@@IarooNyaina the problem is pela, the def shred lc ,the burn lc and e2 is a thing. So having him doesnt feel like a big jump because his kit is not really new or special and kinda overly reliance on enemy speed so yeah its kinda meh. Still really good for people with e0 acheron tho but if you have e2 you most likely only want to have 1 other nihility which pela is already enough for acheron, plus with harmony and preservation/abundance character unless you want to go crazy without sustain character and go full dmg
@@arcadius3257 What are they even talking about, I mean Acheron with bad build like this one is even able to do almost 5 million damage (counting all 10 ults)
Allright, now we got confirmation he doesn't stack on top of Trend LC. Thanks for the showcase. Now I'll wait for his final kit, but it isn't looking like I'll pull for him. Probably his lc though.
@@ashborn6412If enemy takes one action and Jiaoqiu’s ult is active, he’ll receive a debuff. If that enemy during his action hits chara with Trend, it won’t count towards Acheron’s ult, because only one debuff per action counts. With Jiao’s ult and trend it’s 2 debuffs. There’s a catch tho. If an enemy has a bonus action and he hits chara with trend, you can receive one stack for Acheron, bcuz bonus action is regarded as separate action. So if you using a preservation chara on acherons team, it still has some sense to use trend on them. Sometimes it can result in extra stacks.
@@nicholasnguyen2594 It's due to Jiaoqiu's Ashen Roast counting as a debuff, you can't really apply _2_ debuffs in the same turn for Acheron to register it as an extra stack, so Trend just becomes useless On E2 Jiaoqiu's "Ashen Roast" can actually deal damage, and is recognized as a burn which allows him to function on Kafka teams.
@@LudicolloEnjoyerit's cope, early calcs say he doesn't replace Ruan mei in Kafka/Swan teams. He's better than guinafen I guess. He isn't a bad unit but too overspecialized. He isn't even good for erudition units that rely on ult like Argenti bc they don't have the spare room for him over sparkle/bronya, ting and huohuo.
He performs a different function. silver wolf debuffs attack, speed, def and all type res. This guy increases ult damage and general damage for targets with his debuff. Silver wolf is better for most teams but acheron specifically synergizes very well with him. You can run them both or with pela as well. It mostly depends on if you have acheron e2, since that let's you run a harmony instead of 2 nihility with acheron.
For people getting really excited by this performance. Please be wary that this PF is built for 3 nihility units as you get a huge speed buff from the chosen effects. This performance might not completely translate to every PF. I have e2 acheron but with kafka and Black Swan and gepard I completed this PF in 2 cycle with 2 cycles remaining.
Should I invest in him to complete my Acheron team (replace Guinaifen) or just go with Jade or another character to open a new team and create variety to my account??
Depends if you lack crit subs or not. Considering she has a lot of dmg % in her kit already cuz of a4 passive I’m pretty sure the crit subs are probably better but idk
I dont really see him getting used outside of Acheron teams with his kit so far. But his kit, in as simple as possible, use basic to inflict Roast on enemy. Use skill to inflict 2 stacks of Roast on middle enemy with side enemies getting 1 Roast. Each stack of Roast increases damage taken by enemies by 5% with a base of 15%. Max 5 stacks meaning up to 40% damage taken increase by enemies. Use Ult, make all enemies match the highest Roast stacks that is on field rn meaning if a single enemy has 5 Roast and everyone else has 1, every enemy will have 5 stacks. Ult makes field for 3 turns, when field is available, everytime enemy takes turn, small chance to get another Roast stack.
@@Indian_gae_boii Pela vs Jiaoqiu or Def shred vs Dmg increase which is hard to think which one is better, since both of this stats are essential to Acheron's overall damage.
@@joaquinchua3348 he does but most E2S1 Acheron comps mostly uses Acheron with Sparkle for thay advance forward and crit buffs and 1 nihility like Pela for the debuffs. So you either replace Pela or just run Pela. Some people are wondering if Pela or Jiaoqiu is better.
@@Kurokawa_Mitsuki yea but i mean, is pela vs jiaoqiu close for e2 acheron? Genuine question btw, cuz i also have e2 and i kinda want to just save and keep using pela. Nothing about his character, design and animation appeal to me at all so it would be great if the difference vs pela isn't that big so im not forced to pull him.
@@mwbwyatt you have to understand though that Jiaoqiu is a support pretty much tailor made for her, and every time theres been a new support for an existing character, they have always rerun with that character. Some examples are Jing Yuan and DHIL with Sparkle, Topaz with Robin, and RM with Firefly.
@cantanuh Thats because their banners were 4 to 5 patches ago Hoyo can choose to delay some reruns by 1 patch Every character rerun was like after 4 to 5 patches after they get released
Is Jiaoqiu a good replacement for Topaz in Aven + Robin + Ratio team? I didn't get her since I was saving for Firefly. He'll give enough debuffs for Ratio, right?
If Topaz is e1s1 probably not better but the amount of debuffs he gives will probably make sure ratio always does FUA I’m just hoping they change his kit to be more universal rather than being an Acheron enabler
@@sladeTek i mean he's pretty universal rn, 40% vuln debuff is nothing to scoff at and everyone can use it, the 15% ult vuln is helpful, he's best with acheron but he's pretty good outside of that
pretty much literally any team, hes a very universal support since vulnerability works with all dmg, so its always going to work no matter the dps. the only thing is hes mainly going to be a sidegrade to most supports (except for acheron teams). for example in argenti teams, while the ult dmg taken looks very nice on paper, it means removing either sparkle or tingyun which will affect the rotation. another example is ratio, while he does scale on debuffs, topaz is already his best synergy, and so on..
@@Raydr62 How exactly so? That sounds a bit exaggerated, you do not specify what elements in his kit makes him "worse" than other supports in most teams. Vulnerability is one of the rarest stat in the game, and Jiaoqiu is the only unit to give chunks of it (compared to Guinaifen for example). Due to its linear increase, it scales better than Def Shred unless you have high amounts of def shred. Another thing about him is that he brings his own personal damage to the table; while it's not to the tier of an actual DPS or dual-dps comp, it is still not negligible since it's considerably higher than the damage a Pela/SW can do for example. There is a showcase from Zenith leaks showcasing Ratio E0S1/Aventurine E0S0/Tingyun E0 S5 DDD/Jiaoqiu E0S1 that cleared in only one cycle with very average relics. (While the Jiaoqiu was on 4pc eagle, it absolutely did nothing for him as his speed was low; the build was suboptimal and still cleared in a cycle, it would've been preferrable to focus on crit stats and higher speed which the leaker did not do). E0S0 Topaz is not extremely good, and wants E1 and/or S1 to shine, thus substituting her with Jiaoqiu is more than fine. While I'm aware it's beta gameplay and they should be taken as perfect reference, it's hard to believe he is so called "downright worse" when to me it seems completely acceptable. While nobody has tested this team yet, another example I have off my mind is Dhil/Sparkle/Jiaoqiu/Sustain. (And before one thinks that Dhil lacks atk and should have Tingyun on the team, I can assure them that Dhil with ATK boots, an ATK orb, an ATK rope and an ATK-based lightcone that he doesn't lack ATK. Tingyun's energy regenration is not mandatory for DHIL, and Hunter Kee (well known theorycrafter) has already calculated that Sparkle/Ruan Mei is stronger than Sparkle/Tingyun for Dhil. Tingyun is a great character, but is not needed for a Sparkle-Dhil team.) But back to my point, this team is likely to perform just as good as Dhil's main teams. There is no reason it won't; Jiaqoiu's ult is not needed for this team so he can be SP positive, vuln is a stat nobody in this team gives, and he moreover brings his own personal dmg which is slightly buffed by Sparkle. He is not "downright worse" than other slots; Tingyun was already stated why, Ruan Mei effectively only brings the Res-Pen (the other stats don't improve Dhil's performance muchh, notably her dmg% since he already gets a lot from his own kit and Sparkle's), Pela brings def shred which alone herself is not enough to have a higher increase than vulnerability, etc. Being a sidegrade is not a bad thing, it allows you to free up your highly-demanded used units while still performing very decently. That being said though, I do not think Jiaoqiu is a perfect unit yet. There's stuff about him that I would like to be changed in V3, notably: - his energy management which isn't very good (it's not a problem for most teams since the ult is very effective only in Acheron teams, but I still would like him to have a 3t ult without having to be SP negative) - raising the base chance of his ult and LC from 60% to 70% to match his 140% ehr requirement - Making crit easier to build on him, because fishing for speed, ehr and crit substats sounds like hell... - (very copium) Adding the burn to the base kit to make him even more versatile Let me know what you think he needs to be a better unit, or what you wish to see in V3. I look forward to hear your input on his kit
to have a 3t ult without relying on external energy like getting hit, no. assuming skill basic basic on energy rope you have: (5+30+20*2)*1.194 = 89.55, you are ~10 energy away from the ult if you do skill basic skill, you can guarantee the 3t ult but you are sp negative. most teams generally dont care that much about jiaoqiu's ult, the only team that does is acheron. its no problem in an acheron team, since ure generally sp positive thanks to aven and pela, so u can be sp negative on jiaoqiu to guarantee the 3t ult
Do u think u and ur friends are the main audience for this vid? No one gives a fk about you and your friends since the world doesn't revolve around you.
@@ToninhoBritadeiraI remember the whole Acheron main subreddit was having a meltdown when Jiaoqiu turned out to be a man. They couldn't accept the fact that Acheron's dedicated support is a guy and pulling for him would ruin their only-waifu account, i cant with these incels 😂
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I appreciate that there were not many videos that used all characters in E0S0. The last character stats I saw are also realistic and helpful. Your videos are worthwhile. Sorry if it is hard to understand as I am translating.
Yeah. But that's only because there are multiple enemies taking turns, which makes the stacks gain even faster. Now what if there's only one enemy? I assume it will still take some time for Acheron to use her ult, no?
@@Dysantrum true but usually acheron isn't necessarily the best in slot for single target bosses anyway. Also his ult is very fast to get so he still is faster than someone like silver wolf for instance
yes it's like the "trend of the universal market" interaction. please keep in mind that you can only get one stack per action. so this will not stack with trend.
wow sub dps jiaoqiu is reeeally good.. its like Blackswan's auto dot every incoming wave but fire. Hitting 140EHR with some crit stats involved is the way i guess, i though just all full attack and EHR no crit bec of the dots i didnt know his dmg on crit is pretty decent. i guess ill run him with 4pc pioneer with SW LC and the new spd planar on him , ill try to achieve 160spd.
@acheronsslavehe doesn't just need that much ehr because of his talent's. to consistently hit his ult on high res targets he would need an stupid 177% ehr.
I think the only reason to pull for SW is her design alone, since she's not used quite often in the current meta. Even pela is arguably better on Acheron's team.
tbh, even with e2 acheron, pela is not THAT much worse than him, he's like 15% increase. which, considering acheron at e2 can already delete most content in 0-2 cycles, isnt gonna really make *that* big of a difference. at e0, he's definitely an upgrade over the silver wolf slot though. silver wolf is still incredibly good, but for most content pela can honestly outperform her. the main thing going for her is the bug implants that make your main dps always have that guaranteed weakness damage.
@@mwbwyatt I want solverwolf cause I like her I'm not really a meta player But he's such an upgrade for Acheron that I want him too But huohuo is coming too who I ALSO like and it's just a pain because penacony keeps on making me farm for primos cause Dan Heng imbibutor Black swan Acheron Sparkle And now firefly And I'm barely getting time to grind
I hope Jiaoqiu is still worth pulling, despite the recent Nerfs he got. Since, I would like to go for a Acheron Team. Jiaoqiu and Acheron are the ones i'm missing, atm. In Case I can save up for Black Swan instead of him.
Same here man, at this point I'm gonna wait for official release, watch the gameplay with Acheron and heard their opinion then decide if I wanna pull or not, I just have E0S1 Aventurine and unbuilt Pela atm
As an 3 E0s0 guy, I didnt drop money on her lc bc I wanted to hold out for Him. And yeah he's gonna be a great addition. I'll get her lc someday but now this is just absurd
Got FF & ruan mei Next up is Acheron & Aventurine. 👊 No jiaoque till his rerun. Welt & pela would do the job till then. Also quick question :- how would anyone get so many multiple cones for superimposition. I have only 1 trend of future, 2 GNSW and 1 pearl. 🧐🧐
@@ryanmok3693 u might be right, but according to current needs of my account, I need a second team with lightning capabilities and a good sustain since I have none limited 5 star sustain. Being a low spender with only BP, I don't think I could secure jiaoque, acheron & her lc and aventurine and his lc all back to back.
It's just luck. To this day, I only have 1 DDD and I've already gotten 6 Perfect Timing and Subscribe for More! LCs. If I could change my SfM to DDDs I would do it without thinking, that LC is horrible even in S5…
im considering pre farming the new planar set for him, the fire damage 6% spd one also i hope they change his kit to also apply dots, will only make him also work with kafka
dont be fooled, it's definitely E0S1 in the vid, notice Acheron getting 2 stacks every turn? There's no way they can reach 40k with a sustain + lv50 GNSW
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Is still on test so not 100% sure it be like how u see in the video.. Tho if he good with MC characters and boothil..i would pull for him..because i badly want at least to have good team where there is only male needed,still waiting for that day come.
I'd like for you to test something, does Jiaoqiu's ult vulnerability affect superbreak damage done by ults like for example Gallagher's? He seems really busted in any team for Pure Fiction
no, the ult vulnerability (ult dmg taken) from his ult doesnt affect superbreak or break dmg because superbreak/break is not considered as ultimate dmg. however, the roasten ash vulnerability does work for superbreak
i'm praying they rerun resolution during his banner because they havent rerun that LC ever since Dan Heng IL banner like wtf. i need that for Pela badly.
@@ileoric I'm not talking about the speed, I'm talking about the buff acheron gets for having multiple nihility units in the party. Which is a core part of her kit that should not be ignored
@@PinaColada104 The other commenter is correct I am speaking of the specific PF buff which is why I stated "PF buff" in my first comment. It is called "Verification" - When 3 or more characters following the Path of Nihility are in the team, increases all allies' DMG dealt by 60% and SPD by 30%. This is different than Acheron's nihility self-buff "The Abyss". Would like to see Jiaoqiu's damage without that PF buff.
@@shikumas since when does black swan have a girlfriend? unless there is some lore that escapes me only yanqing has an actual relationship the rest should be single (which is kinda sad tbh).
I hope they will buff from how he looks like rn in beta but i still think imma pull him for my e0s1 acheron if not anyone else cus having this many ults is crazy
I just want his healing back and for them to change that effect hit rate debuff to something useful. I'm not worried about the enemies inflicting debuffs in the slightest. Such a waste of a aura.
you're right it's not useful, if you have aven's sig then definitely use it. but other than that, whether its worth it or not to level a whole new lightcone is up to the player
I was so confused on why he was critting so much. You're not running EHR body. His burn can crit too....honestly I think you could run Full Pioneer if you can get an extra 6 speed sub.
