@ J K just an excuse for the first fake instructor to put his arm around a lovely lady ! lol yes this is much more practical not too much debate as to what's practical when your life in on the line .. imo of course be safe in your training ! !
Ever since I saw this video, I have been more confident in handling any situation against any bad guy or bad guys. One night I was in a really bad neighborhood, there were 5 guys all dressed in black walking behind me and getting closer. I immediately without hesitation took action and started running away from them to avoid hurting them.
These defenses take into consideration a person’s initial reaction to a choke. Very reasonable to use your initial reaction. Like he said, you only have 5-6 seconded before you lose consciousness. Unless you train to grab the crotch, it won’t be what you are going to do. You don’t rise to your expectations, but fall to your training.
5-6 seconds changes a lot in a fight or self defense which unfortunately mirror each other sometimes. Considering the speed of people and reaction times of other. A second or two can decide something like this. I agree. Train in it extensively. Know your body first and foremost. It will handle whatever comes if you train broad enough regularly. It becomes muscle memory. Not a thought but a natural reaction. No thinking or time is wasted, action vs opposite or equal reaction. Your muscles will remember this and react accordingly.
I understand the reason for the technique basics. In most street fight scenarios this is an attempt to submit from a novice. In that stand up RNC scenario my set up as the perpetrator is a knee up into the tail bone and the RNC is a "lift" of their body up onto that knee... breaking, or crushing the hyoid bone is as much a part of the goal as any "submission." BJJ, and similar arts with a competitive, not battlefield, mindset see a carotid artery (blood flow,) or trachea (air flow,) knock out finish. Defensively one must understand the physiological dangers of the RNC to fully appreciate the danger of the move and what must be protected. From a skilled attacker it's a fairly quick, open hand sentry kill... the back elbow strike works well when it's focus is to twisting it straight back into the armpit like you want it to connect with their heart- to break the smaller ribs in that area. Broken ribs make that arm unusable.
When possible, push or pull first in the opposite direction of the flip, which causes the choker to lean into the flip, helping you to flip him. In high school a friend who was taking judo spent 20 minutes teaching me a couple of throws. A year later a guy much bigger than me started a fight and I used one of those moves to put him down twice. This stuff definitely works on untrained attackers, and if perfectly executed, can work on trained attackers.
Thanks for this - you're right when atacker pulls the choke he's already pulling back - plus you're using a bigger guy than u so this also helps - tried this a few times - of course no guarantees but prolly one of the best defenses - thanks again!!
Tucking the chin keeps you breathing by opening the airway - tensing the neck muscles Leaning forward uses "hip pivot" to 'turn' opponent over Backing up to leverage the opponent over you - still uses "hip pivot" to 'turn' opponent over The sweep (or "hook") will always come after taking control of the opponent's grapple - but the "leg hook grapple" is a tool used in taking controls (mostly before) of the opponent's grapple The "spin around" is to take controls of the opponent's grapple - with a grapple... That sets up for the "hip pivot" _ "hook" _ "spin around"
If you practice these moves enough you may become proficient enough to try them out on Ricky who's gona make you look good every time. A better defense is stay home and watch videos.
Good stuff. Glad you showed people those non effective techniques. Sadly many videos out there like that. People have to be very careful learning the wrong methods of self defence. You need years and years of practice before you master the art of self defence. Training your mind and body from inside out. Once you are capable of defending your self effectively. Then you you start showing people how to defend them selfs. Hope those people who did those 2 videos will see their poor and dangerous self harming techniques.
It's BJJ (Brazilian Jiu Jitsu) and is used by every MMA fighter in every competition on the Planet Earth,it was invented by the Gracie family and this is one of their black belts if you think that you know or can do better please invent your own Martial Art like they did.Then publicise it around the world and get every single professional MMA fighter to use it 24/7 in every aspect of training and competitive fighting and only then can you comment and expect anyone to listen to you!
Grabbing the attacker's arm is not only the best defense, it's also the most instinctive, and instead of building upon this instinct, they try to untrain it and replace it with low success techniques. And good luck significantly hurting someone's feet when they are actually wearing shoes.
Its not HORRIBLE in principle. The Stomping on the foot. Just really bad for the rear naked Choke. if it was a Bear hug or grab around the waist from behind it is worth a shot since it is right in line. And if your gonna do it you gotta REALLY do it. No step. you lift your leg up and stomp with ALL you got. A few times. And maybe try to head but them in the nose or face if you can with the back of your head. The Stomp does not have a Super high effective rate. Steel toes. Or fairly good boots or just some one really focused or hyped up on drugs could shrug it off. But its mostly about interrupting the attack. Not flat out stopping it. And its easy. Fast and worth trying. If you interrupt the attack. I.E. Get the grip to lossen. Or get them to lean forward a little or just get them to pause. You can procced with something else. Or just Buy time while you scream your head off for help. In a survival Situation you use what you got. And it is a Cliche because it CAN work. JUST not so great for rear naked choke.
To be fair to the first technique, you were digging your chin into the forearm while in the referenced video the defender dug her chin into the crook of the elbow. Not sure how much more effective it would be, but I'm sure the middle of the forearm can take more pressure than the crook of the elbow. Your technique that you offered as an alternative was still superior though.
I once got out the attempted (never let them lock you) rear choke of a school bully (not a professional fighter) by instantly shifting my bottom and backfisting his groin.
I laughed so hard at that black guy getting owned by that girl. Your video was spot on. I wish there was a defense for when their legs are wrapped around you
Good stuff gentlemen. I have a concern about #3. If the guy knows what he's doing and has a solid lock on you it may be difficult to break that grip or slip it.
This video is great for its first half, by correctly pointing out the "defense" videos on internet do not work. The middle part is also solid, because the most effective defense is an overhead throw. However, the third part is too naive. If the attacker is able to reach the situation III, i.e., pull the victim back, it is very likely he is stronger than the victim and hence, the moves proposed in the video will NOT work. The right move is to turn to your left side(which is the attacker's weak side), NOT right side (which is the attacker's strong side), and try your best to break and escape. If you cannot break from his weak side, you are doomed anyway! No technique can save your from a much stronger attacker who have put a naked choke on you and you cannot even escape from his weak side.
Jiu Jitsu is more realistic for self defense such like a pencak silat. this martial art can we improved from traditional technic to be a self defense technic. Salute..!!!
One more point, when you lower your chin and use your hands to pull his choke hand, open your mouth and bite his forearm as strong as you ever can.. don't leave keep biting till he bleed and you cut his artery vein.. remember jaws have brutal bite force.. with canine teeth piercing his skin, the offender will try to take his forearm from you.. that's when the same hand will have his fingers loosen, use both your hands and break anyone finger bone completely.. the offender cannot use his 1 hand even to touch you because of fracture in bone.. then you run.. report to police.. if police catch him, they find your bite mark in his forearm and arrest him easily..
also biting a arterie out in 5-8 seconds is hard enough not counting your windpipe getting crushed so if you open jaw 2-3 seconds before your windpipe is destroyed
I was always told moving your head towards the attackers elbow is the worst thing you can do? By moving your neck into the 'triangle' of someone's bent elbow you are then offering your jugular vein AND carotid at the same time. Where as hooking your hands up to create space then moving your head towards the attackers hands you are only exposing the jugular. Of course you have to be bloody quick and move as soon as the arms touch your neck otherwise you are in the shit either way. If I'm wrong, I would be glad to hear different. We are all learners.
Having a rear naked applied means ur in deep sht.... but 1 way out (with hard practice) is getting ur chin in the elbow "V" whilst pushing up with ur hands. This is NOT pushing their arm further into ur throat/neck. It's pushing their arm up ur face. Done successfully u end up in a nice arm break position. And, yes, the chokes were applied with intent, and with the element of surprise.
end up with a very sore neck.. but worth the practice. Most street attackers aren't trained in martial arts... and mostly they'll be bigger than their victims.. because thats the nature of the way they choose their victims.. so I'd say this is the most common likely attack.
The foot stomp worked very well for, the only time i was victim of an attempt robbery. And i say attempt, because i footed the prick so hard, that he fell on the Ground, almost crying in pain. I was with doc martens combat boots. To be honest, i think that i might have broken something on the POS foot. And i was so furious with that situations (Who have been trough a similar situation, knows What i meen) that i stomp into his right hand also, and also i think that i might have broken, 2,3 fingers, for his reaction, i dont know. Call it revenge, or Whatever, but at the time, i thought that the prick deserved. I dont regret that i did that.
Thank you for this post. The one ting that many people fail to take into consideration is the level of skill and experience the attacker has. I try to keep everything simple, direct and to the point I never totally dismiss anything (unless it is obvious it is total shit ex: no touch knock out etc) however be aware that there is a big difference between levels of proven effectiveness and battle testing. Always go with what the battle tested experts in that field of training suggest and practice it till you have exhausted any and all possibilities. Osu
what most people don't know is you can be choked out or more correctly have your breathing restricted by having pressure placed on your chin with a forearm
real "choke-out" is not breathing but blood flow restriction. Preventing breathing would allow you fight for at least another minute. Shutting down blood flow to your head stops in in a few seconds.
Great video. Great technique. I have always thought the large black fella showing the chin in the arm defense to be the worst of the worst of self-defense videos.
What that video expects will happen with the proper application of the chin-poke attack: "Ouch! Jeez, that hurt! Sorry, I'll go attack someone else." And then you think of what a real attack might be like, by a crazed or determined assailant...
nah, all these defenses work well, marco moreno is a legit black belt in BJJ and has more submission grappling and wrestling knowledge in his little finger than you will ever have in your entire life. You're just some dude who got caught off guard and didn't know what to do. I assure you that you need to train and take some BJJ classes before you talk shit
@@Quoxozist you mean the same way you talk shit about wrestlers and yet you seem to know nothing about even the most basic principles of balance and agility?
Standing rear naked chokes are easy to get out of. On the ground way different story. Most people will try to move forward when getting rear naked choked. Grab the attackers fore arm with boths hands. Lean forward. Depends on the side of the choke but let’s say there left arm is around your neck. Take you left foot and place it behind the attackers right foot the farther the better. While still holding the firearm turn your body into their body. Ow the choke is not a threat. If you can at this point you can pick your opponent up and slam them to the ground. As soon as you pick them up their grip will probably release to break there fall. If you can’t pick them up groin shot. Not to the balls but hit below the belt above the penis. They will let go. I’ve tried this countless times with friends. It’s always worked. Now I have them try and choke me as best and hard as they can. That lean forward then step back worked every time. I learned this from my uncle who has been practicing martial arts now for 50 years.
Saw that technique in another video and tried it but it didn’t work for me. I tried having my brother choke my neck. I could barely move his arm or turn my body around to break free. If I press my neck trying to push forward, I choke myself. My brother is not even a buff guy. My conclusion is every defense needs to be done before the choke is fully applied. Once he has time to tighten the choke, it’s over.
In the ring yeah it's hard to get out of. If you're somewhat worried that you have to study these things for non-combat sport defense, you're better off carrying something you can conceal and placed on your body where you can easily grab it even when choked from behind. Unless they have the disposition of not being able to feel pain, a deep stab and then a slicing motion on the arm they're using to choke you will easily weaken. The only other thing involve is being able to react calmly when the choke happens, which doesn't matter whether you have training or not. Even people with training for combat sports flinch when it happens out of nowhere when they're not in "fight mode"
Play the dirty way, grab between the legs, no matter man or woman, squeeze it to hell, they are bound to let go, still not guaranteed. Might also try grabbing fingers depending on how what position you are. Since I come from Krav Maga but train BJJ nowadays my most thoughts are usually going for the face, scratching eyes or smth but of course you don't do that in Jiu Jitsu. I find both very useful especially when combined together, it gives a great understanding and knowledge of such situations.
@@Gigakiller1 might not have time or ability to reach the target area.. try and fail.. then you'd be asleep before can do anything else. Have to regain control of the situation.
lol, having been choked out many years ago by a random person I barely knew at a place I worked (I thought he was joking around) then things started to darken, I tried the elbow, foot-stomp, and a rear head-butt (rather than a pointless elbow), by then it was too late and I was done. After work we fought, luckily I dropped him with a spinning side kick to the solar plexus (he was much larger than me and knew how to grapple so otherwise I'd have been toast).
Questions: 1. Why does Ricky let go of his left arm, exactly, in the final demonstrations? "choke me for real" - doesn't look like he's resisting. 2. Why doesn't Ricky put his right hand in the crook of the left elbow, and then his left hand on the back of the coach's head? I'd really like to see how you're supposed to get out of that. No offense, but after saying that other tricks are not effective (and I agree, they are not), you really should demonstrate the technique with the "aggressor" not following along and allowing the "victim" do whatever they want. It is the usual problem with this type of videos.
1. Ricky is using his left arm to break his fall, that's all. 2. Untrained attackers do not know how to do a proper rear naked choke (which is what you're describing). Untrained people will typically just headlock you from behind, not seal up the choke itself.
Nice theory !;) The choke you escape is not closed and technically not perfect! Surely you can escape incorrectly set chokes in the training center but no really technically clean choke is once properly set; (The triangle on the elbow is not closed, that is not a choke.) Now imagine a technically clean placed RNC, I give you exactly 2-5sec without panic time included and you are powerless! At 5:58 your training partner is praying with his hands but he dont choke you again!^^
Your right but if his arms are cutting your windpipe off.. your in trouble.. you gotta grab the attacker like the guy in the video does... Sensei chess
If someone jumps on your back and chokes you from behind (backpack position), is it a good idea to fall on your back onto him possibly hitting his head on the ground? Or is it better to bend over and try to unload him infront of you?
That extra weight on your back won't make it easy for you to fall back. Also, even if you manage to fall back and somehow he manages to hold on, he gets you into rear choke lying below you. At that point, you are simply doomed as no more leverage is available to be used. Unless you are super strong and super technical at the same time, you are likely to get blacked out. Better throw him over your head in the first place to have maximum chances!
You go to sleep. Not being a smart ass, but if you are caught in a rear naked fully by someone that knows what they are doing, even smaller than you, it's likely lights out. Struggle, fight, but you are going to sleep. If you really want to get trained find a proper school not one of these ridiculous self defense classes telling you how to take a knife from a person or how to take out 2 guys as a woman. Find someone with MMA training, BJJ training, Judo, the more the merrier, and train there, definitely don't look for advice in a comment section on something as serious as your life. If their first advice isn't "run the other way" they are probably full of @#$. The schools are usually a lot of fun with great people, you will enjoy it and get healthier and more confident in yourself in the process.
The defense for any choke hold? Don't get in it. As said by Brad once they get you in one - well you have 5 seconds to try to get out. You practice because figuring it out while being choked is a bad idea.
"The Way of the Samurai is found in death. When it comes to either/or, there is only the quick choice of death. It is not particularly difficult. Be determined and advance."
I don't get why in every self defense video The opponent goes weak or soft when they try to do some self defence techniques I mean man you all should make videos based on what can actually happen in real life It's a really serious matter
One time at bjj school I asked a fellow white belt guy to let me practice rear naked chokes on him and he became very hostile. He stopped talking to me until he saw what I meant. Funny joke though haha :)
After how my week started this video just made it a lot better. Several of my new students came into my dojo(before they were my students) and put up quite the ego because they trained with each other using RU-vid videos before they decided to try to join my dojo. They tried to push around my White Belts until I came out of the office when I realized what happened. I remained calm and addressed them in a courteous manner(more to keep myself calm than anything else) asking them what their story was: what about martial arts interests you, why are you interested in this particular style, what do you plan on taking from what you'd learn here, why are you so confident in your ability when none of you have any form of formal training....you know the necessary questions(btw I apologize for this rant, there IS actually a point lol). After hearing them out, I thought about it and decided to see what they could really do. My style is a Japanese Jiu-Jitsu style, it's pretty combative in nature, which is why we use three different methods of sparring. One of those methods is minimal rules MMA(basically no dirty fighting techniques or anything that would cause immediate serious injury, everything else goes) I put these young men in that style of sparring and matched them up with some of my third and second Kyu students. I mean if they knew some black belt level stuff, then it should even out, right? Yeah….no....it was a massacre. These guys made all kinds of rookie mistakes, though every once in awhile they pulled off something that was actually really solid technique. One of them was a lot better than the rest of his friends, could've easily passed for actual training(I found out later that he was using an old outdated Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt course instructional set of his uncle's for the majority of his training). I noticed he seemed to favor grappling, so I decided to freestyle roll with him to see how much he really knew and how he'd react under pressure, especially when dealing with techniques he was un familiar with and didn't know how to counter. Long story short he wasn't half bad, but he cracked under pressure really fast when I started using stuff that wasn't really common to Japanese or Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. My Judo/Sambo groundwork completely messed with him. We stopped rolling when it was clear he lost his drive. This guy, nineteen, fresh out of high school, and thinking he owns the world, was wrecked. Tears in his eyes, expression making it clear he felt humiliated. I almost felt bad for pushing him, but I had to assess his abilities and temperament. After all that I sat down with these guys, had all my students take a break and join us. I basically had all my students tell their own stories to these guys; like why they came to my dojo, what they had originally thought about my style before they experienced it versus their perspectives on it now, and what they took from their experiences in my classes. It was like a huge wake-up call for these young men. ANYWAY, finally to the purpose of this story, After a long talk, I decided to let these young men train in my dojo. It wasn't easy to get them to start from scratch and relearn everything from the beginning. RU-vid martial arts has made an appearance in my dojo pretty much once or twice a week for the past four months. This video is an excellent example of how people shouldn't be relying so heavily on this site for their instruction. Many of the techniques they'd learn on this site, when applied in a real world situation, often either don't work or make your situation even worse. I'm always going rounds with my newbes on this subject. I told them if they could ever beat me in a full contact freestyle spar, then I would admit I was wrong and stop pestering them over where they picked up whatever new random technique they brought to the dojo that week. Kudoes to anyone and everyone who actually took the time to read all this. Just sharing a fairly recent experience and how it relates to this video. My apologies to anyone who fell asleep half way through lol.
That is certainly true lol. I just gets me sometimes cause I remember myself at that age. Sometimes, for a life lesson to really sink in, it has to hurt. You have to really feel it to get it. We've all had life teach us some of those lessons.
This is true in a lot more fields than MA. Aside from my constant interest and on and off training in MA for the last 30yrs (8yrs solid training and the rest fitted in to the realities of working and raising kids), i'm also a chef. I find that a lot of kids think that YT will teach them enough or everything they need to know about cooking... professional cooking though, needs actual experience and cannot be learnt watching clips. In the same way, one may learn a lot about MA in YT, but combat requires proper training to be effective in.
Nice rant read the whole thing. I supplement my bjj schoolwith youtube videos but I evaluate if the instructors are shit or legit. I try the techniques and see what works. Sometimes I get gold stuff that way but from legit instructors. It can potentially be very dangerous to do dynamic body weight techniques live where you don't know the consequences. That is the main danger. But for sure you can learn a lot from legit video instruction. The other danger is people who can't distinguish legit from crap techniques. Another danger is that people will kill or injure other people by accident using legit techniques before they understand what will happen. Another problem is irresponsible people getting powerful techniques. Thanks for nice comment on this nice video. :)
