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Lena Einhorn, The Jesus Mystery: Astonishing Clues to the True Identities of Jesus and Paul (Jesus the Egyptian/ Jesus the Zealot)
Author, film maker and documentarian Lena Einhorn aims this treatise at the intelligent general reader, much the same audience she addresses in her television projects. For that reason, the specialist will be able to skim a good bit of her book. Quite a lot of it is a running start. No criticism meant. But let’s cut to the chase. The secret if the true identities of Jesus and Paul are that they are identical to one another. Paul as Tyler Durden. I am Jack’s resurrected persona.
Jesus is the Talmudic character Ben Stada, just as most Talmudic authorities surmise. Both are said to have emerged from Egypt carrying magic sigils inscribed in their flesh. Jesus is also said in the Toledoth Jeschu to have hidden a paper note containing the magically potent Tetragammaton beneath a flap of his flesh. Others have theorized that Ben Stada is the Egyptian messiah mentioned by both Josephus (Jewish War 2:13.5; Jewish Antiquities 20:8:6) and Acts. According to Einhorn, both guesses are correct. Paul is rightly taken for him in Acts 21:38, because Paul was Jesus was the Egyptian was Ben Stada. Along the same lines, John the Baptist was in realty the same man as Theudas the Magician. Both as linked to the Jordan, and both were beheaded by the authorities. In the gospels and Acts, the historical events have been retrojected to an earlier decade.
Einhorn opts for the Swoon Theory, noting that it is by no means ridiculous despite the uneasy assurances of apologists. She regards Jesus as a Zealot crucified alongside fellow Zealots (“thieves,” lestoi). After his escape from the cross, he went elsewhere preaching a new gospel concerning the true meaning of the resurrection he had just undergone. So the Proclaimer became the Proclaimed-as well as the Proclaimer of the Proclaimed!
Einhorn thus makes sense of the extensive parallels between the Passion journeys of both Jesus and Paul in Luke-Acts, not that it all happened twice, but that the second telling of the story in Paul’s case is a hint that Paul is the same character who underwent the process in Luke. Einhorn notes other, smaller parallels including the Galilean birthplace of Paul according to Jerome and the similarity of Paul’s being trained as a youth by Gamaliel and Jesus engaged in dialectic with the elders and scribes in the Temple at age 12. She suggests that Pilate’s uncharacteristic urgency to have Jesus acquitted might be explained as another version of Acts 22:25-29, in which the Roman official, about to flog Paul, stands down when he discovers the object of his wrath is a Roman citizen. The Talmud says, cryptically, that Jesus, too, had some connection with the government.
It is a fascinating, albeit speculative thesis. The sheer novelty of it ought not to count against it, though most will laugh it off for no better reason. It is good that Lena Einhorn has contributed her theory to the debate.
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Lena Einhorn has authored a few books on the subject of the historical reliability of the gospels. She has found there was a shift in time comparing the gospels to outside sources such as Josephus Flavius. Parallels between Josephus and the New Testament may suggest that this character called "The Egyptian" may have been the real Jesus of history. We also talk about who paul "MIGHT" be.
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@GENESIS-3
@GENESIS-3 4 года назад
Lena is a bright Swedish lady.
@GypsyCurls
@GypsyCurls 5 месяцев назад
OMG! I didn’t know how much I was going to enjoy this conversation, but I did immensely. I liked her delivery and enthusiasm even more so.
@nicolechristine3371
@nicolechristine3371 4 года назад
There has to be something to Lena's theory because her and Ralph ellis come to differrent conclusions but both agree the story was in ad 50s/60s instead of ad 30s
@willempasterkamp862
@willempasterkamp862 4 года назад
Mirror Nerones lifetime (almost 32 years) back in history to get Jesus. Nero born 38 died 69, Jesus born 6 died 38.
@stimorolication9480
@stimorolication9480 3 года назад
The gospels were written after the destruction of the Temple in 70. This was the single most catastrophic event of 1st Century Judea/Palestine, and had huge ramifications. The gospel writers couldn't associate Jesus with the Jewish rebels, as they were hated by Jews and Romans alike. By shifting the story back to the 30s they avoided association with the Jewish Revolt of 66-73. The 30s were a quiet period in the region according to most sources. This way Jesus was not to blame for the later disaster that befell the Jews. Also he was described as a non-violent teacher of righteousness, in addition to the theological stuff which probably evolved quite a bit from what he actually said to what was written down decades later. There are several surviving hints that the movement wasn't all that peaceful, which is why the Romans and the Jerusalem authorities fought them. In the 50s the troubles had begun and it seems very reasonable that Jesus was The Egyptian, and the procurator was Antonius Felix. Though there also seems to be rather obvious elements there also of Jesus of Gamala, not least the name and the Galilean connection.
@wolf7el356
@wolf7el356 2 года назад
Jesus or Yeshua was actually a very very common name back in 1st century Palestine. It was as common as John or Mike is today in modern times. So a lot of historical trip-ups happens because the name Jesus has so much density & magnitude, that people tend to confuse the one with the all. Meaning people think anybody written about back then named Jesus is talking about Jesus the Christ from Nazareth, but in reality there were several thousand young Palestinian Jewish men back then named Jesus/Yeshua.
@roses6835
@roses6835 Год назад
It is not beyond the bounds of imagination to expect that Lord Yeshua might have been referred to as "THE EGYPTIAN" given that, HE was taken to Egypt when He was a baby before returning back to Galilee. He might have been referred to as "the Egyptian" at some point as a distinguishing marker from others with the same name! So what!? Your purported argument holds no water and I'm sincerely embarrassed for you!
@deeel5692
@deeel5692 Год назад
Nonsense.
@kencratchley8697
@kencratchley8697 Год назад
The timeline was back dated to match Daniel’s prophecy.
@mavrosyvannah
@mavrosyvannah 10 месяцев назад
​@@wolf7el356Jesus never heard the name Jesus in his entire life, if he existed. If he existed, he did none of the activities of the Gospel. Hercules also did nothing they say in his fiction.
@sherifaljeddawy2467
@sherifaljeddawy2467 4 года назад
So many Salutes for your work, Derek (Y)
@rebornstillborn
@rebornstillborn 3 года назад
"It's not that several people where Jesus, it's that the egyptian is several people in the New Testament." I am no historian so I can't speak to the validity of these theories, but I love how they make me think about things in a different way. I hadn't even considered the possibility that a real person could be divided up into several people in a text. Seems obvious now, but it gave me a "aha"-moment. P.S. Great show as always!
@wolf7el356
@wolf7el356 2 года назад
Jesus/Yeshua was also a very common name in 1st century Palestine, it was as common as John or Mike is today in modern times. So it could be plausible that people get confused thinking that every time someone named Jesus that was written about from back then was speaking about the Nazarine, but in reality could realistically be referring to multiple people.
@mr.emelita7555
@mr.emelita7555 4 года назад
Derek, you really need to have Ralph Ellis and Lena Einhorn on the show together. It would be mind-blowing and game-changing.
@Kvant925
@Kvant925 4 года назад
She’s genuinely cool. I haven’t bought a book from anyone, but I just might buy one of hers. Hope to be as educated (without college) as these individuals one day, probably won’t be, mais c’est moi objectif. Au revoir!
@spaceghost8995
@spaceghost8995 2 года назад
You've never bought a book?
@spaceghost8995
@spaceghost8995 Год назад
@abraham mani Yeah and Jonah lived inside a fish for three days and the god fashioned Adam out of clay and breathed life into him. Don't forget the 500 year old Noah who built a boat and put millions of breeding pairs of animals on board. There are over 350,000 known species of beetles just to name ONE species. That all makes perfect sense. Lol
@jeffreywilliams9299
@jeffreywilliams9299 Год назад
​@abrahammani-3445God is dead. And anyway your god Jesus told you that when your messages rejected that you are to wipe the dust from your feet and move on. So, please follow your own scriptures and move the fuk on. The only people you will ever be able to convince of this are very young children. But thanks for all the free Bibles the real Handy in the in the toilet.
@clevertaco328
@clevertaco328 9 месяцев назад
You probably should think twice before speaking on subjects that you are thoroughly ignorant about.@@spaceghost8995
@clevertaco328
@clevertaco328 9 месяцев назад
This is how you turn people away imho. Your passion may come across as fanaticism@abrahammani-3445
@mver191
@mver191 4 года назад
I love her personality and theory! You should make her a more regular guest and perhaps have her together with Dr. Bob sometime.
@jamesregiste960
@jamesregiste960 Год назад
I just love her, her theories make more sense of the Contradictions of the NT.
@donnievance1942
@donnievance1942 Год назад
@abraham mani Stop spamming. Reported.
@michaelvallance532
@michaelvallance532 3 года назад
Lena is definitely onto something BIG here! The closest anyone has got to my thinking. I’ve been researching this stuff for 40 years, so I don’t say this lightly.
@astroflyinsights
@astroflyinsights 2 года назад
My mind was blown recently with this one, is it synchronicity with Egyptian Orthodox Xmas tomorrow? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-d90TKpfOjc4.html
@simonj.1812
@simonj.1812 Год назад
There is something here, I've been saying that there was multiple levels of code in the bible, stories encoded
@nikinai4374
@nikinai4374 Год назад
Interesting that the Author acknowledges that when the publics don't agree or understand an Authors work, they will NOT want it published. But HOW is it that it is soo difficult to see that the Romans, Herodians and the Sanhedrin were ALL AGAINST the idea of a JUDEAN KING of Israel, because He THREATENED their own POWER BASE, their POSITIONS and their EMPIRE in fact, and therefore would DO ANYTHING to ensure that His EXISTENCE is ERASED from HISTORY and hopefully existence so that He is FORGOTTEN, and the ONLY REASON these THREE POWERS-(unclean frogs?=Dragon, Beast and False prophet) RE-APPROPRIATED this EMMANUEL(the MostHigh "with us") as "IESUS-CHRISTOS=JESUS" is only because they FAILED to ERASE His memory from the WORLD, and His FAME continued to GROW and even REALLY ACTUALLY THREATEN their PAGAN and even JEWISH RELIGIONS-as the NOBODY had prophesied that NO STONE would be LEFT STANDING in JERUSALEM as it would be RAZED TO THE GROUND never to be REBUILT in its "GLORY" ever again-a prophecy ACTUALLY FULFILLED when TITUS RAZES it to the ground CHEARED ON by EDOMITES!(race it race it to the ground-they cooed!-Psalms), then they STOOD UP and TOOK NOTICE!-That's why they APPROPRIATED Him for their NEW Christian RELIGION , but ONLY because His FAME threatened to ERASE and BURY their own supposedly STABLE RELIGION(=Le-Legions!)!-they argue from history as if any of the SCRIBAL fare would WRITE about someone who they deemed to be A NOBODY, but FAIL to ARGUE SUCCESSFULLY with the BOOK of JOHN!-nobody seems to be able to ARGUE that JOHN(versus ) is a LUNATIC or his writings are actually FALSE HOOD if they should be!
@TinkerTaylor-zv1ml
@TinkerTaylor-zv1ml 10 месяцев назад
​@abrahammani-3445 you must be a joy to have on a party.
@ballyragoonanan
@ballyragoonanan Год назад
There are so many people who have researched the life of Jesus and have come up with similar stories. The Jesus of the bible and the teachings of the bible are a composite of different stories from everywhere. Lena is a great researcher and presenter. I love to hear her. I always wondered why Jesus and John did not recognize each other at the baptism when they when they were cousins and preached in the same area. Did not Mary and Elizabeth keep in touch with each other?
@Zodinthara-jo5yi
@Zodinthara-jo5yi Год назад
Same thing here
@Thor-Orion
@Thor-Orion 11 месяцев назад
There is one family that’s super central to the stories though, the family of Judah of Galilee, his sons James the Just, Simon bar Giora, Judah Ben Judah/Yeshua Ben Judah, Menahem Ben Judah/Menahem the Essene, Zadok/Joannes of Gishala/ John the Baptist (the fact that every single one of these people is known by multiple names is one of the things to make it most confusing, I think this was intentional by the rebels to keep the Romans unsure who they were dealing with or capturing at any time)
@Thor-Orion
@Thor-Orion 11 месяцев назад
And then you have Salome as well. So you have two sisters who name their son Joannes (John) and then two sisters who each name a child Jacob (James the Just and James the Greater)? Or is it more likely that maybe some conflation is going on and maybe Zebedee and Salome both die during the conflict at some point leaving one of the other two couples to raise their kids? Perhaps John gets sent to the older couple who always wanted a kid and never had one and Jacob (James) gets sent to live with Mary and Judah’s brother who had married Mary after his brother’s death to help her raise the kids after losing two brothers and never having gotten married himself, maybe because he had been in the community at Qumran? This family is front and center throughout the war (Judah of Galilee’s I mean), so regardless of the time line being way off, I think there are some clues we can use in the New Testament to try to piece the story together.
@noelgarcia1360
@noelgarcia1360 3 года назад
Absolutely a fascinating subject. Admire and love the fearless scholars that propagate truths. Would love to know her thoughts on Swedenborg also.
@realitycheck3672
@realitycheck3672 4 года назад
*Great work.* *Hopefully you get Rabbi Singer back on the show soon.*
@madmanmark8387
@madmanmark8387 4 года назад
Rabbi Tovia Singer is one who I watch alot of his videos and you should watch his debates with other people.
@realitycheck3672
@realitycheck3672 4 года назад
MADMAN MARK I’ve been following him for over 5 years
@eresmathias8058
@eresmathias8058 Год назад
​@@madmanmark8387Tovia is biased and not 100% honest. A lot of his work is good and accurate in fairness but it'd not flawless like he claims or likes to think.
@unicyclist97
@unicyclist97 4 года назад
I've wishlisted the book. Great show.
@nikinai4374
@nikinai4374 Год назад
Interesting that the Author acknowledges that when the publics don't agree or understand an Authors work, they will NOT want it published. But HOW is it that it is soo difficult to see that the Romans, Herodians and the Sanhedrin were ALL AGAINST the idea of a JUDEAN KING of Israel, because He THREATENED their own POWER BASE, their POSITIONS and their EMPIRE in fact, and therefore would DO ANYTHING to ensure that His EXISTENCE is ERASED from HISTORY and hopefully existence so that He is FORGOTTEN, and the ONLY REASON these THREE POWERS-(unclean frogs?=Dragon, Beast and False prophet) RE-APPROPRIATED this EMMANUEL(the MostHigh "with us") as "IESUS-CHRISTOS=JESUS" is only because they FAILED to ERASE His memory from the WORLD, and His FAME continued to GROW and even REALLY ACTUALLY THREATEN their PAGAN and even JEWISH RELIGIONS-as the NOBODY had prophesied that NO STONE would be LEFT STANDING in JERUSALEM as it would be RAZED TO THE GROUND never to be REBUILT in its "GLORY" ever again-a prophecy ACTUALLY FULFILLED when TITUS RAZES it to the ground CHEARED ON by EDOMITES!(race it race it to the ground-they cooed!-Psalms), then they STOOD UP and TOOK NOTICE!-That's why they APPROPRIATED Him for their NEW Christian RELIGION , but ONLY because His FAME threatened to ERASE and BURY their own supposedly STABLE RELIGION(=Le-Legions!)!-they argue from history as if any of the SCRIBAL fare would WRITE about someone who they deemed to be A NOBODY, but FAIL to ARGUE SUCCESSFULLY with the BOOK of JOHN!-nobody seems to be able to ARGUE that JOHN(versus ) is a LUNATIC or his writings are actually FALSE HOOD if they should be!
@emmanuelwolfmusic410
@emmanuelwolfmusic410 Год назад
This is absolutely game changing. Thankyou so much.
@MrChristopherMolloy
@MrChristopherMolloy 4 года назад
Please invite her back to the show soon. Would love to see her talk with Ralph Ellis.
@kisheacox8147
@kisheacox8147 Год назад
I’ve been reading the Bible. When I read certain passages, the questions I have are many. When I start asking about why am I reading about a certain person that’s only mentioned here and there, and I look into that name and find a complete book missing on that person from the Bible, I get met with, more passages. Doesn’t matter. Read your scriptures. But if I’m to gain more understanding, then I want to know what I’m not reading in the Bible because i believe that’s important to. Like the book of Enoch. Missing the book but important enough to be mentioned. When I read other stories like about Zeus or Gilgamesh, I feel like I’m reading the same story with names changed. So I ask more questions. And they are now about comparing the stories. Get met with more of the same but in more of a forceful way and a side of attitude. I’m looking for the truth and light and continue to read everything I can only not ask questions like I have. I’m reading outside the box because the truth is out there.
@anischab
@anischab Год назад
Thanks Derek. It was a great discovery... I want to read the books of Lena Einhorn and I am sure there is a part of truth in what she said... I am very open minded and am trying to find "the right way" preached in "all religions"... like "being righteous" which leads to "enlightenment"... I was also surprised by reading (elsewhere) that Abraham and Sarah could also be found in the Hindu religion (Abraham = Brahma; Sarah =Saraswati)... so much interesting stuff overall... THANKS for bringing all this! Please continue the good work!!
@amadeusradio9608
@amadeusradio9608 4 года назад
Derek, thank you so much for listening to fans.
@martindye1799
@martindye1799 4 года назад
This was by far the best episode, yes. I enjoy your enthusiasm as a host and the emotion you put into it is very infectious. For such a controversial issue (close minded fanatics, mostly) you presented the issue with respect and objectivity. Thank you! I want to see more! lol
@caniceedward1821
@caniceedward1821 2 года назад
The bible mentions Roman soldiers arresting Jesus and Peter cutting off the ear of one of the soldiers.
@donnievance1942
@donnievance1942 Год назад
@abraham mani Everybody report this A-hole.^^ He's copy/pasted this spam all through the comments here. He's your typical Christian with no sense of decent civil behavior or the honesty to abide by the rules he agreed to when he signed onto the YT platform.
@knowledgeseeker-yy1ix
@knowledgeseeker-yy1ix 7 месяцев назад
@abrahammani-3445 baloney...
@andrewmays3988
@andrewmays3988 Год назад
The more I learn, the more I find out I NEED to learn.😇
@berts558
@berts558 Год назад
Her clear and profound love for the New Testament is both shocking and beautiful her profound commitment to conversation speculation and understanding is really refreshing
@harveywabbit9541
@harveywabbit9541 4 года назад
Barabbas, the robber, is a Robin Hood character, he steals food from summer (crop production) and shares it with winter (non crop production and hungry people). Barabbas had to be saved, for otherwise the people would starve. King Herod (another sun) means "Hero of the Path," or the apparent movement of the sun through the four (tetra) seasons. Poor King Herod will die at the winter solstice but he will be born again as the baby sun on December 25. Herodias (female hero of the path or zodiac) is the constellation Virgo.
@matthewsmolinsky5605
@matthewsmolinsky5605 4 года назад
she is great, and I'm thankful for her research! Her first book was awesome, I listened to the audiobook too.
@hesuskristo5642
@hesuskristo5642 Год назад
​@abrahammani-3445you mean god will not go to heaven. god is murderer.
@MrChristopherMolloy
@MrChristopherMolloy 4 года назад
Fascinating, but I find it frustrating that these researchers & authors seem to work in bubbles, unaware of the work of others researching and writing about the same exact subject matter. Is she aware of Ralph Ellis? Is she aware of Joseph Atwill? Or they of her?
@ArmchairPhilosopher360
@ArmchairPhilosopher360 4 года назад
Amen. But, it seems like all the people you mentioned all travel in the same mythicist bubble. It would be nice to see Lena, and others, branch out and engage a Bart Ehrman-like figure, or even Bible believers. The one time Dr. Bob branched out he got an intellectual beat-down. At least we'd all be smarter for the effort.
@intermediaryfossil7163
@intermediaryfossil7163 4 года назад
In the Wars of the Jews Rufus, an EGYPTIAN BY BIRTH, grabs Eleazar/Lazarus and carries him to the Romans where he's whipped etc...This metaphor was a direct mocking of the Messianic Jews for never having really escaped Egyptian bondage as they maintain in the Old Testament. And that the Romans are using Egyptian religion to "graft" it onto the Jewish Messiah spiritual leader and the New Christ/ Lazarus in the New Testament to further humuliate the rebelling Jews. We know what happens to Lazarus during the "Feast of Lazarus" . Wala! comedic syncretism! Also, directly after the "Jesus Testimonium" a Roman, Decius Mundus pretends to be the Egyptian God Anubus to have sex with PAULina, an Isis worshipper and tells her after THREE days that he is NOT a god. Then after that a wicked Jewish man with the help of other Jews fool a Jewish woman into sending the temple 'purple and gold" and they spend it themselves. Both woman's husbands have the same name, Saturninus (Roman God of Agriculture). Remember, Eleazar/Lazarus is "commanded to be pruned"?Atwill is right. This was written to reveal that Christianity is a fake religion to condemn derisively the Jewish rebellion and to fool them into ultimately worshipping their Roman rulers. Atwill covers this in his chapter, The Puzzle of Decius Mundus. Atwill's theory has the most explanatory power for the design and intent of Christianity.
@MrChristopherMolloy
@MrChristopherMolloy 4 года назад
@@RalphEllis Well I'm glad to read that. Am I wrong in presuming that many authors are largely unaware of each other's work in this field of research?
@MrChristopherMolloy
@MrChristopherMolloy 4 года назад
An episode with Lena Einhorn, Daniel Unterbrink, and Ralph Ellis would be very fascinating.
@rikki1960
@rikki1960 4 года назад
Brilliant show; I look forward to hearing more from this highly intelligent and interesting lady; thanks Derek, great show again.
@gwolf6975
@gwolf6975 4 года назад
Jesus/Barrabas, Jesus/Thomas,,,Jesus in Gallelee/Judas of Galillee, ,, Jesus the rejected rock one with the father/ Peter(pater) father of the modern church, ' this rock" ,,,,, Jesus shares many connections with many charachters
@harveywabbit9541
@harveywabbit9541 4 года назад
There are many sun gods. Jesus was also the son of the Egyptian Neith of Sais. Her only son is the sun.
@samuelpope7798
@samuelpope7798 4 года назад
So good I had to re-watch! I think Jesus could have been the Egyptian or rather the Egyptian was the inspiration for the Jesus character in which case Jesus could still rightly be considered a myth. I just don't know until more evidence is uncovered but it is very interesting! All of the details about all of the other messianic leaders combined with the trend in individual savor cults in neighboring civilizations make the Christian mythology seem very inevitable. I feel like If I (or even better a decent modern author) didn't know anything about the new testament but had the historical knowledge mentioned above one could have written a gospel that would be shockingly similar to the ones in the bible
@chosenchild8383
@chosenchild8383 Год назад
Inspiration for the Jesus character
@marygilbertson9469
@marygilbertson9469 Год назад
How could a Baby born in Bethlehem and raised in Nazareth and spoke Aramaic be an Egyptian There is a lot of non Bibical speculation going on here
@matthewkopp2391
@matthewkopp2391 Год назад
The Ptolemaic Kingdom ended in 30BC. Only 30 years before Jesus‘s birth everyone south of Damscus was „Egyptian“. Aegyptus was the Greek name for the entire Ptolemaic Kingdom. To what degree did Israelites identify with Egypt? The Ptolemy hired Jewish scholars to translate the Tanahk into Koine Greek and to distribute copies throughout Israel, and Alexandria was the center for Jewish scholarship. If we took the Bible narrative literally Jesus was in Egypt. Some say 3 years. If we took the Bible symbolically what would the reference be in regards to going to Egypt. The obvious would be analogy to Joseph and Moses. But it also may be reference to the religious visionary and magic powers received in Egypt akin to Moses or Joseph. But there is also no reason to doubt that a historical Jesus went to Egypt. In fact it would make sense as Alexandria was the philosophical center and had a large Jewish community. But it also might be myth. But it also is important to know that Philo the Jewish Pythagorean was in Egypt at the same time as the historical Jesus who wrote the first Logos syncreticism an influence on Christian theology.
@jm329
@jm329 6 месяцев назад
Matthew 2:13-15.
@bozo5632
@bozo5632 4 года назад
Thank you Derek for hosting Lena Einhorn. I remember her from somewhere - The Bible Geek maybe? I'd like to hear more from her.
@fredtowns78
@fredtowns78 Год назад
From the gates of hell
@aquariandude3195
@aquariandude3195 3 года назад
Enjoyed Lena a lot. Please bring her back !
@aliciatucker3713
@aliciatucker3713 3 года назад
Just a point of note, Josephus use to be printed as an appendage to the Bible up until the Reformation and for some into the 1800s. Its one of the reasons that it has survived as well as it has.
@Eman_Puedama
@Eman_Puedama 4 года назад
Thanks for another perspective to add to the mix. I think there's elements of truth in many of them if not all of them. I especially like what James Valliant has to say except that he seems too reductionist for my liking. I'm looking forward to your interview with Jason Jorjani because I think there needs to be more esotericism in the mix - tho I have an uneasy feeling he thinks that Jesus was Iranian.
@ArmchairPhilosopher360
@ArmchairPhilosopher360 4 года назад
I'm looking forward to Jorjani, too. I've seen him lots of times on another channel, but never specifically about Jesus. I've never heard him say the outlandish things that pass for normal on this channel. My guess is he would talk about Iranian influences on Judaism and early Christianity, especially via Zorastrianism. He doesn't seem to be an esotericist as much as a lover of all things Iranian.
@mver191
@mver191 4 года назад
What may have happened is that 'Jesus' ran away, came back to his most trusted disciples after some days and they made up the cruxifiction to cover the time spent and/or fulfill old prophecy. Which explains the massive differences of Jesus' behavior after the last supper between the gospels. This part never happened and that is why there is no single story about it. They even seemed to have reused an earlier story for this part (which Josephus mentions). He knew the Romans were searching for him. So after 30 days being hidden by his disciples he went into obscurity and came back later as 'Paul'. Which explains the confusion with 'the Egyptian' or Jesus. Paul's backstory doesn't fit in well either. He was said to be a strict Pharisee, yet he was very Hellenistic in his thinking. And he was a Roman citizen, which a strict Pharisee never would be since it would mean you had to celebrate/honor Roman religious festivals. Jesus would be a Roman citizen if his father was indeed a Roman soldier. Depending on what he did in his youth in post Ptolemaic Egypt he would possibly speak Greek too, which explains some very Greek terms he supposedly used.
@Napoleonic_S
@Napoleonic_S 4 года назад
It gone into too much woo woo X-Files conspiracy stuffs there when you go that far into the supposed meaning of the story... The Egyptian Jesus couldn't have been Paul if Paul was already writing about Jesus and the churches in the 50s, isn't that's the same time as the Egyptian activities begun mentioned by Josephus, if I understand this conversation correctly? This stuffs is way more convoluted than any modern fictional series, lol, it's insane that this has became worldwide religion.
@mver191
@mver191 4 года назад
@@Napoleonic_S Bc the Jesus of the gospels is a later creation.
@Napoleonic_S
@Napoleonic_S 4 года назад
@@mver191 Honestly at this point I think the truth is even deeper between the lines there lol, between various theories of historical Jesus and mythical Jesus, they all blurred and joined together to form the single biggest most convoluted work of fiction in the history of mankind.
@wolf7el356
@wolf7el356 2 года назад
Crucifixion was pretty common in 1st century Palestine, the Romans used to crucify people in their occupied territories all the time.
@rapture1949
@rapture1949 Год назад
Jesus was a jew...born in Bethlehem....and he is Lord and God 😂❤ That's from the bible 😅
@jamessikes6700
@jamessikes6700 4 года назад
To me another very important key to understanding the New Testament Bible and the Gesu, Egyptian Jesus is also linking the Egyptian Akhenaten Mystery Schools to the Esoteric Wisdom hidden with in it. The word mystery is found 28 times in the N.T. for a very good reason and along with many other Bible verses such as the single Eye of Matthew 6:22-23 and the word secret found 6 times in the same chapter make me look much deeper for truth. Two other Old Testament verses that go along with the single Eye are found in Psalms 32:8 & 33:18 along with what Psalms 78:1-4 in the K.J.V. which say''s being able to incline your Ears to the words spoken will give enlightenment because the words spoken are parables and dark saying's of old. . When I found the Greek word for Eye is ophthalmos I recalled the Brain has a Optic Thalamus that is linked to the two outer eyes in the center of the human Brain which allows a person to see. Could it be that Michelangelo and his Painting of the creation of Adam be the Clue as to the real mystery of what the Bible is telling us about the Christ consciousness that resides deep within every human being. After looking at that painting I was led to a Bible verse in 2 Corinthians 4:16 about two parts of man, the outer man that perishes and the inner man that is renewed day by day, the two Adams the one within the other with out. It was then that I realized the two natures of all the major stories of the Bible were about the two states of consciousness or the two trees of good and evil that resides in mankind. The duel and the duality at war within. To me the Bible is a manual of the mystery of the Emmanuel that dwells within the human Brain that gives Spirit consciousness of a single creator who reveals himself or should I say It's self to those who diligently seek truth. When you begin to study neurotheology and the human brain and nerve system the bible will become alive and meaningful as never before. When you look at The creation of Adam Painting take note of the out line of the human skull and the Man with a long white beard on the Right side and compare it with a side view of a M.R.I. of the human brain. And then compare that same M.R.I. with the Egyptian wall carvings of Akhenaten to the Brain stem and note the similarity. Note Akhenatens elongated head and the mid Brain attached to the brain stem. Every part of the human Brain and nerve system tell the story of the bible as you connect the parts even as Ralph Ellis, Lena and Joseph Attwell has done with the Historical Jesus. Please watch a video by Santos Bonacci called The Christ in you if you are interested in following up on a deeper study of the Human Anatomy the Key to Bible understanding. Think you for allowing me to comment.
@MrDarkElement
@MrDarkElement Год назад
Duality...Akhenaten was in direct opposition to matriarchs. Bad news.
@stoneyowl6164
@stoneyowl6164 4 года назад
Thanks Derek!
@julianmontoya428
@julianmontoya428 Год назад
GOD knows who all people are! GOD KNOWS WHO JESUS WAS, WHO HE IS ,AND WHO HE WILL BE! ...what humas was there? Thes claim through science and research they will find truth? Truth is the will of God! Truth is what God saids truth was, is, and will be!....looking up others opinons? Gossip? Rumours? ...rather then wast your time. Spend time with God!
@rafaeljuniorsierra-9708
@rafaeljuniorsierra-9708 Год назад
So what are you trying to say! No blood that saves? THATS BLASPHEMY! THAT MYSTERY IS WHAT THE EVENT WITH ISAAC IS ALL ABOUT! YOU FOOLISH WOMAN!
@aharsn6854
@aharsn6854 Год назад
Ok let's see Jesus was mistaken for an Egyptian several times..so let's think for who was the Egyptians ?!..question would be what did the Egyptians looked like?🤔hmmmm..p o c.
@danielferguson3784
@danielferguson3784 8 месяцев назад
The Commander doesn't have to have a whole Cohort with him all the time. A Cohort can be 500 men, not always 1000. The disciples will have had a different point of view to Josephus & others. Why include Pilate & Ciaphas etc if these were not involved? Paul etc were literate, they could have writings from Jesus time giving the story, as well as survivors from that time. An important event to some might go unremarked by other contemporaries. Pilate is known by Josephus to have crucified many Jews. Of course you cannot say there were NO robbers or rebels in the period, just because it names none in Josephus. Later rebels could be aping Jesus, & earlier rebels, bar kochbar claimed to be the Messiah like the others. Jesus name was lost to Jewish mainstream history because he did not raise a conventional rebellion, but a more personal one. The Christians had to differentiate themselves from the rebel Jews to protect their own lives during the revolt, showing that they already existed by the 60's AD. If course Josephus had religious motives, as an apologist for Judaism to the Romans. He had to justify Jewish history & religion. You can't just remove the Jesus bits out to suit your narrative. James the brother of Jesus must have importance or why even mention this? Celsius & other much later figures cannot be trusted for early Christian times. The Egyptian may have remained in the Jewish canon through knowledge of Josephus, while the real Jesus had already been discounted. Jesus is nowhere said to be preaching as a child. The first sign is of his appearance among the teachers in the Temple at 12 years of age.
@uncleambient
@uncleambient 4 года назад
Lena's research is excellent and I think she may be right. Another great show from Mythvision. Keep 'em coming Derek.
@misterwakeupcall
@misterwakeupcall Год назад
Gee, I wonder if this means anything? “I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt” Ho 12:9. docs.google.com/document/d/1JPLnlK1ob7VbVBxZldo6SPuvrV-97VJ2/edit?usp=share_link&ouid=111264927372437710097&rtpof=true&sd=true
@misterwakeupcall
@misterwakeupcall Год назад
@abraham mani What makes you think you will not suffer the same fate as everyone else, under a misanthropic God that promises to destroy each and every one of us, regardless of one's religious conviction. he destroyeth the perfect and the wicked. Job 9:22 He turneth man to destruction Ps 90: 3 “Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him” Job 13: 15. ???
@misterwakeupcall
@misterwakeupcall Год назад
@abraham mani How shall I prepare myself? Give me one good reason why I should be envious of the foolish. O foolish people and unwise? De 32: 6 Behold! I have played thee a fool, 1 Sa 26: 21 Thou shalt be as one of the fools in Israel.2 Sa 13: 13 O God, thou knowest my foolishness; Ps 69: 5 For I was envious of the foolish. Ps 73: 3 A brutish man knoweth not, neither doth a fool understand this, Ps 92: 6 fools despise wisdom and instruction. Pr 1: 7 For my people is foolish. Jer 4: 22 Hear now this, O foolish people,n Jer 5 : 21 God hath chosen the foolish things of the world, 1 Co 1: 27 We are fools for Christ’s sake, 1Co 4:10 No thank you
@maricamicallef9545
@maricamicallef9545 Год назад
​@abraham mani your sacred little book is all copied from the sumerian tablets and others. When you say Amen you are worshipping Amen-ra the most evil. The God in the bible is Yahweh,distructive,angry and evil. When you look at that sweet picture of Jesus on your wall you are praying to Cesare Borgia that ordered da vinci to paint a picture of him to claim that is jesus so he will be forever worshipped and oh by the way Jesus means " Hell Zeus" so everytime you are praying you are Helling Zeus. Before you preach with your brainwashed brain at least research first. Hell is a myth by the way but if you believe so much in it, that's what you will get.
@eresmathias8058
@eresmathias8058 Год назад
U da man D!!
@02sweden
@02sweden 4 года назад
I really like her thinking, it is down to earth, and looking closely to the story to get the facts out! She has a lot of training in reasearch in the area of medical training as a specialist MD in oncology/virology. I cant wait to see more of here and her conclusions about the "old testament-caracters".
@nkemanizor5388
@nkemanizor5388 Год назад
This lines up with what The Honorable Elijah Muhammad taught about the true history of Jesus. He was an Egyptian sent to the Jews, but he never had a large following. Most of the language and stories of the New Testament are symbolic and prophetic, not literal history.
@jasonhayward6965
@jasonhayward6965 Год назад
Rome and eygpt cut deals everywhere. Food mainly. Any country with er in it means empire Rome. Nigeria Niger Cameroon in Africa was all food production .more food more stability in the empire. Cleopatra runs it all , with Anthony . This transfers into beliefs and religion changes fuses beliefs.
@jpatpat9360
@jpatpat9360 7 месяцев назад
11 of the 12 disciples died horrible deaths, and no human being would willingly die for what they know to be a lie. Even athiest bible scholars agree that Jesus was a real historical figure.
@jm329
@jm329 6 месяцев назад
Just because people believe it, doesn’t mean they weren’t lied to. Look at all the cults around the world that people die for. Are you implying that they are all true?
@jpatpat9360
@jpatpat9360 6 месяцев назад
@@jm329 those disciples knew Jesus personally for at least 3 years and saw his deeds and ministry, and James was his brother - they knew the truth! I'm not saying that the early Catholic church didn't redact, hide or expand parts of the NT; just that human nature being what it is, NOBODY would not only sacrifice their livelihood to be a poor missionary but also be willing to die a painful cruel death for a lie. These guys were eyewitnesses
@jm329
@jm329 6 месяцев назад
@@jpatpat9360 It’s also an issue that we don’t have any proof that they did die for it. It’s mainly just tradition.
@krumplethemal8831
@krumplethemal8831 Месяц назад
​@@jpatpat9360Chances are the apostles were made up characters to fulfill a narrative. Look and examine Thomas. He supposedly witnessed Jesus carry out dozens of miracles yet then all of a sudden doubts that he rose from the dead? That makes NO sense. Thomas even saw Jesus bring a man back to life yet can't fathom Jesus returning to life? It's because Thomas character is being used to push a narrative. That's why this plot hole is missed. No one cares if Thomas makes sense, he was the doubter and you should not doubt! No, he's made up.
@MrDarkElement
@MrDarkElement Год назад
Cairo was a major learning center known as "The Mystery Schools". Priest, scholars and those who follow The Order of Melchizedek studied there.
@mokambedialeandisonmase9064
THIS WOMAN IS A LEGEND. SHE IS MAKING A LOT OF SENSE.HER REASONING IS NOT LIKE THE OTHER POPULAR AUTHORS. SHE IS SLENDID IN HER EXPLANATION.
@rexuniversal5254
@rexuniversal5254 11 месяцев назад
She is making a lot of NONSENSE.
@sisaytamene8668
@sisaytamene8668 10 месяцев назад
How many demons she had?
@rayreyes6399
@rayreyes6399 8 месяцев назад
As the end is getting near the Bible is trying to warn us that these so called "authorities" "well educated people" will try everything to distort the truth cause most of them are "godless" self serving and with evil intent, most of us will be deceived (the educated?) take them as a grain of salt cause only at the end that the truth will be revealed to us...
@sharonthomas3459
@sharonthomas3459 Год назад
Wow thankyou lena , this has had me in knots for so long and i find this brilliant news and the research you have done actually makes alot of sense too me basnabas or my spelling you have just set me free.
@CredibleHulk10
@CredibleHulk10 9 месяцев назад
This is convoluted af
@sharonthomas3459
@sharonthomas3459 Год назад
Wow i have just figured this barabbas and jesus at the left and right side of pontius pilate this scipt was not to be taken literal it is a metaphor / respresentation needed decoding . So pontius having jesus on both sides they are one and the same and pontius respresentation of god with jesus on the left hand and right hand of god. Both jesus /s' on the right hand and left hand of god are respresenting good and evil or sin and sinner. This all is a metaphor and a representation of the left and right hemispheres of the brain.
@shanejohns7901
@shanejohns7901 4 года назад
I just bought both books. I have been studying this for decades as well, and would love to hear more from Lena Einhorn.
@donnievance1942
@donnievance1942 Год назад
@abraham mani Thanks for the voodoo incantation.
@louisaccardi2268
@louisaccardi2268 Год назад
@@donnievance1942 Be careful, because what Abraham said is basically all the inspired scriptures of truth. It has nothing to do with voodoo incantations.
@PortmanRd
@PortmanRd Год назад
Voodoo? 😂
@louisaccardi2268
@louisaccardi2268 Год назад
@@PortmanRd Really?
@MrDarkElement
@MrDarkElement Год назад
Egyptian is comparable to Gypsy.
@julianjanssen5499
@julianjanssen5499 4 года назад
She's interesting, but the moment she got into the Jesus and Paul being the same person, she lost me. Suddenly, I realized it just seems very unlikely. It seems to me that the way she finds the Egyptian everywhere seems to exhibit a sort of Texas sharpshooter type methodology. What really made it fall apart for me is that Paul was very clearly in disagreement with the "pillars" of the Christian church, but if Paul was Jesus that makes no sense at all. And every explanation you have to layer on to this makes it less likely, not moreso.
@ArmchairPhilosopher360
@ArmchairPhilosopher360 4 года назад
I'm always amazed at the many ways scholars deconstruct Jesus into whatever ventriloquist dummy (as Dr. Bob says) they want him to be. I respect scholars when they're speculating, but the information is always presented to us sheeple as the Gospel truth rather than an imaginative way to sell books and make money.
@lissam8988
@lissam8988 4 года назад
It's very interesting that she said that Jesus and Paul could possibly be the same person. When I was 14 years old I was reading how the crucifixion Resurrection happened and when Paul came on the scene later he said something about a thorn in his flesh now this could be symbolic or realistic however it really made me think about when Jesus got stabbed in the side. And at 14 years old I thought maybe Jesus is Paul. I'm in my late 40s now and I still think that.
@ArmchairPhilosopher360
@ArmchairPhilosopher360 4 года назад
@@lissam8988 Interesting. Dr Bob says Paul is Simon Magus and Lena says Jesus is the Egyptian. It gets confusing how many split personalities these people have. No wonder so many people go around saying they're Jesus, too.
@mver191
@mver191 4 года назад
@@ArmchairPhilosopher360 I've read her paper and she didn't present much evidence in this conversation, but she does in her paper and it is good evidence. Another example that Jesus might've been leading a rebel army : Luke 9 53 But the people there refused to welcome Him, because He was heading for Jerusalem. 54 When the disciples James and John saw this, they asked, “Lord, do You want us to call down fire from heaven to consume them?” 55 But Jesus turned and rebuked them. So basically they asked if they should burn down a village along the way because the villagers didn't support his rebellion.
@ArmchairPhilosopher360
@ArmchairPhilosopher360 4 года назад
@@mver191 ​ People say Jesus was a lot of different things. These all can't be simultaneously true, and often scholars like Lena project parallels onto Jesus (rightly or wrongly), which may seem far-fetched or at least inconsistent, so it get hard to honestly tell where the truth lays despite our best intentions.
@alanjbuddendeck186
@alanjbuddendeck186 6 месяцев назад
Thank you, both, for such a compelling discussion and exploration. Truly appreciate your willingness to take a deeper dive into the New Testament in an historical context. Very thoughtful and thought-provoking.🌿🌞🕊️
@christeneallen9748
@christeneallen9748 3 года назад
I feel like I found a pot of gold 🌈 ... thank YOU both SO MUCH!!! 💜
@inagordan4589
@inagordan4589 Год назад
this is total nonsence. it's not true to anything she says.
@Shadoweknows76
@Shadoweknows76 Год назад
I was Christian when I witnessed the second coming of Enoch 4/27/17 at 7pm I had his book for years but thought it would be blasphemous to read it. Turns out he's our true messiah named by creator sealed books and called it good he Never goes back on his own words. Jesus/Hail Zeus lucifer enki ra amenra amen lord baal ya yaweh yawehism serpent worship. All blasphemous adulterous act against the Most High Aravat. Our creator. Glory to the Most High Aravat Only ❤ thank you Archangel Metatron for bringing justice at his right hand and leading/Head of all angels ❤❤❤❤
@finnjake6174
@finnjake6174 4 года назад
Thank you mythvision. You should also make your patreon at the end of the video. And ask for more likes, to get up in the youtube algorithm. Really high quality stuff, Ralph podcast yesterday blew my mind. Could you please inform me of the ambient music at the start of the video also ? :)
@MythVisionPodcast
@MythVisionPodcast 4 года назад
It's a song titled "The_Ten_Names" It's in RU-vid's free music download section but may be searchable on youtube.
@casparbrock7441
@casparbrock7441 4 года назад
Weak theory. Ms. Einhorn is obviously not a scholar, as she candidly admits. For example (from the 18th minute of the video), there were no units of 1,000 in the Roman Legions. The word 'speira' was a general term for a detachment of an unspecified number. A chiliarch (not a roman military rank) is translated a "tribune" in Acts 23:17. A tribune was a staff officer. They had no role on the battlefield. There were six tribunes to a legion. Thus the chiliarch (tribune) was most likely there to observe in an official capacity while the speira (detachment of an unspecified number) made the arrest of Jesus the Nazarene, according to the internal evidence of the script in John 18:12. Other points of Ms. Einhorn's theory are similarly disqualified as factual data, from a learned exegetical standpoint. No offense. Just the facts.
@kellilockey8377
@kellilockey8377 4 года назад
super interesting! The Egyptian calendar started over with every pharoh. So, if Jesus was egyptian and claiming his egyptian lineage, then he could have "started the clock over for his reign", so that could be why he is in the "30's". One timeline could be the Egyptian timeline and one could be the Roman timeline.
@chrisnewbury3793
@chrisnewbury3793 4 года назад
Wow! I think you just nailed it. As much as I love this video, and the work of Ralph Ellis, I was never satisfied with their reasoning for the discrepancy and always suspected it had something to do with our calendar, in other words, how we're counting the date.
@kellilockey8377
@kellilockey8377 4 года назад
Chris Newbury yes. I love Ralph Ellis work but Cleopatra started the calendar over when her reign began, so it would make sense that any Egyptian lineage “king” would do the same. There’s always a 30-40 year difference in timelines and I definitely have come to believe it’s because depending on who was writing they were using different calendars. Just my thoughts for what they’re worth.
@jflaplaylistchannelunoffic3951
The starting point of the Christian calendar was calculated centuries later by Dionysius Exiguus, long after Christianity became state religion of the Roman Empire.
@MrDarkElement
@MrDarkElement Год назад
Paul was Josephus.
@open2626
@open2626 2 года назад
The Jesus myth is from the being known as Osiris! A post Atlantean being (well before any humans were in Egypt)! Do your research people!
@brisadelcastillo2840
@brisadelcastillo2840 Год назад
Look up "THE CRUCIFIX FISH - WHAT THE CRUCIFIX FISH REVEALS"
@psuedozardozz
@psuedozardozz 4 года назад
That was a really intense mythvision,. Hopefully I can get a copy of her book.
@killforce787878
@killforce787878 3 года назад
Jesus or whatever hes called was most certainly egyptian. almost everything he said was of egyptian descent. and then theres all the weird old testament connections. Abrahams son ismael who was born from an egyptian mother. then theres joseph who had two sons that were born of an egyptian mother. Then theres moses who was egyptian stating that a prophet like him would arise. The hebrews wouldnt have accepted an egyptian messiah. God is indeed pouring out his Spirit and revealing all things.
@thebearsden1701
@thebearsden1701 10 месяцев назад
This vid really coincides with the historical Jesus story by Ralph Ellis !
@hailegripshealthfitnessmil7270
@hailegripshealthfitnessmil7270 4 года назад
Some of the most badass evidence I've ever heard, I'm motivated to study more! One Love Lena Einhorn
@deconverted4064
@deconverted4064 Год назад
This is such a fascinating take! Please do more of these!
@mushypeasplease8872
@mushypeasplease8872 4 года назад
I've had Lena Einhorn's books in my wish list for ages after Dr Price talked about them on the bible geek. I'm going to have to finally get them now. This episode has been an absolute delight.
@tomaseriksson4533
@tomaseriksson4533 10 месяцев назад
I want to learn more about this. It is a shame that I can't find any other source about this and nobody dig deeper into it. I'm a little bit upset that she don't get the respect that she deserves. It will probably take more than 20 years before some male expert write a book about the same topic and get famous.
@DavidWilson-uf5mv
@DavidWilson-uf5mv 4 года назад
Rarely but occasionally a scholar comes along like this fine lady. It takes the study of the New Testament to a whole new level. Thank you.
@777.62
@777.62 Год назад
@abraham mani bot
@louisaccardi2268
@louisaccardi2268 Год назад
David it takes the study of the NT to a new all time low.
@Thor-Orion
@Thor-Orion 11 месяцев назад
⁠​⁠@@louisaccardi2268the New Testament should be called “The Many Deceptions of Saul the Traitor.” Dude personally got an entire family fighting for the freedom of the nation executed in the most brutally horrific ways. He hunted them down using his Roman benefactors and killed them all. Judah of Galilee and all of his descendants, one by one; Jacob {James the Just/St Steven} Simon bar Giora {Simon Peter/St Peter/Simon the Zealot}, Judah Ben Judah {St Jude/Judah Thaddaeus} Manehem Ben Judah, Jacob Ben Zebedee{James the Great}) Now I’m not 100% sure which of these men had the Honorific title of Yeshua the Redeemer, but they all had honorific names; James was the Just, Simon was the Rock of Moses, Jacob Ben Zebedee is James the Great, etc.
@geeteea2896
@geeteea2896 2 года назад
I love this Hypothesis. Haven't listened to so many scholars on mythvision, I have concluded there are figment of truth because the indevidual evidences are compelling. However, I have noticed one fundamental missing, who were these people the Romans were trying to subjugate? Why is it deficult to categorise these people. History tells us that this location was and still is, North-East of the continent of Africa inhabited by Melanin dominated humans. Is there a deliberate attempt to hide the identity of the inhabitants? There are tribes in Africa who's folk tale still Chronicles the destruction of Jerusalem. I will be happy if mythvision can ask scholars the ethnicity of the people Romans were confronting.
@kat8987
@kat8987 3 года назад
This woman, is originally a doctor in the study of virology. Make note!! Only certain people like her, goes beneath anyone else I’ve heard on this channel which is exactly what we need. She in my opinion, is studied in micro, macro +++. Not much can pass her by without observation... There is a Jesus/ Yeshuah, and he’s as much hidden as his Bride (One) is. Wow, these are interesting times!! Cheers!!
@tctc440
@tctc440 Год назад
Theory = SPECULATION Interesting Narrative ...
@SpiderPriestess
@SpiderPriestess Год назад
This vid gave me chills as only the truth can ! Amazing !
@mikeoveli1028
@mikeoveli1028 2 года назад
Paul is Jesus????? Now that just blew my mind. Bart Ehrman shook my world. This launched me to a different planet. I love this!
@theswan1852
@theswan1852 3 года назад
14:00 I found this fascinating and looked around for these records. Internet says the Romans often killed thousands without recording it. However, it's enlightening to me that mass crucifixions come in waves and are not constant. I've read that it screwed up daily life a lot as Jews would not use roads lined with crucifixions.
@robkim55
@robkim55 4 года назад
Jesus= Paul =Josephus ??? + scribes at the Imperial Court ? Is this a work of fiction?
@willempasterkamp862
@willempasterkamp862 4 года назад
no, no, no
@michaelvallance532
@michaelvallance532 3 года назад
Lena is onto something big here. The Egyptian is our best candidate for Jesus.
@stephanyfaycohen3842
@stephanyfaycohen3842 Год назад
51:58 JESUS himself (amongst many others) is standing quietly behind LENA EINHORN's right shoulder. After watching this video, I suddenly saw JESUS in my mind. He was in a simple long robe, wearing sandals. Tall and slim. Of quiet demeanour. We walked arm in arm. I told him I would love to channel him in some way, shape or form.
@Black_unity597
@Black_unity597 Год назад
What did he look like? I would love to know!
@ceesvegh4904
@ceesvegh4904 4 года назад
Great stuff, great book, lovely lady!
@AGoddess
@AGoddess 3 года назад
I just read this book. It was so fascinating. Totally believe Jesus was the Egyptian...especially now knowing there are coptic writings about a shapeshifting "Jesus"
@wolf7el356
@wolf7el356 2 года назад
It points to the reason as to why the Gnostic Gospels were omitted from the Cannonical scriptures of the Bible. It also calls into to question his right to claim the throne of Israel as a descendant of King David.
@samuelpope7798
@samuelpope7798 4 года назад
What a great video! This is amazing I have never heard this before. You must have Lena Einhorn on with Robert Price!
@philseida5238
@philseida5238 3 года назад
How about Lena Einhorn, Dr. Robert Price and Ralph Ellis all together on a Future Podcast of yours Derrick? That would be beyond cool if you could somehow make that happen. Thanks Derrick for all that you do and opening our minds with great insight and expansion.
@DarwinsStepChildren
@DarwinsStepChildren Год назад
The only problem is Matthew 2:23 and Luke 2:39. Both Matthew and Luke come up with different elaborate stories that state that Jesus is born in Bethlehem. The reason is to try and fulfill the prophecy stated in Micah, Micah 5:2. However, if Jesus is based on an Egyptian and was not Jewish and never lived in Jerusalem, what is the purpose of Matthew 2:23 and Luke 2:39? These passages essentially state that after being born in Bethlehem, Jesus lives his life in Nazareth. If Jesus is fictional and based on an Egyptian, why not simply say that Jesus was born AND lived his life in Bethlehem? The only reasonable and logical reason for Matthew 2:23 and Luke 2:39 is that an actual individual was born and lived in Nazareth. Which later required an elaborate story to have this individual born in Bethlehem to coincide with Micah 5:2. Again, if Jesus did not exist and was based on someone else, it would be WAY simpler to write that Jesus was born, raised, and lived in Bethlehem, without even mentioning Nazareth at all. Granted, Matthew suggests that Jesus living in Nazareth coincides with a prophecy, but does not state which prophecy, and Luke does not state that Jesus living in Nazareth coincides with any prophecy. Many scholars have suggested Matthew states that it is prophecy hoping no one knows the 'old testament' off by heart to actually argue this point in the first century C.E. The question comes again, why would Matthew try to come up with a non existent prophecy to have Jesus live in Nazareth unless a real individual named Jesus actually did live in Nazareth? If Jesus was only based on someone else, again, why even bother creating a made up prophecy for Jesus to live in Nazareth? Why not simply state that Jesus was born and lived in Bethlehem and ignore trying to make up prophecy at all?
@artstrology
@artstrology 6 месяцев назад
The Temple of Hathor at Dendera was dedicated in 18 ce,...and that is the temple that contains the information the bible is derived from. The characters may be loosely based on some actual people, but the stories are structured using the 35 decans and 20 days. If people learned those, the mystery evaporates. When your consciousness is trapped by the gregorian calendar, you are out of position to understand reality and human knowledge.
@realherbalism1017
@realherbalism1017 7 месяцев назад
PLEASE LISTEN! JESUS IS KING! Ha, Ha, Ha, just kidding. For real, I can believe this 100%. Compare Jesus' baptism with the 2nd paredros rite in the PGM, I think you will be surprised how similar the acceptance of the deity in the PGM is to the acceptance of Jesus in the Gospels. That is Greco-Egyptian Magic & he most likely was a magician who practiced PGM material.
@mashroorsiddique724
@mashroorsiddique724 4 года назад
Wow ! Thanks Derek ! Big fan of Dr. Einhorn , she is very precise and logical in her points (on par or may be above Dr. Price ) .
@vipnetworker
@vipnetworker 5 месяцев назад
In the Bible, Acts 21:38 says, "Are you not the Egyptian, then, who recently stirred up a revolt and led the four thousand men of the Assassins out into the wilderness?" . In this verse, a Roman officer mistakes Paul for an Egyptian who led a revolt in 54 A.D.. The Egyptian had led 4,000 Jews to the Mount of Olives, and the commander thought Paul had captured an important outlaw. The commander may have confused Paul with a notorious Egyptian terrorist because the general complexion of Egyptians is similar to the general complexion of Judeans.
@fibromyalgia09
@fibromyalgia09 Год назад
Ottoman empire took over Constantinenople and stole the oricles of Jerusalem from the temple of Sophia Constantinenople then they hyjacked christian church Rome and got Constantine to write out Ashera God's wife from first Bible...
@adamgreenwood9785
@adamgreenwood9785 Год назад
I have a personal theory that in some ways draws on this one and also "The Passover Plot" in which it was hypothesised that Jesus orchestrated him ministry and death to match the prophecies. Really for me in hinges on a few points: Early Church fathers and Paul seem not to know anything about the life of Jesus. In fact I believe some Church fathers say words to the effect of "It's a pity we don't know anything of his earthly life". The Jesus in Mark feels very real and human, not a made-up hero like in John. The disciples tell Jesus there are others casting out demons in his name! Okay so short version of my theory is this: Christianity started as a Mystery cult with a mythical/angelic Jesus figure. This is the movement Paul was part of and several small sects of this cult existed from the 30s onwards. Around the 50s, an initiate of this cult declared/believed himself to be the Jesus they spoke of and that the stories were actually prophecies not things that had been. He began preaching, teaching and healing - this is the Jesus of Mark. As time passed, the timeline blurred and Church leaders came to accept that the accounts of this man's life and teaching were the origins of their faith. Later gospels embellished the story and brought it more in line with the Jesus figure of the cult so that by the 2nd century the fact that Christianity predated the "real" Jesus by 20-30 years had been forgotten/heavily disguised. Anyway, that's a very potted version if anyone's interested. I also have theories on the Ressurection that do not require anyone to be lying, just some linguistic misunderstandings.
@PatriciaJackson-s5o
@PatriciaJackson-s5o 10 месяцев назад
Judah was dark complexion .Simeon was dark Dominican. Levi was Haitian If their mother was Syrian and father was Indian.
@thandombekeni5628
@thandombekeni5628 Год назад
All I Can Derek the has come ,truth is out now, Thank u very much for bringing intellectuals as Great as your Guests on Myth vision, 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢 John the Baptisted is Theodors and Pontius Pilanto is Felix , Religion played with us .😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮
@Hernandez-w6x
@Hernandez-w6x 2 месяца назад
2,000 years of the male mesaiah (jesus) ended April 8 2024 ......the female mesaiah begins the new era
@VoidTower_
@VoidTower_ 3 года назад
I’m going to continue with this video, but my main question is how Paul’s epistles fit into this theory.
@jataayawilliams7870
@jataayawilliams7870 Год назад
I have a question for u guy’s we are totally two different types of species we the guardians of the galaxy we love ❤️ the sun ☀️ on the other hand 🤚🏿 your species can’t take the ☀️you have to ask yourself why cnt we take the ☀️which powers life and why do we need SUNSCREEN 🧴 to be outside these are just a few things you guy’s should be asking each other instead of trying to decipher another species history who’s been here since the beginning we are nine 9 series beings everyone else is a six series being ths is why we are separate from all nations we are completion WE have NO animal 🦓 DNA you guys are genetically slice from four different animals this is the information that you guy’s should be researching instead of worrying about JESUS and EGYPTIANS tht have nothing to do with y’all or you all’s history WE CREATED EVERYTHING AND YOU GUYS STOLE EVERYTHING FROM US NOT JUST INVENTIONS BUT EVERYTHING WE ARE DUALITY OPPOSITES IF WE ARE LIFE and you’re the opposite then you kno your title must be DEATH YALL TIME 2 RULE IS OVER NO MORE CHAPERONING GODS CHOOSEN PEOPLE THE REAL JEWS NOT JEWISH FAKE TERM NOT A RELIGION BUT A BLOODLINE THE ☀️FEEDS US WE HAVE HAIR NOT FUR REMEMBER NO ANIMAL DNA THE SUN SON ☀️WILL SEPARATE THE REAL FROM THE FAKE!!!
@Rafael-zl7fh
@Rafael-zl7fh Год назад
Any writings that deny YESHUA is the Christos or Meshiah is heretical blasphemy. Any writings that claim YESHUAH did not redeem US by his blood is also heritical blasphemy. BEWARE YOU GENTILES! WE KNOW YOU NEVER BELIEVED ANYWAY. YOUR ACTIONS TOWARD THE PEOPLES AND LANDS OF THE EARTH BARE WITNESS OF YOUR CRIMES AGAINST YHWH.
@eleazarlopez3292
@eleazarlopez3292 9 месяцев назад
BASICS 1) There are more than 4 Gospels 2) These four are almost exactly witten (it's IMPOSSIBLE to have four writers or journalists produce exact texts on reporting a series of events 3) How is it that four fishermen new how to write? // The problem is not historic, which has been exhaustively investigated (and critized by such sharp minds as Voltaire), the problem is moral because through time men have persecuted and killed millions, while Barnum-type smarties and institutions spiritually and materially swindle gullible billions with these biblilcal fairy tales.
@onlyme972
@onlyme972 Год назад
At least there's independent evidence for the Egyptian none for Jesus
@brisadelcastillo2840
@brisadelcastillo2840 Год назад
Look up "THE CRUCIFIX FISH - WHAT THE CRUCIFIX FISH REVEALS"
@GODSPEAKS898
@GODSPEAKS898 Год назад
Jesus was born into a Jewish family who followed Jewish law (Luke 2:27). Jesus’ lineage is from the tribe of Judah, one of the twelve tribes of Israel. He was born in the Jewish town of Bethlehem and raised in Nazareth. Jesus was fully immersed in Jewish culture, nationality, and religion. Jesus practiced the religion of first-century Judaism. He was “born under the law” (Galatians 4:4) and grew up learning the Torah and following its precepts. He perfectly obeyed the Mosaic Law-all the commandments, ordinances, and feasts (Hebrews 4:14-16). He not only obeyed the Law; He fulfilled it and brought its requirements to a close (Matthew 5:17-18; Romans 10:4). Jesus and His disciples observed the Passover (John 2:13, 23; Luke 22:7-8) and the Feast of Tabernacles (John 7:2, 10). He kept an unnamed Jewish feast in John 5:1. He attended worship services and taught in synagogues (Mark 1:21; 3:1; John 6:59; 18:20). He advised others to observe the Law of Moses and offer sacrifices (Mark 1:44). He promoted respect for the Law as it was being taught by the scribes and Pharisees of His day (Matthew 23:1-3). He quoted the Tanakh often (e.g., Mark 12:28-31; Luke 4:4, 8, 12). In all of this, Jesus showed that His religion was Judaism. As Jesus spoke to a group of Jews, He issued a bold challenge to them: “Can any of you prove me guilty of sin?” (John 8:46). If Jesus had in any way departed from the religious observances of Judaism, His enemies would have immediately seized this opportunity to condemn Him. As it was, Jesus had a knack for silencing His critics (Matthew 22:46). Jesus had many harsh words for the leaders within His own religion. It’s important to remember that Jesus’ condemnation of the Pharisees, scribes, and Sadducees (Matthew 23) was not a condemnation of the Law or of the Judaism of the day. Jesus’ denunciations of hypocrites, corrupt officials, and the self-righteous were in sharp contrast to His commendation of those who were devout before God and lived out their faith honestly (see Luke 21:1-4). Jesus spoke out against certain religious leaders because “they teach man-made ideas as commands from God” (Matthew 15:9, NLT). On two occasions, Jesus cleared the temple of thieving, rapacious sinners (John 2:14-17; Matthew 21:12-13). These actions were not designed to destroy Judaism but to purify it. Jesus was an observant Jew who perfectly followed the Law. His death brought an end to the Old Covenant God had made with Israel-shown in the tearing of the temple veil (Mark 15:38)-and established the New Covenant (Luke 22:20). The early church was rooted in Judaism and Jewish messianism, and the earliest believers in Christ were mostly Jews. But as the believers proclaimed the risen Jesus as the Messiah, the unbelieving Jews rejected them, and they were forced to make a clean break from Judaism (see Acts 13:45-47). Jesus was the Messiah that the Jews had been anticipating. He was born into the religion of Judaism, fulfilled the Jewish religion, and, when His own rejected Him, He gave His life as a sacrifice for the sins of the world. His blood ratified the New Covenant, and, soon after His death, Judaism lost its temple, its priesthood, and its sacrifices. Lastly, was Jesus Christ the Son Of God Egyptian? Absolutely Not!!!! Was Jesus Christ born Jewish ABSOLUTELY!!!!
@brisadelcastillo2840
@brisadelcastillo2840 Год назад
See God's memorial to the crucifixion, look up "THE CRUCIFIX FISH - WHAT THE CRUCIFIX FISH REVEALS"
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