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The New York Jets opted to go with Olu Fashanu with their 1st-round pick, deciding to protect Aaron Rodgers instead of giving him a new weapon. Colin Cowherd and former Jets HC Eric Mangini reflect on the pick, and the shocking selection of Michael Penix Jr. by the Atlanta Falcons. Plus, they ask if Bo Nix will be a good fit for the Denver Broncos.
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@TheHerdOnFS1 10 дней назад

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@robertsaleh9402 10 дней назад

Up yours Colin

@DJSpocktimus 10 дней назад

Colin: "The Jets need to draft o-line, drafting a WR or TE is a waste of a pick." *Jets draft o-line* Colin: "Here's a guest who can come in and prove why it was a bad idea for the Jets to draft o-line."

@kingjayburner 9 дней назад

Nah coach is a clown for wanted Bowers over o line

@ChristopherR236 9 дней назад

Just Colin being Colin

@casiemny1219 9 дней назад

And that’s part of a good show

@casiemny1219 9 дней назад

@@kingjayburnernah he’s not, he’s explained exactly why

@cecilio2194 10 дней назад

If the broncos wanted JJ they could have easily traded up to get him.

@samcz1784 10 дней назад

Agreed. And they looked happy when they drafted Nix as well. Not every teams war room is gonna throw a party when they draft there guy.

@db212006 10 дней назад

Sean said in the press conferance that he was smokescreening McCarthy all draft season. Nobody wanted him that high...Minnesota bit. Exactly what Denver wanted.

@B.Piercesports 10 дней назад

@db212006 where can I find that?

@Whatsthedill_ENT 10 дней назад

Why qhen they will tank to get sheduer

@343Films 10 дней назад

@@db212006He never said that. Why are you lying?

@johnmadrigal2574 10 дней назад

Eric is acting like he was a winning head coach

@pulidojoker88 8 дней назад

Mic drop 🤣

@tommckowen5546 7 дней назад

Doesn’t need to be a successful head coach, his work as an assistant and the very fact he was qualified to be head coach gives him more than enough merit

@johnmadrigal2574 7 дней назад

@@tommckowen5546 Yeah but no one is an expert it’s all guessing just like CJ Stroud was a risk yet he was the best quarterback drafted so no one doesn’t know nothing everyone passed on Puka so ???

@leolee6786 10 дней назад

Sean Payton would NOT have mortgaged his legacy on a guy he wasn’t confident about. If he wanted JJ he would’ve traded up. That simple

@mdb1010 10 дней назад

Bo nix is better and ill die on that hill

@travisoshea 10 дней назад

@@mdb1010you might be right but, coaches have the guys that they like they they FEEL they can work with the best that fits what they want to do offensively. It’s not Madden and you take the highest rated player. If that’s the case then there would never be a Tom Brady

@Seddysaid 10 дней назад

Denver didn't have any capital to trade up even though they would rather have other qbs. They got Bo out of desperation

@yellowbear521 10 дней назад

Monday morning gm , nobody saw the falcons taking penix

@Seddysaid 10 дней назад

😂 with what's picks are you trading up with?? They were going to get the 5th qb no matter who it was

@tjayd1225 10 дней назад

So mangini believes because they haven’t fixed the o line, they should just stop trying to fix it?

@DarksouIjah 10 дней назад

He’s not the brightest.

@MikeyBoomB0tz 8 дней назад

thats why im glad he isnt our GM anymore

@keithsims5109 10 дней назад

Care less what this guy has to say about Bo, I am happy we got him, welcome Bo to Bronco Country

@7N01 10 дней назад

If Mangini was good at evaluating talent he'd still be in the NFL

@Frenchfry_McFlurry 10 дней назад

Colin you genius! You put up a smoke screen for Sean Payton and denver saying they wanted JJ McCarthy. I just saw Payton’s interview about getting Nix, you’re a great friend. And to the other guy, there’s no need to jump and get excited when you get Nix bc 1) it was almost certain at that point 2)they put in all the other work (smoke screens, misdirections etc) to assure they got the guy they wanted without trading away picks. I’ve seen sean unhappy with a qb (Russ) and you can tell this was the guy he truly wanted

@justynfrisby9742 10 дней назад

If denver truly really wanted Mccarthy they could have outbid Minnesota at that spot. There also was celebrating and Nix fits that offense perfectly. With sean and manning coming out saying they liked McCarthy, thats a clear smoke screen

@nevermind55555 9 дней назад

Smoke screen for what? MN was always picking JJ. How did them moving up help the Broncos?

@capacitacionyconsultoriaes6319 9 дней назад

No draft capital. Not am option.

@watchmesquatch 9 дней назад

@@nevermind55555 cry

@nevermind55555 9 дней назад

@@watchmesquatch lol. Say what? Cry? Why? I am not a fan of either team. Your comment was just dumb.

@rockymarquiss8327 6 дней назад

Even if MN had outbid them - if they had been in a bidding war it would be reflected in the transaction. MN didn't give up much for that trade, which tells me there never was a bidding war going on.

@thejuggernaut5327 10 дней назад

Mangini on fire today 😂

@jonathansabouri 10 дней назад

He was so funny on FTF

@travisoshea 10 дней назад

The laugh by J Mac was awesome!!!

@derecknorman5487 8 дней назад

J mac is awful

@travisoshea 8 дней назад

@@derecknorman5487 agreed but, the laugh was hilarious

@paigecanfield1362 10 дней назад

No they not back to square 1,the Jets OL is now off the chart good ,Hall is going to run for 2 thousand yards and Rodgers going to be comfortable in the pocket. A 3rd WR in the draft will do.

@johnwilson8385 10 дней назад

Bo was Sean's guy all along, at least in the batch of 3 "2nd tier" quarterbacks available. He baited Minnesota to move up a spot for JJ. The post-pick interviews have all been positive for all 6 quarterbacks, but I think Denver knew they couldn't reach far enough for Williams-Daniels-Maye, so they focused on Nix-JJ-Penix. Out of those 3, Bo was always our choice.

@RASTAGOOB 10 дней назад

Low key he they traded away Juedy because Nix wears #10. Should’ve followed the breadcrumbs all along 🤦🏾‍♂️😂

@McRaeJim 10 дней назад

Arthur Blank was past his bed time. He must have woke this morning and said "my GM did what??"

@Mikek88 10 дней назад

Colin just dislikes Rodgers and the Jets franchise so he’ll always be negative towards them

@xdifficultviper9916 10 дней назад

Accurate; Rodgers has replaced his baker hate

@Steven-lb4bl 10 дней назад

Why should he like the jets? Loser franchise

@Than_McDowell 10 дней назад

What’s there to be positive about?

@aztronomy7457 10 дней назад

I’m a Cardinals fan, one of the most pathetic franchises in the NFL, and even I look down on the Jets 😂

@mr.e5312 10 дней назад

seriously 😂 professionalism requires no biased analysis to the smart one’s complaining in the comments

@Slo-Mo 10 дней назад

How is Pennix the best backup not having played one NFL SNAP?

@calbraid3328 10 дней назад

I wondered the same thing. Colin's just riffing, making it up as he goes😂

@mattdunn7373 10 дней назад

Just watch him throw the ball and point to a backup who can do the things penix can do

@peach-panther 10 дней назад

Draft night reactions have no correlation to players careers. Look at Aaron Rodgers. But Eric Manghini would never understand development of players…

@bigbankbreeze2847 10 дней назад

So you say we used 30 lineman but we need a TE that’s why mangini ain’t a coach

@Denozo88 10 дней назад

A good tight end can block and catch thats the point.

@xjudoflip7381 10 дней назад

Did you listen? 12 personnel is a good way to hide your bad oline. 2 extra TEs that can block and get open fast, will help keep your qb upright. And Rodgers is at his best when he runs 12 personnel.

@mcncheese69 9 дней назад

What he's saying get rid of ur gm

@casiemny1219 9 дней назад

@@xjudoflip7381they never listen or don’t be comprehending

@richardthorne2804 10 дней назад

Ridiculous comment about Broncos not really wanting Nix.

@jjgreen5206 10 дней назад

The Xavier Worthy pick was perfect. Colin just looks for reasons to pick at the Chiefs. Worthy was productive as well as fast. When you run that fast you don’t have to be big.

@mr.phister2092 9 дней назад

Watch Atlanta end up looking like geniuses in two or three years with the Penix pick.

@danncorbit3623 10 дней назад

Look at teams with a great backup QB, how did it work out for them? Steve Young in San Francisco... The QB's that Colin mentioned for Green Bay, Doug Flutie, Nick Foles... Is there ever an instance when a great backup turned out to be a real problem? Especially if he is inexpensive or a draft pick.

@OneVoiceBroadcasting 10 дней назад

It's a great pick...he's gonna be starting by mid week...

@mistermallory94 10 дней назад

Just imagine Bowers and Pitts for a second

@deanhampton1527 9 дней назад

Great points by Mang about WRs. It seems like the position that might be most impacted by situation...who is your OC, QB, competition, etc in college and does it overrate or underrate you

@user-xr9li2sz6l 10 дней назад

It's about Team Building, from Inside Out. Not Outside In. The Bears have two very good WR's, a very good TE and a capable RB who can pass catch as well, right? Who are the Bears going to throw the ball to? Bears have "4 receivers" already on the roster. Imagine the pass rush with just 4 Defensive Linemen if they added BYRON MURPHY II. The best interior defender in this year's draft, Murphy brings an explosion inside that the Bears need. How many Superbowls did Tom Brady and the Patriots win with a “trio of #1 wide receivers”?

@anthonycapirichio3957 10 дней назад

Coach with the Xbox reference nice

@gideon1199 10 дней назад

So Mangini just wants the Jets to give up on the O-line…. Just stop trying to to fix it because it’s been tough

@AK-py1ds 10 дней назад

Jets have gone through a ton of o linemen. They have also had legendarily bad injury luck. Moses and Fant got hurt with the jets and started and played well for other teams. AVT tore Achilles and triceps, Becton had 2 knee surgeries, Mitchell had blood clots, one guy retired due to neck injury, Warren got hurt, McGovern hurt, Tomlinson hurt, Schweitzer hurt, Tippman got hurt, Brown got hurt.

@ricocheteraw90sthebestdecade 10 дней назад

They should be the new York black cats lol

@daviegriffin3539 9 дней назад

*1K* 👍🏽 *Cheers 🍻 from Cancún.* 🇲🇽

@bruceallen6377 10 дней назад

I said the same thing on the Denver Broncos RU-vid channel 8 o'clock this morning, Peyton and the general manager did not look excited picking Bo Nix! in fact neither of them said they were excited till they were six minutes into the press conference. history shows you're lucky to get one quarterback in the entire draft that will go on to be a successful starter. The Broncos have a project quarterback and maybe in a season or two he will be ready. Look how much benefit Jordan love had sitting on the bench for three seasons, Mahomes, Brady, Lamar, Aaron Rodgers most of the really good quarterback sat on the bench for several seasons. Broncos better hope Peyton can get Wilson to improve or it's gonna be a long season or two!

@rhaineyrwc1974 10 дней назад

It also I think really undermines Curt’s motivation. I know that sounds counterintuitive, but if he feels like his team doesn’t really believe in him, that’s gonna hurt things

@kelleywilson141 10 дней назад

People must not know Conklin. Had 61 catches last season. Ruckert will be solid as well.

@BeeKay1999 10 дней назад

Interesting, when coaches go into the media side and you listen to how they think and just listen to them.... that's when you realize why they're not coaching anymore and why they were 'let go'..... no disrespect..

@cjcurtis8944 8 дней назад

Payton absolutely wanted Nix. They floated JJ interest to protect their desire to get Nix.

@rockymarquiss8327 6 дней назад

The very little draft capital it took for MN to move up would've been fairly easy to beat by Denver if they truly wanted JJ. MN may still have won but I think it would've required more draft capital than it did.

@JohnnieWalker._ 9 дней назад

Saying “Worthy” and “not a great route runner” shouldn’t be used in the same sentence

@captinchewy7592 10 дней назад

I do not understand the hate for Bo Nix and the praise for JJ when one actually threw the ball and the other watched his team run for victories.

@travisoshea 10 дней назад

Watched his team for victories? Hahahaha please stop

@captinchewy7592 10 дней назад

@@travisoshea man threw the ball 8 times one game he is a glorified game manager. What beat Alabama the run game it wasn’t him

@travisoshea 10 дней назад

@@captinchewy7592 hahahaha again just stop. You sound like a massive casual.

@ernestgarduno1492 10 дней назад

J.J. Was overrated last season. He did not produce at quarterback like the other 5. He just shot up because his team won the championship, which is great to pop him in the first round but he is not better than Bo or even Penix.

@captinchewy7592 10 дней назад

@@ernestgarduno1492 exactly!! Man!!

@samuelwallace2782 10 дней назад

Coach is wrong on Nix. Payton even talked about having a conference call with the Vikings and Raiders to clarify that since the vikings wanted jj, and the raiders wanted penix, everyone could relax. The falcons taking penix threw a wrench into the system. I'm ecstatic that we got nix. If he's not the guy, there's no one outside of Williams or Daniel's that is

@willl7780 10 дней назад

guy is clueless

@tedmich 10 дней назад

Coach Mangini coming with the HEAT! Love him setting Colin straight!

@victorguerra433 9 дней назад

Is it just me or the volume is reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaly low off late?

@voldemort008 10 дней назад

The Bears have drafted over 30 QB's in the Super Bowl era, and they've all been trash. Does that mean they should also not draft Caleb Williams? The Jets argument was dumb.

@zeppelin342 8 дней назад

Mangini is hilarious 😂

@GrahamCampbellMoose 10 дней назад

I’m with Colin on the Penix draft. Actually think it’s pretty smart

@willl7780 10 дней назад

me2

@leonh.kalayjian6556 9 дней назад

It’s smart if you didn’t spend a zillion dollars on an old injured qb. Imagine if you signed a great FA pass rusher and safety instead? You would be in great position today

@NFace23 9 дней назад

It only makes sense if the Falcons actually think they already have everything they need to win right now. Otherwise, whether they're building to win now, or building to win later, the sequence of choices does not make sense

@user-jx1fs6ig9q 9 дней назад

Eric Mangini was a great and I mean GREAT head coach

@RandomNumber6598 10 дней назад

Xavier Worthy: “not a great route runner, track guy, lot of drops” This Oklahoma fan grins because it’s true. And then frowns because it won’t matter and he’s going to have a great career because he has Mahomes and Reed

@jishnujishnu1467 10 дней назад

lol exactly sounds like MVS and mecole hardman, not sure how Hollywood brown and worthy are going to be any different. At the same time who are we to say anything because they have the league in a death grip

@Seddysaid 10 дней назад

Anybody that knows football knows tight ends take a year or 2 to get going no matter how good they are

@danielluis7081 8 дней назад

Did Mangini not watch Sean Paytons interview after the pick? We laid out exactly why they choae Nix and said he was exactly the guy they wanted.

@knytrix 9 дней назад

Based on the success that Mangini had I feel like you can determine if his critiques are valid.

@HoonAgain 10 дней назад

Damn Eric is good. Didn’t know he was funny too. Another great go to guest. Fox is quickly stacking up talent vs the other big sports media company

@willp5322 10 дней назад

Nix is perfect for the Broncos, Mangini is as terrible a analyst as he was a coach

@willl7780 10 дней назад

awful

@HD-C10 9 дней назад

There’s a reason why Mangini isn’t making these types of decisions anymore.

@trentwise3762 10 дней назад

That’s my thing too, if they took penix in like the 20s that would be one thing. But with the 8th pick, and literally the only positions taken were qb, tackle, and WR, you have literally so many possibilities to choose from, why reach for a qb who you don’t even plan to start for at least 2 years? You already paid Kirk, why not build around him rather then worrying about a future that may not even come into fruition for 2-4 years from now. “They may not have their 1st rnd pick next year that’s why they picked him” Well they would have it if they didn’t offer Kirk a contract! Lol

@Mikeyboyjets 10 дней назад

Weird take since he drafted 2 in one rd granted he was the best talent evaluator they have had in my lifetime and the line he built was the top unit in football

@heismanboy34 10 дней назад

The fact anybody would ever take Manginis advice is laughable. Kirk cousins was never the guy. They probably wanted Penix before cousins but there was no guarantee he was gonna be there.

@condorjq26 10 дней назад

They also have had a ton of injuries on that OL, so let’s calm down a bit.

@mikemoore1135 10 дней назад

Mangini has no idea what he talking about when it comes to the broncos 💀💀💀

@phantomcyrano 9 дней назад

Question for coach Mangini: what were the "wow plays" that led you to draft Brian Robiskie? 🤔 Asking for a friend.

@NOAH2023 6 дней назад

As a Tampa Bay fan, I am happy for all the chaos that ATL just created for themselves. It shows they are dysfunctional from the owner down. I'm ok with that. And why are all the "sports pundants" expecting ATL to win the NFC South ? Really ?? I think Jason Licht might have something to say about that, certainly Todd Bowles and definitely Baker Mayfield and Mike Evans.

@TheZehahaha1 8 дней назад

Mangini is talking out of his other end. Tyron smith has not played a full season since 15. Bo nix is a top 10 pick.😊

@_Losi_ 7 дней назад

Mangini you drafted Gholston !!

@r.williamcomm7693 10 дней назад

Eric Mangini knows what he’s talking about, especially with the Falcons head scratcher. That’s not team building. Penix is excellent but he’s played A LOT so he’s going to be ready to start but Falcons don’t have an out with Cousins until after the third season. Then again at Cousins salary if they bench him he will beg for a trade if anyone wants him. Just a mess in Atlanta.

@newnancardboard6968 10 дней назад

Mangini - a guy no one can trust!

@mannyrodriguez8681 10 дней назад

There's a reason why Eric Mancini's no longer in the league.He doesn't know what he's talking about

@RcKDrUmm3R 9 дней назад

Eric, the whole line was injured for two years. No wonder why he’s not a coach anymore lol

@c0rruptreality 10 дней назад

Never forget Sean is friends with Colin and worked for fs1. So get ready for bias (lol)

@Rickhorse1 10 дней назад

Mangini is so wrong, so often. He would've applauded Bowers at 10 for the Jets. Well...Douglas took Fashanu, who most consider a top3 O-lineman in this draft, then having only ONE pick in day 2, he gets WR Corley, who in play style is very similar to ....guess who? Bowers! A weapon who breaks tackles, lines up in a variety of places & some call a "mini Deebo".

@jnottoday9866 10 дней назад

You did it Colin, you made Bo Nix a first rounder when no one else believed you.

@codyhughes4472 10 дней назад

Not one person mentioned that cousins could be traded even. You’re getting at least a first round draft pick and they take on the contract. They have a guy that’s a solid nfl qb and get to evaluate the guy they loved in the draft. New England during their dynasty gained alot of draft capital from developing back up qbs. And Tom Brady was drafted right after drew Bledsoe signed a big contract. Also I think it was Flynn as a back up to Rodgers signed a big contract with Seattle just to draft Wilson. Cousins would at least have trade value. I think cousins and Dak are about the same level. I probably take cousins. Good to great at times. Not elite.

@leonh.kalayjian6556 9 дней назад

Name one qb that was given a bad oline, below average OC or bad receivers and still did pretty well? Herbert?

@jerrytown8178 10 дней назад

The mock drafts from February are more accurate then the ones from 3-4weeks ago. Everyone said the giants were taking Nabers. Then all of a sudden last week they r gonna take Mccarthy. People gotta relax.

@anthonyfowler2623 10 дней назад

Need a qb

@andreroti3195 10 дней назад

Jets brought in 3 o line through FA, that is true, yes. But Morgan Moses and Tyron smith are both 33 years old and Tyron smith hasn’t played a full healthy season since 2015. If your franchise LT is there at 11 you take him. And he can learn from both of those guys. I guarantee he will start. Our o line can NEVER stay healthy. It was a good pick. TE Brock bowers was the luxury pick but Olu was the necessity pick. Ruckert and Conklin will be fine.

@jamesdunn9609 9 дней назад

Mangini must be on some strong stuff. The Jets o-line has been a problem, so they should just stop trying to fix it? He is really reaching here.

@legitdragon6202 10 дней назад

If Bowers drops a pass, Aaron is going to disown him for 1/2 the season so wouldn't have been great imo.

@danielrios4777 8 дней назад

Eric. How are you gonna say that about Bo. When if you clearly watch the post draft interviews everybody is extremely happy they got him. Also Sean is a more successful hc then you’ve ever been I think I trust his judgement more then yours lmao

@dang5217 9 дней назад

Broncos didn’t want JJ. Coach mangini is dead wrong that was a smoke screen(that Peyton was likely in on). Sean said he felt as strongly about Bo as he did about mahomes in 2017 when KC jumped the saints and took him

@santucma 10 дней назад

We have 2 TEs Eric 😂

@lafan4801 10 дней назад

Well atl can trade cousins to raiders if penix works out early. Kirks making 2.6m a game so why should he care for the last 2 years of his career. Penix isn’t young either , no need to waste a rookie contract. Hopefully morris can coach up the defense. It does have some gaps.

@eliotedward2113 8 дней назад

Looking over the last 5 years tho first round WR has been fairly successful that stat is weighed down by the 2010s and 2000’s dogma of drafting the biggest guys not the most skilled

@eliotedward2113 8 дней назад

For example Dorial Green-Beckham was a first solely off size and potential rather than actual skills and production

@ceasgoat8977 8 дней назад

That’s the reason we both watching football from the couch 🥴🥴

@jetsclaps 10 дней назад

Mancini is a dope. what is his point about the Jets? he can't even articulate it properly. the Jets hit on Vera Tucker and Tippman in the draft, and missed on mekhi. now they hope to hit on Olu. what exactly is the problem?

@Njbear7453 10 дней назад

Hit on Vera Tucker ? Mister glass ? Hasn’t finished the season the past 2 years ..... soon he won’t even be a jet !

@Njbear7453 10 дней назад

The problem is joe Douglas signed 3, THREE offensive lineman in the offseason, re- signed Hansen, so that’s FOUR offensive lineman. And then he drafts another who won’t even be playing ..... that’s the issue. It’s a waste of a top 11 draft pick. Could’ve had the best playmaker and weapon of the entire draft.

@DyslexicIm 10 дней назад

Manginis point is they used an 11 pick to draft depth on their line. A guy that won’t even start barring an injury to one of the many lineman they picked up in free agency. All while Brock bowers was just standing there waving at them.

@jetsclaps 10 дней назад

@DyslexicIm then he should have said that lol not some rambling diatribe about "30 guys." LT is the second most important position, and the Jets current starter is old and injury prone. if you don't see the value of this pick then you don't know football.

@j5547 10 дней назад

What is he talking Sean was literally smiling and talking so good about bo 😂 there’s a reason mangini isn’t a coach no it’s 😂

@brettdavis5873 8 дней назад

If Denver is awful his whole time there isn’t Sean Payton just bill belichek w a mouth?

@pimpnamedslickback7780 10 дней назад

If they took bowers Colin would’ve said they should’ve gone OL

@itsthelotterymusic3915 День назад

This guy sounds like a coach 😂

@droq7237 10 дней назад

The Broncos is fixed with Bo Nix.

@TonydaGM 10 дней назад

I dont see it with Nix, I see the definition of undraftable.

@codyhamilton4960 8 дней назад

Mangini didnt even watch the draft did he.

@MisterReginald141 10 дней назад

Dude flopped all his mock drafts and then acts like he didn't. Colin is a joke

@joewhitaker2839 10 дней назад

The president of football operations of the Atlanta falcons should be removed

@roadrunner7441 10 дней назад

Colin said Atlanta was ok for taking a QB but if you delt so unsure of Cousins then why pay him 100 million

@FalconSprint86 8 дней назад

Mangini is way off on his comments. If Denver wanted Jj McCarthy, they had plenty of capital to trade for him including picks or Pat Surtain if need be- who’s worth anywhere from a 1st and a 3rd to 2 1st round picks. There’s a reason Mangini don’t coach anymore. Go Nix. Go Broncos.

@kalipooh3388 10 дней назад

Didn’t have a problem when RG3 was drafted by redskins and then they selected Kirk cousins ..🤦🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️

@johnnybee9724 10 дней назад

👏👏👏👏🔥🔥🔥🔥

@raymondsanchez4129 10 дней назад

I just want guy who can throw the dam ball and not be scared in the pocket and I hope Bo nix is that guy and I wonder if bronco didn’t chose Bo nix if another team like the raiders pick him or the raiders go tide end again