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Jimmy Page (DIY) 50's Style Mod 

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Another Breja Tone Works (DIY) video - this time tackling the zillion wires involved in converting your Les Paul wiring into the "Jimmy Page" wiring and giving yourself 21 different pickup combinations in the process. This is a detailed step-by-step guide to doing this modification. Enjoy

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@BrejaToneWorks
@BrejaToneWorks 9 лет назад
For those who asked - the pickup wire codes for this mod are based on the Seymour Duncan colors.
@flashy5150
@flashy5150 8 лет назад
+Breja ToneWorks Hey Breja. I understand that Jimmy's #1 LP only had one push/pull on it that changes the pickups to "out of phase". From what I've seen in a video of Jimmy's actual guitar, it's the bridge tone that controls this. Do you know how to do this with 3x 500k pots and 1x 500k push/pull ? If you have the guitar on your lap in playing position, it's the bottom right switch -- I would presume that it's the bridge tone. That's all I need to do is switch the pickups out of phase.
@BrejaToneWorks
@BrejaToneWorks 8 лет назад
+flashy5150 Hey - You might be right on the JP stuff. I personally don't have this mod on any of my guitars and when I have done it for people, it's as I've shown here. If all he did was create a P/P for Out of Phase, then all you'd need to do is search HB Phase Mod and apply that to the appropriate pot. It's a simple 'X' wiring and if you can't find one - email me at BrejaToneWorks@gmail.com and I can send one to ya. Don
@flashy5150
@flashy5150 8 лет назад
Breja ToneWorks Thanks Don, I will look it up.Back in 1970 - '73, Jimmy never really used any kind of mod. I think he really did this because of so many solid state and high gain amps that were being released in the '80's, and to get that sharp tone, he needed to make the pickups do the work, since the amps couldn't. Also, push/pulls were never available until the '80's or maybe even the '90's. Jimmy really did this while playing with "The Firm" in the '80's. He did some really whacky stuff back then -- I didn't like it -- please, don't tell Jimmy lol. Jimmy even said, he barely uses that 21 tone mod, only in the studio, when he was looking for a certain tone. So "no Led Zeppelin was ever created with a push/pull switch". There is a video that only shows the interviewer pulling up that lower right push/pull switch and Jimmy did it too, and it was the same switch to change it "out of phase". "Out of Phase", as we all know, makes the two pickups fight each other, creating a very thin but compressed sound. This is the only sound I would need to play Led Zeppelin. The "Whole Lotta Love" solo is a prime example of why it was created. Back then, Jimmy had to use full humbuckers for the rhythm and change to his supro or something to get the thin tone. With the out of phase switch, he can just pull it and the bass will just drop out. Sorry I wrote so much Don, but there are things that need to be clarified. Cheers
@flashy5150
@flashy5150 8 лет назад
Breja ToneWorks Hey Don. I've found a HB Phase Mod schematic. Since I am only changing one pot to do the phase reversal, can I use one of the tone pots, as opposed to a volume pot, or does it have to be a volume pot ? Jimmy's seems to be the farthest pot away from his bridge, which is the bridge tone. He probably did it this way to prevent knocking it with his picking hand by accident. Thanks
@elsariguella
@elsariguella 7 лет назад
Hi, this scheme is different from the one that appears in www.amazon.com/920D-Custom-Shop-Harness-Switchcraft/dp/B00VMS2XIQ I install The circuit that appears in the schematic and now the guitar only makes annoying noises, what do you advise me?
@Tyrell_Corp2019
@Tyrell_Corp2019 3 месяца назад
This video is 10 years old and yet still the best one on this topic. Thank you. 🙏
@FreddysFrets
@FreddysFrets 10 лет назад
Nice job! I would just like to warn people....if you are only looking at the full wiring diagram to wire it all up intsead of following the video step by step be sure to not ground the black wire from the neck pickup to the bridge volume pot. In the diagram it looks like it's grounded but it's actually just passing over top of a star ground point.
@MarkMerrick
@MarkMerrick 3 года назад
Thank you. This is the third Jimmy Page wiring instructional I have tried and the first to work!
@TANKE777
@TANKE777 4 года назад
Just finished the circuit! works to perfection, I just wanted to thank you for putting the time and providing this information.
@SD-nj1cy
@SD-nj1cy 3 года назад
did you follow the illustration or narrative? They dont match starting at 8:43
@TANKE777
@TANKE777 3 года назад
@@SD-nj1cy Follow the illustration, I think the narrator misspoke in that minute. If you look at the start of the video the whole circuit is displayed, that is the correct circuit. Hope it helps, any doubt give me a shout.
@SD-nj1cy
@SD-nj1cy 3 года назад
@@TANKE777 THANKS!!!!
@u.s.a.198
@u.s.a.198 3 года назад
Great video! To think back to Jimmy Pages time so many years ago... he was a genius. This is a very complex concept. Truly a pioneer and grand experimenter!
@bryanwilliams3665
@bryanwilliams3665 Год назад
Steve Hoyland did this mod on Jimmy Pages seldom used #2 Les Paul in 1985. It isn't relevant to the Zeppelin years . His guitar was 'standard wired'in Led Zeppelin. JImmy Pages 'Right Hand Man' and tech ( Clive Coulson) was a good customer of my Guitar Shop in New Zealand.. I make and Demo Page pickups on my channel,if you're interested in this.
@Rick_Cleland
@Rick_Cleland Год назад
​@@bryanwilliams3665 👀
@rogerpodacter6241
@rogerpodacter6241 8 лет назад
Hi Don, I just finished wiring up my guitar for JP 21 tones following your video. Everything works as should, first try. Your instructions were clear and easy to follow - I appreciate your time and work! Thank you!
@alovax
@alovax 7 месяцев назад
great job!!!!! your wiring works fantastic! grazie 1000!!!
@jakubnoino2597
@jakubnoino2597 Год назад
I wouldn't have done it without this video. Many thanks!
@Sunke89
@Sunke89 11 месяцев назад
Followed everything and works really good, Thank you!
@Thomasplaysguitar
@Thomasplaysguitar 3 года назад
Followed your video step by step and the schematic works like a charm. You broke it down and made it really easy to follow and get it done. Thanks! My Epi LP is now a true tone machine!
@DanielFavio
@DanielFavio 3 года назад
I followed the directions exactly and it totally worked!!!! I’ll post a video of what it sounds like 👍 with Filtertrons and my Epiphone Wildkat.
@rolteus3706
@rolteus3706 7 лет назад
I did it myself. pay attention to one wire at a time it's pretty simple. just identify your wire, find where it goes and solder it up then move on to the next wire. this is the greatest wiring scheme ever I love the phase shift with coil cut on the neck pickup the most. It allows you to choose which coil you want when your use the coil cut on the neck pickup. I used the serial-broadbucker option for the bridge volume switch that makes all four coils of both pickups serialized into one large pickup. The sound is huge and you can absolutely recognize jimi's tones when you do this on a les paul with good pickups. I love this wiring scheme so much I did the neck portion of it on my superstrat and left the bridge side in typical configuration. cherry pick this diagram for your favorite tones.
@TheTricov
@TheTricov 3 года назад
Thank You! It worked great. This was my first time wiring a guitar. It took Quite a bit of time, but so worth it!
@harryhellyer1905
@harryhellyer1905 7 лет назад
Hi Fantastic video, thanks for all your hard work: I just used it to upgrade my 'Vintage' LP Paradise that I bought second hand. I got the kit from Allparts which was good (apart from the 3 way switch being to short!)- but the wiring diagram was difficult to fathom. So I just spent the best part of the weekend methodically wiring up using your video. And now its all done: tested it out, and (after 5 mins general sadness as no noise was coming out - until I realised I had to turn the volume pots up), it sounds brilliant - literally. So thanks again for your efforts very much appreciated: You are a Dog amongst Nem or something like that.
@harryhellyer1905
@harryhellyer1905 7 лет назад
as an update: Allparts have offered to send me out a long thread nut for the 3 way switch - which is nice! meanwhile the paradise is sounding and playing fabulous
@weeman6932
@weeman6932 10 лет назад
I just have to say thank you so much for your videos. they really have helped mu understand the inner workings of my guitars and have now been able to fix two guitars which i couldn't afford to take into my music shop. saved me lots of money!!! Thank you
@BrejaToneWorks
@BrejaToneWorks 9 лет назад
Hey Brogan... I appreciate it. I remember the feeling of not having the money to do what I wanted with guitars which is why I do these videos - to help people out. Best of luck.
@chrisgellion307
@chrisgellion307 7 лет назад
Followed instructions and diagram,, and it works 100% thank you for this brilliant video.. a happy Les Paul owner I am :)
@kingofspades8856
@kingofspades8856 3 года назад
Did you use CTS or Bourns pots? I'm already trying to wire it up and think if there are any slight differences between them in respect to lugs order (a1,b1,l1, etc.)? I decided to use Bourns pots and the schematics in internet show different set of lugs are interconnected. I don't know if he mentioned pots of which company he uses in this wiring.
@janfranciscoramirez4733
@janfranciscoramirez4733 5 лет назад
This wiring diagram... it’s really works!!!!!!!!! Thank you so much!!!!! 🙏
@mC_DiDiDiDiDi
@mC_DiDiDiDiDi 4 года назад
I don't get it, I have looked over my wiring 3 times, and it fits the video. I'm using Gibson 57 classics in both bridge and neck, I realise the video is based on Seymour Duncan and switched as follows: Seymour D black is hot (North start) , Gibson red is hot. Seymour D white is north finish, same for Gibson. Seymour D red is south finish, Gibson green is south finish. Seymour D green is south start, Gibson black is south start. Bare shield is the same for both. I get no sound, only noise when I touch the selector switch.
@brettshegogue
@brettshegogue 3 года назад
@@mC_DiDiDiDiDi that sounds like a bad ground somewhere. Did you figure this out?
@mortenskjerven7951
@mortenskjerven7951 7 лет назад
Thanks for a great scheme and a superb video. I have built it into my SG Special, with Bourns push pull pots.
@osebik
@osebik 5 лет назад
Perfect walkthrough, thanks a lot, works well!
@seankelly6139
@seankelly6139 3 года назад
How did you get this to work. I wired it exactly how he described it in the drawing and the bridge volume and split coil doesn't work. The neck volume works with no split coil. Did you attach the wires from the switch to the lugs on the volume switches or where he has them. I have them where he does and it doesn't work
@osebik
@osebik 3 года назад
@@seankelly6139 if you are new to this kind of stuff as I was when I tried it, any number of thing might be wrong. It took me a while to get it right and had such problems as well. Just double check everything and go slow is all I can say. Checking soldering points to see if they are connected is where I would start. Good luck mate.
@seankelly6139
@seankelly6139 3 года назад
I have been doing this for a few years now and I have everything attached properly exactly how he has it described. You have everything attached properly where he described it and it works great for you?
@osebik
@osebik 3 года назад
@@seankelly6139 yep
@mariobarrela
@mariobarrela 9 лет назад
Hello Don Thanks a lot for your fast answer and advice. I will try the treble bleed. Thanks Mário
@bryanwilliams3665
@bryanwilliams3665 Год назад
Fantastic mod to get the most out of your guitar .Great video too! This mod was done for Jimmy circa 1985( 'The Firm' era) by Steve Hoyland on Jimmy's seldom used #2 Les Paul...It wasn't anything to do with Led Zeppelin . Those chasing that Les Paul sound,I demo those Pickups on my channel . My knowledge came from Clive Coulson( Jimmy's Right Hand Man) Clive was a customer of my Guitar Shop in New Zealand.
@mafw5572
@mafw5572 2 года назад
Thanks for the mod, i will try something similar on a strat
@kidsyoutube5537
@kidsyoutube5537 6 лет назад
Worked great! Was a bit daunting for my first real soldering project, but this video really helped me be successful. Only way it would be better is if you showed the actual soldering!
@andrekovacs7954
@andrekovacs7954 6 лет назад
Great video Don! I did an easier version of this mod to my SG a couple of years ago, but I used Seymour Duncan's Triple Shot rings to ease the pickup selection, leaving only 2 push-pull switches for phase and series/parallel on volumes and standard tone knobs. Cheers, Andre
@brianknickerbocker8518
@brianknickerbocker8518 7 лет назад
I'm dizzy, now how again will this get me out of trouble with the wife. I love your videos getting ready to wire up my SG now just reg vintage, I only watch this because I enjoy and had to see everything the J P wiring could do.Thanks
@aspguitars10
@aspguitars10 Год назад
Hi! from UK. I've just found your Video on the Jimmy Page Wiring. Very informative. I was wondering if you could do this with CTS Push/Push Pots with Seymour Duncan Pickups. I realise that this is an old Video, but was hoping that you may have had this question before!
@paddyhaig101
@paddyhaig101 9 лет назад
Could you possibly clarify for a number of us. What wiring color convention you are using? Gibson? Dimarzio? EMG? Seymour Duncan? Or any of a number of others. As it is, by stating at the beginning of the tutorial that the wiring is being done for a Les Paul, the assumption would be it's a Gibson wiring schema. Using four conductor Gibson pickups.Alll the different brand pickups seem to use different colors in respects to the termination of the wires on the pickups. For example Gibson Aftermarket pickups use: This wiring convention Red = North Start White = North Finish Green = South Finish Black = South Start Bare wire = Ground Dimarzio pickups use: This wiring convention Red = North Start Black = North Finish White = South Finish Green = South Start Bare wire = Ground Seymour Duncan pickups use: This wiring convention Black = North Start White = North Finish Red = South Finish Green = South Start Bare wire = Ground As you can see, all the big names use different wiring conventions on their pickups. I have a Gibson SG and paid to have the Gibson 1957 humbuckers rewired with four conductor wiring using the Gibson standard color scheme. Also because it's an SG the wiring cavity is pretty shallow, so much so, that I cannot put blobs of solder on the backs of my dpdt push/push switches. So I have to be clever in how my earth wiring is run. Everything that requires an earth has gotten an earth, just a little differnt than your presentation/tutorial. Anyway, so far, using the Gibson wiring color scheme it isn't working. So I am now going to try the Seymour Duncan color scheme. Wish me luck :-)
@giangavinopiras9211
@giangavinopiras9211 2 года назад
Sarà una bella avventura saldare tutti questi fili già ne uscirò mezzo esaurito dato e la prima volta che lo faccio uhahahahaha complimenti per la spiegazione molto acurata
@raxxtango
@raxxtango 8 лет назад
Excellent video tutorial
@Nigel-ry1po
@Nigel-ry1po 4 месяца назад
the 'tone master' is Tony Iommi listen to BLACK SABBATHs albums after Master of Reality ! I have never heard those tones done since ! Iommi is the tone master
@abmbarry
@abmbarry 6 лет назад
Thank you so much for your superb tutorial. I am about to put Suhr Thornbuckers into a Epiphone LP Custom Pro. I think the Suhr has the same wiring code as Seymour Duncan's, ... I'll have to measure them anyway to confirm.
@chriswalz8990
@chriswalz8990 4 года назад
Didn't work on my LP. I've played this video and checked and re-checked the wiring 7 times now. I even set it down and walked away for 3 hours and came back to it refreshed. Nothing! Not a sound. Perhaps if I sleep on it and attack it again in the morning? Very frustrated. I had bought a pre-wired Jimmy Page harness online last year. It didn't work out of the box. I looked over their diagram and noticed they missed 2 jumper wires. It sounded great after that, but I didn't like that it would cut out when I had it on the bridge pickup and pulled the tone knob. So I wanted to give this one a shot. Wish it would have worked.
@jameshendee4489
@jameshendee4489 5 лет назад
12-11-18 - Between 8:12 and 9:14 in your video (wiring review section), there are some major errors in the narrative and the illustrations you are trying to use under the narrative. The narrative and the illustrations used during the narrative here do not match at all. Starting at 8:03 in the video (reviewing the pickup wirings), the narrative does not match the illustrations. - 8:03 - illustration changes to the bridge pickup wiring page - Narrative at 8:10: "...if we start with the neck pickup..." and starts explaining the neck pickup's wiring >> but uses the bridge pickup wiring illustration - 8:43 - illustration changes to the neck pickup wiring page - Narrative at 8:44 "...Same ting if we look at the neck pickup to ensure we have the right wiring..." - but the narrative starts to discuss the bridge pickup wiring... yet uses the neck pickup illustration in the video under this narrative... continues incorrect narrative/illustration until 9:14 - 9:15, "...and there you have it"... concludes the "review", illustration changes to the completed wiring diagram.
@paintbox48
@paintbox48 4 года назад
Great vid, but there are a couple of problems. As well as the situation of the black wire from the neck pickup appearing to be ground on the B-vol - (it should just go to the B-vol switch) - from around 8.05 in the commentary you have the pickup names and controls mixed up. Also there seems to be two ground wires from the switch to B-vol (only one required). I hope this helps clarify any confusion.
@VH5150Zone
@VH5150Zone 11 лет назад
Awesome. Thanks so much.
@sdothodg
@sdothodg 9 лет назад
Can you do a video on the Jimmy Page No. 2 Les Paul? It has the same wiring plus two more DPDT switches hidden under the pickguard.
@BrejaToneWorks
@BrejaToneWorks 9 лет назад
Hey Sean... Let me look it up and see what I can do. Don
@lorenzowynberg
@lorenzowynberg 2 года назад
@@BrejaToneWorks yes please !!!
@TheHahayanyan
@TheHahayanyan 7 лет назад
thx you for this video, i done it last week, it works and prefer it over the non 50 style jimmy page wiring which i found at SD, and wonder, it seem to be only one master volume ,wonder is it something i can have both 50 style and both volume control for the bridge and the neck ? thx so much
@richardjagger6920
@richardjagger6920 8 лет назад
Thanks you answered just below. Thanks man
@Efrumful
@Efrumful 9 лет назад
Pretty awesome diagram, thank you for making this, it really helped me out! I am having a bit of trouble as to my Bridge Tone isn't varying in tone and the Neck Volume just cuts the p/up altogether. Any suggestions Breja ToneWorks?
@BrejaToneWorks
@BrejaToneWorks 9 лет назад
Efrumful email me directly at BrejaToneWorks@gmail.com and I can shoot you a copy of the instructions. My first suggestion is to go back over them step by step to make sure you're in good shape. After that - we'll have to take on other potential troubleshooting. Don
@apache1607
@apache1607 Год назад
Following the connections of the diagram illustrated in the video there is one disadvantage: With the series/parallel switch set to series and the 3-way pickup selector in the neck position, the guitar will be silent.
@mikestewart3859
@mikestewart3859 11 лет назад
Wiring diagram is top shelf. You went above and beyond and people appreciate that. One question, is it safe for me to assume you used Gibson Pickups for your rewire? Reason I ask is each manufacturer uses a different color code system for their hookup wires (I'm sure that isn't breaking news to you) and I will need to convert the colors to suit my pickups. Thanks for your time and your awesome video.
@BrejaToneWorks
@BrejaToneWorks 11 лет назад
Mike... Actually mine uses the Seymour Duncan HB pickup wire colors. I believe it goes like this with these two companies: SD Slug Poles: Black Start (Hot) / White (Finish) Screw Poles: Red Finish / Green Start Gibson Slug Poles: Red Start (Hot) / White Finish Screw Poles: Green Finish / Black Start I appreciate the comments and thanks for watching. Best of luck.
@acstandifer
@acstandifer 11 лет назад
Breja ToneWorks Did you have any switch positions were there was no sound or "dead spots"? Will the guitar run series mode only when in the neck position or will it function in the middle and neck positions in series as well?
@Nigel-ry1po
@Nigel-ry1po 4 месяца назад
I am a professional musician Tony Iommi has the same 'tone' It is so much more cumbersome trying to get this 'magic' tone on Gibson style 'double coils' It just makes it unnecessarily difficult don't think I know ? Black Sabbath's first two albums ? done on a Gibson SG with single coil P90s ok I'll tell ya ! 'neck & bridge's OUT OF PHASE you're welcome NIGEL here, rock on
@Rick_Cleland
@Rick_Cleland 6 лет назад
Why? Why Jimmy? WHY!??
@bryanwilliams3665
@bryanwilliams3665 Год назад
It was an experiment. Done during "The Firm" era circa 1985 on Jimmy's #2 Les Paul by Steve Hoyland Has nothing to do with the iconic Zeppelin Years... that guitar was standard wiring.The Zeppelin pickups are on my channel.
@MMMfollower123
@MMMfollower123 10 лет назад
Great Job... Thanks so much, I'd be very interested in you new wiring concept... btw I sub'ed
@MOD_Guitar
@MOD_Guitar 7 лет назад
One item that is good to mention is to use linear taper push/pull pots for volume and audio (logrithmic) taper pots for tone. None few times I have used the wrong type (linear) for the tone pots and had little to no sweep in the adjustment of the tone. It was mud at 10 then from about 8 to 1 wide open. I hope this helps!
@Diuri1978
@Diuri1978 4 года назад
Hi, very thanks for your video.I used this wiring diagram for my Gibson SG. My guitar included Seymour Duncan SH 2 N and SH 4, 4x CTS push-pull 500K 2x Orange drop 022 caps Beautiful sound, especially out of phase. But I have a little problem with bridge volume and neck tone controls. bridge volume works on 50% and neck tone don't regulated absolutely. Please help me, dear Breja. Thank you!
@-thirteen
@-thirteen 8 лет назад
thanks much for this video. I'm getting close to ripping the pcb wiring out of my 2013 Standard and either doing this or trying to do a 50's style + Peter Green mod. I think this uses regular 50's wiring but replacing the Neck tone with a push/pull to Put the neck and bridge pickups out of phase. I don;t know, however, if this would be series or parallel or how exactly to wire it up.....Have you ever done one of these? The JP is always what I've wanted for all the combos but I really can;t see myself using all these options...... Thanks again.. great info
@linksfiery22
@linksfiery22 3 года назад
Holy balls I just did this entire wiring with the dimarzio color code ; ( GG. send condolensces.
@robbenfelix
@robbenfelix Год назад
So, wait... What happens with the pup selector in the bridge position and only the bridge tone push-pull engaged?
@thegabrielguitar9727
@thegabrielguitar9727 4 года назад
Mother of configurationssss
@stevemeadows
@stevemeadows 2 года назад
Thanks for the video, very helpful! Is there a reason for having 2 wires going to the ground lug of the 3 way switch? Unless I'm mistaken, they both go to ground on the bridge volume pot.
@spacegoat77
@spacegoat77 6 лет назад
Hey awesome video. Like a few others having a few problems getting it to work. Any chance of getting the PDF of the instructions?
@Powow0061
@Powow0061 6 лет назад
So this might be a dumb question, but when you solder the wires to the “top” of the pots, are you talking about the top of the A1,2,3 and b1,2,3 block? If that makes any sense.
@olenfersoi8887
@olenfersoi8887 5 месяцев назад
I am dying to figure out how to do this wiring but with a master volume control and a true balance control, rather than 2 volume controls. And, note that this must be a true balance control (both inputs at max at "5" detent position, one at 0% & the other at 100% at positions 1 vs 10. I want to do this on a Stratocaster, HSS treating the middle & neck & middle single coil pickups as the two coils of a humbucker...and the middle pickup need not have the capability to reverse its phase, so the wiring would actually being easier, if that's as far as it went, especially since, also, the 5 way switch could be replaces with a 3 way...BUT, again, I insist upon that master volume & balance, NOT 2 volume controls, which I think was stupid from the day it was "invented". I'm not sure if there is such a thing as a push-pull (no load???) balance control, but an added slide switch could be used to substitute for the middle/neck push-pull switching if necessary. Then again, the Strat has 5-way switch rather than 3 position...plus there's the 5-way Super Switch, & even the Freeway 10-position switch, that can be used if necessary. Yes, I know about the 9-way Strat mod (see diagram at 6 String Supplies), that uses 2 P-P pots for the tone controls. But, with there being 20 possible combinations of push, pull & switch positions, it appears there are only those "9 ways", with multiple bridge, middle or neck output combinations. (Or, is the "standard" 9-way mod simply not taking advantage of other possible tone combinations?) Can you tell me if this is possible? If yes, can you help me diagram the wiring?
@Pedalheadshow
@Pedalheadshow 8 месяцев назад
For anyone who’s really following his instructions word by word. In the end when he’s discussing where the wires from the pickups have to go. He mixed up his instructions for the neck wiring. While showing the bridge wiring diagram, and then he mixed up the instructions for the bridge pickups while showing us the neck pickup diagram. Otherwise the video is 100% correct and his instructions are correct. Just really really confusing when you’re trying to figure out why what he’s talking about doesn’t match up with the diagram on the video. Really confusing especially when you’re up at 5 am. Just wanted to through that out there.
@GibsonLesPaul2273
@GibsonLesPaul2273 2 года назад
What a great video. I have a question, im using Bourns pots, are the A1 and B1 lugs at the base of the pot or the shaft end of the pot?
@Chargerd77
@Chargerd77 6 лет назад
awesome! Thanx !
@soundsfromAken
@soundsfromAken 2 года назад
It is better to follow Breja’s words or simply the images? I read in some comments that at a certain point it becomes quite confusing..🥲
@poorjudjement
@poorjudjement 8 лет назад
Very Cool! You guys have the best DIY vids! I am considering this for a LP 12 string build, but using push push pots and adding a mini humbucker in the center, and would want in phase out of phase, bridge, neck, center....neck, center....bridge, center....and center/mini only options. Is this doable minus adding another switch or pot? TY
@BrejaToneWorks
@BrejaToneWorks 8 лет назад
+Something from NoThing email me directly at BrejaToneWorks@gmail.com
@joesimon2018
@joesimon2018 4 года назад
I've done these on a few guitars. I always thought it was a nothing-to-lose mod since the guitar isself isn't altered at all. All you are doing is replacing 4 pots and rewiring things a bit. You can always return the guitar to stock....but why bother? With all the pots "down" it's a standard Les Paul. What do you gain? Maybe some lower gain clean tones by splitting the pots. Also you get a lot of interesting "half cocked wah" sounds from the phase inversions. I think all Les Pauls should,be,wired this way from the factory. It only costs Gibson a few extra pennies for different pots. Instead they offer stupid clown color guitars.
@luisefrenburciaga211
@luisefrenburciaga211 5 лет назад
Thank You!!!
@dazscrivo
@dazscrivo 8 лет назад
Another Great video. Could you please do video on a les Paul bypass to bridge mod please? It's the only Gibson one U haven't done. It's the 4 th pull on new les Paul standards u pull it and it bypasses all tones and volumes and goes straight from bridge to output Jack. Thanks
@BrejaToneWorks
@BrejaToneWorks 8 лет назад
+dazscrivo Let me see what I can come up with... :)
@dazscrivo
@dazscrivo 8 лет назад
Also have you tried this wiring scheme for Jimmy page? I know a few techs who followed Seymour Duncan Jimmy page wiring and it didn't work properly without tones bleeding from pickup sections not supposed to be on. Cheers
@fulesmackofule
@fulesmackofule 4 года назад
In the full wiring diagram there are two ground wires leaving the switch, one towards the bridge volume and the other to the bridge tone pot. However, it is not needed later in the steps towards the tone pot. What is the right one? Assuming it's not needed, only once to the bridge volume pot, also after checking the two pics, that wire doesn't go to bridge tone, but bridge volume, basically twice, as the bridge volume grounds the bridge tone with the same curve. Please confirm.
@seankelly6139
@seankelly6139 4 года назад
Do you have a wiring diagram for this but 3 volume and 1 tone for a 1958 Les Paul black beauty. Or if anyone has something on one. Thanks.
@juyanine
@juyanine 5 лет назад
I installed some Donlis alnico 2 with this wiring and it worked amazingly. It was a lot of work though. Here is a post with the wiring info: www.mylespaul.com/threads/jimmy-page-like-wiring-a-tribute-plus-blow-by-blow-wiring-demo-with-photos.265231/
@anthonyviana6141
@anthonyviana6141 9 лет назад
Seeing as manufacturers make their pickups all differently. Which brand of pickups is this specific to? Gibson, Seymour Duncan, DiMarzio? I'm just unsure about the north start/finish and south start/finish and if that would affect the wiring. Cheers in advance if you get a chance to answer 👍🏼😁
@shawnthompson48
@shawnthompson48 7 лет назад
How do you do this with a Bare Knuckles Black Dog Pick Up? Bare Knuckles says on their website that it goes: Black: Start of Screw coil White: End of Screw coil Red: Start of Slug coil Green: End of Slug coil 920D Says Neck pickup is North Screw South Slug Bridge Pickup is North Slug South Screw
@chavalozvi
@chavalozvi 10 лет назад
8:20 diagram is mixed up you say to check for wiring the neck pickup and show bridge diagram and vice versa, but anyway it's been of great help thanks for the tutorial.
@BrejaToneWorks
@BrejaToneWorks 10 лет назад
:( Wow... good call. I didn't even notice that when I proofed the video before posting it. Sorry if it caused any confusion.
@chavalozvi
@chavalozvi 10 лет назад
Confused just the first time I watched it. It's a really good video. I'm about to do this wiring for my LP, I plan to use your video as guidance. Thanks for the video BTW.
@MrMaton01
@MrMaton01 7 лет назад
So what's correct? The diagram or what you're saying? A lot of times they don't match.
@ebiros2
@ebiros2 6 лет назад
Not the neck pickup, it's the bridge pickup an error in the narrative
@jamhandy7325
@jamhandy7325 5 лет назад
I noticed that, too... towards the end of the video he is talking about the wrong pickup... neck versus bridge, etc... one more translation to make... Might be a good idea for Breja Toneworks to make a new audio voice-over for this, stating that the pickup wiring is for Seymour Duncan pickups only... and to name the right pickup when he is naming the wrong pickup toward the end of the video... re-doing the audio would be easy enough. I am sure there is space enough to tell folks about the Seymour Duncan wiring... that's pretty important, if it was my video, I would re-do the audio and make these corrections... its busy enough in there let along confusing directions with mistakes in the audio... then delete this video... so there isn't two of them on here, on correct, one with messed up pickup namings...
@ProBird79
@ProBird79 8 лет назад
Great tutorial! Thank you!! Would you recommend adding treble bleeds to these as well? If so would they still go from the L1 to L2 positions? Where is your modern Jimmy Page wiring video, I can't find it. I'll be taking on this project within the next few weeks.
@BrejaToneWorks
@BrejaToneWorks 8 лет назад
+ProBird79 Depends on your pickups but they're not the worst thing to add. Especially in this case as trying to add them AFTER all of this other wiring is done is going to be a challenge. What you could do is extend the leads on the treble bleeds so that if you don't like them (or wish to change to a different type), you can do it easier - and yes, they'd go on the same L1/L2 lugs. I don't have a modern version of this scheme.
@ProBird79
@ProBird79 8 лет назад
Thanks for the reply Breja. I've read that the 50's wiring doesn't need a treble bleed due to how the circuitry is wired, and it's only necessary for the modern wiring? In the video you mention you have a modern version so I assume you are talking about how the capacitors are wired differently (9:28). Again, GREAT tutorial!!
@BrejaToneWorks
@BrejaToneWorks 8 лет назад
+ProBird79 Personal preference but Yes, in a normal situation you don't need the treble bleed with the vintage wiring.
@MrWindsurfer222
@MrWindsurfer222 7 лет назад
Hi, love your video. Just bought 4 Push/pull pots SPST. Is it possible to achieve this wiring with them or should I get DPDT instead? Thank you. Such a useful video.
@JohnShalamskas
@JohnShalamskas Год назад
This circuit needs DPDT switches.
@strangeuniverse1199
@strangeuniverse1199 Год назад
I think this is the best guide for the J.P. 21 tone wiring on the internet. I bought some 21 gauge vintage cloth wire for the job but that stuff did not work. What works well is that thin black wire that connects to AC chargers and voltage adapters. I lined the control cavity with self stick copper foil bought on Ebay. This wiring job took 3 days and I only made a couple small mistakes, easily corrected. I did not need to follow the grounding instructions exactly as shown, my guitar has a slightly different grounding scheme that I used. I put paint on the 4 different push pull pots and put scotch tape with marks on the guitars body indicating where each push pull pot was located. I needed a flashlight for close inspection inside the control cavity after soldering. Good quality solder should be used for the job. It might be difficult to ground the pots with cheap solder. I heard Jimmy Page did not use this particular 21 tone setup in Led Zeppelin. This wiring schematic first came out in 1985 from what I heard. While in Zeppelin I heard Page had a hidden switch underneath the pick guard of his Les Paul, so the guitar he used in concert did not have a stock pick up arrangement. This wiring job takes some skill, I would not say it's easy at all since it took me 3 partial days to complete. If you are up to the challenge then I recommend doing it.
@mark5150ty
@mark5150ty 5 лет назад
I completely understand everything it is going on in the wiring but in a playing situation how the hell can you remember all those different combos don't think I would use it is very interesting though
@averyaaron1
@averyaaron1 3 года назад
I am about to attempt this. I've ordered everything i need except, i don't know which capacitors i need.... Help! What are the right capacitors. Iv got SD humbuckers 2 A500k push pulls, 2B500k push pull. A 3 wat toggle, output...... Just need to know the right capacitor.
@tootory9506
@tootory9506 3 года назад
@@JYZProductions Great info thank you Dash what's a heat sink look like where can you get one? Thanks again
@Em_Dee_Aitch
@Em_Dee_Aitch Год назад
What if I just want to use my volumes to split the neck each way, and the tones to split the bridge each way? I
@Cre8tvMG
@Cre8tvMG 2 года назад
I don’t know why anyone would wire a guitar any other way. It’s like buying four more guitars!
@bsbozzy
@bsbozzy 6 лет назад
There are 2 wires from the selector switch to the bridge ground, @2:07 and @3:37, are both needed?
@elsariguella
@elsariguella 5 лет назад
hey friend!!! Did you take the two connections to ground or only one ???
@spearmintt1342
@spearmintt1342 4 года назад
Old as hell video but on Bridge Volume and Neck Tone engaged, would you not have the south coil (screws) of the bridge? Also, on all four engaged, would you not have the north coil (studs) of the bridge engaged?
@CHAOTICBLACKDEATH
@CHAOTICBLACKDEATH 9 лет назад
G'day there mate. I am about to start building a DIY Guitars SG Kit guitar, and am thinking of using the Vintage tone wiring for one pickup (most likely the brighter neck pup), whilst wiring the other Modern. I play Thrashing, Grinding, Doomy, Blackened Death Metal and want deep, dark & ominous tone for the Death Metal sound, and grating, harsh highs for the black Metal sound. Possibly use the Russian paper & oil caps for the Modern Bridge pickup, and the little round ones for the Vintage Neck pickup. Is this a feeseable option? Will it work? And would it work well, with this Jimmy Page 50's wiring. I love the sound of 21 different pickup tone settings to choose from. And here I was initially thinking I would have only the Volume pots as push/pull switchables, but after viewing this vid, I've fast changed my mind on that! I may possibly add a small two-way toggle switch for each pickup also, a volume bypass switch, for "Strobe Effect" type cutting in & out by just flicking the switch on & off, like on my Yamaha RGX1212S. Thanks HEAPS for your wiring info, you're a huge help. Cheers!
@BrejaToneWorks
@BrejaToneWorks 9 лет назад
***** Again - the caps will only come into play if you turn down your tone pots. If you leave them open, it won't matter what cap you're using. If you do want to really darken your tone via the tone pot, use a .047uF or even a .1uF cap (Whichever type is fine in this case). These will remove the most treble. It will get very 'boomy' but maybe that's what you're looking for. If not - move back up to the .022uF and see what she does for ya. You can use any cap you'd like with the JP wiring - again, they are not magic. They will remove the higher end of the signal. They impact your tone in a subtle way. Don't expect a massive tonal improvement by simple changing your caps. To be honest - changing pickups will have the most impact on your sound/tone. Best of luck. Don
@ITISolutions
@ITISolutions Год назад
Hi. I don't know if you'll see this, but can someone clarify a point for me?? If the pot is in it's "normal" position (pushed in, knob closest to the body), are A1/A2 and B1/B2 engaged or A2/A3 and B2/B3 engaged according to this wiring scheme? Thank You!
@kaufenalles6679
@kaufenalles6679 6 лет назад
Are the combinations @11:42 and beyond correct ? Why would both pickups be on if the selector switch is set to the Neck position ?
@tommybowling6234
@tommybowling6234 3 года назад
I think it runs them both in a series. I'm about to attempt this myself but the diagram that came with my kit is wired a little different. I'm really not to sure which I'm going to try.
@meriadocbrandybuck2868
@meriadocbrandybuck2868 2 года назад
Wondering if I could have a little further clarification regarding the diagram- I am using Bourne's pots and I am wondering as far as the numbering, are the 6 vertical terminals numbered as if I am holding the pot with shaft facing down, or are they numbered as if the shaft is facing up? Same with the 3 horizontal lugs too I suppose, as which way the shaft is facing would affect that as well.
@darrelpennington3489
@darrelpennington3489 8 лет назад
Great presentation, What is Mr.page's favorite tuning
@BrejaToneWorks
@BrejaToneWorks 8 лет назад
Not sure.
@fonzimendoza1979
@fonzimendoza1979 9 лет назад
Cut it off completely, just trying to make use of the stock switch provided specifically for split cool, don't want the split option any longer. Thanks
@BrejaToneWorks
@BrejaToneWorks 9 лет назад
Hey Fonzi - email me directly at BrejaToneWorks@gmail.com and I'll see if I can help.
@seankelly6139
@seankelly6139 3 года назад
I wired everything exactly how you showed it. Wiring the switch to those spots doesn't do anything but make the pickups sound the same as well as stopping the volume knobs from working. Do you know where I could have gone wrong in this
@stefftrim
@stefftrim 8 лет назад
Hi Breja Toneworks. I have a guitar been build to me last year - a tribute guitar made after single cut specs. I have 3 humbuckers, a 5 way switch and a kill switch ( actually it is a 3 way being used as kill switch) I´d love to really make a "tonemashine" out of this guitar. It is my boyhood dream. Would the Jimmy Page wiring be applicable to 3 pups? I still only have 2 vol and 2 tone pots? the way the 5 way is connected now is: Bridge; bridge- middle; middle; middle - neck; neck.I hope you and maybe others might find my question interesting enough to grab the challange sort of speak.Regards
@carlosborow
@carlosborow 8 лет назад
An awesome tutorial, thank you Breja for that. For a newbie, though, it is still unclear at times. For instance - you are grounding the same toggle switch to the same pot (N-vol) twice. Why?!!!! What am I getting wrong?
@BrejaToneWorks
@BrejaToneWorks 8 лет назад
Sorry - my annotations got removed. That's an mistaken extra wire. You can ignore the second one. I didn't realize it was in there till after I posted the video. I'll fix the annotations.
@carlosborow
@carlosborow 8 лет назад
Thanks for such a quick reply. Just comparing various Page mods over the web can give one a headache (after all, how can the same mod be wired in such different ways...?), so any extra piece of data that just 'does not compute' easily freaks me out. Is there any chance there are other repetitions in the scheme, or is it safe to copy now and pray for it to work? By the way, I stumbled upon a video called "Are Your Capacitors Installed Backwards?..." - do you have any indications on how to install the orange drops (.47 in my case) the right way, (eg. writings up, right wire goes to the tone or the opposite...)?
@micheletobia1993
@micheletobia1993 4 года назад
Hi! Thank you for this video! Could i ask you why at 4:30 you connect permanently the black and the green wire of the bridge pickup? The Black is the North coil start and the green is the south coil start, of you connect them the whole pickup will be shorted and silent. am I correct? Thank you! Mike
@micheletobia1993
@micheletobia1993 4 года назад
I understood, it is reversed with respect to the neck.
@pavlepaja7642
@pavlepaja7642 Год назад
Can i series/parallel/coil split with 2 push pull and 3 way switch ?
@dlor9211
@dlor9211 5 лет назад
I just finished this on my 2007 Epiphone Standard, and all the unique tones work. The problem is, the bridge pickup is only giving about half the output of the neck pickup. I'm pretty new to guitar electronics. Where should I start looking to find the issue? The pickups are the Duncan Whole Lotta Humbuckers, and they tested at appropriate resistances out of the box.
@8bitBarry1
@8bitBarry1 4 года назад
I am exactly the same - did you ever fix it? Everything looks 100% but the bridge is so weak
@8bitBarry1
@8bitBarry1 4 года назад
It was a switching issue in the three way switch
@HavendaleBlvd80
@HavendaleBlvd80 3 года назад
I love you simplified breakdowns man. This is ymdefinitely your calling. Well done. I have an sg I am rebuilding, with 2 coil splitting volume pots, and two tone pots. Do you have a wiring diagram for this project you could post a link for me on? I'd appreciate it.
@hipher
@hipher 4 года назад
I don't get it. According to the explaation in 11:32, with the 3-way switch in the Neck, and the neck volume pulled, I should get only 1 coil of the neck PUP. For that to happen, the black and green wires should be both grounded. There is none of the terminals in the Neck Vol switch going to ground. Either I'm bling after one hour drawing the electrical shcematics or the wiring diagram is messed up.
@georgeg4136
@georgeg4136 Год назад
Please, give as this wiring with Gibson - Epiphone pickups !
@nylesreynolds6035
@nylesreynolds6035 8 лет назад
Hi I am going to be doing this mod next week when the rest of the parts arrive but I have a quick question. I will be using some NOS Vintage Jensen Caps but I noticed these caps have one end painted red (+)?and one black (-)?. So which ends would go to which lugs? Will I be able to use these caps? Thanks. Love your videos. I have learned so much from them.
@BrejaToneWorks
@BrejaToneWorks 8 лет назад
+Nyles Reynolds Hey Nyles... I'm not sure what caps exactly you have but guitar caps don't have polarity meaning it won't matter positive or negative. Email me a pic of you caps at: brejatoneworks@gmail.com and I'll try to help ya.
@raxxtango
@raxxtango 8 лет назад
+Breja ToneWorks Usually, polarized capacitors would be used in DC applications while non-polarized in AC applications.There are advantages and disadvantages for both, like polarized capacitors have a higher leakage current and act as a short-circuit when connected the wrong way. Also have a lower frequency response, but they are smaller than non-polarized capacitors of the same capacitance. An old trick used in budget cross-overs is connecting 2 polarized capacitors back to back (- to - or + to +)
@nylesreynolds6035
@nylesreynolds6035 8 лет назад
Finished this the other night. Worked perfectly. Sounds amazing
@jonnyt8183
@jonnyt8183 5 лет назад
The outer or foil layer of the capacitor is negative and should be connected towards ground. Doesn’t always make a big difference but it is a difference and sometimes it is really noticeable.
@darrelpennington3489
@darrelpennington3489 8 лет назад
Great think , seriously ditto to response as well. Not to Be anal, your " presentation " was a lesson!!
@BrejaToneWorks
@BrejaToneWorks 8 лет назад
I hope that means you liked it.
@mortenskjerven7951
@mortenskjerven7951 7 лет назад
I'm just wondering. When the pot is pushed down (normal), is A2/B2 connected to A1/B1 or A3/B3.
@ckhcvd6211
@ckhcvd6211 9 лет назад
Nice tutorial...thanks, i've done this wiring and i have an issue, maybe? when i pull the neck tone up(all other pots down) with the bridge p.u. or the middle position selected, i get a kind of boost? the neck volume control controls both pickups, the bridge volume does not work at all. bridge tone does work, what is happening? i don't see a tone diagram for this from your 21 tone walk section of your video thanks for your time i am digging the tones i'm getting c
@seankelly6139
@seankelly6139 3 года назад
I have the same problem. The wiring harness is hooked up right except where the two wires from the switch don't work where he has them. I hooked them up to the volume pots and it still stop the volume from working. I tried hooking the wires up to the center lug and the split coil doesn't work. Did you find a fix for this. Please let me know if you have
@BeesWaxMinder
@BeesWaxMinder Год назад
anyone know how to do this without having to choose which coil to split? It all seems a bit of a Pfaff otherwise! I've just got a Les Paul style guitar (aria) which already has push pull coil taps (which sound surprisingly great!) And I just want a Series switch for in between position and phase for the middle too🤞 Cheers!
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