Jesus Chooses Whom He Saves 

did He call and chose Judas Iscariot? "And when it was day, He CALLED His disciples to Himself; and from them He CHOSE twelve whom He also named apostles: 14 Simon, whom He also named Peter, and Andrew his brother; James and John; Philip and Bartholomew; 15 Matthew and Thomas; James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon called the Zealot; 16 Judas the son of James, and Judas Iscariot who also became a traitor." Luke 6:13-16

Sara Furtadom Who has ears to hear?..... John 8: 47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. Luk 7: 29 ¶ And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John. 30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him. Matt 21: 28 ¶ But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard. 29 He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went. 30 And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not. 31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you. 32 For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him. Luk 1: 16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God. 17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord. Those who refused to repent were hardened.... Jhn 12: 39 ¶ Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, 40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. If Calvinism is true, then why did God have to harden them to prevent them from believing?

what you said is so shockingly unbiblical regarding the gospel of Jesus Christ that it is beyond absurd. Throughout Scripture God has held man accountable for his own choices.

@@evanu6579 because It is God who chooses.

@@robertfishter2862 So total depravity is false but God chooses by preventing people from believing and allowing others to believe? Is that your position? Kind of like a bouncer at a door where everyone is lined up because they want in but God just keeps most of them out?

@@evanu6579 Rightly Dividing is the Key to understanding. God's sovereignty ever Trumps Man's Decisions.

Meanwhile Mitch is probably praying for you. lol

I don't know Mitch or your situation but I just said a prayer for him and your family...God-bless you 🙏

@@jeaninepetty4923 You just proved Pastor Jeff's whole message.

I’m praying for Mitch 🙏🏼💕

Ha. Just looking at the truth in your heart felt reality. I can only resonate for I am in the same position but I a much worse man than my brother yet he has adopted liberal aberrant theology. He's always LEARNING yet never able to arrive at any sure TRUTH. Very sad but we are to pray, Mitch I'm all in for you big guy. Praise God for Jeff and God using him and for eyes being opened to even have these conversations!

Jeff isn't saying that predestination means we cannot save others through God. Predestination simply means God already knows Everyone who will be saved, but he allows everyone to go through that process to understand the ending they all recieve

Blue Bird were all sinners man it's ok we all make mistakes and were all redeemable thanks to Jesus brotha stay strong keep going forward you'll see your baby again thanks to Jesus.

God is merciful and forgiving to all who turn to him. Remember the thief on the cross and the Lords response. There is more joy in heaven over one sinner who turns then you can ever know. If you repent and believe you will find Jesus to be a perfect savior. May God bless you and keep you always in his care.

Check out Colossions 2:13-14 and Ephesians 1: 1-16

The feeling of recognizing of the Sin is a blessing my friend. Sending love and comfort

Stop having sex or get married. Take the teaching of Christ seriously and he will set you free.

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I'm a non believer and this does not reach me.And I was a Christian for 45 years

Calvinists like "bible, beer and tattoos pastor" Jeff have selective hearing when it comes to verses like that.

We don't do anything to earn the salvation of the Lord, however, we serve God through works, which we will be rewarded for.

When the Angels left their first estate did they retain their freedom of choice? Jude tells us that they did not. Is it possible to Satan tomorrow will decide to worship God? The Bible says it is not. According to the Bible the fallen angels are not free to serve God. The difference is Christ came to save his people from their sin. He gave his life as a ransom for many. The Bible never tells us this of the Angels so the analogy fails. Grace and peace to you.

Mario Alleckna Ephesians 6:6 we are either slaves to sin or slaves to Christ!

Grace Marie Romans 9:10-14 before Jacob and Esau were born or had done anything good or bad God said he loved Jacob and hated Esau is there any Injustice with God certainly not. Grace, that is a beautiful name and it's a wonderful concept meaning" unmerited favor". Simply existing under the federal head of our father Adam we are deserving of death and eternal damnation no human being has ever or will ever deserve Grace that is why it is so beautiful .he chooses Those whom he will give it to even though they don't deserve it. when we here "Jacob I loved and Esau I hated". instead of wondering why God hated Esau we should wonder why God loved Jacob! Sister, if you have ever come across a scripture that you did not understand because it did not fit with what you already believed please keep digging .God's truth is in his word and he will reveal it to you .God bless!

Human sentimentality and Enlightenment philosophy are no substitute for the word of God.

Look at that again......"God so Loved the world" - His creation, that Whosever believes in Him"- those that believe (not everyone) "shall not perish, but have everlasting life" Lauren peace be you.

can i man believe GOD without GOD convicting him. no one seeks GOD

The 'whosoevers' are the ones God the Father has promised to give to the son, in John chapter 6.

Belief is a gift from God

Whosoever believes means whosoever believes. And who believes? Only the regenerate because a dead blind captive child of Wrath is incapable of believing or doing anything else that is pleasing to God and remains that way until the son sets him free.

Man's choice is always to sin.

On top of the overly childish way of discussion.

God our Saviour chooses His chosen ones: 1Cor1: 26-31 Eph1:4 Ph2:13 Ph1:6 1Th5:23,24 2Th2:13 Jam1:18

Daniel Hunter I’d like to challenge you on his teachings of Calvinism. I believe it’s unbiblical. I hold to traditionalism. Let’s talk.

So you say we can't love God in an unregenerate state but we can want to love him in an unregenerate state. Really? I got news for you my friend you cannot do what you do not want to do. Man's will or volition is according to man's desire. Genesis 3 tells us that Eve recognized that the fruit of the tree was desirable to make one wise and therefore took and ate and gave it to her husband who also took it and ate it. You better think about what you're saying. God is at least as much concerned with our desires as with their actions and the Bible says the unregenerate man is God's enemy. Do you expect anyone to believe than an unregenerate man can love his enemy? Even the desire to come to God is itself a gift of God. God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble but even humility and obedience are God's gifts. In fact every good and perfect thing comes down from the Father of Lights according to scripture. You are so so wrong in your conjectures. Grace and peace to you.

@@a.gadfly9109 A. W. Tozer Sermon: The Responsibility of Choice Our Lord Jesus looked after the rich young ruler as he walked away, but He did not follow him or attempt to coerce him. The dignity of the young man's humanity forbade that his choices should be made for him by another. To remain a man he must make his own moral choices; and Christ knew this and permitted him to go his own chosen way. If his human choice took him at last to hell, at least he went there a man; and it is better for the moral universe that he should do so than that he should be jockeyed to a heaven he did not choose, a soulless, will-less automaton. God will take nine steps toward us, but He will not take the tenth. He will incline us to repent, but He cannot do our repenting for us. It is of the essence of repentance that it can only be done by the one who committed the act to be repented of. God can wait on the sinning man; He can withhold judgment; He can exercise long-suffering to the point where He appears "lax" in His judicial administration; but He cannot force a man to repent. To do this would be to violate the man's freedom and void the gift God originally bestowed upon him. Where there is no freedom of choice there can be neither sin nor righteousness, because it is of the nature of both that they be voluntary. However good an act may be, it is not good if it is imposed from without. The act of imposition destroys the moral content of the act and renders it null and void.

Mario Alleckna First off I wrote two long posts refuting your previous post biblically and you did not respond to them at all I assume that's because you are unable to do so biblically. Secondly a w Tozer was a Mystic not a theologian. Whatever you do I hope and pray you don't get your theology from Mr Tozer. I've read Tozer and sometimes he says things that are good but sometimes he says things that are stupid. I read a statement by him that we could use a few more men like Charles Finney. Charles Finney was the beginning of the end for the Christian church. Because of Finney's manipulation tactics decision ISM replaced Christianity in the United States. The reason he supported Finney is because they were both emotionally-driven rather than Bible driven in their theology which means the death of Christianity. If you care to try to support your beliefs with the Bible I'd be happy to discuss it but obviously you're not able to do so. Grace and peace to you.

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Free will is ' the heart is wicked and deceitful above all things...' Free will is 'No one seeks after God, not one.' God's sovereignty is from John 6 etc etc, "ALL the Father has promised to give me will come to me."

So he had to look towards of time to see you would trust in him? That means he learned. Wow! And I thought God was omnipotent!

βούλομαι this Greek word means to will or purpose deliberately which is the same meaning as to choose. God does not look through time to make up his mind. You are gravely mistaken in both your understanding of God and your understanding of scripture. Obviously you're a King James onliest, probably an Independent Baptist which is a huge problem in itself. The 1611 King James, which no one uses by the way, had footnotes and Alternate readings and the translators recognized it to be one of a number of Possible English translations of the inspired Greek manuscripts. Only after the fact did it take on a life of its own like the Latin Vulgate that the Roman Catholics venerated and considered the only valid scriptures for nearly a thousand years. William Tyndale was martyred for translating the scriptures into English based on the same mentality as the King James only people. Think about it!

I've only begun to read your blog and already see where you're heading so I must pause and interject. I can tell already that you've bought into the King James only cult. My guess is you're a fundamentalist Baptist. I know all the apostles wrote in King James English and all but really? Myths can be useful but once they become untenable it should be given up. The 1611 King James had translator notes and Alternate readings Etc but the edited version that all the King James only people use is the Blaney revision from the late 1700s. No one really uses the 1611 King James, they just pretend or think they do. The King James version is fine but it shouldn't be put on a pedestal or setup as a standard like the Roman Catholics did with Jerome's Latin Vulgate translation for over a thousand years. We were warned in that same Bible not to nullify the word of God with our traditions.

antlers 163, Are you referring to Calvinists? I think you are right..... But the sad fact is that Calvinism is an evil doctrine..... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Calvin's doctrine of 'Election and Predestination' is scriptural because it is in the bible..... However Calvin did not know the entirety of the doctrine and added his own understanding without scriptural support...... So Calvinism is Truth mixed with Lies..... which is more dangerous than Lies alone...... I have asked several Calvinists this question, which none of them were able to answer, because it was not taught by John Calvin who himself did not know the answer.... My Question : How did God Choose those whom He will save? Surely God have some basis for His choice.... He did not just pick them at random.... The Answer is: Of course God choose His own children... It is in the scriptures that there are two groups of people in this world, 'The Sheep and the goats' or 'The Wheat and the Tares'.... In the Parable of 'The wheat and Tares', Jesus Himself explained who are these two groups of people, and where did they come from... The 'Sheep or Wheat' are the true children of God, and they will be saved... The 'goats or tares' are of the devil and they are damned..... The Sheep or Wheat are the True children of God not only by creation but by HEREDITY.... I CAN PROVE THIS TO YOU IF YOU ARE INTERESTED.... The Sheep inherited the character of God, The goats inherited the character of the devil..... After the Fall of Adam and Eve, All the children of God are affected and inherited the fallen nature of Adam and Eve, they did not inherit the sin but the sinful nature.... That's why Jesus came to give His life for ransom to save the Elect.... (hope this clarifies you) The elects were fallen and they need to be saved.... There is no OSAS in the scriptures, it is the wrong understanding of John Calvin... All the elect will definitely be saved, not one will be lost.... John 17:12(KJV) ''While I was with them in the world, I kept them in your name: those that you gave me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the '''son of perdition'''; that the scripture might be fulfilled.'' (the son of perdition is Judas, he is not the child of God, but the son of perdition, a goat) Example of Goats : Cain, Judas, some of the pharisees, pharaoh in the time of Moses. Example of Sheep : Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, The apostles except Judas.... NOTE : The difference between the Sheep and the goats.... The Sheep though they are in the fallen state, they still love God and desire to please God, Not the goats, they don't love God but only their selves... (all of us are in fallen state; in sinful nature... but some love God and desire to please God, while others don't love God and don't desire to please God) Calvin's TOTAL DEPRAVITY is a false teaching..... The elect are NOT totally evil, but totally HELPLESS to overcome sin.... That's why we need Jesus Christ to save us, and we need to hear the true gospel because even though we are chosen, we are not aware of the gospel of Jesus Christ, unless we hear it from those who were sent to preach.... Look at Cain, he has no respect to God, he faced God with anger and blamed God for his sin of killing Abel.... How about John 3:16 ? John 3:16(NIV) ''For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.'' ''Whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life''==>>Only the Elect will believe because they are the True Children of God and Have the character of God.... The goats are of the devil, they hate God and don't have the ability to repent... Look at Judas, he prefer to hang himself than to repent of what he has done.... ''Go unto all the world and preach the gospel to all creatures''==>>Only the Sheep will believe the gospel and repent..... Thanks for reading....

Cause of the calvinism?

Castle Charm I encourage you to listen to the scriptures he uses and if you disagree, question your presuppositions

or just read 1 John 2:2

Stumbling Saint 1st John 2:2 was written to a specific audience. This is the meaning of not ours only but the sins of the whole world. Does this mean that Jesus died for the sins of every single individual on the face of the Earth past present and future? Think hard in light of the rest of the Bible before you answer. Have everyone's sins been propitiated? Do you understand the meaning of propitiation? Grace and peace to you.

And its God the Father who draws the chosen ones to the Saviour. People don't come on their own initiative. God is the only Saviour from beginning to end.

And those who come to Him are called by Him. We WONT come to Him without His call.

No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. John 6:44 Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began 2 Timothy 1:9 We are saved by Grace. Grace isn't our doing, we don't create our own Grace. Grace is a gift from God.

Dear mr. Williams I think you're confusing judicial hardening with the total depravity that all men are born with. The Bible says God hardened Pharaoh's heart but that doesn't mean that Pharaoh was a morally upright God-fearing man prior to God's hardening his heart. The point is God didn't want pharaoh to let the children of Israel go because he had determined to make his power known and demonstrate his greatness as it says in Romans 9. Now Pharaoh as an ordinary sinner even though he didn't want to let the children of Israel go might have relented after two or three plagues just to save his own skin but the Lord hardened his heart and Pharaoh also hardened his own heart, so that he would not let the children of Israel go to serve their God even after many plagues because God wanted to fulfill his ultimate purpose which in essence was his own self glorification. I understand you're quite unfamiliar with calvinist Doctrine so it's not surprising that your assumption about what they believe is wrong. Total depravity does not mean that someone is as bad as they could possibly be. It means that they're total being, that is their Spirit soul and body are all dominated by sin so that they are incapable of pleasing God. No one is saved before they are born. The elect come into the world as "children of Wrath like the rest" to use the Bible term. Salvation happens in time and cannot be conflated with election which happens in eternity. The Apostle used the expression "when it pleased God to reveal his son in me". Salvation is of the Lord including the timing of it but it is not to be confused with election. Hopefully this clears up some of your confusion. Grace and peace to you.

I was like I can’t be the only one who noticed 🤣🤣

Do you know how many comments I had to read through to find the first mention of the shirt????😂

@@ChazBell Great minds...

@@tylerbuckner3750 yes, indeed!

Can you give me Scripture that says man has the power, in the flesh, to obey God?

P K your avoiding the issue, which means you see the problem. Justice presupposes freewill.

God gives grace to who? (the humble) and resists who? (the proud) its not a mystery people.. He doesn't "randomly" choose.. the children of Israel were given for our example. read your old testament and STOP taking the NT out of context!!

You are simply saying that God commands people to do things, this in no way addresses whether God chooses them or not. How does God commanding people to do things address whether God chooses them or not?

And why did God chose Israel, because they were humble?

You can be predestined by God and have volition. Unfortunately, people have been deceived into thinking that people have an autonomous free will that can act contrary to their nature which is a great falsehood. The human will or volition is one aspect of the human soul. In fact it is the last of man's faculties that is engaged. Genesis 3:6 "When the woman saw that the tree produced fruit that was good for food, was attractive to the eye, and was desirable for making one wise, she took some of its fruit and ate it." She also gave some of it to her husband who was with her, and he ate it. Do you see how it works? 1st knowledge and sense perception 2nd desire and affection finally volition and choice ( she took and ate ). Our choices are related to our nature, our character, our abilities, our interests, our knowledge and every other thing that make up who we are. Even God has a nature and acts according to his divine nature. The Bible tells us that it is impossible for God to lie. Why? God is Holy and cannot act contrary to his holy nature and remain God. This should not be viewed as a weakness or lack in God but as part of God's greatness. Man also has a nature and always acts within his nature. In fact every creature under Heaven has a nature. A bird can fly according to its nature but it cannot fly to the moon. A man cannot fly at all because that is contrary to his nature but because he is a rational creature you can build a machine that he can fly to the moon. You see we can do what is within our nature and we do not have an autonomous free will that can act willy-nilly or do anything at anytime. Is the devil free to suddenly fall down before Jesus and worship God almighty? No because that is contrary to his evil nature. I hope this has been helpful. I took your question very seriously and desire to be respectful in answering it. I hope this was helpful and understandable. If you have any other questions I would be happy to help if I'm able. Grace and peace to you.

LastCAPatriot The Bible teaches that there are 2 places, which God predestined for people - Heaven or Hell. God created us with a free will. (There were 2 trees in the Garden!) If we were programmed to only do the right thing the second tree would have been a waste. Just because Adam and Eve made a wrong choice doesn't mean we have been turned into robots and lost the ability to choose! And if, as many claim, since the fall we now can only choose evil (not a real choice!) that would mean God changed His original creation, which came with REAL choice. (Is there any Scripture stating that God changed His mind?) God IS love. However, true love can only exist in freedom. Therein lies the quality of our relationship with God, that we freely choose to love Him back. (A woman with a gun to her head might tell you whatever..., but is it true?) Jesus knocks on the door of our heart, He doesn't bulldoze in. We get to choose to answer by opening the door. He calls us, and then we yield or don't. Jesus called Peter, He did not force or somehow make him follow. And the Bible does NOT say that Peter was given a new heart first, before following Jesus. The fact is, throughout the Bible people had to make choices. Joshua asked his people to "choose this day whom you will serve." Do we still have to make right choices as believers today? Are we facing temptations? John said, "I must decrease so that He can increase." This is true for us today. However, we are not forced or coerced into decreasing so that the Holy Spirit can increase in us. We must choose to decrease. On the topic of choices and Hell, by Lee Strobel from his book, "The Case for Faith" Another aspect of Hell that's especially troubling to people is that it's duration is eternal. But what if Hell didn't last forever? Instead, what if God annihilated people - that is, snuffed them out of existence - instead of forcing them to be consciously separated from Him forever and ever? "Surely," I said to Moreland, "that would be more humane than an eternity of regret and remorse." "Believe it or not, everlasting separation from God is morally superior to annihilation," he replied. "Why would God be morally justified in annihilating somebody? The only way that's a good thing would be the end result, which would be to keep people from experiencing the conscious separation from God forever. Well, then you're treating people as a means to an end. "It's like forcing people to go to Heaven. What you're saying is, 'The thing that really matters is that people no longer suffer consciously, so I'm going to snuff this person out of existence in order to achieve that end.' Do you see? That's treating the person as a means to an end. "What Hell does is recognize that people have intrinsic value. If God loves intrinsic value, then He has got to be a sustainer of persons, because that means He is a sustainer of intrinsic value. He refuses to snuff out a creature that was made in His own image. So in the final analysis, Hell is the only morally legitimate option. God doesn't like it, but He quarantines them. This honors their freedom of choice. He just will not override that. In fact, God considers people so intrinsically valuable that He sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to suffer and die so that they can, if they choose, spend eternity in Heaven with Him." I have also posted: A. W. Tozer Sermon: The Responsibility of Choice. Enjoy, and Blessings to you.

Kevin Carney Thank you Sir

Mario Alleckna Thank you Sir

LastCAPatriot It is my pleasure to help you in any way I can my dear brother. Unfortunately Mario doesn't know what he's talking about and is giving you false information. Read my other posts that I have in dialogue with Mario and judge for yourself who is speaking truthfully and who is being honest with a text when the Bible is used. Mario is confusing many things and is not rightly dividing the word of Truth as we are commanded to do. His misconceptions and false thinking have been refuted so completely that now he won't even respond to my posts. Lord willing, you will continue to study scripture and believe what it says. Please continue to listen to Jeff Durbin, he is a God-fearing man who is true to scripture and speaks the true word. Another person on RU-vid who could be helpful to you is James White. He is very knowledgeable about scripture and rightly divides the word of God. Please feel free to post to me and ask any questions you like and, by the grace of God, I will give you an honest answer from the Bible. May the Lord richly bless you in your walk with him. Grace and peace to you.

What are your questions bro?

Matthew 15:6-9 KJV [6] And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free . Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. [7] Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, [8] This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. [9] But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Hebrews 2:9 KJVS [9] But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. "FOR EVERY MAN!" Not "Jesus chooses who he saves" Jeff I gave you 3 passages of scripture that refute the lie that you are preaching and there are many more.

>And yes Mormonism is a cult, but so is Calvinism.< How is Jeff Durbin a Christian if Calvinism is a cult and a false gospel? That makes no sense. I don't agree with Calvinism, but it's completely orthodox and affirms salvation by faith alone in Jesus Christ.

TheCrushmaster yea maybe calling it a cult is a bit to far.

Andrew Matthews - _"WHOSEVER!!!!!!"_ You really need a dictionary if you think that one little word is some entire philosophical and theological treatise for LFW (over other theories of freewill) and against God's sovereign choice. Paul is describing "whosoever" believes, yes, but not how they became the whosoever that believes. Paul already gave that answer in the previous chapter, Rom 9: *_15_*_ For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” _*_16_*_ So then it depends _*_not on human will_*_ or exertion, but _*_on God_*_, who has mercy._ NOT ON HUMAN WILL!

So true! God has chosen but it’s based on our response to the Gospel and all have a chance. Too bad most love their sin too much to get out of the street before the traffic gets them. So simple yet takes a miracle from God only through forsaking sin and taking up Jesus. Even some humble 3 year old gets it.

Your not seeing it....? Isahia confessed who he was, then he was given grace, atonement to be 1 with God again IN THE HEART NOT JUST THE MIND. .

If it's crap then cook up a sermon then friend.....

The Book Of Opinions Opinions chapter 7, verse 11 Love the work you do but this frozen chosen crap makes me wonder.....GOD GIVES US SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS ON WHAT TO DO.

Men have the desire to sin because God wanted them to, so this argument is bankrupt. If creatures only act according tp their nature, then logically Adam's nature was inclined towards sin. We are all damned via the Fall. Why? Because we all would done what Adam did. If we all would have done what Adam did, then his sin was inevitably determined, and we are thus all damned because God wanted us to be. That is definitely just and loving to damn billions of people for doing what you designed them to do.

FEELSonWHEELS weird how people who make up their own version of God think they have a relationship with him.

Amen Dru.The world still hates God and the Christ of the Bible.

Right,God bound both Jews and Gentiles in sin so that He alone could save them. Romans 11;For God has bound up all in disobedience, that He may show mercy to all. This is Paul speaking to the Gentiles about the Jews,ALL or all men means that Jesus died for ,not only the JEWS,but Gentiles too,but this doesn't mean every individual Jew and Gentile.It can be said by taking all of scripture together speaking on this subject,that Jesus died for MANY of all men.The people that Christ died for were written on His hand.Do you think that any of the names of those written on His hand will end up in Hell? No,His blood was the payment for every sin of every person that He died for and 100% of those will be with Him because of it .I was forgiven and saved by Christ at the cross,then 22 years ago God changed my heart so that I would believe it,and I would know what a great and wonderful thing my God had done for me long before I was ever born.He chose me,sent Christ to die for me and directed my steps my whole life through sin and tragedy to finally lead to the point where He brought me to Himself and changed my heart from being dead in sin,to alive in Christ,now He causes me daily to repent and believe and even when I'm faithless,He is faithful and this is how it is with all God's people.

@Tim: No, I don't think that anyone Christ died for will end up in Hell. I just think He only died for those conditionally elected, not unconditionally elected, because unconditional election has no basis whatsoever for man's responsibility.

jschram84 identity theft is not a joke, Jim!

"Michael!" "Oh that's funny Jim. MICHAEL!!!"

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Hi Mario, I've read some of your posts. I'd consider you a brother in Christ and I hope you will consider me one as well. I hold a more Calvinistic view and would like to answer some of your difficult questions. Please only ask one at a time of me, and I'll ask one at a time for you. Please don't take a difficult question I raise, as attacking you personally, I don't mean to do that. I don't have an axe to grind with anyone. I only mean to try and press a question to the theology so we can understand why we believe what what we believe. Fair enough? My question In Rev 5:9 - And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll, And to open its seals; For You were slain, And have redeemed us to God by Your blood Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, Do you see the blood of Jesus as the actual sacrifice that purchases/ redeems mens souls as individuals?

Did you listen to the passages of scripture Pastor Jeff used?

Do you believe that "Christians" that do not repent of their sin are born again? What makes a person born again? I think the God uses his means for his purpose and that's the gist of it.

Kyle and Alfredo: Since God has chosen to work out His will of salvation through the means of preaching (1 Corinthians 1:21, Romans 10:14-17), the gospel goes out to all men (Matthew 13:24-30, 28:19-20); you must come to Jesus in repentance in order to be saved (Matthew 4:17, Philippians 2:8-11, Romans 6:16, John 6:37, Romans 10:9-13), but no one can come to Jesus in repentance unless the Father first compels him with an irresistible superiority based on His choice born of lovingkindness (John 6:44, 63-65, Acts 13:48, 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15, Ephesians 2:8). God must compel him to come to the Savior because on his own, man neither desires to seek after God, nor does he even have the ability to do so (Romans 3:10-18, 1 Corinthians 2:14). Since God chooses man for salvation, and not the other way around, the calling of God goes specifically to whom He has chosen (John 8:47), and when the Father compels him to come to the Savior, he will most certainly come; the Savior then loses none of those who are given to Him by the Father, either through their own means or through the means of another, and He will raise it up on the last day (John 6:37-40). If you are willing (Isaiah 1:19), it is only because God has MADE you willing (John 6:44).

You repent of your unbelief, you repent from what you are trusting in or believing in before you trust in his work or believe in him to save you. You can't clean yourself up to be saved or before he will save you. He came to call the sick not the healthy. You go to the Dr. cause you are sick not after you are well.

When does God know you're saved?

@ Kyle Alander CivilianName295 "If he chooses who he saves then why would he ask us to repent if he already did it for us?" I think part of the issue is that HE knows who those person are, but WE don't! So we 1) repent ourselves, and 2) also preach to others. Sitting around wondering, "Is this person elect?" is pointless. If someone hears the Word and they are truly converted, then we know they were. But some people finally come to Christ at the end of their lives. I don't know why some people waste so much time and energy on something that we just can't know for certain. Our job is to preach the Word to everyone. Christ does the rest. What I've seen is that people love to latch onto this as an excuse to 1) not repent and turn to Christ themselves and 2) not share the gospel with others.

This is a misunderstanding of what Jeff and the Bible teach. Anyone who truly wants to be saved can be saved because even the desire to come to Christ is a gift of Christ. Jesus said anyone who comes to me I will in no wise cast out. The truth is there are men who will never have any interest in coming to Christ but any who do will find him to be a perfect savior.

@@a.gadfly9109 John 6:44 God draws them to Christ

"If I declare that I confess with my mouth (truly) Christ as my Lord & Saviour and believe fully in my heart that He rose from the dead, BUT Jesus did not choose me as one to be saved, I'm still damned to hell?" I was waiting for someone to say this. Right there is my major problem with Calvinist doctrine. Romans 10:9 says that if one does these things you mentioned, you shall be saved. Not *might* be saved, or saved if you happen to be on the special guest list, but *SHALL* be saved. Some people obviously think this part of scripture must be wrong.

The problem with these Calvinists is that they say ALL people are "wired" (programmed) to be and do evil, and that, on your own, you cannot make that right choice. Sounds like Robots to me! A God who IS perfect worshipped by Robots? I think not!

if you confess and believe (truly), then you were obviously chosen and among the elect... so what's your complaint, again?

So what you're saying is that God programmed you to confess Jesus? Wow, you're a robot! O to be worshiped by robots..., such quality!....And then there is that guy (Joshua) who obviously didn't know what you know when he asked the people to "choose you this day whom you will serve." As if they can really choose, right??? And of course there is no spiritual battle where we must choose. The Bible is obviously wrong about a spiritual battle, right? And when Jesus did not give into satan's temptations He did not really have to battle, cause He was programmed to do the right thing, right? What makes Calvinism dangerous? It takes away from what our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, FREELY CHOSE to do, which is to take the sins of the whole World upon Himself, being mocked, beaten and crucified like a criminal FOR YOU AND I! Do you not think He could have chosen not to? Do you really believe He had no choice? Do you think it was just a given what He did? Do you think He was programmed like a robot? ... just a walk in the park without a real battle to do the Father's will? O Lord forgive them!

You sound like you're more ready to defend Satan than God. Which is why Satan is so deceiving. Satan had a choice, but he chose evil. Satan is no different than you or I. We all choose

chargersfan4life the fact you dont believe is a tragedy and foolish.

@benjaminAllen how is that a tragedy or even foolish at all? I go out and tell people about the gospel because i believe everyone has a chance. instead, you think you are better than everyone else and for some reason God just randomly chose you because you are greater?? smh. I love everyone and i want EVERYONE to hear the good news of Jesus Christ. he died for EVERYONE. PS. take the log out of your own eye.

Please understand, God is outside of time, so therefore before we choose Him, He chose us first! To make salvation dependent humans would imply somehow that John 6 isn't true. The bible is true so therefore, God cannot lose anyone he saves. I'm not saying to preach only to those who you think will be believers, may it never be! However, instead we should know that it is truly by His grace alone that saves, through faith when only revealed by the Father!

Just b/c he died for every1 doesn't mean every1 is saved. The father draws them near and cannot be snatched from his hand.

That literally makes no sense. Why would he be angry with the people on earth and send a flood and destroy everyone in sodom and gomorrah if God knew he didn't open their hearts? Of course they are wicked people if you never open their hearts. Those stories make no sense if we are all just chosen.

Dallas Kinard ** babies are far from age of accountability. IN addition sinless and haven't heard GOSPEL of GOD AND CHRIST. Accountability begins some say at age 8 but depending on child when they consciously choose to sin and know what wrong is and yet choose it.

+Lisa Edwards after the Exodus the Israelites were promised by God not to enter the new land. the children who were even of age 19 at the time were allowed in after 40 years. they were not accountable by God for the elders actions. Jewish culture men don't teach maturity until 30 years of age.

+Lisa Edwards babies go to heaven for sure and many children older than you might think. God is a pure holy and perfect judge friend and father. People go to hell because they know truth and don't want it and deny it. Pharisee were warned. Paul was a Pharisee and led astray. he thought he was doing right. Jesus set him on the correct path. this is why Jesus addresses the Pharisee saying "you make them twice the son of hell" the people that go are fully aware and unashamed of their sin and don't want a savior. this is what pride is. it comes before the fall to hell. this is what makes them blind. they are blind to their own need. it took me a long time to come to terms that some people just don't want Jesus. they choose the absence of love. Gods presence is here on earth. every good and perfect gift comes from God in whom there is no variableness neither shadow of turning. God says be still and know that I am God. there is no variableness. He would not have you all over the place looking and hunting for Him. Jesus is the Word of God. so surely He always has something to share. Jesus never turned anyone away who asked for healing. The opposition never asked for help. they asked questions to tripJesus up or to ridicule Him. God bless you

+Lisa Edwards oops reach not teach. word correction grrr

Just another harlot pastor in a harlot church making money off Jesus.

Just cause you see and hear doesn't mean you see and hear. Only if you have eyes to see, and ears to hear, will you understand what God has revealed to us.

@@christophermartsolf1092I'll go smell the roses and ypu go smell the TULIPs

I don't get your comment. Arminians are not Calvinists yet I'm sure they would consider themselves Christians IE chosen. Those who consider themselves Calvinists consider themselves Christian first, since being a calvinist is a subcategory of being a Christian, what does that prove?

Right? I'm not a Christian but how do I know if I'm chosen, by this doctrine?

@@jeaninepetty4923 God loves you and wants you! He sent Jesus to die for you! Dont focus on this doctrine, just turn to Jesus and you will be saved! I promise salvation is waiting on you

Sola Dei gloria. Mystery solved. Pax Christi.

1 Who says people are being recorded in secret? I'm sure they can see the recording equipment and the person doing the recording. 2 Yes Jesus can save anyone he chooses but God works through means and the Bible says we are called to be Christ's ambassadors pleading with others to be reconciled to God. 3. The standard of spiritual Truth for a Christian is scripture. Why does that make you so uncomfortable? Perhaps that's something you need to think about. Grace and peace.

Dear sir, I appreciate your opinion and comments but I am not sure who you are or exactly what you are referring to because you were not at all specific about what it is I said that was wrong or in the wrong spirit. Could you please be a bit more specific so I can correct myself if I have erred. Again, I must say, I don't understand at all your comment about my church because, as I understand it, there's only one body according to scripture and the church belongs to Christ not me and therefore it's not my Church but the Lord's. Grace and peace to you sir whomever you are.

I'm a little confused because my name is that the top of this blog but it seems to be addressed to apologia? Oh well I'm happy to answer your query. Obviously, Adam and Eve were able to eat from the wrong tree because they did. No, Adam and Eve were not programmed to eat from the tree they were forbidden to eat from, they chose it and ruined their progeny, in fact you chose it in Adam as well which is why you do not have the freedom that Adam once had. As far as Satan goes, yes, he chose to Rebel against his creator the Glorious God of Heaven. Grace and peace to you.

Not sure who Bob Jones jr. Is and not really sure who you are. Perhaps Andrew C but, I disagree with your statement that unconditional election ( which simply means that God chose for his own purposes without regarding any conditions or qualities in men ) makes God's choice arbitrary. Does God not have the right in fulfilling his own purpose to do what he wants with his own creation? The statement about irresistible Grace is based on a misunderstanding. All kinds of people resist God's grace all the time. Calvinists certainly understand that. The point is not that no one ever resists the grace of God, ( in fact unregenerate man can do nothing but resist the grace of God ) the point is that in the case of the elect God eventually, and infallibly overcomes that resistance, otherwise none would ever be saved.

Who are you asking? Since I’m the last to comment, I’ll take the liberty to answer. Yes, mankind is in a fallen state due to the disobedience in the garden. We all would have done that, though, but God gave man a choice so as to not to create robots. We each have a choice/ chance/ mandate to reverse that curse for ourselves individually. Sadly, few will, but those folks will! Thank God for His provision.

@@googlereplier8681 It's a joke. Jesse Lee Peterson's show is called the Fallen State, and he always asks people if they believe we are in a fallen state in the beginning of the interview, then at the end he asks if they had fun.

MansterBear Oh, I guess you were meaning the opposite. Sorry. Needed more words, as I do don’t realize. Will remove my post, or repost to the masses!

MansterBear Wrong person. I should have responded to the other person. Sorry, again.

If you are referring to sin being fun, that answer is, “Yes, of course”. But only for a season. (And you have to keep upping it, like an effect drugs have on the mind.). However, justice is forever. (Because transgression REMAINS wrong forever AND outside of time.) Only a ‘fool’ (God’s term) would trade temp fun for eternal justice, and sadly, most will. Matt. 7:13-14, Ps. 14:1.

It's true that those who reject Christ would reject him no matter what era they were living in or where they where from. That means molinism is a useless falsehood. It's also true that whoever believes will have eternal life but this has never been in question by reformed believers. We Believe John 3:16 and all the rest of the Bible. Whosoever believes will be saved but then we must ask a question. Who believes? Only the elect and that is determined by God by his grace and mercy. John's gospel speaks of those who are born not of the will of men or the will of The flesh but of God. The miracle of the new birth is the work of God.

Obviously for that very purpose.

Your language seems to be a bit muddled dear lady. Perhaps, English is not your first language but regardless, the answer to your query is, yes, of course you can serve God. Men and women have different roles in church as in life but you are no less a servant of the Lord then any man, given the fact that you know Jesus. According to the Bible, a woman is not allowed to hold certain Church offices which involve teaching men. Learn what the Bible says about the service of a Christian lady and afterwards love and follow the Lord with all your heart. God will honor your service as much as the service of any man. Grace and peace to you.