Jesus Christ: True God and True Man (Aquinas 101) 

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“Surely, they have disbelieved who say: ‘Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary.’ But the Messiah [i.e. Jesus] said: ‘O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord, and your Lord.’” Qur’an 5:72

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I agree and your deeper appreciation is wonderful. It is not possible to be Christian without faith in the Incarnation and Mary's Yes was the human dimension to this to good to be but is forever truth.

Glad it was helpful!

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Same, God bless

@@ThomisticInstitute but we can't fully understand

Bishop go back to school phillippian 2:21 1 Corinthian 15:15 Malachi 4:8

LOL. So he literally just put an opposition side by side.. which is equally unsupported claim. It's just literally an opposing statement, not reasons why those heresies are wrong. LOL. 😆

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God has Not Taken [Mary as] a Wife or Jesus Christ as a Son, Rather, He Created All Things by His Word But they Say, "The Christ is the Son of God," for they Changed the Truth of God into a Lie, and Revered and Served the Creature More than the Creator 3:45, Qur'an [Remember] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed God gives you good news of a word from Him, whose name will be the Christ, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to God]." 3:47, Qur'an She said, "My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?" [The angel] said, "Such is God; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is." Psalms 33:4 - 6, Torah For the word of the Lord [is] right; and all His works [are done] in truth. He loves righteousness and judgement, the earth is full of the goodness of the Lord. The heavens were made by the word of the Lord; and all the host of them by the breath of His mouth. 6:101, Qur'an [Thus He is the] Originator of the heavens and the earth. How could He have a son when He does not have a wife and He created all things? And He is Knowing of all things. 72:3, Qur'an And [thus,] the nobleness of our Lord is exalted; He has not taken [Mary as] a wife or [Jesus as] a son. 43:15, Qur'an But they have attributed a portion to Him [as sons] from His servants. Indeed, man is clearly ungrateful. 9:30, Qur'an [For] the Jews say, "Ezra is the son of God;" and the Christians say, "The Christ is the son of God." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them] - Exodus 4:22, Torah [For they said,] "The Lord says, 'Israel [is] My son, [even] My firstborn.'" Jeremiah 31:9, Torah [And they said, "The Lord says,] 'I am a Father to Israel, and Ephraim [is] My firstborn.'" 10:68 - 69, Qur'an [And thus] they have said, "God has taken a son." He is Exalted; He is the [one] Free of need. Whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth [belongs] to Him. You have no authority for this [claim]. Do you say [something] about God which you do not know? Say, "Indeed, those who invent falsehood about God will not succeed - Romans 1:25, Gospel [For they] changed the truth of God into a lie, and revered and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever." Sections of Son of God Click to Jump to a Section: God Neither Begets, Nor is Born They Changed God into a Man Whom do Men Say that I, the Son of Man, am? Believe that I am the Son of Man God Says to it, "Be," and it is God Created All Things All are Your Servants God Formed me from the Womb to be His Servant Behold My Servant Devils Came out, Crying, "You are the Son of God" Satan Said, "If you are the Son of God" It is Out of their Falsehood that they Say, "God has Begotten," for God Neither Begets, Nor is Born For He is the First and the Last, and Thus, there was No god Formed Before Me, Neither will there be After Me, for I will Not Give My Glory to Another 37:151 - 152, Qur'an Unquestionably, it is out of their [invented] falsehood that they say, "God has begotten," and indeed, they are liars - John 3:16, Gospel [For they say,] "God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten son, so that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 1 John 5:1, Gospel Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who fathered, loves him also who is begotten of Him." 112:3, Qur'an [But] He neither begets, nor is born. Isaiah 43:10, Torah "[So] you [are] My witnesses," the Lord says, "And My servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe Me, and understand that I [am] He, there was no god formed before Me, neither will there be after Me -" 57:3, Qur'an [For] He is the First, and the Last, the Outer and the Inner, and He is Knowing of all things. Isaiah 41:4, Torah "[So] who has contrived and done [it], calling the generations from the beginning? I the Lord, the First, and with the Last; I [am] He. Isaiah 43:13, Torah Indeed, before the day [was,] I [am] He; and [there are] none who can deliver out of My hand, I will work, and who will let it? Isaiah 48:11 - 12, Torah For My own sake, [even] for My own sake, I will do [it], for how should [My name] be polluted? And I will not give My glory to another. [So] listen to Me, O Jacob and Israel, My called; I [am] He; I [am] the First, I also [am] the Last - Revelation 1:8, Gospel I am Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End," says the Lord [God], who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty. Isaiah 44:6, Torah [And] thus the Lord, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer the Lord of hosts says; "I am the First, and I am the Last; and there is no god beside Me - 23:91, Qur'an [And thus,] God has not taken any son, nor has there ever been any god with Him. [If there had been], then each god would have gone with what it created, and some of them would have [sought to] be high above others. God is glorified above what they describe [concerning Him]. Back to the Top They Changed the Glory of God into an Image Made Like a Corruptible Man, for they Say, "Christ is the Son of God," and "Ezra is the Son of God" And so they Changed the Truth of God into a Lie, for God did Not Send Any Messenger Except that Satan Threw in, but God Abrogates that which Satan Throws in - so Indeed, God is Glorified Above Having a Son 22:52 - 53, Qur'an We did not send any messenger or prophet before you except that when Satan desired, he threw in his [own] desire [into a verse]. But God abrogates that which Satan throws in; then God makes His verses precise. And God is Knowing and Wise. [That is] so He may make what Satan throws in a trial for those who have disease in their hearts and those hard of heart. And indeed, the wrongdoers are in extreme dissension. 2:79, Qur'an So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from God," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn - 1 Chronicles 28:6, Torah [For they say,] "He said to [David], 'Solomon your son, he will build My House and My courts, for I have chosen him [to be] My son, and I will be his Father.'" Psalms 89:26 - 27, Torah [And, "David] will cry to Me, 'You [are] my Father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.' Also I will make him [My] firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth." [2 Ezra 2:47], Torah [And they say, "The angel] answered and said to [Ezra], 'It is the son of God, whom they have confessed in the world.'" Acts 9:20, Gospel [And Saul] straightaway preached the Christ in the synagogues, that he is the son of God. 9:30, Qur'an [So] the Jews say, "Ezra is the son of God;" and the Christians say, "The Christ is the son of God." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May God destroy them; how are they deluded? 18:5, Qur'an They have no knowledge of it, nor had their fathers. The word that comes out of their mouths is [indeed] grave; they do not speak [anything] except a lie - Romans 1:21 - 23, Gospel [For] when they knew God, they did not glorify [Him] as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, [for they] changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like a corruptible man [Jesus, Ezra, Israel, Solomon, Ephraim, David], and birds, and fourfooted beasts [the molten calf], and creeping things. Romans 1:25, Gospel [And thus, they] changed the truth of God into a lie, and revered and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. 4:171, Qur'an [So] O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say [anything] about God except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was only a messenger of God [and the Messiah], and His word which He directed to Mary and the [Holy] Spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers. And do not say, "Three [Trinity]," desist - [it is] better for you. Indeed, God is only one God. He is glorified above having a son. Whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth [belongs] to Him. And God is sufficient as Disposer of affairs

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It's the mystery of the triune God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit in one.

@@mdanas2475 Isaiah is not Torah you are ignorant of bible because Muhammad didn't know about bible.

@@mdanas2475 the Quran is plagiarized from the Torah and the bible .....ask Mohammed .

I don’t think so (read my other post)? Simonline🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🤔🙏🇮🇱

God has Not Taken [Mary as] a Wife or Jesus Christ as a Son, Rather, He Created All Things by His Word But they Say, "The Christ is the Son of God," for they Changed the Truth of God into a Lie, and Revered and Served the Creature More than the Creator 3:45, Qur'an [Remember] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed God gives you good news of a word from Him, whose name will be the Christ, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to God]." 3:47, Qur'an She said, "My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?" [The angel] said, "Such is God; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is." Psalms 33:4 - 6, Torah For the word of the Lord [is] right; and all His works [are done] in truth. He loves righteousness and judgement, the earth is full of the goodness of the Lord. The heavens were made by the word of the Lord; and all the host of them by the breath of His mouth. 6:101, Qur'an [Thus He is the] Originator of the heavens and the earth. How could He have a son when He does not have a wife and He created all things? And He is Knowing of all things. 72:3, Qur'an And [thus,] the nobleness of our Lord is exalted; He has not taken [Mary as] a wife or [Jesus as] a son. 43:15, Qur'an But they have attributed a portion to Him [as sons] from His servants. Indeed, man is clearly ungrateful. 9:30, Qur'an [For] the Jews say, "Ezra is the son of God;" and the Christians say, "The Christ is the son of God." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them] - Exodus 4:22, Torah [For they said,] "The Lord says, 'Israel [is] My son, [even] My firstborn.'" Jeremiah 31:9, Torah [And they said, "The Lord says,] 'I am a Father to Israel, and Ephraim [is] My firstborn.'" 10:68 - 69, Qur'an [And thus] they have said, "God has taken a son." He is Exalted; He is the [one] Free of need. Whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth [belongs] to Him. You have no authority for this [claim]. Do you say [something] about God which you do not know? Say, "Indeed, those who invent falsehood about God will not succeed - Romans 1:25, Gospel [For they] changed the truth of God into a lie, and revered and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever." Sections of Son of God Click to Jump to a Section: God Neither Begets, Nor is Born They Changed God into a Man Whom do Men Say that I, the Son of Man, am? Believe that I am the Son of Man God Says to it, "Be," and it is God Created All Things All are Your Servants God Formed me from the Womb to be His Servant Behold My Servant Devils Came out, Crying, "You are the Son of God" Satan Said, "If you are the Son of God" It is Out of their Falsehood that they Say, "God has Begotten," for God Neither Begets, Nor is Born For He is the First and the Last, and Thus, there was No god Formed Before Me, Neither will there be After Me, for I will Not Give My Glory to Another 37:151 - 152, Qur'an Unquestionably, it is out of their [invented] falsehood that they say, "God has begotten," and indeed, they are liars - John 3:16, Gospel [For they say,] "God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten son, so that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 1 John 5:1, Gospel Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who fathered, loves him also who is begotten of Him." 112:3, Qur'an [But] He neither begets, nor is born. Isaiah 43:10, Torah "[So] you [are] My witnesses," the Lord says, "And My servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe Me, and understand that I [am] He, there was no god formed before Me, neither will there be after Me -" 57:3, Qur'an [For] He is the First, and the Last, the Outer and the Inner, and He is Knowing of all things. Isaiah 41:4, Torah "[So] who has contrived and done [it], calling the generations from the beginning? I the Lord, the First, and with the Last; I [am] He. Isaiah 43:13, Torah Indeed, before the day [was,] I [am] He; and [there are] none who can deliver out of My hand, I will work, and who will let it? Isaiah 48:11 - 12, Torah For My own sake, [even] for My own sake, I will do [it], for how should [My name] be polluted? And I will not give My glory to another. [So] listen to Me, O Jacob and Israel, My called; I [am] He; I [am] the First, I also [am] the Last - Revelation 1:8, Gospel I am Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End," says the Lord [God], who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty. Isaiah 44:6, Torah [And] thus the Lord, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer the Lord of hosts says; "I am the First, and I am the Last; and there is no god beside Me - 23:91, Qur'an [And thus,] God has not taken any son, nor has there ever been any god with Him. [If there had been], then each god would have gone with what it created, and some of them would have [sought to] be high above others. God is glorified above what they describe [concerning Him]. Back to the Top They Changed the Glory of God into an Image Made Like a Corruptible Man, for they Say, "Christ is the Son of God," and "Ezra is the Son of God" And so they Changed the Truth of God into a Lie, for God did Not Send Any Messenger Except that Satan Threw in, but God Abrogates that which Satan Throws in - so Indeed, God is Glorified Above Having a Son 22:52 - 53, Qur'an We did not send any messenger or prophet before you except that when Satan desired, he threw in his [own] desire [into a verse]. But God abrogates that which Satan throws in; then God makes His verses precise. And God is Knowing and Wise. [That is] so He may make what Satan throws in a trial for those who have disease in their hearts and those hard of heart. And indeed, the wrongdoers are in extreme dissension. 2:79, Qur'an So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from God," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn - 1 Chronicles 28:6, Torah [For they say,] "He said to [David], 'Solomon your son, he will build My House and My courts, for I have chosen him [to be] My son, and I will be his Father.'" Psalms 89:26 - 27, Torah [And, "David] will cry to Me, 'You [are] my Father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.' Also I will make him [My] firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth." [2 Ezra 2:47], Torah [And they say, "The angel] answered and said to [Ezra], 'It is the son of God, whom they have confessed in the world.'" Acts 9:20, Gospel [And Saul] straightaway preached the Christ in the synagogues, that he is the son of God. 9:30, Qur'an [So] the Jews say, "Ezra is the son of God;" and the Christians say, "The Christ is the son of God." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May God destroy them; how are they deluded? 18:5, Qur'an They have no knowledge of it, nor had their fathers. The word that comes out of their mouths is [indeed] grave; they do not speak [anything] except a lie - Romans 1:21 - 23, Gospel [For] when they knew God, they did not glorify [Him] as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, [for they] changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like a corruptible man [Jesus, Ezra, Israel, Solomon, Ephraim, David], and birds, and fourfooted beasts [the molten calf], and creeping things. Romans 1:25, Gospel [And thus, they] changed the truth of God into a lie, and revered and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. 4:171, Qur'an [So] O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say [anything] about God except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was only a messenger of God [and the Messiah], and His word which He directed to Mary and the [Holy] Spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers. And do not say, "Three [Trinity]," desist - [it is] better for you. Indeed, God is only one God. He is glorified above having a son. Whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth [belongs] to Him. And God is sufficient as Disposer of affairs

@@mdanas2475 the texts provided assume that in no case at all a word in God can be conceived eternally withing His eternal Mind and such us His Word and in that manner His Son is the Word conceived from all eternity so that there is no error attributed when it is revealed gradually and believed that His Son is Our Lord or that He is only His Word & Son of God for a Word Pre Exists mentally without being uttered and so when when says His One Word by which He creates all things as both Genesis and John say it excludes the Son, for He is His Word and hence, He Himself is uncreated and therefore God and the creation of all things excluding His Son takes place not as an afterthought to creation, but as rather God creates by His Word -Son- all things as God for the Word of God is God Himself. Otherwise, words only have effects unless they are uttered. But God has no body, so it must pre exist in His Mind and that is what is called a procession from the Divine Intellect and from it eternally the procession of the One Word and that is His Son. (For a better explanation, please feel free to see the writings of St Thomas Aquinas in three places: the Summa Theologiae, part I, (the friars. May also be of assistance) and or the Summa Contra Gentiles; and or a little work which is excellent titled "Aquinas on Reasons for Our Faith against the Muslims, Greeks and Armenians" trans. Fr. Peter Damian Fehlner. Thank you.

@@brauliocacao4647 Jesus Asked his Disciples, "Whom do Men Say that I, the Son of Man, am?" Mark and Luke Agreed in Testimony that Simon Peter Said, "You are the Christ" But the Testimony Differed in Matthew, Adding "You are the Christ and the Son of the Living God," but Indeed, those who Inject Deviation into Our Verses are Not Concealed from Us Matthew 16:13, Gospel [Remember] when Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, "Whom do men say that I, the Son of man, am?" Mark 8:28, Gospel And they answered, "John the Baptist, but some [say], Elijah; and others, one of the prophets." Mark 8:29, Gospel And he says to them, "But whom do you say that I am?" And Peter answers and says to him, "You are the Christ." Luke 9:20, Gospel [And Luke agreed in testimony that] Peter answering said, "The Christ of God." Matthew 16:20, Gospel Then he charged his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus, the Christ. 3:70 - 71, Qur'an [So] O People of the Scripture, why do you disbelieve in the verses of God while you witness [to their truth]? [And] O People of the Scripture, why do you mix the truth with falsehood? Matthew 16:16, Gospel [For they say that] Simon Peter answered and said, "You are the Christ [and] the son of the living God." Mark 8:29, Gospel [Yet Mark and Luke agreed in testimony that,] Peter answered and said to him, "You are [only] the Christ." 41:40, Qur'an [So] indeed, those who inject deviation into Our verses are not concealed from Us. So, is he who is cast into the Fire better or he who comes secure on the Day of Resurrection? Do whatever you will; indeed, He is Seeing of what you do. 2:79, Qur'an So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from God," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn - 3:69, Qur'an [For] a faction of the people of the Scripture wish they could mislead you. But they do not mislead [anyone] except themselves, and they do not perceive. 3:199, Qur'an [But] indeed, among the People of the Scripture are those who believe in God and what was sent down to you and what was sent down to them, [being] humble to God. They do not exchange the verses of God for a small price. Those will have their reward with their Lord. Indeed, God is swift in account.

@@mdanas2475 It differs but not in contradiction. St Matthew wrote his Gospel first before St Mark and St Luke. Whereas St. Matthew was an apostle of Christ as also St. John and both were there when that conversation took place, both are in agreement and the other two Evangelist also with them and all with the truth. Thank you

@@brauliocacao4647 Jesus Said, "If you do Not Believe that I am the Son of Man, then you will Die in your Sins" Then they All Said, "Are you Then the Son of God?" Jesus Said, "You Say that I am," and Thus it is the Christians who Say, "Christ is the Son of God" Luke 22:67 - 68, Gospel [They asked,] "Are you the Christ? Tell us." And [Jesus] said to them, "If I tell you, you will not believe; and if I also ask [you], you will not answer me, nor let [me] go." Mark 15:2, Gospel And Pilate asked him, "Are you the king of the Jews?" And [Jesus] answering, said to him, "You say [it]." John 18:37, Gospel Pilate therefore said to him, "Are you a king then?" Jesus answered, "You say that I am a king. I was born to this end, and I came into the world for this cause, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears my voice." John 8:25, Gospel Then they said to him, "Who are you?" And Jesus says to them, "Even [the same] that I said to you from the beginning - John 3:14 - 15, Gospel As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up. That whoever believes in [the Son of man] should not perish, but have eternal life. John 8:24, Gospel I said therefore to you, that you will die in your sins, for if you do not believe that I am [the Son of man whom you will have lifted up], you will die in your sins." Luke 22:70, Gospel Then they all said, "Are you then the son of God?" And [Jesus] said to them, "You say that I am." 9:30, Qur'an And [thus it is] the Christians [who] say, "The Christ is the son of God." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May God destroy them; how are they deluded? 18:4, Qur'an [So God has sent down the Book] to warn those who say, "God has taken a son." 72:3, Qur'an [It teaches] that the nobleness of our Lord is exalted; He has not taken a wife or a son. 5:75, Qur'an [For] the Christ, son of Mary, was nothing but a messenger [and the Christ]; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was truthful. They both used to eat food. Look how We make the signs clear to them; then look how they are deluded. 19:35, Qur'an [For] it is not [befitting] for God to take a son; He is Exalted! When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, "Be," and it is.

Jesus is not God. He is exactly who He said He is, not what apostate men want you to believe.

All change only occurs in the human nature.

Jesus emptied Himself of His Divinity in becoming man, to undergo the limits of human nature, including potency.

You’re the one assuming one person equals one God.

@@Godfrey544 so why did jesus differentiate himself and say "why do you call me good? no one is good except the One God" Mark 10:18 "No one knows the hour, not even me, except God." Mark 24:36 Three possibilities: 1) jesus isnt God 2) jesus and the father are 2 different Gods 3) jesus and father are 2 persons in God, but that's just polytheism.. because Jesus doesnt have the father'/ knowledge and/or attribute (ie. Knowing the hour)

@@irsyadsaid2680 the explanation is in the video you watched

Father said Christ's Divine Nature was joined to His Human Nature in a hypostatic union. Both Natures fused. It's a mystery not explicable to human minds.

Christianity never changes

@@PInk77W1 what do you mean? Everything changes

@@travisrennie9863 God never changes. Truth never changes. Christianity is truth. So it can’t change.

@@PInk77W1 so how do you fill about the catholic and protestant split. Which one has the truth?

@@travisrennie9863 Jesus started one church and said it would last forever The Roman Catholic Church. All Christians on earth were against birth control from Jesus till 1930. Then the Anglican Church decided it was ok. Then all Protestant Churches followed. Only the Roman Catholic Church has not changed. God Never changes. Rome will never change

Howdy, I hope this answer will help you. As regarding your second question; Jesus is a divine person only. Jesus was not, is not, and never will be a human person. Now to your first question; The second divine person of the Holy Trinity always possessed His divine nature, just as the Father and the Holy Spirit always possessed their divine natures. When the second person of the Holy Trinity became incarnate (the Incarnation of Jesus), the second person took on a human nature, and from then on, He had (and has) the two natures, one divine, and the other human. If you read the Dogmatic Definition of the Hypostatic Union at the Council of Chalcedon, you will find much information in it. It says in the Definition that Jesus is consubstantial with the Father in His divinity, and the same consubstantial with us as regards His humanity. The most important and useful thing for me in learning the dogma of the Hypostatic Union was to learn (and I mean get it down pat) that Jesus is a DIVINE person, never a human person. After you get that down, then the duality of natures becomes much more learnable.

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Not really. Not to me. Maybe it’s just not understandable to some, kind of like the pythagorean theorem.

Jesus praying to the Father since He is incarnated in human condition really doesn't prove the unitarian heresy or erase all the biblical passages where the Trinity is referenced and the doctrine of the original Holy Catholic Apostolic Church. So please have the good sense to acknowledge that.

Really… and with the plethora of interpretations of the Bible in the world today what makes yours the correct one? Is it the infallible one? If not, who really cares? On the other hand there is this to ponder and answer ‘IF’ you dare… History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, not only did they not agree but their list of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time. So, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church, guided by the Holy Spirit, that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century, just 75 years AFTER the council of Nicaea which began the Trinitarian doctrine and subsequent councils of Ephesus and Chalcedon, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved these scriptures by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us, show us, who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?

You distort the teachings of the Oriental Orthodox. The Incarnate Word, in our belief, is one nature out of two nature's fully human fully divine through hypostatic union. Word perfectly united the human essence to him while not changing God's head when he took on humanity. Through his union with the body, the limitless God became limited and the invisible God became visible with the same appearance as us, the eternal God died in the flesh he fully united with. In the same way, human flesh united with logos without losing any of the characteristics of humanity. The body of the incarnate God possesses every attribute of divinity and is not only a body following the hypostate Union. Jesus flesh now gives life and is worshipped. God became man so that man could become God, according to Saint Atenetitous. There is no separation in the nature of the incarnate word after the hypostatic because of the two natures are united as the two substance united to become one substance like wise two natures united without mingling in perfect union.

@@equalityandjusticeforall3190 The whole problem is, that the Hypostatic Union means unification of Jesus and Logos into a single Hypostasis, or Person of Christ, while the two natures remains fully distinct, and doesn't exclude each other in any way within this Union, so we're talking about a single Hypostasis or Person, with two distinct natures, meanwhile the Oriental churches recognize Christ as a single nature, with two distinct persons, what contradicts the Hypostatic Union, and leads straight to idolatry, as you've demonstrated, by mixing humanity with divinity.

The Bible and the Church show literally the opposite no matter how much CAPSLOCK and ellipsis you use in your hererical lacking of good sense comments

read the first chapter of John

@@flavjetto123 Read the whole gospel, especially the end! "These things have been written, that you may believe that Jesus Christ is THE SON OF GOD and that believing you may have everlasting life!" ( John 20:31. This sums up the whole pupose of his gospel! Amen to that!

@@flavjetto123 Yes! this chapter makes clear that Jesus Christis the Son of God! Verse 14 "The word became flesh and we had a view of his glory, that of an ONLY BEGOTTEN from a Father". (Then John reinforces this in...) Verse 18 "No one has SEEN GOD at any time! ( Yet John 'saw' Jesus! So did his disciples and thee Jews!). So now read John 20:31; "These things have been written that you may believe that jesus Christ is the SON OF GOD and that by believing ( believing what?) you may have everlasting life".

and with the plethora of interpretations of the Bible in the world today what makes yours the correct one? Is it the infallible one? If not, who really cares? On the other hand there is this to ponder and answer ‘IF’ you dare… History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, not only did they not agree but their list of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time. So, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church, guided by the Holy Spirit, that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century, just 75 years AFTER the council of Nicaea which began the Trinitarian doctrine and subsequent councils of Ephesus and Chalcedon, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved these scriptures by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us, show us, who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?

Freedom of belief is one of the most important human rights, so you have the right to believe what you are convinced is true. Also, every person has the right to explain his beliefs to others without offending their beliefs. I personally respect all religions and beliefs, and the difference in our religions and beliefs does not spoil the love between us.

Why quote the church fathers??? History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, not only did they not agree but their list of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time. So, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church, guided by the Holy Spirit, that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century, just 75 years AFTER the council of Nicaea which began the Trinitarian doctrine and subsequent councils of Ephesus and Chalcedon, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved these scriptures by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us, show us, who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?

God beget.

👍🏻 Very Trinitarian!!!

Wow, too bad all of this has 0 credibility and you said it for nothing since the Quran is arabic poetic book (with an opposite plagiarized message from the Bible) that 6th century murder liar paedophile carava-robber false prophet that told God failed to preserve His own word and His new ultimate incorruptible word is this gross book.

Thanks for the support!

Turn away from Christianity and catholicsim. They worship an Alien, turn away from it now. Jesus was an alien he wasn't son of god. He was an alien in human form. He was crucified for blasphemy. Turn away from him now. Turn away from the bible. He isn't son of god. Don't accept the holy spirit. Trust me I know the truth. He isn't what u think he is turn away.

The Christology represented here is complete really erroneous both in terms of conciliar christology and in terms of apostolic christology

You're welcome!

Easy to grasp. Jesus is not God. He is exactly who He said He is, not what apostate men want you to believe.

AMEN

You might check out this podcast talk on precisely this issue by Fr. Dominic: soundcloud.com/thomisticinstitute/the-remedy-for-confused-kenoticism-aquinas-as-a-kenotic-theologian-fr-dominic-legge-op

@@ThomisticInstitute many thanks. That was very interesting. I don't think I am buying the line "fully God and fully man" still. What I have heard in the link seems to support that statement? If Jesus retains all the divine attributes and becomes man as well then is the Word incarnate actually "Super God" i.e. God+something else? If you follow that line of thinking then the God/man Jesus is actually greater than the Father, not the Father greater than Jesus? For Jesus to be less than the Father wouldn't he need to empty himself of at least one of the attributes of the Father? I didn't see the points I mentioned about the plausibility of the incarnate Word still operating in the full attributes of God i.e. omniscience/omnipotence/omnipresence and such. Rather than the "Fully God and full man" statement I would prefer "the image of the invisible God, humbled/emptied and made flesh/man" which I see as far more scriptural. We also need to consider the fact that Jesus is the firstborn of many brethren i.e. he is the prototype of the born again man. If he is "fully God" then that is far more difficult to reconcile than an "emptied God".

@@filtafacta The newly conceived baby in the womb is fully human, though it has none of the attributes of an adult. A child is fully human, though it cannot think like an adult. In the same way, Jesus was "fully God," though having emptied Himself of His Divine attributes while He lived on Earth.

God has Not Taken [Mary as] a Wife or Jesus Christ as a Son, Rather, He Created All Things by His Word But they Say, "The Christ is the Son of God," for they Changed the Truth of God into a Lie, and Revered and Served the Creature More than the Creator 3:45, Qur'an [Remember] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed God gives you good news of a word from Him, whose name will be the Christ, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to God]." 3:47, Qur'an She said, "My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?" [The angel] said, "Such is God; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is." Psalms 33:4 - 6, Torah For the word of the Lord [is] right; and all His works [are done] in truth. He loves righteousness and judgement, the earth is full of the goodness of the Lord. The heavens were made by the word of the Lord; and all the host of them by the breath of His mouth. 6:101, Qur'an [Thus He is the] Originator of the heavens and the earth. How could He have a son when He does not have a wife and He created all things? And He is Knowing of all things. 72:3, Qur'an And [thus,] the nobleness of our Lord is exalted; He has not taken [Mary as] a wife or [Jesus as] a son. 43:15, Qur'an But they have attributed a portion to Him [as sons] from His servants. Indeed, man is clearly ungrateful. 9:30, Qur'an [For] the Jews say, "Ezra is the son of God;" and the Christians say, "The Christ is the son of God." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them] - Exodus 4:22, Torah [For they said,] "The Lord says, 'Israel [is] My son, [even] My firstborn.'" Jeremiah 31:9, Torah [And they said, "The Lord says,] 'I am a Father to Israel, and Ephraim [is] My firstborn.'" 10:68 - 69, Qur'an [And thus] they have said, "God has taken a son." He is Exalted; He is the [one] Free of need. Whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth [belongs] to Him. You have no authority for this [claim]. Do you say [something] about God which you do not know? Say, "Indeed, those who invent falsehood about God will not succeed - Romans 1:25, Gospel [For they] changed the truth of God into a lie, and revered and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever." Sections of Son of God Click to Jump to a Section: God Neither Begets, Nor is Born They Changed God into a Man Whom do Men Say that I, the Son of Man, am? Believe that I am the Son of Man God Says to it, "Be," and it is God Created All Things All are Your Servants God Formed me from the Womb to be His Servant Behold My Servant Devils Came out, Crying, "You are the Son of God" Satan Said, "If you are the Son of God" It is Out of their Falsehood that they Say, "God has Begotten," for God Neither Begets, Nor is Born For He is the First and the Last, and Thus, there was No god Formed Before Me, Neither will there be After Me, for I will Not Give My Glory to Another 37:151 - 152, Qur'an Unquestionably, it is out of their [invented] falsehood that they say, "God has begotten," and indeed, they are liars - John 3:16, Gospel [For they say,] "God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten son, so that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 1 John 5:1, Gospel Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who fathered, loves him also who is begotten of Him." 112:3, Qur'an [But] He neither begets, nor is born. Isaiah 43:10, Torah "[So] you [are] My witnesses," the Lord says, "And My servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe Me, and understand that I [am] He, there was no god formed before Me, neither will there be after Me -" 57:3, Qur'an [For] He is the First, and the Last, the Outer and the Inner, and He is Knowing of all things. Isaiah 41:4, Torah "[So] who has contrived and done [it], calling the generations from the beginning? I the Lord, the First, and with the Last; I [am] He. Isaiah 43:13, Torah Indeed, before the day [was,] I [am] He; and [there are] none who can deliver out of My hand, I will work, and who will let it? Isaiah 48:11 - 12, Torah For My own sake, [even] for My own sake, I will do [it], for how should [My name] be polluted? And I will not give My glory to another. [So] listen to Me, O Jacob and Israel, My called; I [am] He; I [am] the First, I also [am] the Last - Revelation 1:8, Gospel I am Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End," says the Lord [God], who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty. Isaiah 44:6, Torah [And] thus the Lord, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer the Lord of hosts says; "I am the First, and I am the Last; and there is no god beside Me - 23:91, Qur'an [And thus,] God has not taken any son, nor has there ever been any god with Him. [If there had been], then each god would have gone with what it created, and some of them would have [sought to] be high above others. God is glorified above what they describe [concerning Him]. Back to the Top They Changed the Glory of God into an Image Made Like a Corruptible Man, for they Say, "Christ is the Son of God," and "Ezra is the Son of God" And so they Changed the Truth of God into a Lie, for God did Not Send Any Messenger Except that Satan Threw in, but God Abrogates that which Satan Throws in - so Indeed, God is Glorified Above Having a Son 22:52 - 53, Qur'an We did not send any messenger or prophet before you except that when Satan desired, he threw in his [own] desire [into a verse]. But God abrogates that which Satan throws in; then God makes His verses precise. And God is Knowing and Wise. [That is] so He may make what Satan throws in a trial for those who have disease in their hearts and those hard of heart. And indeed, the wrongdoers are in extreme dissension. 2:79, Qur'an So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from God," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn - 1 Chronicles 28:6, Torah [For they say,] "He said to [David], 'Solomon your son, he will build My House and My courts, for I have chosen him [to be] My son, and I will be his Father.'" Psalms 89:26 - 27, Torah [And, "David] will cry to Me, 'You [are] my Father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.' Also I will make him [My] firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth." [2 Ezra 2:47], Torah [And they say, "The angel] answered and said to [Ezra], 'It is the son of God, whom they have confessed in the world.'" Acts 9:20, Gospel [And Saul] straightaway preached the Christ in the synagogues, that he is the son of God. 9:30, Qur'an [So] the Jews say, "Ezra is the son of God;" and the Christians say, "The Christ is the son of God." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May God destroy them; how are they deluded? 18:5, Qur'an They have no knowledge of it, nor had their fathers. The word that comes out of their mouths is [indeed] grave; they do not speak [anything] except a lie - Romans 1:21 - 23, Gospel [For] when they knew God, they did not glorify [Him] as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, [for they] changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like a corruptible man [Jesus, Ezra, Israel, Solomon, Ephraim, David], and birds, and fourfooted beasts [the molten calf], and creeping things. Romans 1:25, Gospel [And thus, they] changed the truth of God into a lie, and revered and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. 4:171, Qur'an [So] O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say [anything] about God except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was only a messenger of God [and the Messiah], and His word which He directed to Mary and the [Holy] Spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers. And do not say, "Three [Trinity]," desist - [it is] better for you. Indeed, God is only one God. He is glorified above having a son. Whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth [belongs] to Him. And God is sufficient as Disposer of affairs

Short answer. Miaphysitism is heresy. Catholics are duophysitists.

It's easy to learn that "consubstantial" means "of one substance". May it spur the clueless to look up and ponder the meaning.

He also said "before Abraham was, I AM" and "I and the Father are one" (among all the other passages where the Trinity is referenced) so you not acknowledging those and using the Son doing the Father's will as an argument for your heresy that the Church condemned since the first centuries is just senseless.

It's our joy! Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment. May the Lord bless you!

Jesus was God and man which is what the trinity states and we have a lot of church fathers making this clear to us... i would suggest you read the trinity... Jesus never lusted and had sinful passions of the flesh but the will of the father and spirit in unity incarnate in the son that the fulness of the Godhead maybe be fulfilled and glorified... And only the perfect sacrifice of God can forgive the fall of men!

@@Tzimiskes3506 Jesus at Calvary my god my God why have you foresaken me. Jesus at Gethsemane he sweated like drops of blood. His soul was exceedingly sorrowful and he wanted his disciples to pray and watch over him. He wanted to avoid the ordeal of the crucifixion. Therefore he cant die if he was fully God, because he said l am the ressurection and life.

@@Tzimiskes3506 when you say he was fully human in what sense that goes against the original sin dogma, that we all have a imperfect nature and it goes against the genesis chapter 1v26.

You believe in the incarnation sonship?

Word and Son are used synonymously. Sonship just means that the Word is relationally distinct from the Father by way of Filiation (the Son is eternally generated through an intellective act by the Father and is the perfect image or Word of the Divine Essence.) When we say "eternal son" we are not asserting that the incarnation is eternal, we are just saying the Word is eternal. I believe you are misunderstanding the term Son and applying the concept of incarnation to it.