dopotutto è stata definita una delle migliori attrici della sua generazione, due Oscar e tanti altri premi vinti, il suo lavoro è sempre stato ripagato e apprezzato da pubblico e critica, diciamo solo che è molto meno al centro dell'attenzione rispetto a Meryl Streep per esempio (con tutto rispetto per Meryl) Jessica se ne sta più in disparte ma non per questo deve essere considerata inferiore, perché non lo è affatto... Io la adoro, è la mia preferita
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Jessica Lange is one of the greatest actresses to ever live. It's shameful that the best actors rarely get the recognition from Hollywood that they've earned.
Umm 2 Oscar's a Tony Golden globes and I think 2 or 3 Emmys. Trust me she has been recognized lol. Great actress. Both her and meryl streep who by the way loves Jessica.
@@jamesdoe3713 that's true. What I mean is, as one of the greatest living actresses, she deserves her flowers, PUBLICLY. A lot of people don't even know who she is, yet she is just as good, if not better, than Meryl Streep! Jessica Lange needs more roles.
In the image from 3:13 to 3:27, it’s obvious that Mary wants to break down and wail in emotional agony and shame, but, she’s even more determined to NOT give Cunningham the satisfaction of seeing and hearing her do it; she was, toward HIM at least, a hater indeed, and justifiably so
She's not at wailing and crying just yet, when someone gets really really hurt, it takes a while before they can release their pain in that way. She's in shock, shut down, numb. That's partly why it took her so long to leave the burning house. Look at her eyes, she doesn't look like she's about to cry, she looks distant, barely there. Someone in this state often feel like they're outside their body, or indifferent, dead. Fortunately, with Alasdair later, she's able to react differently and in a more healing way. It's a fantastic and very realistic performance.
@@justinwillingale2086 no, you seem to have got your history a bit mixed up! We fucked a lot of Scottish women in Malaig when their husbands were busy out catching fish, and we left our dirty English seed inside them, to breed some sense into the Scots!
@@abritandhisbikeinpoland6802 that’s cool the way of the world I guess under England now I pumped my filthy Australian convict seed inside each time a fine educated English woman goes abroad. Revenge is a dish best served with some quim in the morning
@@nomadjensen8276 She was prepared to endure this traumatic experience- and possibly raise a child sired as a result of it- and conceal all knowledge of it to protect the life of her husband, since she knew he could get himself killed (as he very nearly did). She also stood alone against an enemy and faced her house being burned and her livestock slaughtered while the rest of her clan deserted her, without shedding a tear until the enemy was out of sight. That's bravery in my book.
'They say it's not a sin if you don't get any enjoyment from it'. How's that for 'shit rape counselling, 1700s edition'?! This scene is just so rich in character development. I think everyone acts their part so brilliantly. Even though Killearn is Cunningham's goon, Killearn IS genuinely revolted by the rape. He's a coward who does nothing to stop it, but he does want to make her feel better somehow (perhaps to ease his own guilt, in being involved in Cunningham's disgusting behaviour). So he says that. Whilst I think his intention to comfort her is genuine, he hasn't anywhere near adequate sensitivity to understand the rape's true effects. He is completely missing the point. For one thing, she certainly DOESN'T want someone involved in Cunningham's atrocities trying to 'comfort' her. That's kind of a paradox to her, especially since she DOES have self-worth (she doesn't 'need' the 'help' of a man basically complicit in the crime). For another thing, he seems to be wrongly assuming she feels she has committed some religious trespass in 'being raped'. I don't think she actually blames herself for the rape at all (despite still feeling violated, humiliated, etc.) She recognises the responsibility is on Cunningham and his associates. But more than that - this isn't about 'religion' to her, or feeling in violation of external 'standards' (religious or otherwise). This has affected her on a deep level as her OWN person, and attacked her personal sense of dignity, safety, etc. So Killearn is completely misunderstanding what the rape has done to her - even though he does understand it has done her damage. He also insults her in thinking a single comment from him will make things 'better', given the gravity of what has happened. But at least he has the awareness to look ashamed and skulk off, when his comment is clearly unhelpful. That contrasts majorly with Rob's brother's reaction. He doesn't even have to put it into words, the gravity of what has happened. You can see his distress from his face and demeanor. Indeed, he even starts saying 'what have they done?' after he has already realised she has been raped. I think that reflects his understanding, the effects of the rape on her are so serious, they can't be undone or put into words. He's genuinely distraught for Mary for what has been done to her PERSONALLY. He starts talking about avenging HER - as a person. He recognises she as a person has been violated, and you can see from his distress that his compassion/sympathy/anger, etc.,is almost too much for him to bear. That first reaction (that they will 'avenge' her') actually matches the first thing Mary wanted, too- before she decides she has to forego that for now, to protect Rob. Even though he can't know exactly what she's going through, he is far more in tune with how she feels than Killearn. Indeed, he has so much compassion for her ordeal, that he goes against his own desire for revenge - and promises to do what Mary feels she has to do (keep it from Rob). He's going at her pace. He also agrees to those wishes, immediately after she insists that if she can 'bear' the rape, then he can 'bear' keeping it quiet. Again, it shows he has a genuine understanding of what has happened to Mary. He immediately accepts that the rape was far more traumatic for her, than it ever could be for him (even though he's genuinely distraught). He recognises what she feels she needs takes priority over everything else.
Great comment, I absolutely agree with you. Killearn's comment is just utterly repugnant in a situation like that, but as sickening as that is, it really was the normal way of thinking at the time, and he actually believed that it would be a helping comment and a good idea to say it - at least until she stares him back, and he doesn't know what else to do anymore.
"He's a coward who does nothing to stop it" Oh, and what could he have done to stop it, pray tell? =_= He is but a mere subject of the British Crown, while Archibald Cunningham is rich, a titled noble AND an Army officer. Cunningham could have him shot on the spot, jailed for whatever reason he could make up and Killearn would have practically no way out of it safe and sound. What could Killearn have done? Strictly nothing.
Masha Allah beautiful comment And I touche While I was redingote you,may be he is commenting for disguily himself for what he has done...seing someone beeing râpé and do nothing...There is nonsin if There is no plaisur...he hasn t any plaisur Him self Sorry I am not english And yes you right her Brother In law has completly undertand HER
No nudity, no po*nographic sounds or facial expressions, no appealing visuals whatsoever, just a brutal and raw se*ual assault, that's not forced by plot and has an actual impact on stroy and characters. This is how you handle something as horrible and serious as rape, I was going though Berserk manga recently, and I was grossed by all those forced hentai like rape scenes. Thia film is an underrated masterpiece.
I once had a discussion with a man who objected to showing Mary's rape. He said, seeing her dragged into the house by Cunningham and the door shutting was enough. I disagreed, I thought the brutality of the scene (and the dialogue between Cunningham, Mary) was necessary. Interesting discussion though
I agree. I think the point of this scene and the gravity of their violence against the Scots relies on an honest portrayal of how far they wanted to go. I thought it did well to follow it through Mary's point of view, rather than the male's which was common in pre-1990s film. Mary is not only a victim, she is strong because of the secret she has to hold in order to protect her family. Thanks for the comment!
"Mary: "Robert, there are certain things that you must know" Robert: "so....tell me" (typical male response)" Well, yeah. What else should a man say? Straight to the point, no beating around the bush.
It sickens me to think that there's people still against the independence of Scotland. Did your ancestors die for nothing?? Saor Alba Gu Brath 🏴 FREE SCOTLAND 🏴
I absolutely love this scene. It shows so well how devastating rape is. Both in the magnificent acting of Jessica Lange, and in the reactions of Killearn and Alasdair. Killearn is an utter asshole, he's the villain's right hand man. He doesn't try to stop the rape, but we see in his face it's too far, even for a guy like him. Alasdair is innocent and sweet, and the pain in his face at 4:50, when it dawns on him what happened to Mary, just says it all. Noone who watches this can be in doubt about what a disaster rape is. Edit: I've seen the other comments now, and yes they can, I clearly had too much faith in humanity.
Viewed this in a packed restaurant back in my youth, 100+ people, me and my fckd up friend. He burst out laughing during the gripping part, me loudly joining in admiring his total lack of boundries and Insta-hated by everyone. If you where there, forgive us. To much violence and suffering for too long had taken its toll!
If her husband didn't got the loan in the first place nothing of these bad things would ever had happened. (Deaths of the same clan members, the rape of her wife and the destruction of the clans village) Moral of the film: debt equals misery, slavery and destruction.
Rob Roy y sus clanes huyeron en la batalla de GlenShiel abandonando a el regimiento Galicia 240 españoles que habían ido a ayudarlos,que hagan una película de como huyeron.
I went to school with a girl. My brother went to school with her uncle. My brother is 7 years older than me. His parents had him and his brother very far apart.
06:31 Who is the quite burly man with a black coat and a black cockade to his hat who speaks to lord Archibald Cunningham, please? He doesn't seem too thrilled by the whole series of events, to say the least. Is he some good and reasonable acquaintance of Mac Gregor's? Edit: Ah. Mister Killearn.
Simply put; if she didn't come out, it would mean Archie killed her, instead of "just" raping her. That might have consequences, even for someone like Archie and his buddies.
Great relief for that man though as that would have been building up for him for a considerable amount of time I’d say. Overall, just a massive weight off his shoulders…..his sleeping patterns would have improved also 👍
So can I just point out that northern Irish Michelle Fairely aka catelyn stark like Liam he's northern Irish to could have played this much better like Jessica's an icon in her craft but Fucking leave European rolls to the European like ok yes Michelle was young AF when this was filmed probably to young since Jessica looks about 30's 35 ish her character while Michelle was probably in her middle 20's so yea
Isn’t that discrimination tho? Like, if an American actor has the credentials and talent to play the role what’s so bad about them landing the role? Jessica’s performance in this film was stellar and I can’t imagine anyone else doing a better job. Besides, a lot of white Americans have roots in Ireland/England/Scotland and parts of Europe so it’s not like they have no relation to European stories whatsoever. And vice versa, a lot of actors come from the UK to America to audition for American movies and it’s fine. Two English actors have played Peter Parker/Spider-Man in the last decade.
No. I understand when you're talking about representing a group that has been under-represented for the past 50+ years and really don't have a lot of parts. The arguments have been reasonable there. But as a European, I don't care where the person comes from who plays a European part. We aren't under-represented in film and television. I will take exception to people being given a part who can't do the accent. If you can't do the accent, don't take the part.
Hearing the sounds coming from Mary you can tell she had trouble taking all of Archie at the start ! Archie must have been rather “large” His size and hard thrusts stretched poor Mary . So in the end , you can hear that Mary is taking all of Archie quite easily without the earlier pain.
Exactly, in fact i will bet Mary was secretly enjoying it and Archie brought her to a pleasurable climax. After all like Archie said she was a fine fit!
@@BlueSummers101 I guess this is what basement dwellers like you tell yourselves to get over the fact that real women want nothing to do with the likes of you.
@@BlueSummers101 Right, shitbird. What are you, nineteen? You do realize that real life is nothing at all like the pedantic, juvenile musings that you read on Reddit, right? You *do* know that, right?
