Jim Cornette on Vader Refusing To Lose To The Ultimate Warrior 

Still can't believe ko ko b ware is in and Vader is not.

Mr Feenie buried him.

@@seanboy1287 I'm going to try to ask Mr. Feeney, who's still alive, if Vader smelled bad during his appearance on Boy Meets World. My guess is that he did.

@@vincesmith2499 why would he smell bad?

@@selfishstockton6123 He didn't wash his wrestling gear.

Yeah that was shocking for the time. Same effect when Vince took a chair shot by Piper on accident. When Piper was going after Flair lol. Up till that point we never seen Vince take a bump.

@@MrJjburgess11 Oh I remember that, too! I didn’t even know his first name at the time, just Ventura always calling him “McMahon” lol.

@Wyatt Holliday, it made sense to do the angle with Gorilla & Vader because if you look back at Monsoon's career, he was back in his day, his era's version of Vader.

@@TheSportsfan35 His in-ring work was before my time, of course, but thanks to the internet, I was able to go back and watch a lot of his matches (much like Lawler) - I’m definitely a Gorilla fan!

that was his peek unfortunately in wwe

All for a pill head who was going to be taking a hiatus in 18 months.

@@JM1993951 exactly

WWF/E intentionally dropped the ball on any outside talent they didn't create or establish. Harley Race and Sting come to mind.

@@sjdrifter72 That's actually part of what's turned alot of fans against wwe, in retrospect.

@@sjdrifter72 hmm chris jerhico undertaker triple h rey mysterio aj styles where all outside guys

But he lost to shawn

Vader actually wrestled The Warrior in several matches, and in one of them, The Warrior defeated Vader in 30 seconds

​@@dellavonta187 Losing to HBK was far worse a credibility killer than doing a job for Warrior.

He was sacrificed to Warrior. Go look at his record. He lost to him over ten times and most were straight squashed under 2 minutes so I don't understand what all these people are talking about

I would love to know more about inoki and his association with the Yakuza. I know its there. Bret Hart's book had some interesting stories about it

@@dtogo4286 what happened 😳

@@tonyjuliocappo5459 Unfortunately that's how it works in most countries, if you have a multi-million succesful business, you can't be truly independent. You gotta meddle either in the political world, or underground criminal one.

@@tonyjuliocappo5459 Bret spoke about Yakuza members taking them out to night clubs and buying $400 shots of liquor and expensive dinners and how they were supposed to act around Yakuza. It was a good read.

Warrior would clothesline the entire Yakuza and Gorilla Press the head honcho!!

Internet destroyed kayfabe

@@Hollman36 kayfabe died long before the internet became mainstream

@@matthewl3002 hmmm… 80s and early 90s was still pretty intense, then internet

@@Hollman36 Curtain Call happened in the 90s

When I was a kid, Vader was a big, scary dude, wwf neutered him, also, when I was kid lol

He was a monster. He was very popular and over with the fans in the 90’s

Ya he should of won the title in 96 at Summerslam

@@QuentinDude agreed

Vince can't help it. He has to ruin everything he didn't create.

Agreed!

@SNAKE PLISSKIN well not when they include william shatner over vader among others who choose not to go in. but it is nice to see the actually retired wrestlers for one night. im just saying itd be nice to have one H.O.F. that was taken seriously and would still be shown on TV once a year with actual value to it

@SNAKE PLISSKIN It may mean nothing to people who will never be in it, but it obviously means something to the people who are alive to see their careers being validated with those rings.

SNAKE PLISSKIN it means nothing to you.

@@decepticonxhunter4850 yea i dont mean anything against a good portion of the HOF'rs and you can tell the ones that take pride in it but you have to admit theres a good amount of them that think its all crap n it shows. But theres also more deserving wrestlers that continue to be looked over until they die then it just seems disrespectful.

Mick and Vader had some epic bruisers. Believe he said his ear was against Vader in Germany. Vaders ish looked real because it mostly was real lol potatoes for day's

@@mtorngren15 Mick lost his ear in a match against Vader but Vader didn't actually tear Mick's ear off or anything. Earlier in the night a high flyer wrestler complained that the ropes were too slack so the ring crew tightened the ropes beyond capacity. Mick didn't know anything about this so that when he did his "hang man" spot where he gets his thrown out the ring and gets his head caught between the top and middle ropes thus hanging him by his neck, he couldn't get out of it. The ropes were like a vice on his neck and he was in serious trouble. To make matters worse, immediately after tossing Mick over the ropes into the "hang man" Vader and the ref turned their backs to Mick. Vader was playing to the crowd and the ref was admonishing Vader. When they turned around and realized that Mick was in trouble they tried to get him out of it. The ref pulled on the ropes trying to create space while Vader pummeled Mick on top of the head trying to force Mick's head through the vice like ropes. Between the three of them they managed to free Mick but in the process Mick's ear was literally pushed off his head, as Mick himself put it.

@@mtorngren15 yep Germany vs Vader

@@AWX_Wrestling hey thanks for explaining this. I always knew about the spot with licks ear but never had a full understanding of what happened. Micks a great guy he didn’t deserve that to happen 😒

Mick had a wcw match against vader.. And mick wanted some colour on his face not blood but some redness so he took some hard shots in the corner and vader broke micks nose but foley sold it perfectly

Hell yeah they were.....

Seen the same match and result in Peoria, IL

A well worn script 😆.

@ShadowAngel Nope. Just that "entertainment."

@ShadowAngel they did but I remember it going down differently I could be wrong.

How in the hell did Ultimate Warrior and Vader ever get away with screwing over the fans like that? That kind of behavior constitutes “breach of contract.” Vince McMahon should have fined and suspended their asses!

@@boblewis9226 Do you recall the tickets being available only at a few locations, and Metro Sears was one of them?

They did a lot of that. I remember in Philadelphia they did a no contest gimmick where the match “never started” What a huge disappointment the warrior was

@hitman14ist Well Brother I’m gonna tell ya what destrucity is it’s…ahhh….well..???…Destrucity!!! Yay!

@hitman14ist 🤣😆 one of the greatest Jr quotes

Wish it was on RU-vid to see

That is about the only way they could have realistically booked that match

So could the blue meanie and Hugh Morris what's your point?

@@baronvonsvengoonie1767 When Vader did it noone else that size had and Vader could legitimately and believably beat ass. The Blue Meanie and Bill Damott not so much... Thats my point

Warrior probably cried about it

@@FallicIdol no that’s what Vader did when Shawn punked him out , cried like a bitch lmao

@@tharealest8190 You're kidding right? Vader coulda stomped HBK into the ground without breaking a sweat.

but didn't he job to Hogan.. oh wait you were talking bout Warrior! whoops lol!

@@Treklosopher Jim cornette HIMSELF has a episode on his podcast DETAILING how Shawn verbally abused Vader I’m their match and mad him cry ! You marks are ridiculous

but he did, Vader actually wrestled The Warrior in several matches, and in one of them, The Warrior defeated Vader in 30 seconds

He was ?

@@BonsaiBuckeye well,he actually beat Antonio inoki...so he was kind of a big deal

Not going to lie just being a wrestling fan and watching it since I was a kid and I’m an adult now everything I’ve ever heard about the ultimate warrior even though I was a big fan growing up he sounds like he was the biggest douche bag

@@sambo198921 Warrior is and always will be a legend. He didn't take any crap. I admire that then someone being fake.

I wanna know how much WWE paid people off to actually say anything nice about Ultimate Warrior for 'that documentary'! 🤔

@@foreverred105 lol everything about him is fake.

I loved Jr's comment on dsotr, "he had the charisma, the look, the build, what more could you want?..I don't know, maybe learn to wrestle?!" Something like that anyway.

He should've done the sane with hickenbottom at Summerslam 96.

And Vader didn't mind taken a lost.. Warrior was just difficult to work with.. As Much I didn't care for Triple H I felt sorry for him when Warrior buried him..

@@ValiantWrestling Oh I wish he did! Put that prick in his place.. But the difference is Shawn had a relationship with Vince Mcmahon that hardly no one had.. I will always say Shawn is a great worker but that doesn't mean he didn't bury anyone.. I wish Vader had the same attitude as Scott Steiner or Ron Simmons.. How interesting that would have been?? I wish he had that New Jack(R.I.P) attitude then Shawn would have did business right.. Look what the Undertaker have to do to get him to put Steve Austin over.. Taker had to sit in the gorilla position with tapes wrapped hands to make sure Shawn didn't screw Austin over.. What I can't understand is why Shawn Michaels was allowed to break Kayfabe, Choose to go into business for himself without a consequence in the world??

@@kenrickeason you wouldn't call living in imagination land consequence enough?

@@malikevans2615 no

*Jagov

Which one?

@@TheGM-20XX not trying to argue but I’ve never seen anyone spell jagoff, jagov.

@@jamesmiller3824 I've never seen it spelled jagoff. I've seen Jack and Jerk off. but Jagoff? no.

@@TheGM-20XX it’s Western Pennsylvania slang

no its not... warrior beat andre and hogan why couldnt he beat vader?

@@sublime90 because those are predetermined matches you're mentioning, straight up hand to hand and no script he would tune warrior up

Idk if both men are trained fighters like your lead to believe as a naive wrestling fan. I'd take the 300 pound man of muscle over the 400 lump of fat tbh

@Telly Delucca that's Paul orndorff tho. Peace to that man cause he going through it

@Silence that was the dumbest comment on this thread. Warrior >>> Vader

I saw that finish too in Upstate NY. Why they had Vader jobbing to Warrior & HBK in ‘96 right after signing him is beyond me; then they question why Summerslam didn’t draw and blame Vader! Why buy a PPV to see HBK/Vader when it had been on house shows for months with Vader losing clean in ten minutes.

Same thing happened in Rockford. I was pissed. Match was over in the amount of time I can tie a shoe

@@shaned4954 The tragic thing is, Vader had heat at my house show. If Warrior had about 10 percent of Bret Hart in him, they could have told a really good story with that match.

Ah. The good old mark of the quad. Great memories. I saw Great American bash 97 there.

@@damonodell9125 Me too! It's the taxslayer center these days!

I have that entire show via Fan Cam.

Not this comment again

Its literally in the comments at least 4000 times in every video

@Aaron Lassiter didn’t know that, never read those. Thank you

@@fartdonkey8290 apologies

'JIm'? Cornette or Hellwig?

WCW Vader 90-94 >>>>> Warrior's career By far

You guys are smoking crack.

@@bobc2043 watch WCW Big Van Vader, then come back tell me Warrior's better in any way

And a 100 Ultimate Warriors still couldn't beat Vader!

I'm not sure job guys would be happy with 100 vaders running around XD

It's Big Van Vader not Big Fang Vader.

@@k.konczak3291 im talking about pre wwe. Why would it be van? A big van?

@@nm7891 Because it is? His gimmick name was Big Van Vader. Quit arguing.

I have heard rumors to that extent. Imagine the Big Van Vader helmet on top of a body that jacked

@@Nunnayadambiness imagine him trying to pull the stuff he pulled with American promoters on Inoki!

@@ChrisC11291980 inoki would have slapped the shit out of him.

I don’t have the link but Dutch Mantel details this story on his website. Ernie whipped those two guys asses

@@calebberaud9747 I remember hearing there was a tire iron involved

That’s right! Basically Ernie agreed to do the job as long as his jobs weren’t recorded. But Ernie, one night saw the red light and knew he was being recorded. Shortly after him and Dutch hauled ass and flew on a small plane. Dutch and Ernie parted ways after smoking a blunt and drinking. Gotta party somehow Both brisco brothers track Ladd down to jump him, Ernie grabs the tire iron and beats them up so bad he even dumped them at the hospital. Dutch describes this story in much better detail!

I'd pay to see that.

Unless Warrior was wearing flip-flops

I don't think either one of them were real fighters. Most wrestlers are not real tough guys.

@@kpax45 Vader was a tough guy. Warrior was a bodybuilder. I give the edge to the tough guy lol

Warrior could wrestle when he had to. All these jealous pricks just won’t admit it. Especially Jim C.

@@LoneWolf-cf5tp 😂

Clean pin?

@@tonesdad0408 no, but he still jobbed. He got squashed for the most part, clotheslined out of the ring, and walked off instead of sticking around to get pinned. Standard heel tactic.

Warrior would put Vader in a sardine can

yet he did not know that Vader wrestled the warrior in many matches and lost to him in less than 30 seconds, even though he was his manager!

They fought at various house shows in mid96

@ShadowAngel dark matches = non-televised bouts. They never fought each other on camera, only had dark matches and house show bouts

You suck Kurt angle fans

What's up with moronic fans simply quoting well known catchphrases? Ist that supposed to indicate some sort of skill that should be applauded?

@@Bale4Bond probably a bot always spamming generic bullcrap like 'thing exists - something else' or I love the way such and such...

shawn had more pull

@Telly Delucca flair had multiple primes. 2002 to 2005 flair was damn good. 90 to 95 flair was damn good. 82 to 89

The original plan was for Vader to win the belt from Michaels at Survivor Series and drop it back to him at the Rumble, but Vader got hurt and Michaels didn’t want to work with him again after Summerslam. They even called the Dec In Your House “It’s Time”. Sid was just someone Michaels felt comfortable working with, but the plan was never to put the belt on Warrior. As you said, that would have been an absolute shit show.