The 4 Horseman formation, Austin 3:16, Dusty's Hard Times ...almost as if giving premier professional wrestlers free reign on the mic allows for some of the most important (& organic) angles in all of the history of the greatest sport of them all, professional wrestling.
That would be only "for you" MARK. Because , PUNK MARK, that was a fully SCRIPTED PROMO which of course , is absolutely the opposite of the entire aforementioned point. Just goes to show you how shitty all the scripted promos are that one time once in well over a decade someone cuts a nonshitty scripted promo all the MARKS left watching mark out like clowns beleiving the "pipe bomb" was....real.
Ha ha, I guess I'm glad I didn't mention Heyman's raw pipe bomb as well, lest you further hurt my feelings by calling me a mark or your own ignorance in not being able to tell when reality supercedes whatever script you think Punk was reading off of when he vented his very real anger at his former employer. Good day...😄
I firmly believe that there is not another living soul that knows more Professional Wrestling history or info than Jim. Always my favorite manager growing up and still my favorite go to for wrestling podcasts
When wrestling was good awesome the shit!!!! It wasn't a 3-hour long soap opera it was wrestling and it had a storyline behind the beef and had a point
I love the fact that the formation of the most legendary faction in professional wrestling was natural, it didn't come from a booker and even the name was a fluke thanks to a Arn Anderson promo, all wrestling fans have to watch "Ric Flair and the 4 Horsemen" dvd to understand the greatness of this group before it went downhill with members like Sid Vicious, Kendall Windham, Hiro Matsuda and others
Usually how the best stuff happens, it was completely improvised, and thus why the scripting of absolutely everything like Vince does now is a detriment.
Although this did not form the horseman, I remember there was an incident in Atlanta, where Dusty Rhodes came to assist Ric Flair who was being attacked by the Russians; he was able to chase the Russians out of the ring, only to be attacked by the Andersons, and Ric Flair. I always felt this was what got the ball rolling, which led to the formation of the four horseman.
@@lossonleonard7118 yeah, I live in the upper midwest, so unless you had cable you could not watch wrestling from the mid Atlantic/Georgia area, but the magazines picked up on it. They had said that it was in a cage, and Sam Houston, Magnum TA, and the Rock and Roll express tried to climb over the cage to help Dusty Rhodes; whoever thought of that knew what they were doing.
@@j.c.ca.o.l7035 i meant UNION, not reunion. Yes, it was a new alliace. Andersons were allied with Flair as "cousins" and started running with Tully. There were comments and questions about Flair's allegiance to that group in the weeks before he jumped Dusty. They were casually calling themselves Horsemen for several weeks before it became more of an "official faction." Babydoll was still with Tully when all of this was going down.
I'd heard it was based on interview. They were running low on time and hasn't given them promo time. The 4 cut a promo together and Arn said they were like the IV Horsemen.
I remembered watching that promo and Cornette is right, it was from Atlanta TV. I don't know if it was the Saturday show or Sunday show or morning or evening or even day it came on but I can confirm that this then 13 year old saw this historic promo that is apparently lost to history now. WWE bought the Turner JCP library, but not every episode that was ever broadcast was saved on tape or stayed recorded. Nobody in 1985 knew DVD'S were coming, well there was Laserdisc, but nobody didn't think they would make a fortune selling vintage wrestling content on disc.
Billy Jack Haynes was one of the guys who got me into wrestling as a little kid. Haynes, JYD, Piper and Machoman. I remember Haynes in his green gear, and his Full Nelson feud with Hercules at Wrestlemania 3 or 4. As a kid I always wondered why he was never 'pushed' (even though I didn't know that term then), but that seemed to be the case for most of my favourites of that era, from Bad News Brown to Piper. Haynes is why I like Nick Comoroto in AEW I suspect, because he reminds me of Billy Jack.
The Four Horsemen formed because Crockett started booking top heels vs. top faces six-man matches in fall 1985. The Andersons were always in the match, but they would fill it out with either Tully or Flair depending on who was on the card and what else they were doing on the card. The first reference to the four horsemen was Arn Anderson doing a local promo for St. Louis which aired on 10/26/85 where he referred to them in a six-man as "the four horses". Then he gradually did more elaborate promos The "horsemen" thing caught on toward the end of 1985 with the fans pushing it rather than the promotion. Buddy Landell getting fired in December made JJ Dillion available as a manager, but the group thing would have happened with or without him.
I know from a technical wrestling standpoint, Mongo was hardly the greatest, but as far as being a legit "tough guy" I think he fit in well from that aspect--and I'm trying so hard not to mention the Canadian douche... Anyway, maybe I'm not as down on Mongo because I always enjoyed his back and forths with Heenan when he was an announcer...
His point about not remembering your own shit is so true in any career. I’ve been in my field close to fifteen years and I can’t remember what I did last week.
I always thought the two best incarnations of the Horsemen were: Flair, Arn, Ole, and Tully and the incarnation of the Horsemen in 88 with Flair, Arn, Windham and Tully. The worst incarnation by far, by default was the incarnation with Paul Roma. Look, I understand they were trying, but putting Roma in the Horsemen was as Cornette would say, picking up a turd by the clean end. Roma even admitted that he wasn't Horsemen material.
I was the biggest WWF growing up but I did love the Horsemen and was the only reason I would watch the WCW. I had always wanted something similar back then in WWF even though they had heel stables nothing was like the Horsemen. If anything maybe The Million Dollar Man's stable when had Virgil, Andre the Giant and managed by Bobby the Brain but still wasn't as big or as threatening as The Four Horsemen.
Baby doll left tully when he slapped her 4 taking that trip when she said jj gave her the plane tickets from tully as a gift...jj denied it tully slapped her n dusty came out 2 save her..this was on www...but jj admitted he gave her the tickets on mid atlantic wrestling lol..jj was tullys manager the very next week...so bby doll leaving tully n jj being tullys manager happened basically in the same sequence
@@nygreek743 Not sure about the whole "nobody's home" but between age & health issues it's hard to tell it's even him. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RD8rZYQFzNM.html
I was thinking just based on my own memories……. Flair was the kayfabe cosuin of the Andersons…… and tghre 3 of them were feuding with Dusty. Then Tully was feuding with Magnum who was an assocaite of Dusty. So the 4 of them often ran into eachother since Myabe Dusty and Magnum were fighting soemone and the otehrs get involved and so it was like the enemy of my enemy is my friend and they sort of starting haging otu more and more until Arn’s statement and they because a group organically.
*Billy Jack avoided fights?* What? Everyone knows Billy Jack *beat the shit out of Iron Mike Sharp* backstage for no good reason & *was quickly fired for it.*
Considering the fact that all recollections agree the Four Horsemen were unofficially formed during an interview/promo, where is said promo?! I've never seen any clips. There must be footage of it somewhere. You'd think it would be a highly viewed segment given it's significance. (or am I just a bumblefuck that's never seen it)
I don't know if this is the first, but it's certainly before they were officially a group. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nJnQzuLIZXQ.html
promo: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nJnQzuLIZXQ.html Wait, so is Jim saying baby doll wasn't with Tully when the horsemen were born? Cus I just saw a clip from 85 with Arn calling them the 4 of them horsemen but Tully was still with baby doll and Arn/Olie were tag Champs. Here's the link: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nJnQzuLIZXQ.html
Yeah, you are right. They were saying "Horseman" as early as Fall 85, after jumping Dusty. Revisionist history has taken over on this one. They had teased the union of the 4 for weeks on TV, too. People forget that. It wasn't nearly as random as made out to be.
I was always under the impression that the horseman picked up where the Minnesota wrecking crew left off. I never saw the wrecking crew but I witnessed the horseman and I member flair being a big baby face as a young young kid I was born 1980 but I member. It’s crazy how my life has revolved around wrestling lol!
During a late 1985 edition of World Championship Wrestling, Arn referenced the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse while talking about himself, Ole, Tully, and Ric while Tully was in the ring about to have a preliminary bout.
Billy Jack was a wasted talent. He had the ability to work with anyone. He had the size, the look, the baby face draw almost like an oversized steamboat. But he just did not want to leave Oregon for any long periods of time. He could have been an IC champion or a US champion and chase the heel world champion around and stoke heat by never getting the win with the belt , but having a convincing tussle at it. That would have sold tickets for three years and never been boring, because the fans would always go in thinking “ ok this time he wins “ and be mad enough when he didn’t to buy the same ticket four months down the road.
Horesman were already coming together before Landell disappeared. Go back and watch the tapes. They were building an alliance with the four (minus JJ) leading up to Starcade.
Great explanation by Jim for 1 of the primary reasons that wrestlers can never get their stories straight & why that may not effect the legitimacy as much as it may seem. Also thanks to JC for not talking about Covid or politics in this clip. I have a policy to downvote anytime that it brought up & I didn’t want to downvote this one.
Down votes count as an engagement the same as an up vote does. So it actually helps the video. The only negative was that it let viewers know some people didn't like it... But they've taken the counter off now. So nobody even knows how many dislikes there are now.
I remember catching when the horseman when they kicked out Lex Luger for Barry Windham I was like 6 years old , I was like why would you kick out Luger he is in better shape than Windam. On the horsemen Dvd Flair said that Luger put the Look into the horseman .
Not since the 4 horsemen?!? What!?! Revelations is a prophecy of the FUTURE… it hasn’t happened yet…… As an atheist it’s all BS but that is the best part of the bible
