Just have top competitions for trans only. Like we did for the disabled (NOT equating being trans with being disabled btw….just in case someone takes that away from my meaning). Just create new competitions. Problem solved. Done. Too simple?
These transgender males competing in females sports is like a computer competing against the best Go player in the world! There is no competition for females against a transgender male.. It is a joke. All sports are fake.
@brookessoap the trouble with that, is that trans-activist say it would "out" people. (Yes, I know we already know) ...so maybe there could be an OPEN category for trans AND women?
"Not about far right/far left" You're right...but the difference is that the far right doesn't support trans at all...and the far left just wants to give trans-activists ALL their demands. Most folks are perfectly happy to embrace trans people in society...but not in sports, shelters, prisons, etc.
Only on the playing field. Apparently she thinks they should fend for themselves in bathrooms. She agreed with Cuomo that girls don’t need safe changing spaces because they’re “looking at male junk on Ticktock half the day”. 🤮
I am also a gay woman and have been an athlete all my life. If it were not for earning a scholarship to college through sports I would not have been able to afford college. Jillian is 💯 right on this and in siting actual facts and science is proving to be able to say the truth without emotional histrionic bull shit. If a man wants to join the world of a woman and be considered as such, than stand firmly with women! On the facts and not just what works for the Trans community. Women fought so hard for their rights and while I support people living their.lives, it is absolutely critical to consider not only your own wants and needs but also those of the women you are joining. This is common sense. But, alas it is not so common 🙄
You're bribing men with a okay into invading women and girls Spaces by standing with us against that that's pretzel logic b******* movement to erase us what is wrong with you you can't have it both ways you can't be lukewarm
I appreciate reading your comment. I commented that maybe I’m ignorant as a straight woman but I have a hard time understanding what this has to do with gay rights, or trans/homophobia. I see it as about what’s fair for these girls that worked hard for years and years getting sidelined by the trans athletes.
@jamielee8054 It is complicated, I guess. However, it seems pretty lame people lump us all into this alphabet soup b.s. and label us all on the same team! If any of us speaks for women's rights rather than trans, we get called traitors, etc. It's like assuming all straight people, or black people, or any other group should agree with each other. Trans athletes need their own league. I mean, we have the special Olympics for a reason too, right? Because it's not the same playing field. Again, common sense. We live in strange times. It is not transphobic. That's just how people with weak arguments deflect from scientific facts and get us to be quiet and think we are ignorant. You are just as wise as any of us! Haha
@@kestrelmedia NO. It's not complicated. If you are NOT YY you don't get to compete against girls and women. Period. Five minutes ago that was understood. This isn't about sport. This is Marxist identity politics like almost every other issue the left uses to manipulate peoples' emotions with mostly lies and propaganda. Post modernism, critical theory, no objective reality, created by Marxist philosophers in 1960s Paris that migrated to elite universities in the 1970s. Many of us knew from the very beginning political correctness was not simply about being polite but controlling thought and speech and was the start of something more sinister. DEI, open borders, attacking families and faith, all of this is to polarize and cause chaos and societal collapse. Oppressor/oppressed narratives. It's textbook Marxist tactics. Vladimir Lenin called people "useful idiots". Read some history books. Every communist revolution follows the same pattern and immigrants from former communist countries are scared and say this is the same thing, they've seen it before. Search Yuri Bezmanov and watch his famous interview. We are in Stage 4. Normalization. Ever read Brave New World or 1984 ? We're living it. This is 100 percent coming from the left. Marxism/Communism/Fascism/Authoritarianism. which uses these tactics. Ever heard of Saul Alinsky? Rules for Radicals. Hillary Clinton and Obama worshipped the ground he walked on. FYI Good lord Chris flat out lied about numerous things and Jillian rolled over because of virtue and ridiculously exaggerated sense of virtue. Empathy and sympathy are positive. Virtue is dangerous and leads to evil. Women are being attacked raped etc. by Trans pretenders especially in prison. Chris is lying, Jillian is simply ignorant and only marginally informed and driven by virtue. Most of the world is crying watching the West being destroyed by Marxism, virtue, identity politics. Virtuous Jewish scientists from Los Alamos thought the world would be safer if the Soviet Union also had the bomb so they became spies and it prevented America from ending global communism which led to the Cold War, Vietnam, Korea, destroyed Asia, South America, Europe, and over 100 million dead and decades of extreme poverty and human rights violations. No Soviet Union/Cold War none of the identity politics and BS we're dealing with today/. This is how "virtue" leads to evil. Watch the Yuri Bezmanov interview. FYI even non physical direct competition can be ruined by Trans BS. Search YT for men doing women's gymnastics. Elite female gymnasts watch average male college gymnasts doing female events and they can do tuff the girls could never do. It's really wild because male and female bodies are very different in particular the hips and center of gravity. Legs and torso are different. So theoretically girls should have advantages but the boys are just so much stronger. The men/boys have events, like "rings" that are non-starters for girls/women purely based on physical strength relative to body mass and weight.
I am trans Asian women !! I strongly support Jillian , catlyn Jenner and against this narrative political that trans compete in any competition of sport against biological women. Why the lgbt plus have organisation to compete between each other’s. That the best way to compete without hurting anybody !!! I feel sorry to biological women in this case !!!! I am trans and I am not a women and I am proud to be called trans because I am trans !!!!
Thanks ❤️ for being an honest human being! We need more people like you speaking out because so many average left wing people are worried about hurting Trans people's feelings or getting bullied for speaking for common sense. If you are interested in having your voice heard - please consider reaching out to the following podcast/RU-vid Channels - Buck Angel or Tranparency Podcast. Buck is super responsive and your voice as a Transwoman and an athlete is super important! ❤
Also 'trans women' being allowed into women's sports means men (TW) being allowed into women's changing rooms. Are you okay with that? Listen to Riley Gaines!
Am I crazy for thinking the trans athlete debate has little to do with homo/transphobia? It’s about what’s fair! Honestly I cannot believe this has to be an issue for these girls that have worked hard for years to excel in their chosen sport.
Yes I agree with you . Sharing a locker room or bathroom does open the door to the predators that are “pretending “ to be transgender to be able to be in the women’s locker rooms or bathrooms. We can’t compromise ALL women rights for the few and that’s exactly what’s happening here..
As a matter of fact, studies show that trans-identified males retain male levels of aggression and sexual offense after transition. Males are 100x more likely to sexually assault than women are, regardless of how they identify. Furthermore, males feeling uncomfortable using changerooms with other males is not the responsibility of women to fix. There have been countless instances of males (whether or not they ID as trans in life) using self ID laws to prey on women and girls. Self ID allows ANY male to enter our spaces. Women fought hard for our rights to single-sex spaces. Taking them away is misogynistic and cruel. Don't even get me started on prisons, r@pe crisis centres, and women's shelters. Studies by the Ministry of Justice in the UK and the Correctional Services of Canada show that about half of trans-identified males in women's prisons are sex offenders (44% in Canada and 52% in the UK). R@pe Crisis centres are being expected to allow males to counsel and even EXAMINE recently r@ped women and girls. Multiple males have self ID'd into women's shelters and assaulted women once there. It's not a "cave man" instinct to protect women and girls. It's using common sense. Not to mention that women and girls deserve comfort and dignity when we undress. Most schools have policies that bar teachers from entering children's washrooms. This is not because they think all teachers are predators. It's because that's how safeguarding works.
100% The bathroom predator scenario is not about genuine trans people. We're talking about predators taking advantage. As for "not flaunting genitals" what about Lia Thomas who apparently walked out around in the womens dressing room hanging freely. Womens rights and safety matters
Overall some great points, but really glossed over the locker room like it's a get over it moment and girls arent going to be traumitized for seeing "junk" as he put it. Need to bring up the fact that by the age of 18 that stats show that around 1 in 4 girls will be sexually assaulted. Even if this trans person isnt doing anything wrong, girls deal with a lot of trauma from predators and many girls, especially as teens, are extremely self conscience due to sexual harrassment, body changes that are immense at this age, and sadly people acting like girls can't possibly have concerns. It's way more than just fears, it's self esteem, it's literal dangers and perceptions. In addition there are reports of assaults not just in bathrooms but also in jails. Btw in the Us and UK they have placed male rapists in female prisons when they declared they were now female. Again the question isnt number like well it's only one or two girls assaulted so who cares. To act like well it's just over reaction is to ignore all the different experiences girls/women go through in public spaces that,apparently, men don't. A private uni-sex bathroom/changing room would help not just trans but those who are self conscience, have experienced bullying, and who have other body worries due to assaults and such.
I think it speaks to his beliefs that women should just deal with it. He's the kind of guy that would violate that space so why not just accept it. He offered up his daughters as fodder. No big deal.
Exactly! Whether you want to call them transwomen or not they are still held in higher regard in terms of "their" comfort, inclusion and safety. Women and girls are expected to just get over it. That part of the interview really frustrating to
@@bocanomad986 No, he's correct. The risk of harm is low as the trans community is relatively small. You don't hear about this being an everyday occurence. It's pure fear mongering from people like Megyn Kelly.
I am a huge supporter of women's sports. To straight up allow trans athletes to compete as women is drastically unfair to women. Why not try what golf does by handicapping? Currently as a lifting coach, I will not coach trans athletes, because it is against my beliefs that female sports need to kept female
That there aren’t girls being attacked in their SCHOOL bathrooms every week? Or that they don’t need safe spaces outside the playing field because they’re “looking at male junk on Ticktock half the day anyway”? 26:02 100% agree with that???
Brilliant !!! The fact that male athletes will never have this problem with women who transgender into men says it all no transgender man would be competing at that level !!
You are incorrect about the bathroom /changing room/issue.....and women's prisons and DV shelters....there are PLENTY of people in the Trans IDEOLOGY who are leveraging for less than altruistic reasons....just as there in every demographic...
Chris’ obvious ignorance on this is infuriating. Clearly HE doesn’t need to care that the internet is awash with sites of autogynephiles wanking in women’s spaces, at least as a girl dad you’d think he’d be somewhat concerned. I hardly know a single female who hasn’t encountered this. And BTW Chris, caring about womens safety & privacy doesn’t make you’re a ‘caveman’
Jillian Michaels inspired me to get in shape after I had my kids. I think that she's right: women need public areas of our own, freely, to be physical, either competitively or non-competitively. I'm glad she's taking this on. It will affect both women's health and women's sports. Thanks for this!👏
Welcome to the culture wars y'all 😃 When biology meets ideology, the chips are down and the Trans lobby "seem" invincible, but here in the UK we're slowly tuning the tide and winning the war 🤞 Woman = Adult Human Female.
Jillian has a good point. I feel transgender need to start their own group of competition. If they feel it's unfair, well it's unfair to biological women in general, nothing againt trans world. We need more justification of support on Womens in sports, not another downfall.
@@dustinanddylc yes it is and getting worse and if common sense ruled it would end quickly because most of these are boys/men gaming the system. Lea Thompson. He competed 2 years against guys and was mediocre. Next year, no hormones no nothing simply said I'm Trans and becomes a World Class Olympic champion. It's even worse at the high school level.
This was a great conversation. I was a bit uncomfortable with the bathroom debate though. Gender dysphoria is real but so is autogynephilia and the issue is purely about the safety of biological women, whether it be bathrooms or prisons it is a safety issue and we need to keep our spaces women only regardless of how "unkind" it may be interpreted. Society needs to find common sense solutions that support sufferers of gender dysphoria that does not involve women having to give up their hard won private spaces in order to accomodate biological men.
The fact that a 43 year old trans weight lifter was able to compete in the women's Olympics (for australia i believe) will tell you all you need to know. Sure, they only came 12th but context is all, 43 is geriatric in weight lifting. There is no way in hell a biological woman of 43 would have stood a chance against women almost half her age. 12th in the olympics is still 12th in the world, which in that context is an amazing achievement. A 25 year old trans woman would have flattened her components. I am all for trans people participating as their chosen gender in all aspects of life, except for sports. It would invalidate womens sports because of the obvious and unavoidable physiological differences and these young girls have trained their entire lives, full time to be where they all. To be wiped out by a mediocre trans athlete in their chosen field would be devastating. A trans women would never need to train to that extent to obliterate the competition.
This is a non-issue! We all love and want trans people to live their authentic lives. We ALSO realize this is a simple issue of FAIRNESS! Birth facts overrule identity.
Erroring on the side of inclusion is not inclusion it is EXCLUDING many many woman fro Thier dreams and it’s unfair on every level! There is no thing as includion on this situation. To include is to exclude the other group, the REAL women. The insanity that we are even having this conversation publicly or that it’s been taken to a federal level. It’s absolutely insanity. As a culture, we have officially cross the line. We are insane. And the Democrat part is is responsible for the brainwashing via misinformation about gender and bullying cancel culture tactics to make people conform to a lie! Where does it end for that party? What exactly is it that they want long-term and their efforts to brainwash society, particularly our children? That’s the question we should be exploring . WHY is the left doing this? Chris??? Can you answer this? Don’t try to convince me it’s because the politicians in Washington actually care about the transgender, they are after something far deeper and bigger than that. PS. I have never met anyone who hate trans gender! The Democrat party talks about it all the time yet I’m a 60 year old woman and I’ve never met one person !!! This lie and brainwashing of society needs to be stopped. Chris, you must see that your party has gone mad, and become evil.
What about the Loudon County case? The father got arrested at a school board meeting for bringing up the attack on his daughter by a "trans girl" in school...who went on to do it again.
There have been several attacks-- one as recent as a month ago. The boy beat the girl badly (hospitalized her) and had a "hit list" of others he was going to beat up. Another one a few months ago where the boy actually beat three girls, in the girl's bathroom.
It’s about consequences to your actions. If you decide to trans, there will be consequences. Period. You take yourself out of the sports arena due to your own decision.
Good Morning Chris and guest. A very sensitive subject, which I am sure is kind of a new but not common enough concern yet. We have to deal with so much more heavy duty injustices & shocking issues, right now, that all I feel really is to listen. Now I fully respect Jillian Michaels’s concerns, someone has to bring it up.🇫🇷🇺🇸
Anybody who knows anything about the human body knows that a mans body is a mans body and even with hormones they will still be stronger. Advocate a 3rd category of athletes male/female/other.
So...not really sure of what the solutions might be...but am leaning toward the "create a third class of competitors where needed". I do believe there are classes of competition where physicality's are clearly different and where you would not WANT to mix it up. Across-the-board solutions are obviously not working. So what...do we wait until there will be numbers of athletes in various sports to warrant, or make practical, that third class? And from what I find in my searches, at places like Mayo clinic, the opinion seems to be that the effects of the drugs are reversable. And then you read that there ARE lasting effects, like the change on growth physiology changes or delays. Those effects must certainly be "forever". Anyway...my final thoughts about mingling the sexes in sports leaves me voting for the mingling and inclusions...but agree...the sexes are indeed fundamentally different and do need some sort of scale to maintain the fairness. Yep...hard questions and thoughts. Thanks.
I did Crossfit for many years. Crossfit doesn't care about gender, age, etc, but wants everyone to have to work at a similar effort level. Because of that, the RX weights for women is generally 20-30% less than men. You can easily see this if you look up Crossfit Games weights. The difference is much greater in upper body strength than lower, but present in both. It is just so obvious in terms of biology, and good for Jillian to take this one.
Thank you Chris for having Jillian on your show. Jillian is absolutely correct--no males in girls' and women's sports. Allowing males (even if they have been given puberty blockers or suppress testosterone and take estrogen does NOT erase the male sports performance advantage. This total disregard for the rights of girls and women to fair sports is the height of misogyny.
Only on the playing field. In the bathroom girls are on their own since according to these two they’re “looking at male junk on Ticktock half the day anyways”. 🤮
*It doesn't have to be complicated. You've can have male athletes competing against male athletes, female athletes competing against female athletes, trans athletes competing against trans athletes.*
Thank you for speaking on this issue. I don't know when this was recorded but there are now LOTS of cases of men competing in women's sports and dominating. Swimming, MMA, basketball, track & field, rugby, volleyball, cycling, and the list goes on. But I must strongly disagree with her stance on men in women's locker rooms and bathrooms. When a man goes into a woman's facility nobody knows what his intention is except him and unfortunately by the time his intention is known it's too late because he's assaulted someone. Even if he has no intention on doing anything to anyone he has forced himself into the privacy of every woman in that space regardless of if she is ok with it or not. And unfortunately there are even more incidents of women being victimized by men in women's bathrooms, locker rooms, showers and now prison cells than men invading women's sports.
We will never be able to legislate Utopia We will never be able to create Utopia We are bound by the laws of physics and we should also be bound by the laws of common sense When these things are at odds take as much information as possible and get a consensus amongst the populace. Do it with dignity compassion and respect however There should be no fence straddling It’s abundantly obvious and clear. It is unfair to have transgender athletes compete against women The majority of the population feels this way, the science supports it. Politicians and leaders need to stop lacking the courage of their convictions and stand proudly on what their constituents believe . In the meantime conversations like this are important
Stop dividing people. We’re not all far-right culture warriors just because we think trans people should have their own category for sports. Stop with the left vs. right rhetoric already. It’s tired.
@dustinanddylc Yeah well there weren't a lot of female athletes when they started fighting to create their own leagues. No reason to make women and girls pay the price for an extreme minority of men. Kinda sounds like sexism if a minority of men's rights are more important than those of women and girls.
Good afternoon listened to your podcast loved the part Chris where you say squeezing your eyes your getting old. I'm a little younger than your brother and I can relate. Touchy subject and if you going to speak out there is always consequences and especially on social media. You both had many excellent points. I didn't agree with some but that's o.k
Chris Cuomo, I disagree with and hate Jillian Michaels' fatphobia. She's awful. She's not about wellness or fitness, she harms people. But I'm now GLAD she's speaking out about men in women's sports. Glad you covered her on this, Chris.
No one is fat phobic. Just as no one is Trans phobic. That's left wing identity politics bullshit. Back in the 70s and 80s very very few people were fat today its epidemic and lowering life expectancy and causing a healthcare and economic crisis. A lot of it is big government regulations that started radically changing food in America 40 to 50 years ago but you are what you eat and it is overwhelmingly diet and lifestyle. And it's what causes over 90 percent of deaths ever year. The science on this is rock solid. Learn about Keto/Carnivore/Paleo and save your life.
Riley Gaines took this on all by herself. I'm sure she would welcome your expertise and guidance Jillian. Women need to organize, men will not solve this.
After many year's of struggle for women to get closer to equality now the must complete against men. Eventually there will have to be an other league a Trans League
I freaking love her! I am a teacher, and I literally feel like if I were to share my opinions publicly on this issue (which very much align with Jillian's) could get me fired. I don't know for sure, but it is certainly something that would not be a popular opinion among some of the folks I work alongside. Thus, as someone who is honest to a fault, I avoid this conversation at all costs, and I find that reality unfortunate. And holy hell...the medical mcartheism is so real on this and many issues! It is insane. It makes it hard to trust professionals. I find this to be an issue regarding the power of organizations such as the cdc, the American Psychiatric Association, and the American Academy of Pediatrics.
If my kid came to me saying they are trans the first thing I would do is get more insight on what is making him feel that way. Is it that he feels he doesn't fit the stereotypes? Is it that he likes the same things as a lot of the girls? Or is it an actual feeling of dysphoria? That would be my first step... If it was based on his likes and interests, I would say to him, you can still be a boy and like those things. You can be a boy and wear a skirt or paint your nails, etc. You do not have to live your life based on stereotypes, and you don't have to label yourself based on those stereotypes either. To me, this pick your gender discussion feel a lot like pick your stereotype, and that feels really harmful to me. I don't fit the stereotypes of a lot of women. I'm not a girly girl by society's definition, but I am a woman all the same. I am so thankful that this was not prevalent when I was a kid! I would have struggled with it, 100% because I struggled with not fitting in due to my tendency to seek out more things that were typical of boys and in that I related more to boys. If it seemed he was actually experiencing dysphoria I would go get blood work to make sure he isn't deficient on any nutrients, as nutrition deficiencies such as zinc and magnesium have been associated with anorexia, and I feel anorexia and any sort of body dysphoria are very similar. If he was not deficient on anything I would try to find a professional I felt I could trust, and go from there, but also... I would say just be who you are and dress however you wanna dress! You do not have to put a label on it.
Thx Jillian keep going. Im speaking out in NYC and im a gay woman too. 1000s of gay ppl are against this. We want nothing to do with that alphabet. We never dhouod of had this trans burden
I know it's not the prime topic of this episode but Chris brought it up so I'm gonna respond. Regardless of what hyperbole nonesense college kids are saying about Israelis or about supporting Hamas, I find it hard to believe (I don't believe) that these college demonstrators are truly antisemitic. If these kids were continuing a culture of Jew hating that goes back 150 years than yes-i would be concerned about them. But they only started demonstrating when Israel began bombing mass population centers in Gaza (I think all of Gaza is a mass population center). That tells me their true anger has more to do with the War and little to do with Judaism in general. Now Rightwing antisemitism is centuries old rather than being triggered by recent events. I think focusing on college campus movements is a distraction from the grim realities of what is happening in Gaza. This guest speaking about the fairness or unfairness of trans-athletes made a few short dismissive comments about aspects of LGTB culture. It doesn't mean she's anti-LGTB (I'm well aware she's gay). I bumped into her tone a bit. Likewise, saying pro-Hamas shuck in the heat of anger doesn't make someone truly antisemitic. Evangelical churches claiming most Jews are going to Hell seems anti-semetic. But that's old traditional REAL antisemitism.
Good conversation, but these two (good people) still don't get it. Sex based rights are a separate category - it's about the rights a women (or man) is entitled by virtue of their sex, not by virtue of their gender identity. Trans women are MEN. Male, they are still subject to the same demographic statistics that the average man is; one of those data points is the propensity to violence and specifically sexual violence, far higher than in females - more than 90% of rapes are committed by men. A trans woman does not stop being a "man" by virtue of declaration. And no, Cuomo, there has been "nothing" proven about trans women being less prone to sexual violence by virtue of being trans. They are neither more nor less prone than any "other" man. Also Caster Semenya (South African) is intersex, the condition (and it is an anomalous condition) has nothing (whatsoever) to do with the trans case. Astounding how "experts" can be wrong about (not a little) but a lot. Read more Chris! 😅 Still, good conversation.
There is nothing preventing woman competing againat men. It's an open division. If youre good enough you get to play. Trans women can play with the men.
Father of D1Girls athletes benefited from T9 - my opinion: thx Jillian - look at the logic - no one is arguing that females should be barred from men’s sports , even trans men that were born females probably will not excel and no one is to excited about birth females competing in men’s athletics and going out for men’s sports - when it comes to birth males competing as females the argument changes!!!!!
I really like this idea about a "handicap" for trans athletes. It isn't a perfect solution and a lot more research would have to be done to ascertain what is "fair", but it's the best suggestion I have heard so far.
It is ridiculous that you say no transgender women are NOT hurting women AND making them uncomfortable in locker rooms! COME ON!! Do some better research! I read stories about this regularly! There IS harm being done!!
My thoughts are this men against men women against women. If you want to create a category for transgender men or women you can this world is completely going crazy in my opinion I saw a report of what they are trying to pass so they can teach elementary school aged kids That don’t know anything about themselves yet that all this is okay this is crazy in my opinion Chris your a good dude thank you for all you do 🇧🇷🇮🇹🧑🏻🦽🧑🦼
Jillian you are awesome. Im a gay woman and there are 1000s of us that do not align with the alphabet. They also are offended by. The word queer. That alphabet is so divisive. Im a regular person just living my life. This is a threat to the gay community and we are starting to speak up. I am not trans and i dont identify with it😊
Caster is intersex, not trans. Many hermaphrodites appear female at birth, but then when “normal” female puberty doesn’t occur, doctors diagnose an intersex genetic variation. You almost had a real discussion about the non-binary nature of biological sex. But then you didn’t have that conversation.
"She said this to me yeeeears ago"... you mean back when you were supporting doing that to kids? So you knew it could hurt them but you still supported it Chris? Big supprise lol...
Just say women when you mean women. Say cross-sex ideating men when you mean those men. For data on 60 women who divorced those abusive dudes, channel in the handle name here.
This must be for all the folks who haven't been paying attention for the past 3 years. At least the lesson is finally starting to go mainstream. But, it won't be satisfactory until The View finally gets it.
Cuomo, educate yourself….Interview Riley Gaines re Lia Thomas ‘junk!’ Educate yourself re AGP. Reframe the ‘bathroom’ debate as a safeguarding issue for girls and women.
And there you go! Jillian you are in same boat as sooo many parents who had to sacrifice financially by sending kids to college just to hear that science is canceled now!
I’m a Liberal and I don’t support transgender athletes but what is Jillian suggesting here on the remedy? Is she saying that it should be made illegal by the government? Personally I think this is something the Leagues and Athletic Boards decide. They should be the ones to abolish it from their sports. Putting this in the hands of the government only makes this whole thing into a support for authoritarianism. Religious authoritarianism to be precise and I consider that toxic. Republican over reach. I hope she is not going down that road.
